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Once again an mRNA jab tragedy for healthy man

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2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

And the anti-vaxxers would be trying to pin the vaccine on any of those deaths where someone had recevied a vaccine recently. 

 

In short - Anti-vaxxers are some of the most intellectually dishonest cherry pickers out there - But its good we have threads like this so we can see precisely what utter idiots some people are.

 

I admit I don't know squat about myocarditis. I can barely spell it. 

 

You may be right. 

 

One problem with many scientific studies is "association" is equated to "causality", which is often not provable and often a wrong assumption.

 

Ice cream sales went up in July. Shark attacks increased in July.

Therefore, ice cream causes shark attacks. 

 

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12 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Then show the evidence Richard.

 

Because viruses have never been found; what are vaccines for?

 

But I don't think anyone on the forum is a virologist or microbiologist.

 

But you insist on trying to make yourself look smarter than everyone else by trying to bring up issues that no can disprove.

 

If no one here has worked in a virology lab, what proof do you expect? 

 

Silly argument repeated ad nauseum. 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

In short - Anti-vaxxers are some of the most intellectually dishonest cherry pickers out there - But its good we have threads like this so we can see precisely what utter idiots some people are.

Because you don't agree with their stance on medicine; they are intellectually dishonest cherry pickers?

 

I would never say the pro-vaxxers were stupid; even if I thought they were. They have - and I include you Richard - been smitten by the falsehood medical propaganda.

 

I'll give you a simple example Sir. It was commonplace when I was young, to hear the little ditty; "coughs and sneezes, spread diseases." Many remember this all their lives. And it comes as a shock to many when they realise that coughs and sneezes don't spread diseases. An even bigger shock, when they find out that diseases don't exist either.

 

Nature is boss.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

And it comes as a shock to many when they realise that coughs and sneezes don't spread diseases. An even bigger shock, when they find out that diseases don't exist either.

 

Based on what? 

Everyone has experienced contagious colds. 

 

Diseases don't exist = cuckoo for coco puffs 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I would never say the pro-vaxxers were stupid;

 

I would say that the anti-vaxxers are a bunch of vampires draining my energy.

 

 

20 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

But I don't think anyone on the forum is a virologist or microbiologist.

 

But you insist on trying to make yourself look smarter than everyone else by trying to bring up issues that no can disprove.

 

If no one here has worked in a virology lab, what proof do you expect? 

 

Silly argument repeated ad nauseum. 

 

So Frogs Sir. Why do you believe there are viruses? And, that viruses can cause disease. And that some diseases can be passed from one person to another?

 

Why do you believe some white-coat and not me?

 

My take. Without being able to prove that a virus exists, the very notion that a vaccine can - at least mitigate - a disease caused by one is clearly a nonsense.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Everyone has experienced contagious colds.

No they have not Sir.

 

There have been hundreds of experiments, down the decades, that have tried to prove contagion. I've not seen any evidence that even one was successful.

 

Why? Because a set of symptoms is the body ridding itself of stuff it don't want. A detoxification. However, if a group of people were subjected to (say) a toxic gas, they may well all see their bodies detoxing at the same time; sometime later.

17 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

 

Why do you believe some white-coat and not me?

 

Lee Iacocca said "Lead, follow, or get out of the way."

 

You're clearly a leader, yes?

And I don't want to follow you, so I will get out of your way. 

 

Best of luck, as long as your plans don't conflict with mine. 

 

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56 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

There isn't any 'serious' myocarditis 'following' vaccines...    There is just 'myocarditis' which isn't wholly uncommon - particularly when someone falls unwell.

In fact it occurs at a normal rate of 160 per Million people yearly.

Stats show that the rate is also 1-2 per per Million people recently after being vaccinated.

 

It makes perfect sense that some who suffer myocarditis might have recently been vaccinated. 

 

In the USA in 2024 there were 3,072,039 deaths, about 7220 per Million - some of those will have been vaccinated too.... 

