President Donald Trump has increasingly pressured his administration to find widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election, despite those claims having been debunked and dismissed in dozens of cases by the courts.

 

The Justice Department has filed a lawsuit against Fulton County, Georgia, over records related to the 2020 election, escalating the Trump administration’s efforts to boost the president’s false claims that his loss to Joe Biden was rigged.

 

Citing a need to investigate “compliance with federal election law,” the lawsuit demands Georgia election officials turn over “all used and void ballots, stubs of all ballots, signature envelopes, and corresponding envelope digital files from the 2020 General Election in Fulton County.”

https://archive.ph/N6ApS

 

After cheering it on, ,I expect all the hardcore MAGA supporters to claim some kind of face-saving victory when this investigation fails. 

 

From the linked WaPo article via Archive:

 

The Justice Department has filed a lawsuit against Fulton County, Georgia, over records related to the 2020 election, escalating the Trump administration’s efforts to boost the president’s false claims that his loss to Joe Biden was rigged.

 

NB So if Trump can prove that the 2020 election was rigged and he should have been President as of 20JAN2021, does that mean his current presidency is void?

5 years later, Trump is still ridiculously whining about the 2020 election, during which he was beaten flat and square! 🤣

12 minutes ago, candide said:

5 years later, Trump is still ridiculously whining about the 2020 election, during which he was beaten flat and square! 🤣

 

If there's nothing to hide, why are they trying so hard to hide it?

 

Plus, you do realize the hypocrisy of screeching for 20 year old Epstein private files that affect a few dozen people and haven't implicated Trump, then making an issue of 5 year old election files that, by law, belong to the people and affect everyone in the USA, and the world.

 

11 minutes ago, impulse said:

Plus, you do realize the hypocrisy of screeching for 20 year old Epstein private files that affect a few dozen people and haven't implicated Trump,

And nobody cared. Until a presidential candidate put it in the voter"s minds, with the promise to release all. 

52 U.S.C. § 20701 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 52. Voting and Elections § 20701. Retention and preservation of records and papers by officers of elections; deposit with custodian; penalty for violation

 

Every officer of election shall retain and preserve, for a period of twenty-two months from the date of any general, special, or primary election of which candidates for the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, 

 

From the DoJ complaint:

 

The Civil Rights Act
12. Congress empowered the Attorney General to request records pursuant
to Title III of the CRA, codified at 52 U.S.C. § 20701, et seq

13. Section 301 of the CRA requires state and local officials to retain and
preserve records related to voter registration and other acts requisite to voting for any federal office for a period of twenty-two months after any federal general, special or primary election. See 52 U.S.C. § 20701, et seq

_______________________________

“We will not hand over Coloradans’ sensitive voting information to Donald Trump. He does not have a legal right to the information,” Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold (D) said Thursday after the lawsuit was filed, according to The Associated Press.

State leaders say they are legally obligated to conceal documents with personally identifiable information such as voters’ names, birth dates, addresses and driver’s license numbers or partial Social Security numbers.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5647574-doj-lawsuit-2020-election-data/

 

14 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

State leaders say they are legally obligated to conceal documents with personally identifiable information such as voters’ names, birth dates, addresses and driver’s license numbers or partial Social Security numbers.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5647574-doj-lawsuit-2020-election-data/

 

All of which the gub'ment already has access to, as a function of taxing them and providing services to them.  That's a ridiculous argument. 

 

They're hiding the voter rolls because there's a bunch of dead people, non-residents, fictitious people and non-citizens on them.  There are people registered from gas stations and vacant lots.  There are people who illegally vote in several states.

 

Personally, I think we deserve to know how many of them.  Whether it's enough to affect the outcomes on a local, state or national level.

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

If there's nothing to hide, why are they trying so hard to hide it?

 

Plus, you do realize the hypocrisy of screeching for 20 year old Epstein private files that affect a few dozen people and haven't implicated Trump, then making an issue of 5 year old election files that, by law, belong to the people and affect everyone in the USA, and the world.

 

Who is "they"? 

 

As concerns the Epstein files, it's been a MAGA hoax to smear Dems until early this year! Bondi had them on her desk and MAGA posters were salivating about it.

 

And ooops! Suddenly it became an old story! 

