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Once again an mRNA jab tragedy for healthy man

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15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Completely idiotic...  you are only educating the stupid.

 

 

No I don't think nature is daft - those are your words not mine. 

 

Nature is wonderful but often cruel - medical intervention compliments nature. 

 

... and viruses exist and the world is round, Covid was real, influenza and covid vaccines are effective at minimising the severity of illness in most cases - other vaccines outright prevent disease. 

 

 

There is no medical 'steamroller' - you just try to shoe horn in 'buzzwords like that' and the 'white coats' - it just makes you look more idiotic than you are.

 

 

 

And there's that 'education' word again - you are one of the most delusional people I have ever seen on this forum - there is you and Cameroni - both completely out of your minds & insane with unbelevable levels of idiocy and delusion. 

 

And no - I wont even start to go down the rabbit hole of proving you wrong because your total idiocy is moronic and completely time wasting - it would be like proving you that gravity doesn't exist because you can't see it... 

In fact - you probably do question the existance of gravity too !! 

 

 

Well said, and it is astonishing the type of weirdo's that show up on this forum.........😬

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    The vaccines saved many millions of lives. You story does not provide any evidence that the vaccine was responsible for this guys death.

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    Summary: A 65‑year‑old man…   - Had major surgery to remove a stomach cancer and six months of chemotherapy - Had open‑heart surgery a two months before his death - Ultimately died

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    The Lord's Prayer of the vaccine religion. To be recited every day before bedtime.

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15 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Then show the evidence Richard.

 

Because viruses have never been found; what are vaccines for?

 

When you are in a hole; best to stop digging.

 

 

You should try it........😬

15 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

So Frogs Sir. Why do you believe there are viruses? And, that viruses can cause disease. And that some diseases can be passed from one person to another?

 

Why do you believe some white-coat and not me?

 

My take. Without being able to prove that a virus exists, the very notion that a vaccine can - at least mitigate - a disease caused by one is clearly a nonsense.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

Because you have a screw loose...........😒

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7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:


It’s still travelling - I’m travelling too & expect to be exposed to some viruses going through an airport.

 

When in the Uk I expect to be exposed again…. In the taxi, in the supermarket etc…. 
& I won’t blame catching a cold or other respiratory virus on a vaccine I had 4 weeks ago. 
 

(as for your other comments - mask on in car / driving fast etc - just stupid.

What would you do to avoid a virus ? Walk barefoot in the forest - let nature protect you ?? - good luck with that when exposed to someone with a high viral load - I sometimes think anti-vaxxers don’t travel or when they do it’s never to an area of poorer weather conducive to the transmission of respiratory viruses / they believe they are strong & all viruses dodge them ! ) 

 

more idiocy .....back to the walk barefoot and "anti-vaxxer "  rhetoric .  I have seen enough now to finally reach an informed decision about your obvious bias and mental refusal to attempt to actually evaluate any evidence presented  that  does not agree with your chosen parroting of the MAINSTREAM narrative .   Which you constantly refer to as the "accepted truth " .

People like you come from all walks of life,  and what is funny is that it is often the "most educated"  that are the least likely to alter the conditioning which pretty much controls their thoughts and actions .  I imagine that in a time gone by you would be a Camel cigarette smoker ....because , obviously, "More doctors smoke Camel than any other brand "  . (and we all know, studies have shown, that smoking definitely does NOT cause cancer ) 

 

That ridiculous charade went on for decades !   Ahhh.... but nothing like that ever happens nowadays, Richard states unequivocally .   The many examples presented here of similar govt. and MSM "misinformation"  ...

NAHHH!   Not true , RS shouts.   "just stupid fake experts who go  out with underage girls and walk around in their underwear at parties .  pffft  "

 

So...... keep practicing your (once) admirable debate skills .  Though one must admit ,  that not much new has been added .  And the refusal to counter the findings of real experts such as Dr. McCullough,  nor even admit that  "Camels are not a good choice ,  though further studies are needed" and "all will be great (in time?)   when or if a definitive change in conclusions are agreed upon by our upstanding and uncorruptable chosen experts who might find reason to ..... change a definition or two "  

 

In the meantime ..... it's just us trouble makers who want to rock the boat of conformity .  To him...every story like Dark Waters or Erin Brokovich is just a needle in a haystack occurance .   Kinda like vaccine deaths .   And so he uses the tried and true ...ruin the reputiation of those who dare to speak up.    

