3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Did anyone put you in jail?

Why are you making false persecution claims? 

 

Have you forgotten the Canadian truckers?  They arrested hundreds of them.  Closed their bank accounts.

 

4 hours ago, transam said:

 

In the UK we have the NHS, we don't pay for care, it is free, provided by national insurance and taxes.

 

Doctors carry the instruments they need to do their job at NHS hospitals, they get paid a wage.

 

Your agenda is now scraping the barrel, it is no wonder you were thrown out of medical school, you're nuts. 🤫

The NHS is paid for by tax payers. As you rightly say; by national insurance.

 

"Doctors carry the instruments they need,,,'' Even when they are making promotional vids?

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

"Doctors carry the instruments they need,,,'' Even when they are making promotional vids?

 

Yup.  It adds credibility.

 

3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The NHS is paid for by tax payers. As you rightly say; by national insurance.

 

"Doctors carry the instruments they need,,,'' Even when they are making promotional vids?

And why not, not everyone is a stereotype like you with a chip on their shoulder. Doctors spend years at uni learning how to heal folk, you got tost out, it is you who should look in the mirror as to how your planned life collapsed, not poke your finger at those who made it AND now save lives....🤫

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Yup.  It adds credibility.

 

As most did back then, me too........😉

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Doctors spend years at uni learning how to heal folk,

They spend years training on what big Pharma drugs to give to some poor sod who is probably sickly due to taking their toxic junk in the first place.

 

",,,heal folk." Off to the joke section with you Sir.

7 minutes ago, transam said:

As most did back then, me too........

 

It's a perfect example of how big money can hijack the science.  And for years, if not decades.

 

Sound familiar?

 

Just now, impulse said:

 

It's a perfect example of how big money can hijack the science.  And for years, if not decades.

 

Sound familiar?

 

Sorry, try again..........🤫

13 minutes ago, transam said:

Sorry, try again..........

 

Watch 1999's  "The Insider".

 

Then recall that old chestnut: "History may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme." 

 

Money corrupted the science back then, and it still does.

29 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Yup.  It adds credibility.

 

27 minutes ago, transam said:

As most did back then, me too........😉

 

 

Difference is that you have ZERO credibility with your always deriding and obnoxious post on this sub-forum.  

30 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

It's a perfect example of how big money can hijack the science.  And for years, if not decades.

 

Sound familiar?

 

 

Some doctors have a lot more integrity than others.

 

Some are only interested in money and will cut corners to make as much as possible, but not all. 

 

Same goes for vaccines. The guy who invented the Polio vaccine probably wasn't even driven by money. Even though the local Big Pharma rep might be driven only by money. 

 

And ... which industry isn't corrupt? 

 

 

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Watch 1999's  "The Insider".

 

Then recall that old chestnut: "History may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme." 

 

Money corrupted the science back then, and it still does.

Watch a film.................😂

Now come on, show me anyone that doesn't want to make money on anything they have created. You were having a pop about smoking, I think you should do some research when smoking for pleasure actually started....🤭

 

Yes, in later years manufacturers made money, but the big moneymakers were government taxes, but in some countries ciggs can still be bought for peanuts.

 

Tell me what you don't buy because someone is making money........?   

Did you make money in your career life.............................

9 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Difference is that you have ZERO credibility with your always deriding and obnoxious post on this sub-forum.  

Sunbeam, it is YOU that has absolutely any credibility, nothing, YOU have a deranged crazy agenda, where I reckon if you have a problem will be crying for help from the ones you trash ....🤕

 

For which you do NEED help, now..........😬

11 minutes ago, transam said:

Watch a film.................

 

It's a lot more entertaining than reading the Waxman Hearing transcripts and reading hundreds of pages about how tobacco money perverted the science, squelched unfavorable studies and used their advertising money to keep the media from reporting on the damage done by their product.

 

Which sounds kinda déjà vu adjacent.  Only this time, it's Big Pharma instead of Big Tobacco.

 

And if you think it's not happening, you're being naive.

 

40 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

It's a lot more entertaining than reading the Waxman Hearing transcripts and reading hundreds of pages about how tobacco money perverted the science, squelched unfavorable studies and used their advertising money to keep the media from reporting on the damage done by their product.