 

Trump has been lying about the "stollen" election for 5 years, despite the fact that each and every GOP lawsuit, recount and audit failed ( including in Fulton County, I guess)! 

 

 

The statute 20701 cited by the DoJ cites a 22 month required holding period.

 

The single Count states:

 

Any record or paper required by section 20701 of this title to be retained and preserved shall, upon demand in writing by the Attorney General or his representative directed to the person having custody, possession, or control of such record or paper, be made available for inspection, reproduction, and copying at the principal office of such custodian by the Attorney General or his representative. This demand shall contain a statement of the basis and the purpose therefor.

 

 

15 minutes ago, impulse said:

They're hiding the voter rolls because there's a bunch of dead people, non-residents, fictitious people and non-citizens on them.  There are people registered from gas stations and vacant lots.  There are people who illegally vote in several states.

That what Trump claims. That says it all! 

But what if all the dead people, non-residents, fictitious people and non-citizens voted for Trump.

38 minutes ago, candide said:

That what Trump claims. That says it all! 

 

It sure does.  But he's hardly the only one:

 

In 2014, the academic journal Electoral Studies published a groundbreaking study by three scholars who estimated how frequently non-citizens were illegally voting. Based on data for the 2008 presidential and congressional elections, the study found that:

 

“roughly one quarter of non-citizens” in the U.S. “were likely registered to vote.”

“6.4% of non-citizens actually voted.”

81.8% of them “reported voting for Barack Obama.”

 

illegal votes cast by non-citizens “likely” changed “important election outcomes” in favor of Democrats, “including Electoral College votes” and a “pivotal” U.S. Senate race that enabled Democrats to pass Obamacare. 

 

https://www.justfacts.com/news_non-citizen_voter_registration

 

And that was long before Trump even hit the political scene

 

For 2020:

 

Based on current population data from the Census Bureau and voting data from previous elections, Just Facts has conducted a study to estimate the number of votes illegally cast by non-citizens in the battleground states of the 2020 election. The results—documented in this spreadsheet—show that such fraudulent activities netted Joe Biden the following extra votes in these tightly contested states:

 

Arizona: 51,081 ± 17,689

Georgia: 54,950 ± 19,025

Michigan: 22,585 ± 7,842

Nevada: 22,021 ± 7,717

North Carolina: 46,218 ± 16,001

Pennsylvania: 32,706 ± 11,332

Wisconsin: 5,010 ± 1,774

 

These estimates account for just one type of election fraud, and they tend to understate it because they depend on Census surveys, which are known to undercount non-citizens.

 

https://www.justfactsdaily.com/quantifying-illegal-votes-cast-by-non-citizens-in-the-battleground-states-of-the-2020-presidential-election

 

You wanna know how we can tell for sure?  Make the states turn over their voter data.  And if they don't, ask them what they're hiding.

 

Edit:  This also goes a long way toward explaining why Dems wanted the borders open and why they're fighting tooth and nail to keep illegals from being deported.  Even rapists and murderers.

19 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

It sure does.  But he's hardly the only one:

 

In 2014, the academic journal Electoral Studies published a groundbreaking study by three scholars who estimated how frequently non-citizens were illegally voting. Based on data for the 2008 presidential and congressional elections, the study found that:

 

“roughly one quarter of non-citizens” in the U.S. “were likely registered to vote.”

“6.4% of non-citizens actually voted.”

81.8% of them “reported voting for Barack Obama.”

 

illegal votes cast by non-citizens “likely” changed “important election outcomes” in favor of Democrats, “including Electoral College votes” and a “pivotal” U.S. Senate race that enabled Democrats to pass Obamacare. 

 

https://www.justfacts.com/news_non-citizen_voter_registration

 

And that was long before Trump even hit the political scene

 

For 2020:

 

Based on current population data from the Census Bureau and voting data from previous elections, Just Facts has conducted a study to estimate the number of votes illegally cast by non-citizens in the battleground states of the 2020 election. The results—documented in this spreadsheet—show that such fraudulent activities netted Joe Biden the following extra votes in these tightly contested states:

 

Arizona: 51,081 ± 17,689

Georgia: 54,950 ± 19,025

Michigan: 22,585 ± 7,842

Nevada: 22,021 ± 7,717

North Carolina: 46,218 ± 16,001

Pennsylvania: 32,706 ± 11,332

Wisconsin: 5,010 ± 1,774

 

These estimates account for just one type of election fraud, and they tend to understate it because they depend on Census surveys, which are known to undercount non-citizens.