 

And the anti-vaxxers would be trying to pin the vaccine on any of those deaths where someone had recevied a vaccine recently. 

 

In short - Anti-vaxxers are some of the most intellectually dishonest cherry pickers out there - But its good we have threads like this so we can see precisely what utter idiots some people are.

 

 

 

Rinse and Repeat ..............   "anti-vaxxers" .....intellectually dishonest..... cherry pickers...... utter idiots ...... 

 

the....same...old....game.....  

 

watch the videos >  tina peters..... and Dr. Peter McCullough .....

Counter the research they present .     without all the bs 

4 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

Rinse and Repeat ..............   "anti-vaxxers" .....intellectually dishonest..... cherry pickers...... utter idiots ...... 

 

the....same...old....game.....  

 

watch the videos >  tina peters..... and Dr. Peter McCullough .....

Counter the research they present .     without all the bs 

 

No... because to counter the misrepresentations and falsehoods mixed in with snippets of truth would provide a thin veneer of credit to the intellectually dishonest, cherry picking idiots.... 

 

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

When you are in a hole; best to stop digging.

 

"Riiiccchhhhaaarrrrrrrd ?  "

 

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Just now, rumak said:

 

"Riiiccchhhhaaarrrrrrrd ?  "

 

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The circle jerk of fools...       you are aligning yourself with a guy who claims viruses do not exist....

 

In your shoes I'd be embarrassed beyond belief... 

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The circle jerk of fools...       you are aligning yourself with a guy who claims viruses do not exist....

 

In your shoes I'd be embarrassed beyond belief... 

 

C'mon ..... don't start being a hypocrite and start doing what you claim to resent .  (don't put words in my mouth,  or say who i align with ) .

 

Rattlesnake and I and Red have all stated that the mRNA "vaccine" ... is the topic here !    What others post outside of that we can not control .  WE have stayed on topic ,  and the 2 videos are specifically on said topic.

 

So ..... stay on topic ........we already know the slurs you throw ad nauseum

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The circle jerk of fools...       you are aligning yourself with a guy who claims viruses do not exist....

 

In your shoes I'd be embarrassed beyond belief... 

Ok Richard Sir. I know your post was not addressed to me, but could I ask you just one question. And it is. How do you know that a virus - any virus - exists? Forget the disease bit for a mo. Put aside the vaxxes. Forget the contagion aspects.

 

The virus. How do you know?

1 minute ago, rumak said:

 

C'mon ..... don't start being a hypocrite and start doing what you claim to resent .  (don't put words in my mouth,  or say who i align with ) .

 

Rattlesnake and I and Red have all stated that the mRNA "vaccine" ... is the topic here !    What others post outside of that we can not control .  WE have stayed on topic ,  and the 2 videos are specifically on said topic.

 

Fair enough - so you are distancing yourself and recognise that stiddel is jeffing bonkers !!!

 

As far as the mRNA vaccines itself goes - any stats I do provide are simply refuted by you anti-vaxx neurotics as main stream fallacy - which is of course false - but then it comes down to whatever studies and videos you chose to believe. 

 

But.. one thing is for sure - bit sized videos and senate hearings are not proof of anything - I agree the Pharmaceutical industry is flawed - but just like democracy, its the worst form apart from all others tried - and without doubt the Pharmaceutical is saving billions of lives - like them or hate them - thats undeniable (unless you ignore facts - which ever anti-vaxxer does).

 

mRNA vaccines only became such a big hit for the anti-vaxxers because so many halfwits watch CSI TV shows and have heard of DNA and think its somehow similar - a dash of flawed information is dangerous in a stupid mind.

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Ok Richard Sir. I know your post was not addressed to me, but could I ask you just one question. And it is. How do you know that a virus - any virus - exists? Forget the disease bit for a mo. Put aside the vaxxes. Forget the contagion aspects.

 

The virus. How do you know?

 

Not playing - sorry, you are just too stupid.

