On 11/9/2025 at 8:03 PM, Somjot said:

 

Why are you intentionally misinterpreting me?

 

I have no problem with Jews or a Jewish homeland and I fully understand why it was created not in Canada or Africa but in the place, with which Jews have a religious and spiritual connection.

 

But Israel denies others the same rights it demands for itself.

 

Because others have developed a spiritual connection to that land too, aka Christians and Muslims, the first are regularly spat on and the latter treated as second class humans by law and sometimes killed.

 

And much more important others have lived there for centuries and many generations and Israel thinks it has the right to kick them out while some redhaired man from Omaha with funny braids has the right to return and to kill Palestinians.

.

 

 

This Israeli had no right to do that.

 

Where is your criticism for that?

 

It is you who denies Palestinians the right to exist by supporting a country which has done everything to avoid a Palestinian state, has stolen their land and if like recently Western countries recognize Palestine Israeli politicians smirk and say 

 

"Recognize what? There is nothing to recognize there anymore."

 

So once again:

 

Israel as a modern democracy with equal rights for everybody and after giving back the stolen land: YES

 

Israel as an apartheid state with different laws for it`s citizens a military law for the stolen areas: NO

 

Do you think Palestine has a right to exist?

@Jingthing I'd like to see your reply to this.

20 minutes ago, JimCM said:

@Jingthing I'd like to see your reply to this.

 

prolly time for those Palestini to leave , maybe go Sweden or Belgium where they are wanted.

 

 

Just now, NickyLouie said:

 

prolly time for those Palestini to leave , maybe go Sweden or Belgium where they are wanted.

 

 

What a stupid thing to say, are you actually justifying ethnic cleansing?

 

1 minute ago, JimCM said:

What a stupid thing to say, are you actually justifying ethnic cleansing?

 

 

it's called the removal of terrorists, don't use BS terminology  

On 11/9/2025 at 6:38 PM, Somjot said:

I really don`t understand on what their claim for the whole area is based and why they insist on their ethno state.

 

Their claim is based on greed and racism.

34 minutes ago, JimCM said:

What a stupid thing to say, are you actually justifying ethnic cleansing?

 

 

   They cannot live together side by side .

One side needs to be removed .

Its the only way to have a  peaceful future 

On 11/9/2025 at 2:37 PM, save the frogs said:

 

"Developed a spiritual connection to the land" is so abstract that it is debatable as to how valid this concept is.

 

Why are so many Jewish people thriving in the US and other countries? Because of "spiritual connection"?

A lot of people on here hate their home countries.

Why did you relocate to Thailand? Spiritual connection? 

 

If your Bible tells you that land is yours, maybe ... but then who wrote the Bible? 

 

 

 

Abraham was a Chaldean or Canaanite and he was born in the city of Ur, Mesopotamia, nowadays Iraq.

 

Biblical Jews and nowadays Zionists are two complete different entities.

3 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Biblical Jews and nowadays Zionists are two complete different entities.

 

   Two different things .

Jewish is about Religion 

Zionism is about Geography .

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

Their claim is based on greed and racism.

More like the ideology of the origins of Zionism (which was POLITICAL) is believing in the need for a national homeland for the Jewish people for the survival of a Jewish people. A people with a VERY TINY population in the world who have experienced persecution for thousands of years in the diaspora. I'm not suggesting that you or anyone else AGREE with that ideology. I am suggesting that you should stop lying about what the ideology is based on. 

On 11/9/2025 at 8:03 PM, Somjot said:

 

,,,

 

Do you think Palestine has a right to exist?

I didn't answer before because I considered it yet another troll bait question.

But I think someone else asked, so here goes. It is not a yes/no thing, as explained below.

I have stated my opposition to Netanyahu and far right Israeli politicians' countless times over the years.

I have been in favor of a two state solution since I was a little boy learning about the conflict.

HOWEVER, the way things have developed over the decades, it's become more clear that just supporting a two state solution isn't nearly enough. Talking about the west bank settlements but many other things that have happened as well. 

There is no trust between vast majorities on both sides.

Israel even if they had the political will to expel the west bank settlers, would not accept this without very robust security guarantees and that would mean control over the Arab state government that would not be acceptable to any sovereign state.

I do understand the reasons that many nations are now recognizing the State of Palestine before it is anything actually viable.

I understand that they think they're helping and that they're punishing the Israelis.

That's debatable.

But back to reality on the ground -- A Palestinian state won't ever be viable unless it involves Israel recognizing it as well. We're very far from that.

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

A Palestinian state won't ever be viable unless it involves Israel recognizing it as well.

So up to the Israelis and not the second class Palestinians.

That seems to be the consensus amongst you lot.

7 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

So up to the Israelis and not the second class Palestinians.