 

Which sounds kinda déjà vu adjacent.  Only this time, it's Big Pharma instead of Big Tobacco.

 

And if you think it's not happening, you're being naive.

 

So you don't buy anything that is making money...............😂

And don't chop up my posts, please, and I bet you and Dr.Mump and Red don't moan about paying for Viagra or similar, eh...........

6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Then you wonder why they might want to censor you? They haven't censored you, though have they? 

 

Where were you in 2021 and 2022? I received about ten of the below (this one from May 2022), what do you call this if it isn't censorship?

 

 

6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I notice you guys always back each other up, even when making false statements. Like a good little cult. 

 

I explained how it works to you before, here is a friendly reminder, from the Béchamp vs. Pasteur thread:

 

 

 

6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

You're not as much interested in truthful statements

 

Oh yes I am, the truth is my only compass and I will go wherever it takes me, from the most mundane to the most controversial places.

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

sorry, maybe I missed your point.

I have 100 tabs open at the same time.

Multi-tasking is not recommended. 

 

 

read slowly .   try to understand the "context" .....  thank you .

and you might answer slowly as well,  unless you are trying to compete for most one line comments in a day .    you stated before that you don't have time to read indepth stuff.    Those videos that rattlesnake posted are great as they are with easy language that even you should be able to follow .

Just a suggestion 

 

23 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

At the same time, I do not expect an influenza or COVID vaccine to provide absolute protection. I understand that its purpose is to improve my odds - reducing the likelihood of a miserable week or worse when exposed to a viral load greater than my body is prepared to handle, or when encountering a strain my immune system has not yet learned to dismiss efficiently. If it does that, then it has done its job - there is nuance that the Anti-vaxxers refuse to see.

 

The flu vaccine is not at the core of the issue. The real issue is childhood vaccinations, their safety alerts which have been demonstrably buried and the fact that they remain mandatory in a lot of countries.

 

23 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

The pharmaceutical industry is also undeniably profit-driven, and while many view that as inherently unethical, it remains the 'least bad' of all available systems. Outside of warfare, where necessity is the mother of invention, profit is the father of invention in medicine. That reality does not excuse excesses or misconduct, but it does explain innovation. Precisely because profit distorts incentives, independent oversight is not optional - it is essential and I agree with those demanding it - but not with the distribution of lies and misinformation - independent oversight should be there because it 'should be there'.

 

It isn't solely profit-driven, its stakeholders behave as a cartel and an oligopoly, with questionable and oversight-free reach and influence over every instance and body governing public health.

Take the recent footage published by ICAN, in which prominent vaccinologist Dr. Zervos is seen validating a study showing concerning data on chronic illnesses among vaccinated children, but claiming that publishing it would end his career and that therefore he will do nothing about it.

I think anyone with a modicum of reason will agree that a system such as this one, in which physicians and scientists will self-censor and go against their conscience through fear of retaliation, has to be deeply overhauled.

2 hours ago, transam said:

Sunbeam, it is YOU that has absolutely any credibility, nothing, YOU have a deranged crazy agenda, where I reckon if you have a problem will be crying for help from the ones you trash ....🤕

 

For which you do NEED help, now..........😬

Why are you shooting the messenger Sir?

 

Red is bringing important info to us all. He is trying to help humanity, by suggesting they do their own research. Thus be better informed, than blindly listening to white-coats that do not have the populaces' best interests at heart. Is that wrong?

11 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The flu vaccine is not at the core of the issue. The real issue is childhood vaccinations, their safety alerts which have been demonstrably buried and the fact that they remain mandatory in a lot of countries.

 

 

It isn't solely profit-driven, its stakeholders behave as a cartel and an oligopoly, with questionable and oversight-free reach and influence over every instance and body governing public health.

Take the recent footage published by ICAN, in which prominent vaccinologist Dr. Zervos is seen validating a study showing concerning data on chronic illnesses among vaccinated children, but claiming that publishing it would end his career and that therefore he will do nothing about it.

I think anyone with a modicum of reason will agree that a system such as this one, in which physicians and scientists will self-censor and go against their conscience through fear of retaliation, has to be deeply overhauled.

 

I have pointed that out ,  with examples, more than a few times.  Here and on other threads .    He just isn't interested.   Head in the sand , and he ain't budging .     Same response to all the great info being presented here.