Im sure it is been posted before, and this is science, believe it or not, your choice 

 

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality Among Adults Aged 18 to 59 Years in France

 

Abstract

Importance: While several studies have assessed the impact of COVID-19 vaccination on short-term mortality, none have compared long-term mortality by vaccination status, particularly in young individuals who are less likely to experience severe disease following SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Objective: To compare 4-year all-cause mortality in individuals aged 18 to 59 years vaccinated with the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine vs unvaccinated individuals.

Design, setting, and participants: This cohort study used data from the French National Health Data System for all individuals in the French population aged 18 to 59 years who were alive on November 1, 2021. Data analysis was conducted from June 2024 to September 2025.

Exposure: Exposure was defined as receiving a first mRNA dose between May 1 and October 31, 2021. Individuals who were unvaccinated by November 1, 2021, were assigned a random index date based on vaccinated individuals' vaccination dates.

Main outcomes and measures: Cox models weighted for sociodemographic characteristics and 41 comorbidities were used to estimate 4-year all-cause mortality. Time to event was censored at all-cause death, COVID-19 vaccination for unexposed individuals, or study termination on March 31, 2025. Complementary analyses were performed, including a comparison of the main causes of death available up to December 31, 2023. Follow-up began 6 months after the index date in both groups to address immortal time bias. Short-term mortality within 6 months after vaccination was assessed in a separate, independent study using adapted self-controlled case series models.

Results: A total of 22 767 546 vaccinated and 5 932 443 unvaccinated individuals were followed up for a median (IQR) of 45 (44-46) months. Vaccinated individuals were older than unvaccinated individuals (mean [SD] age, 38.0 [11.8] years vs 37.1 [11.4] years), more frequently women (11 688 603 [51.3%] vs 2 876 039 [48.5%]) and had more cardiometabolic comorbidities (2 126 250 [9.3%] vs 464 596 [7.8%]). During follow-up, 98 429 (0.4%) and 32 662 (0.6%) all-cause deaths occurred in the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, respectively. Vaccinated individuals had a 74% lower risk of death from severe COVID-19 (weighted hazard ratio [wHR], 0.26 [95% CI, 0.22-0.30]) and a 25% lower risk of all-cause mortality (wHR, 0.75 [95% CI, 0.75-0.76]), with a similar association observed when excluding severe COVID-19 death. Sensitivity analysis revealed that vaccinated individuals consistently had a lower risk of death, regardless of the cause. Mortality was 29% lower within 6 months following COVID-19 vaccination (relative incidence, 0.71 [95% CI, 0.69-0.73]).

Conclusions and relevance: In this national cohort study of 28 million individuals, the results found no increased risk of 4-year all-cause mortality in individuals aged 18 to 59 years vaccinated against COVID-19, further supporting the safety of the mRNA vaccines that are widely used worldwide.

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41343214/

 

 

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

mRNA vaccines only became such a big hit for the anti-vaxxers because so many halfwits watch CSI TV shows and have heard of DNA and think its somehow similar - a dash of flawed information is dangerous in a stupid mind.

 

Well, that is of course your OPINION .   Not a very intelligent point of view , but that is also my opinion.   I will say , for your record ( and you can search AN trying to dispute it) ...... that I do not blindly"follow"  any person, group, or ideology on this forum .   And my mistrust of what is widely known as Mainstreet Media is now gaining steam on all levels.... not just the "fringe nutters" you rave about .   I happen to have life experiences which caused that mistrust ,  and even someone like you knows how deep and corrupt governments have been .  If not ,  you are either truly naive ... or just detemined to stick like glue to the accepted narratives that are dictated on those (now shrinking)  media mouthpieces.

So...... hopefully you will stop harping on the topics or members you have issues with , and just focus on those who attempt to relate honestly .  You and I certainly had fun and also similar insights into the Camoroni Comedy/Tragedy .     Again, proof that i think independently and "align" with who and what each issue is .  