 

My last post on this thread.   RS will have the last say , or six .  I believe he knows that he has been lied to by his "mainstream buddies" .  And will give some "yeah, sure...... there will always be some mistakes , but but but " sermon and justification .   And look for something in my presentation to try to make "the story" .    Like travelling or some nonsense. 

 

I say all this not to "Win" a debate .   Debates are like the circle jerks RS likes to make fun of .   At the end of the day , Richard will still be astounding us non-intelligent lowlifes with his startling revelation regarding  something that is rich in organic matter (humus), nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium (NPK), along with vital minerals like calcium, magnesium, sulfur, zinc, iron, and manganese, 

 

Me ....... I just call it  Bull Sheet . 

 

2 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

more idiocy .....back to the walk barefoot and "anti-vaxxer "  rhetoric .  I have seen enough now to finally reach an informed decision about your obvious bias and mental refusal to attempt to actually evaluate any evidence presented  that  does not agree with your chosen parroting of the MAINSTREAM narrative .   Which you constantly refer to as the "accepted truth " .

People like you come from all walks of life,  and what is funny is that it is often the "most educated"  that are the least likely to alter the conditioning which pretty much controls their thoughts and actions .  I imagine that in a time gone by you would be a Camel cigarette smoker ....because , obviously, "More doctors smoke Camel than any other brand "  . (and we all know, studies have shown, that smoking definitely does NOT cause cancer ) 

 

That ridiculous charade went on for decades !   Ahhh.... but nothing like that ever happens nowadays, Richard states unequivocally .   The many examples presented here of similar govt. and MSM "misinformation"  ...

NAHHH!   Not true , RS shouts.   "just stupid fake experts who go  out with underage girls and walk around in their underwear at parties .  pffft  "

 

So...... keep practicing your (once) admirable debate skills .  Though one must admit ,  that not much new has been added .  And the refusal to counter the findings of real experts such as Dr. McCullough,  nor even admit that  "Camels are not a good choice ,  though further studies are needed" and "all will be great (in time?)   when or if a definitive change in conclusions are agreed upon by our upstanding and uncorruptable chosen experts who might find reason to ..... change a definition or two "  

 

In the meantime ..... it's just us trouble makers who want to rock the boat of conformity .  To him...every story like Dark Waters or Erin Brokovich is just a needle in a haystack occurance .   Kinda like vaccine deaths .   And so he uses the tried and true ...ruin the reputiation of those who dare to speak up.    

 

My last post on this thread.   RS will have the last say , or six .  I believe he knows that he has been lied to by his "mainstream buddies" .  And will give some "yeah, sure...... there will always be some mistakes , but but but " sermon and justification .   And look for something in my presentation to try to make "the story" .    Like travelling or some nonsense. 

 

I say all this not to "Win" a debate .   Debates are like the circle jerks RS likes to make fun of .   At the end of the day , Richard will still be astounding us non-intelligent lowlifes with his startling revelation regarding  something that is rich in organic matter (humus), nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium (NPK), along with vital minerals like calcium, magnesium, sulfur, zinc, iron, and manganese, 

 

Me ....... I just call it  Bull Sheet . 

 

Then carry on supporting those here, who have no medical or scientific qualifications to preach here that the worldwide medical and scientific establishment are wrong, and that this couple of fruitcakes on here are right............😒

Amazing...........😬

 

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53 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

more idiocy .....back to the walk barefoot and "anti-vaxxer "  rhetoric .  I have seen enough now to finally reach an informed decision about your obvious bias and mental refusal to attempt to actually evaluate any evidence presented  that  does not agree with your chosen parroting of the MAINSTREAM narrative .   Which you constantly refer to as the "accepted truth " .