 

Be prepared for more personal attacks ( well, more so against me, cause i don't play his game.   I stick with the obvious truths, not the paid for ones) .

 

The "game" ....... is accusing others of being nuts and so obviously their opinions are proven false by any sane (paid for)  source.

just BS ..... a well-used tactic in the arsenal of the PTB

23 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I do not expect an influenza or COVID vaccine to provide absolute protection.

For someone who insists on scientific proof; you write the above nonsense?

 

There is no evidence that the two vaxxes you state (above) have given the unfortunate jabbed person any protection. In fact, there cannot be protection. You see Sir, COVID - called the rebranded flu by Dr Vernon Coleman - in not a disease.

 

Personally, I don't think there is such a thing as COVID. I go with Dr Coleman on that. But the flu is certainly evident. Even then, the flu, is not a disease. It is the name given to a set of symptoms. Caused by? Could be any number of things; that I've stated many times on the AN platform.

 

Going back to what you posted. How can there be a vaccine to stop something that don't exist? Some science-based poster you are tuning out to be Richard.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

4 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

I have pointed that out ,  with examples, more than a few times.  Here and on other threads .    He just isn't interested.   Head in the sand , and he ain't budging .     Same response to all the great info being presented here.

 

Be prepared for more personal attacks ( well, more so against me, cause i don't play his game.   I stick with the obvious truths, not the paid for ones) .

 

The "game" ....... is accusing others of being nuts and so obviously their opinions are proven false by any sane (paid for)  source.

just BS ..... a well-used tactic in the arsenal of the PTB

 

True, the environment is treacherous and the cards are stacked in favour of one side of the debate… but the cracks are widening in the wall of lies and deception and I truly believe we are going through a major shift, which is why I am following these issues so closely.

 

I understand the aversion some may have towards the 'game' of debating… because a game is what it is indeed, either you have an inclination to partake in it or you don't, as any other game.

 

And as for the 'tactics', I find they are repetitive, predictable and relatively easy to ignore once you get used to filtering out the unnecessary noise in order to focus on the core issue (often 30% or less of a given post).

53 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Why are you shooting the messenger Sir?

 

Red is bringing important info to us all. He is trying to help humanity, by suggesting they do their own research. Thus be better informed, than blindly listening to white-coats that do not have the populaces' best interests at heart. Is that wrong?

Don't think we are all daft taking in your nonsense..........🙄

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

On 12/15/2025 at 3:03 PM, richard_smith237 said:

I do not expect an influenza or COVID vaccine to provide absolute protection.

For someone who insists on scientific proof; you write the above nonsense?

 

There is no evidence that the two vaxxes you state (above) have given the unfortunate jabbed person any protection. In fact, there cannot be protection. You see Sir, COVID - called the rebranded flu by Dr Vernon Coleman - in not a disease.

 

Personally, I don't think there is such a thing as COVID. I go with Dr Coleman on that. But the flu is certainly evident. Even then, the flu, is not a disease. It is the name given to a set of symptoms. Caused by? Could be any number of things; that I've stated many times on the AN platform.

 

Going back to what you posted. How can there be a vaccine to stop something that don't exist? Some science-based poster you are tuning out to be Richard.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

Yes there is...   

 

... and no further comment arguing with a complete fool who thinks the world is flat and viruses don't exist...  that road you travel is simply way too idiotic to bother with.

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yes there is...   

 

... and no further comment arguing with a complete fool who thinks the world is flat and viruses don't exists...  that road you travel is simply way too idiotic to bother with.

Sadly, he doesn't know he is.............

2 hours ago, rumak said:

Just a suggestion 

Yeah, but I may have interpreted the situation better than anyone else.

 

The serious myocarditis issues following the vaccine may (possibly) be related to rigorous exercise that people are doing immediately after the jab.

 

And do not appear to be universally dangerous / life-threatening (apart from perhaps mild myocarditis) for everyone who follows precautions (ie rest) following the jab.

 

At least that's my interpretation. Is that not what you wanted to hear? Are you not relieved that the vaccine is unlikely to be as harmful as your friends have been reporting? 

 

Or are you so lost in ego that you would have preferred your hypothesis reinforced that the vaccine is incredibly deadly just so you can brag that you're on the right side of the fence?