Maybe i am just wasting a lot of time with this..... but the main reason , actually, that i post is to keep my brain functioning in what they call "retirement" .   And to keep my wit active.  Not easy with the very thin-skinned world nowadays.    

Take a listen to the videos ..... it's ok with me however you want to relate to the content .   I, personally ....have seen and heard a lot about the injuries and deaths .   And in my gut felt it was all wrong 4 years ago.  As soon as someone said  "you MUST go put this stuff in your body!" 

Remember when Fauci was walking around a black ghetto trying to give money or some gift to a young black guy to take the shot ?  Greatest response ever , paraphrased , "hell, first time in my life some government people come walking around my neighborhood..... and you gonna tell me its to keep me from dying so i gotta take this shot .   Hellll No !  "

33 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I agree the Pharmaceutical industry is flawed - but just like democracy, its the worst form apart from all others tried - and without doubt the Pharmaceutical is saving billions of lives - like them or hate them - thats undeniable (unless you ignore facts - which ever anti-vaxxer does).

 

A longgg subject for another day .   What you have just written once again shows me how mainstreet you really are .   Yes,  the minority of us that turn our backs (not 100% ! ......as not every drug is horrible)  on the Medical Establishment that promotes allopathic Pharmaceuticals like candy and puts doctors on pedestals ,  those who strictly follow the rules of course.

 

many who refused the mRNA shots are also adherents of what is called Naturapathic protocols and remedies.   But, certainly not all .  Again, many different topics within......... but my words have run out for today

22 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

A longgg subject for another day .   What you have just written once again shows me how mainstreet you really are .   Yes,  the minority of us that turn our backs (not 100% ! ......as not every drug is horrible)  on the Medical Establishment that promotes allopathic Pharmaceuticals like candy and puts doctors on pedestals ,  those who strictly follow the rules of course.

 

many who refused the mRNA shots are also adherents of what is called Naturapathic protocols and remedies.   But, certainly not all .  Again, many different topics within......... but my words have run out for today

 

I think we're in some alignment there... 

 

Though, you write 'main-street' (mainstream) as if there is something wrong with that - as if the proven facts are somehow bad - mainstream is mainstream because it is the proven answer.

The moon landings and the Earth being an oblate spheroid are mainstream 'facts' because they are right - its just that simple. 

 

There are many medicines and vaccines which undoubtedly save lives. 

Then there are those which may not be as beneficial as they are peddled to be, some are controversial that they 'save lives' while also doing 'some' harm... and thats why there is strict oversight. 

 

The difference in our opinions is that some anti-vaxxers suggest this oversight is politically and profit motivated - and the mRNA vaccines was rushed through and is actively dangerous. 

I believe it was fast tracked - I don't believe it was dangerous. 

 

Then...  as another part of the anti-vax group we have the loons who suggest all vaccines are useless, there is no such thing as a virus, there is no need for antibiotics... 

 

 

I too believe in natural remedies  and I much prefer not to take medicine - but I'm glad its there when I need it. 

I'm glad vaccines have protected me from some of the horrific illnesses out there in some of the places I've visted.

 

I recently took the Flu-vaxxine - I 'hope' nothing happens, as in, I don't catch Influenza in the UK at all...  but if am exposed I 'hope' the vaccine minimises the impact of the Influenza virus - In taking the vaccine, I believe I'm giving myself the best shot (no pun intended) at avoiding being holed up for a few days feeling terrible. 

 

Two years ago I didn't take the vaccine before a UK trip - and I ended up drugged up on Paracetamol and Codeine over Christmas - some (stiddle) would have us believe that falling sick shortly after arriving in the UK is because I didn't rely on nature to protect myself !!! - obviously not enough walking barefoot in the grass !!! 

 

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Though, you write 'main-street' (mainstream) as if there is something wrong with that - as if the proven facts are somehow bad - mainstream is mainstream because it is the proven answer.