 

https://www.justfactsdaily.com/quantifying-illegal-votes-cast-by-non-citizens-in-the-battleground-states-of-the-2020-presidential-election

 

You wanna know how we can tell for sure?  Make the states turn over their voter data.  And if they don't, ask them what they're hiding.

 

Edit:  This also goes a long way toward explaining why Dems wanted the borders open and why they're fighting tooth and nail to keep illegals from being deported.  Even rapists and murderers.

In other words, no proof! 

 

Fulton county has been probably the most audited county after the 2020 election, and nothing significant was found.

 

On top of it, Biden got twice more votes than Trump, in this dominantly Dem county. There's no way that the difference between Biden and Trump, more than 140,000 votes, could result from fraud. That's simply ridiculous!

 

"Finally, the machine recount, requested by Trump, reported 523,779 votes cast for president in Fulton County. Trump received 137,247 of those votes, a net gain of seven votes; and Biden received 380,212 of the votes, a net loss of 932 votes."

https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/may/24/fact-checking-misleading-claims-of-2020-election-f/

 

It's just the latest pathetic attempt by Trump to substantiate his lies! 

 

42 minutes ago, candide said:

In other words, no proof! 

 

Fulton county has been probably the most audited county after the 2020 election, and nothing significant was found

 

 

How can they audit what hasn't been turned over?

 

DOJ sues for Atlanta-area voting data from 2020 election

 

The lawsuit asks for all ballot materials from Fulton County, where Trump faced criminal charges related to election interference in Georgia.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/12/12/trump-2020-election-georgia-lawsuit-00689593

 

Ask yourself, if there's nothing to hide, why are they fighting so hard to hide it, 5 years later?

 

BTW, you can tell Politico are a bunch of hacks when they refer to the hotbed of false election fraud conspiracy theories before the evidence is even turned over.  They can't possibly know the theories are false until the evidence is turned over.

41 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

How can they audit what hasn't been turned over?

 

DOJ sues for Atlanta-area voting data from 2020 election

 

The lawsuit asks for all ballot materials from Fulton County, where Trump faced criminal charges related to election interference in Georgia.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/12/12/trump-2020-election-georgia-lawsuit-00689593

 

Ask yourself, if there's nothing to hide, why are they fighting so hard to hide it, 5 years later?

 

BTW, you can tell Politico are a bunch of hacks when they refer to the hotbed of false election fraud conspiracy theories before the evidence is even turned over.  They can't possibly know the theories are false until the evidence is turned over.

Lol! After 5 years of failed GOP lawsuits, recounts and audits! 🤣

 

Read Jerry's post, it's illegal in this State to provide this information.

 

BTW, Raffensberger is a Republican!

 

BTW, the source you tried to sneak in (Agresti) in a previous post has been already debunked, as expected!

 

One independent researcher, James Agresti, published a re-interpretation of a widely discredited 2014 paper to make untenable conclusions about non-citizen voting behavior in 2024. No "new study" concluded that 10 to 27% of noncitizens in the U.S. are registered to vote.

The paper on which this claim is based produced estimates of noncitizen voter participation that even its author, Jesse Richman, no longer agrees with. The scientists responsible for collecting the data Richman used say it was a wildly inappropriate use of their data. 

Despite these new developments, Agresti still relies on outdated estimates from that paper that are widely considered to be useless. Nonetheless, Agresti told Snopes he stands by his work.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/noncitizens-registered-to-vote/

 

In summary, you still have nothing! 🤣

 

 

1 hour ago, Bannoi said:

But what if all the dead people, non-residents, fictitious people and non-citizens voted for Trump.

The only documented cheating in that election was a Republican in NC who was caught filling out mail in ballots for elderly and of course all the votes were for Republicans.

AI quickie Gemini:

 

The Allegation: The DOJ's lawsuit claims that Fulton County is in violation of federal law, specifically 52 U.S.C. § 20701, by refusing to provide these records for inspection after a formal written demand.

Fulton County's Position: County officials have stated they previously declined the request because state law requires these materials to be held under seal and cannot be released without a court order.