 

There's science .... and then there is human ego and psychology to deal with as you sift through the science. 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yes there is...   

 

... and no further comment arguing with a complete fool who thinks the world is flat and viruses don't exist...  that road you travel is simply way too idiotic to bother with.

Where is there a paper explaining an experiment that shows a virus has been found?

 

If they actually exist, although they could be called something else, they are only, IMO, to be found in dead cells. No one, at any time, has found a virus in real life.

 

And, I'll educate you some more Richard. The diseases that are often said to be caused by a virus don't actually exist either.

 

You think nature is daft? You think the human body is doing things to harm itself? No Sir! When you get a symptom - such as a cough - do you think; ah yes, the body is trying to protect me; by eliminating foreign entities, or, it must be a virus? It is obviously not a disease. O, could it be? You toddle off to the doctor and he tells you have caught a so-and-so virus; and you need this medication.

 

Can't you see the medical industry steam-roller has it completely wrong?

 

And, I'll educate you some more Richard. These sets of symptoms - that white-coats call diseases - have not been shown to be infectious.

 

Never mind your silly-billy remarks; show your evidence. Prove me wrong Sir.

9 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Where is there a paper explaining an experiment that shows a virus has been found?

 

If they actually exist, although they could be called something else, they are only, IMO, to be found in dead cells. No one, at any time, has found a virus in real life.

 

And, I'll educate you some more Richard. The diseases that are often said to be caused by a virus don't actually exist either.

 

Completely idiotic...  you are only educating the stupid.

 

9 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You think nature is daft? You think the human body is doing things to harm itself? No Sir! When you get a symptom - such as a cough - do you think; ah yes, the body is trying to protect me; by eliminating foreign entities, or, it must be a virus? It is obviously not a disease. O, could it be? You toddle off to the doctor and he tells you have caught a so-and-so virus; and you need this medication.

 

No I don't think nature is daft - those are your words not mine. 

 

Nature is wonderful but often cruel - medical intervention compliments nature. 

 

... and viruses exist and the world is round, Covid was real, influenza and covid vaccines are effective at minimising the severity of illness in most cases - other vaccines outright prevent disease. 

 

9 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Can't you see the medical industry steam-roller has it completely wrong?

 

There is no medical 'steamroller' - you just try to shoe horn in 'buzzwords like that' and the 'white coats' - it just makes you look more idiotic than you are.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

And, I'll educate you some more Richard. These sets of symptoms - that white-coats call diseases - have not been shown to be infectious.

 

Never mind your silly-billy remarks; show your evidence. Prove me wrong Sir.

 

And there's that 'education' word again - you are one of the most delusional people I have ever seen on this forum - there is you and Cameroni - both completely out of your minds & insane with unbelevable levels of idiocy and delusion. 

 

And no - I wont even start to go down the rabbit hole of proving you wrong because your total idiocy is moronic and completely time wasting - it would be like proving you that gravity doesn't exist because you can't see it... 

In fact - you probably do question the existance of gravity too !! 

 

 

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

The serious myocarditis issues following the vaccine may (possibly) be related to rigorous exercise that people are doing immediately after the jab.

 

There isn't any 'serious' myocarditis 'following' vaccines...    There is just 'myocarditis' which isn't wholly uncommon - particularly when someone falls unwell.

In fact it occurs at a normal rate of 160 per Million people yearly.

Stats show that the rate is also 1-2 per per Million people recently after being vaccinated.

 

It makes perfect sense that some who suffer myocarditis might have recently been vaccinated. 

 

In the USA in 2024 there were 3,072,039 deaths, about 7220 per Million - some of those will have been vaccinated too.... 

 

And the anti-vaxxers would be trying to pin the vaccine on any of those deaths where someone had recevied a vaccine recently. 

 

In short - Anti-vaxxers are some of the most intellectually dishonest cherry pickers out there - But its good we have threads like this so we can see precisely what utter idiots some people are.

 

 

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

and viruses exist and the world is round, Covid was real, influenza and covid vaccines are effective at minimising the severity of illness in most cases - other vaccines outright prevent disease. 

Then show the evidence Richard.

 

Because viruses have never been found; what are vaccines for?

 

When you are in a hole; best to stop digging.