That seems to be the consensus amongst you lot.

 

It has always been 'up to' the Palestinians. They, or the terrorist organisations that represent them, have rejected it every time even though they have been offered more and more land each time. They will accept nothing less than a Muslim caliphate from the river to the sea.

49 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

So up to the Israelis and not the second class Palestinians.

That seems to be the consensus amongst you lot.

You lot?

There you go again with your hateful Jews are a monolith idiocy.

I didn't say the situation.was just.

I only stated the realpolitik on the ground as it has historically developed.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You lot?

There you go again with your hateful Jews are a monolith idiocy.

I didn't say the situation.was just.

I only stated the realpolitik on the ground as it has historically developed.

In answering the question, you omitted the part about having the right.

"Do you think Palestine has a right to exist?"

 

I agree with you that at the moment a 2 state solution is not possible.

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

In answering the question, you omitted the part about having the right.

"Do you think Palestine has a right to exist?"

 

I agree with you that at the moment a 2 state solution is not possible.

It's an irrelevant loaded question.

Israel exists as a sovereign state and as any sovereign state has the right to exist.

The Arabs in the region aspire to a sovereign state but probably a majority want that state to include all of Israel. 

They have a right of course to move towards a separate state.

They don't have a right to abolish Israel.

Consider the Kurds. I support their aspirations to have a Kurdistan nation. But as realpolitik stands they dont literally have a right to that.

38 minutes ago, stevenl said:

"Do you think Palestine has a right to exist?"

 

Define 'Palestine' and 'Palestinian'

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

The Arabs in the region aspire to a sovereign state but probably a majority want that state to include all of Israel. 

Imo, the only way this statement can be taken is as a 'no' to the question posed.

 

"Do you think Palestine has a right to exist?"

46 minutes ago, GanDoonToonPet said:

 

Define 'Palestine' and 'Palestinian'

 

Palestine : the complete region that Israel took illegally from the Palestinians

 

Palestinians : original and historical sedentary and nomadic people from the region that I described above.

Their DNA can be traced back to the region flawlessly.

5 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Palestinians : original and historical sedentary and nomadic people from the region that I described above.

Their DNA can be traced back to the region flawlessly

 

So all the Jews and Arabs that live there now?

 

6 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Palestine : the complete region that Israel took illegally from the Palestinians

 

Moot point according to the above. Can't steal what is yours.

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Imo, the only way this statement can be taken is as a 'no' to the question posed.

 

"Do you think Palestine has a right to exist?"

Simple minded knee perk idiocy.

I answered the question thoroughly.

On 11/9/2025 at 8:03 PM, Somjot said:

 

Why are you intentionally misinterpreting me?

 

I have no problem with Jews or a Jewish homeland and I fully understand why it was created not in Canada or Africa but in the place, with which Jews have a religious and spiritual connection.

 

But Israel denies others the same rights it demands for itself.

 

Because others have developed a spiritual connection to that land too, aka Christians and Muslims, the first are regularly spat on and the latter treated as second class humans by law and sometimes killed.

 

And much more important others have lived there for centuries and many generations and Israel thinks it has the right to kick them out while some redhaired man from Omaha with funny braids has the right to return and to kill Palestinians.

.

 

 

This Israeli had no right to do that.

 

Where is your criticism for that?

 

It is you who denies Palestinians the right to exist by supporting a country which has done everything to avoid a Palestinian state, has stolen their land and if like recently Western countries recognize Palestine Israeli politicians smirk and say 

 

"Recognize what? There is nothing to recognize there anymore."

 

So once again:

 

Israel as a modern democracy with equal rights for everybody and after giving back the stolen land: YES

 

Israel as an apartheid state with different laws for it`s citizens a military law for the stolen areas: NO

 

Do you think Palestine has a right to exist?

You seem to forget that Israel has made genuine efforts in the past to create a two-state solution — for example, during the leadership of Yitzhak Rabin. It’s important to remember that at that time, most Israelis truly believed in the possibility of a peaceful and lasting coexistence with the Palestinians.

 

So what happened to those very same Israelis? Did they suddenly turn into murderers of women and children — into bloodthirsty racists and religious fanatics? Or is it perhaps that the Israeli people came to realize they have no real partner for peace in this region — that instead of a partner, they face those who seek the total expulsion of Jews living on this land?

 

It’s so easy, sitting somewhere in Chiang Mai, to speak lightly about how simple peace would be, and to accuse the warring sides of primitiveness or narrow-mindedness. Yet the real problem here lies in the inability — or unwillingness — of distant observers to grasp the harsh reality of this region. And this is definitely not about some distant history; appealing to the past is, in fact, just another crude misconception.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Simple minded knee perk idiocy.

I answered the question thoroughly.

You avoided it fine.