 

Oh, i really wish that were true !  (forget about your obsession with the shape of the Earth or moon landings , PLEASE) ..... they are not relevant to discussions pertaining to present day medical practices (read my comments regarding how and why there is extreme bias and thus corrupted "truths" in the paid for studies that are "commonly accepted" .   I see those as facts !  You do not .   

As you age you will be , if you are a "typical"  human specimen,  faced with some, or maybe many,  physical challenges .  IMO  the "normal guidelines" and remedies for many ailments that afflict the elderly are anything but "safe and effective " .

I am living proof that taking a different path than my "mainstream" peers can produce much better results than what our esteemed doctors would prescribe .  

Statins, PPI's,  blood pressure meds,  pain relievers, anti- inflamatories, the cholesterol "myths" ,  dental care,  diet , proper exercise per individual , even skeletal and prostate issues... all dealt with as per MY orders .   NO DRUGS .....except one eye drop .

You are welcome to compare  me to others my age .  They have gone downhill slowly but surely,  all on meds prescribed by the "accepted " allopathic ways .   SIDE EFFECTS !   helping today....killing tomorrow.

 

I did not flow down the Main Stream (play on words, there, RS)   It ain't easy swimming.   But now i am much stronger for it ..... coming back from weakness and general malaise that the happy to collect my money doctors diagnosed as  "You're just getting old " .I take certain supplements, and some natural products .     

 

Fact (from one of your accepted sites) :  The average 75-year-old takes several medications, with studies showing around 40% using five or more prescriptions (polypharmacy), and often taking over 10 prescriptions daily, though averages vary, with some data suggesting around 5-6 daily

 

it ain't all DNA ..........  ( all of this off topic... but maybe relevant )

12 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

Oh, i really wish that were true !  (forget about your obsession with the shape of the Earth or moon landings , PLEASE) ..... they are not relevant to discussions pertaining to present day medical practices (read my comments regarding how and why there is extreme bias and thus corrupted "truths" in the paid for studies that are "commonly accepted" .   I see those as facts !  You do not .   

As you age you will be , if you are a "typical"  human specimen,  faced with some, or maybe many,  physical challenges .  IMO  the "normal guidelines" and remedies for many ailments that afflict the elderly are anything but "safe and effective " .

I am living proof that taking a different path than my "mainstream" peers can produce much better results than what our esteemed doctors would prescribe .  

Statins, PPI's,  blood pressure meds,  pain relievers, anti- inflamatories, the cholesterol "myths" ,  dental care,  diet , proper exercise per individual , even skeletal and prostate issues... all dealt with as per MY orders .   NO DRUGS .....except one eye drop .

You are welcome to compare  me to others my age .  They have gone downhill slowly but surely,  all on meds prescribed by the "accepted " allopathic ways .   SIDE EFFECTS !   helping today....killing tomorrow.

 

I did not flow down the Main Stream (play on words, there, RS)   It ain't easy swimming.   But now i am much stronger for it ..... coming back from weakness and general malaise that the happy to collect my money doctors diagnosed as  "You're just getting old " .I take certain supplements, and some natural products .     

 

Fact (from one of your accepted sites) :  The average 75-year-old takes several medications, with studies showing around 40% using five or more prescriptions (polypharmacy), and often taking over 10 prescriptions daily, though averages vary, with some data suggesting around 5-6 daily

 

it ain't all DNA ..........  ( all of this off topic... but maybe relevant )


Isn’t it interesting how desperate the mudbloods are?   They seem to be the ones who continuously bring up moon landings, flat earth, ice cream, seat belts and anything else they can think of.

 

And how many times have they said “I’m done debating with idiots”….yet they come back again and again.

 

I’m just here to read about people having health issues and enjoying karma in action.

 

Miscarriages, sight problems, autoimmune issues.

 

My favorites are the deaths though.

 

Is that too dark?

