Just now, TedG said:

You posted the wrong graphic.  Look again 

I assumed you were talking about taxation since you have repeatedly made false claims about how much income was generated by taxation. I could certainly produce a graph that showed spending has often exceeded 18% of gdp.

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

I assumed you were talking about taxation since you have repeatedly made false claims about how much income was generated by taxation. I could certainly produce a graph that showed spending has often exceeded 18% of gdp.

I’m not making any false claims.

Just now, TedG said:

I’m not making any false claims.

You claimed that "sending" as a percentage of gdp never exceeded 18%? What did you mean by "sending"?

Just now, Alan Zweibel said:

You claimed that "sending" as a percentage of gdp never exceeded 18%? What did you mean by "sending"?

You once posted a graphic and mixed up revenue with spending.  During the last budget surplus spending was at 18% of the GDP.  Revenue has never passed the 20 percentage mark.  The average is 19%.   The federal government is now spending at 23 percent of the GDP, which is driven by social programs.

On 11/5/2025 at 9:15 AM, Hanaguma said:

Big surprise...Democrats win in a blue state in an off year.  

 

Obviously they aren't ready to vote for an immigrant woman of color.  

Not surprising that you don't understand the significance of margins.

33 minutes ago, TedG said:

You once posted a graphic and mixed up revenue with spending.  During the last budget surplus spending was at 18% of the GDP.  Revenue has never passed the 20 percentage mark.  The average is 19%.   The federal government is now spending at 23 percent of the GDP, which is driven by social programs.

Outlays is spending.  2019 and 2020 were the years of the budget surplus. In both those years spending exceeded 20%.

3 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Outlays is spending.  2019 and 2020 were the years of the budget surplus. In both those years spending exceeded 20%.

Wow

22 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Not surprising that you don't understand the significance of margins.

You can't even work out which elections matter.

On 11/5/2025 at 9:40 AM, Wingate said:

I wonder what the Trumpian spin will be if Prop 50 passes?

And it passes.  The voice of the electorate speaks. 

Hold on to your horses.  Nov 4th 2026 - the day after Mid-terms - should be a fun ride.

12 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Outlays is spending.  2019 and 2020 were the years of the budget surplus. In both those years spending exceeded 20%.

And that space between outlays and revenues is DEBT.  Why the US can spend like a drunken sailor is beyond me.  But both parties do in and neither party shows any signs of imposing fiscal restraint.  And at the end of the day, the American people as a whole never benefit from the deficit spending.  Every year, it's more difficult for the average person, especially American youth (18 to 35) to gain even a toe-hold of traction is experiencing the now fabled American Dream.  

7 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Outlays is spending.  2019 and 2020 were the years of the budget surplus. In both those years spending exceeded 20%.

    you mean 1999 and 2000    
 

 

  Spending as a percentage of GDP    Revenue 
1999. 17.5%.                                             19.5%
2000.  17.6%.                                            20%

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56 minutes ago, TedG said:

You once posted a graphic and mixed up revenue with spending.  During the last budget surplus spending was at 18% of the GDP.  Revenue has never passed the 20 percentage mark.  The average is 19%.   The federal government is now spending at 23 percent of the GDP, which is driven by social programs.

Both parties are bad.

8 minutes ago, connda said:

And that space between outlays and revenues is DEBT.  Why the US can spend like a drunken sailor is beyond me.  But both parties do in and neither party shows any signs of imposing fiscal restraint.  And at the end of the day, the American people as a whole never benefit from the deficit spending.  Every year, it's more difficult for the average person, especially American youth (18 to 35) to gain even a toe-hold of traction is experiencing the now fabled American Dream.  

Yes war machine etc. I never see a lefty criticise the Dems though.

32 minutes ago, TedG said:

    you mean 1999 and 2000    
 

 

  Spending as a percentage of GDP    Revenue 
1999. 17.5%.                                             19.5%
2000.  17.6%.                                            20%

You're correct. My error. Thanks for the correction.

1 hour ago, TedG said:

Will the Dems government shutdown lower the Q4 GDP number?

Good question. That's possible.

 

It's not been factored in the previous GDP growth forecasts.