People like you come from all walks of life,  and what is funny is that it is often the "most educated"  that are the least likely to alter the conditioning which pretty much controls their thoughts and actions .  I imagine that in a time gone by you would be a Camel cigarette smoker ....because , obviously, "More doctors smoke Camel than any other brand "  . (and we all know, studies have shown, that smoking definitely does NOT cause cancer ) 

 

That ridiculous charade went on for decades !   Ahhh.... but nothing like that ever happens nowadays, Richard states unequivocally .   The many examples presented here of similar govt. and MSM "misinformation"  ...

NAHHH!   Not true , RS shouts.   "just stupid fake experts who go  out with underage girls and walk around in their underwear at parties .  pffft  "

 

So...... keep practicing your (once) admirable debate skills .  Though one must admit ,  that not much new has been added .  And the refusal to counter the findings of real experts such as Dr. McCullough,  nor even admit that  "Camels are not a good choice ,  though further studies are needed" and "all will be great (in time?)   when or if a definitive change in conclusions are agreed upon by our upstanding and uncorruptable chosen experts who might find reason to ..... change a definition or two "  

 

In the meantime ..... it's just us trouble makers who want to rock the boat of conformity .  To him...every story like Dark Waters or Erin Brokovich is just a needle in a haystack occurance .   Kinda like vaccine deaths .   And so he uses the tried and true ...ruin the reputiation of those who dare to speak up.    

 

My last post on this thread.   RS will have the last say , or six .  I believe he knows that he has been lied to by his "mainstream buddies" .  And will give some "yeah, sure...... there will always be some mistakes , but but but " sermon and justification .   And look for something in my presentation to try to make "the story" .    Like travelling or some nonsense. 

 

I say all this not to "Win" a debate .   Debates are like the circle jerks RS likes to make fun of .   At the end of the day , Richard will still be astounding us non-intelligent lowlifes with his startling revelation regarding  something that is rich in organic matter (humus), nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium (NPK), along with vital minerals like calcium, magnesium, sulfur, zinc, iron, and manganese, 

 

Me ....... I just call it  Bull Sheet . 

 


Not sure why we even bother to try debating with the mudbloods here.   Nothing can convince them because if it did, they’d have to accept the responsibility of all the horrific things that have been happening to their sons, daughters, stepdaughters, mothers in law etc etc.

 

Think of how hard they pushed the vax here.  If they’re that concerned about the health of strangers on the internet, I’d be willing to bet they pushed even harder for their families to get it.

 

There should be a holiday created in honor of their children’s current and future health problems.

 


 

 

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14 minutes ago, Airalee said:

There should be a holiday created in honor of their children’s current and future health problems.

 

That the vaccine causes "future health problems" is more fear-mongering on your team's part that has no solid scientific basis. 

 

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11 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

That the vaccine causes "future health problems" is more fear-mongering on your team's part that has no solid scientific basis. 

 

 

wrong again .   boy, you are setting records here on this thread .  there of course is lots of evidence ..*hint: one is large clots * .   also Tina Peters ..LOOK at her video ! ) ....and many other experts.

My last comment to you, as well .  Very obvious you are not here to seek any answers, as you admit you don't want to put in the time. 

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Invalid Study from French National Agency Falsely Claims COVID-19 Vaccines Do Not Increase Mortality

By Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH

With a dozen or more studies demonstrating increased mortality after COVID-19 vaccination, how could a paper from France claim they could not find the signal?

Sourcehttps://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/invalid-study-from-french-national-agency-falsely-claims-covid-19-vaccines-do-not-increase-mortality/

 

= = = 

A French vaccine promotional unit, EPI-PHARE Scientific Interest Group in Epidemiology of Health Products from the French National Agency for the Safety of Medicines and Health Products and the French National Health Insurance, Saint-Denis, France published an analysis using a stupendously ridiculous design.

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The main critiques here: 

  1. COVID-19 vaccinated: received a first dose between May 1 and November 1, 2021. Do doubt agency used the entire data set off all first and subsequent doses and found INCREASED mortality, so they went back and found a first dose window and restricted age to find a group where mortality was favorable to the vaccine.