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3 hours ago, Airalee said:

I’m just here to read about people having health issues and enjoying karma in action.

 

Miscarriages, sight problems, autoimmune issues.

 

My favorites are the deaths though.

 

Is that too dark?

 

Well, i can have such thoughts...especially for the bast***s that did all they could to force everyone to inject the poison (while exempting themselves! ).

 

My four longtime friends here all fell victim to the CNN propaganda , didn't listen to what i told or sent them, and sure enough got pretty sick within a month after taking the jab .   Only ONE person ever admitted i was right . But i don't wish these friends harm , and they are just silent about it all.

My daughter and husband both took Pfizer in first year,  as mandated for anyone traveling BETWEEN PROVINCES in Canada .   After that they were almost continuosly ill for more than a year.  Get better, get sick .  These are young . previously healthy individuals.   

 

But you're right .  Lots of people I know , and people they know..... are now living compromised lives, healthwise .   And the real deniers are those who claim that all those vaccinated sick are just "anecdotal cases "  !!   And the ten folks i know personally that are unvaccinated.... NONE getting covid ,nor "long covid aka vax injuries," well, again... JUST ANECDOTAL .    

 

It's true !  That is the world i trust .  ANECDOTAL .   Certainly not some fudged "study"  making up numbers from a computer algorythm and hand-picked for publication.

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10 hours ago, Hummin said:

Im sure it is been posted before, and this is science, believe it or not, your choice 

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality Among Adults Aged 18 to 59 Years in France

Abstract

...

Conclusions and relevance: In this national cohort study of 28 million individuals, the results found no increased risk of 4-year all-cause mortality in individuals aged 18 to 59 years vaccinated against COVID-19, further supporting the safety of the mRNA vaccines that are widely used worldwide.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41343214/

 

Yes indeed, that French study has been posted in one of the threads on this sub-forum. 

As it reached a completely different conclusion than the many studies by independent researchers that I have read (and posted on this sub-forum) I did read the study.  And when doing so I noted several 'red flags' and these were confirmed when later I did come across a study that pointed out in detail all the tricks that were used to reach the conclusion these researchers used to reach their conclusion.  

Unfortunately I cannot find that independent counter-study anymore that ripped to shreds the study that you posted (but when I come across it I will post it). 

But in conclusion > this French study is a text-book example of cherry-picking

a) the segments of the population and

b) the time-window over which the data of that segment were analyzed.    

 

3 hours ago, rumak said:

My daughter and husband both took Pfizer in first year,  as mandated for anyone traveling BETWEEN PROVINCES in Canada .   After that they were almost continuosly ill for more than a year.  Get better, get sick .  These are young . previously healthy individuals.   


You mean they were travelling during the dusk of a pandemic during which so many people had isolated & they wondered why respiratory viruses were transmitted….

 

Your take - must have been the poison vaccine that made them ill.

My take - things might have been worse for them without the protection from severe symptoms the vaccines offer. 
 

 

Isolation was the worst thing for us as we didn’t allow ourselves to follow the antigenic drift of pockets of Influenza & Rhinoviruses etc which were later transmitted when we started moving around again.

 

But - isolation (at the beginning was the only sensible option after Imperial had modelled SARS—CoV1 & MERS CFR’s with influenza transmission rates…

Later lock downs when more was know is where the issue lies IMO - that doesn’t mean I believe the vaccines were harmful - they’re no more harmful than any other vaccine.

BUT - after the first Delta & Omicron waves I think the importance of the vaccines & efficacy were over played. 
(Again / that’s a different issue than their safety which I have no concern with). 

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12 hours ago, Hummin said:

Im sure it is been posted before, and this is science, believe it or not, your choice 

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality Among Adults Aged 18 to 59 Years in France

Abstract

...

Conclusions and relevance: In this national cohort study of 28 million individuals, the results found no increased risk of 4-year all-cause mortality in individuals aged 18 to 59 years vaccinated against COVID-19, further supporting the safety of the mRNA vaccines that are widely used worldwide.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41343214/

 

Yes indeed, that French study has been posted in one of the threads on this sub-forum. 

As it reached a completely different conclusion than the many studies by independent researchers that I have read (and posted on this sub-forum) I did read the study.  And when doing so I noted several 'red flags' and these were confirmed when later I did come across a study that pointed out in detail all the tricks that were used by these French researchers to reach their desired conclusion.  

Unfortunately I cannot find that independent counter-study anymore that ripped to shreds the study that you posted (but when I come across it I will post it). 

But in conclusion > this French study is a text-book example of cherry-picking

a) the segments of the population and

b) the time-window over which the data of that segment were analyzed.    

 

@Hummin>> Found it and will post immediately after this response

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Invalid Study from French National Agency Falsely Claims COVID-19 Vaccines Do Not Increase Mortality

By Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH

With a dozen or more studies demonstrating increased mortality after COVID-19 vaccination, how could a paper from France claim they could not find the signal?

Sourcehttps://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/invalid-study-from-french-national-agency-falsely-claims-covid-19-vaccines-do-not-increase-mortality/

 

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A French vaccine promotional unit, EPI-PHARE Scientific Interest Group in Epidemiology of Health Products from the French National Agency for the Safety of Medicines and Health Products and the French National Health Insurance, Saint-Denis, France published an analysis using a stupendously ridiculous design.

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The main critiques here: 

  1. COVID-19 vaccinated: received a first dose between May 1 and November 1, 2021. Do doubt agency used the entire data set off all first and subsequent doses and found INCREASED mortality, so they went back and found a first dose window and restricted age to find a group where mortality was favorable to the vaccine.

  2. COVID-19 unvaccinated, probably took shots after November 1, 2021 and would still falsely categorized as “unvaccinated.”

  3. Healthy vaccinee bias was evident with fewer deaths among the vaccinated for a long list of deaths not related to the pandemic.

  4. Only 59% of all the deaths possible were captured in this study

Thus the overall conclusions should be dismissed and this paper joins hundreds of similar papers that are non-randomized, cherry-pick vaccinated groups, miscategorize vaccinated and unvaccinated, have incomplete death data, and fail to control for known confounders for all-cause mortality.

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1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

You mean they were travelling during the dusk of a pandemic during which so many people had isolated & they wondered why respiratory viruses were transmitted….

 

for someone who sits so adamantly on FACTS .... you are the fastest person on this forum to jump to conclusions without any knowledge .   slow down, give some thought, please.    That comment about people "travelling " is idiotic .    FYI :   They "travelled" by car ... to get to their new house which was in a different PROVINCE  of Canada,  one of the most tyrannical of all the WEF lead  countries.   Probably you would have had your mask on in the car and driven fast to evade the invading virus .  🤣

9 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

for someone who sits so adamantly on FACTS .... you are the fastest person on this forum to jump to conclusions without any knowledge .   slow down, give some thought, please.    That comment about people "travelling " is idiotic .    FYI :   They "travelled" by car ... to get to their new house which was in a different PROVINCE  of Canada,  one of the most tyrannical of all the WEF lead  countries.   Probably you would have had your mask on in the car and driven fast to evade the invading virus .  🤣


It’s still travelling - I’m travelling too & expect to be exposed to some viruses going through an airport.

 

When in the Uk I expect to be exposed again…. In the taxi, in the supermarket etc…. 
& I won’t blame catching a cold or other respiratory virus on a vaccine I had 4 weeks ago. 
 

(as for your other comments - mask on in car / driving fast etc - just stupid.

What would you do to avoid a virus ? Walk barefoot in the forest - let nature protect you ?? - good luck with that when exposed to someone with a high viral load - I sometimes think anti-vaxxers don’t travel or when they do it’s never to an area of poorer weather conducive to the transmission of respiratory viruses / they believe they are strong & all viruses dodge them ! ) 

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