  2. COVID-19 unvaccinated, probably took shots after November 1, 2021 and would still falsely categorized as “unvaccinated.”

  3. Healthy vaccinee bias was evident with fewer deaths among the vaccinated for a long list of deaths not related to the pandemic.

  4. Only 59% of all the deaths possible were captured in this study

Thus the overall conclusions should be dismissed and this paper joins hundreds of similar papers that are non-randomized, cherry-pick vaccinated groups, miscategorize vaccinated and unvaccinated, have incomplete death data, and fail to control for known confounders for all-cause mortality.

 

Another good example of what sources you believe in and what you present here! 

 

Absolutely fantastic and damaging 

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On 12/6/2025 at 3:20 PM, rattlesnake said:

 

The Lord's Prayer of the vaccine religion. To be recited every day before bedtime.

  Give us this day our daily jab, and protect us from the unvaccinated, as we will never forgive them, for thine is the placebo, "virtually" harmless" furthering the narrative, for ever and ever  .....safe and effective , Amen 

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4 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

wrong again .   boy, you are setting records here on this thread .  there of course is lots of evidence ..*hint: one is large clots * .   also Tina Peters ..LOOK at her video ! ) ....and many other experts.

My last comment to you, as well .  Very obvious you are not here to seek any answers, as you admit you don't want to put in the time. 

The largest clots are those like me who allowed ourselves to be blackmailed and threatened into getting jabbed   I was since diagnosed with stage 4 colorectal cancer, were there any long term symptoms ?  none at all   Is it a coincidence ? maybe  does that make me feel better ?  well what do you think?     

31 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

That the vaccine causes "future health problems" is more fear-mongering on your team's part that has no solid scientific basis. 

 

but it is rather concerning for the unbrainwashed

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4 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

The largest clots are those like me who allowed ourselves to be blackmailed and threatened into getting jabbed   I was since diagnosed with stage 4 colorectal cancer, were there any long term symptoms ?  none at all   Is it a coincidence ? maybe  does that make me feel better ?  well what do you think?     

 

You have just awakened something that hurts in me..... its called empathy .

Believe me... i feel your pain .   

The usual suspects will be soon to respond with the chosen retort :

"Correlation is not causality"      and then talk about ice cream .

 

I am wholly on the side of anecdotal evidence !   I believe what i see, not what i read from the puppets.    

 

Just so sorry it is you that are part of the evidence .  Check out ( probably have already)  substackers  2nd smartest guy in the world....... and Midwestern Doctor for starters .   There are some "miracles"  quoted regarding cancer therapies .  

 

may the miracle happen for you

rumak

 

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32 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

The largest clots are those like me who allowed ourselves to be blackmailed and threatened into getting jabbed   I was since diagnosed with stage 4 colorectal cancer, were there any long term symptoms ?  none at all   Is it a coincidence ? maybe  does that make me feel better ?  well what do you think?     

 

I know it's just anecdotal, or maybe my age bracket, but I know more people in my circle who have been diagnosed with cancer since Covid than in the first 60+ years of my life.  My heart goes out to all of them, regardless of how they got it.

 

Best of luck with it.

 

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31 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

The largest clots are those like me who allowed ourselves to be blackmailed and threatened into getting jabbed   I was since diagnosed with stage 4 colorectal cancer, were there any long term symptoms ?  none at all   Is it a coincidence ? maybe  does that make me feel better ?  well what do you think?     

 

Sorry to hear that.

 

Just in case you are not aware, you are in Absurdland here, be prepared to hear people tell you, on a superior authoritative tone, that you would have been worse off if you hadn't been jabbed (but they are trying to convince themselves more than anyone else).

 

The references rumak gave you are good and definitely worth checking out.

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

I know it's just anecdotal, or maybe my age bracket, but I know more people in my circle who have been diagnosed with cancer since Covid than in the first 60+ years of my life.  My heart goes out to all of them, regardless of how they got it.

 

Best of luck with it.

 

😂.........I am laughing at you, not your chums...............😉

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22 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

That the vaccine causes "future health problems" is more fear-mongering on your team's part that has no solid scientific basis. 

 

 

I have stated this several times before already but it needs repeating that it is NOT the intent of the postings on this sub-forum to create fear and anxiety in the Covid-vaxxed.  

But it is to provide them in first instance with correct information about the adverse effects of the injections they took, and specifically that these adverse effects are not only short-term inconveniences and then magically disappear, but that they also have devastating longer-term effects when left untreated. 

So rather than ridiculing the studies, articles, anecdotes and personal experiences that provide undeniable evidence of the short and longer term harms of the shots, or being in denial about the phenomenon, the aim of posting this unsettling information is to make the vaxxed aware of that inconvenient truth.  Because it is only then that they might start looking into one or more of the many detoxing protocols that will slow down or stop a further decline of their health. 

The fact that the vaxxed are visiting this controversial sub-forum - even if it is just to ridicule or deny - is already an indication that deep-down they are not convinced that everything is fine, especially when they are slowly experiencing how the health of themselves and their loved ones is nose-diving.   

Also note that the sooner one starts the better, as even the best recovery protocols cannot do miracles once the harm has become irreversible.  

And it speaks for itself that the mainstream narrative to keep on taking the shots is the worst possible approach to restore their health.  

 

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

  Give us this day our daily jab, and protect us from the unvaccinated, as we will never forgive them, for thine is the placebo, "virtually" harmless" furthering the narrative, for ever and ever  .....safe and effective , Amen 

 

That's funny :biggrin:

 

Give us this day our monthly booster
And forgive us our doubts, as we get sicker
Give us the strength to explain our ailments
For it would have been so much worse.
Amen.

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

 

Another good example of what sources you believe in and what you present here! 

 

Absolutely fantastic and damaging 

 

Hundreds of studies published over four years but completely ignored, as if they simply did not exist… but this one is okay to print, we're not ignoring this one, we like THAT conclusion, "nothing to see, move on", yep, green light, send it to every media in the country now and don't forget to forward the script to the TV 'experts'.

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Hundreds of studies published over four years but completely ignored, as if they simply did not exist… but this one is okay to print, we're not ignoring this one, we like THAT conclusion, "nothing to see, move on", yep, green light, send it to every media outlet in the country now and don't forget to forward the script to the TV 'experts'.

 

Well your sources do not look credible at all, so? Why do you think they are ignored? even your presentation in your previous answer to me, and how Arialee and you pet your backs here shows the standard with your rhetorics and arguments. 

 

Anyway carry on, do what you are best at, it will not convince me, and the more of the same just shows how crazy and mental this is. 

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

Well your sources do not look credible at all, so? Why do you think they are ignored? even your presentation in your previous answer to me, and how Arialee and you pet your backs here shows the standard with your rhetorics and arguments. 

 

Anyway carry on, do what you are best at, it will not convince me, and the more of the same just shows how crazy and mental this is. 

 

Who draws the list of what is credible or not? Please be specific.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Who draws the list of what is credible or not? Please be specific.

 

Those who draw the line is those who you discredit, unfortunate the whole scientific environment who constantly working for us to make our life’s better and safer. 

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

 

Those who draw the line is those who you discredit, unfortunate the whole scientific environment who constantly working for us to make our life’s better and safer. 

 

That doesn't mean anything.

 

The list of what is credible or not is drawn by 'health' agencies paid by the pharmaceutical industry, then disseminated to the public by media outlets paid by the pharmaceutical industry.

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I wrote: the science consensus working out of parameters to secure false science being dismissed, and I then used AI to help me form my reply. 

 

Im lucky to come from a country where we still have a sound respect for science, but not 100% because we understand the science can be proven wrong, or new findings can change the results later on. That’s science. Im also from a country with trust in government and their recommendations, but Im still skeptic to general advises, as many others, but when it comes to general health and vaccines we have a high standard and also a population that mostly follow those recommendations. 

 

Myself have never had a flu shot, or anymore covid jabs than I needed to get my travel «passport», but I understand the collective responsibility we have when we live in a society. Americans I feel have a different experience, same as many Australians, so thats where my stand is. The democracy and the trust we have to our authorities is constantly being tested by their mistakes, abut also by hurtful conspiracies often linked to authoritarian foreign states who want to hurt our democracies. 

 

Do you think anything of what I wrote have some essens of truth? I do believe we would be better off with independent scientists in the future, but who is willing to sponser the costs? We are unfortunately locked in a free marked system, but the good thing with science, there will always be scientists trying to replicate and failproof earlier results. 

 

In god we trust, well, at least some do, I still trust science from trusted channels. 

 

 

In the context of the scientific method, 
scientific consensus refers to the collective position that experts in a given field take based on a thorough interpretation of available evidence. Rather than being a mere "vote," it is a consequence of rigorous processes designed to secure credible findings while dismissing false science. 
 
Parameters for Securing Reliable Science
The following parameters are typically used to filter out junk science and misinformation: 
  • Consilience of Evidence: Reaching a consensus requires multiple independent lines of high-quality evidence that converge on the same conclusion.
  • Reproducibility & Replication: A core self-correction mechanism where other researchers collect new data following the same methodology to see if results are consistent.
  • Social Diversity & Calibration: Consensus is strengthened when experts from different backgrounds and institutions reach the same conclusion, which helps guard against groupthink, bias, or financial incentives.
  • Falsifiability: For a claim to be scientific, it must be capable of being proven false. Theories that cannot be tested or that "explain away" negative findings with ad hoc hypotheses are often dismissed as pseudoscience. 
 
How False Science is Dismissed
The scientific community employs several gatekeeping mechanisms to identify and reject invalid claims: 
  • Peer Review: The formal process where impartial experts scrutinize a study’s methods and data before publication to ensure it meets field standards.
  • Skepticism and Open Inquiry: Scientists are trained to suspend judgment and systematically question information until sufficient evidence is presented.
  • Correction and Retraction: When errors or fraud are identified after publication, the scientific record is updated through corrections or full retractions of the work.
  • Weight of Evidence: Instead of "cherry-picking" single studies, scientists evaluate the totality of literature to identify which claims have the strongest supporting evidence at any given time. 
While scientific consensus provides the best available knowledge at a given time, it is not infallible and can be overturned when new, weightier evidence is discovered
7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

and I then used AI to help me form my reply. 

 

I would have thought the 'higher educated and smarter' folk would not need an aid (especially from an inherently flawed tool which is still in its beta version) to articulate and formulate their ideas.

 

Colour me astonished…

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I would have thought the 'higher educated and smarter' folk would not need an aid (especially from an inherently flawed tool which is still in its beta version) to articulate and formulate their ideas.

 

Colour me astonished…

Call it laziness, we know we talking to death ears, so 😉 

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1 hour ago, transam said:

........I am laughing at you, not your chums...............

 

'Cause that's just the kinda guy that you are.  Laughing at other people's misfortune.

 

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

I know it's just anecdotal, or maybe my age bracket, but I know more people in my circle who have been diagnosed with cancer since Covid than in the first 60+ years of my life.  My heart goes out to all of them, regardless of how they got it.

 

Best of luck with it.

 

There are things out there to help them.

 

They must forst open their minds. Not so easy for soem.

24 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Myself have never had a flu shot, or anymore covid jabs than I needed to get my travel «passport»

 

To my knowledge, if you went anywhere else than Indonesia or the US, you didn't need a jab to travel. I'm mentioning this because a lot of people gave this reason for receiving their jabs, based on rumours which were amplified to the point of becoming truths in the collective mind.

 

I travelled from Bangkok to Lyon via Geneva at the peak of the Covid crisis (November 2021) with a negative PCR test result which was checked once at the check-in counter at Suvarnabhumi, and nothing else was asked from me.

1 hour ago, rumak said:

"Correlation is not causality"      and then talk about ice cream .

 

That's correct. Correlation is not causality.

 

Also, you people are suggesting that the vaccine is a death sentence, as though other factors like diet or anything else you are doing for health don't contribute to anything. That's nonsense. 

 

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