4 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

52 U.S.C. § 20701 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 52. Voting and Elections § 20701. Retention and preservation of records and papers by officers of elections; deposit with custodian; penalty for violation

 

Every officer of election shall retain and preserve, for a period of twenty-two months from the date of any general, special, or primary election of which candidates for the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, 

 

From the DoJ complaint:

 

The Civil Rights Act
12. Congress empowered the Attorney General to request records pursuant
to Title III of the CRA, codified at 52 U.S.C. § 20701, et seq

13. Section 301 of the CRA requires state and local officials to retain and
preserve records related to voter registration and other acts requisite to voting for any federal office for a period of twenty-two months after any federal general, special or primary election. See 52 U.S.C. § 20701, et seq

_______________________________

“We will not hand over Coloradans’ sensitive voting information to Donald Trump. He does not have a legal right to the information,” Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold (D) said Thursday after the lawsuit was filed, according to The Associated Press.

State leaders say they are legally obligated to conceal documents with personally identifiable information such as voters’ names, birth dates, addresses and driver’s license numbers or partial Social Security numbers.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5647574-doj-lawsuit-2020-election-data/

 

Give a link to the complaint

 

7 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

President Donald Trump has increasingly pressured his administration to find widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election, despite those claims having been debunked and dismissed in dozens of cases by the courts.

 

The Justice Department has filed a lawsuit against Fulton County, Georgia, over records related to the 2020 election, escalating the Trump administration’s efforts to boost the president’s false claims that his loss to Joe Biden was rigged.

 

Citing a need to investigate “compliance with federal election law,” the lawsuit demands Georgia election officials turn over “all used and void ballots, stubs of all ballots, signature envelopes, and corresponding envelope digital files from the 2020 General Election in Fulton County.”

https://archive.ph/N6ApS

 

After cheering it on, ,I expect all the hardcore MAGA supporters to claim some kind of face-saving victory when this investigation fails. 

 

Getting nervous a bit?

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

 

 

Getting nervous a bit?

Making it personal means just one thing: you've got nothing.

36 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

AI quickie Gemini:

 

The Allegation: The DOJ's lawsuit claims that Fulton County is in violation of federal law, specifically 52 U.S.C. § 20701, by refusing to provide these records for inspection after a formal written demand.

Fulton County's Position: County officials have stated they previously declined the request because state law requires these materials to be held under seal and cannot be released without a court order.

Also, as you quoted earlier: 

"This demand shall contain a statement of the basis and the purpose therefor"

In other words, the government can't just go on a fishing expedition in the hope of finding something.

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Give a link to the complaint

It's already in there

37 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Making it personal means just one thing: you've got nothing.

So you are getting nervous LOL

23 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So you are getting nervous LOL

Albert Einstein is widely credited, if inaccurately, with saying, ""Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

The same goes for stupidity. 

You've still got nothing.

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Albert Einstein is widely credited, if inaccurately, with saying, ""Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

The same goes for stupidity. 

You've still got nothing.

Oh my getting real nervous..pounding its keyboard LOL

5 hours ago, impulse said:

 

All of which the gub'ment already has access to, as a function of taxing them and providing services to them.  That's a ridiculous argument. 

 

They're hiding the voter rolls because there's a bunch of dead people, non-residents, fictitious people and non-citizens on them.  There are people registered from gas stations and vacant lots.  There are people who illegally vote in several states.

 

Personally, I think we deserve to know how many of them.  Whether it's enough to affect the outcomes on a local, state or national level.

 

If they're hiding them how do you know there's a bunch of dead people, non-residents, fictitious people and non-citizens ect? Also why do the DOJ not know what you do? Should they just come to you and make use of your knowledge?

1 minute ago, kimamey said:

 

If they're hiding them how do you know there's a bunch of dead people, non-residents, fictitious people and non-citizens ect? Also why do the DOJ not know what you do? Should they just come to you and make use of your knowledge?

 

Because that's what they're finding in the voter rolls from other states that have been turned over and scrutinized.

 

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

Because that's what they're finding in the voter rolls from other states that have been turned over and scrutinized.

 

No, Lies! Elections are perfect. Machine Democrats have never manipulated elections

12 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Because that's what they're finding in the voter rolls from other states that have been turned over and scrutinized.

 

Care to share any links to support that claim?

12 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Because that's what they're finding in the voter rolls from other states that have been turned over and scrutinized.

 

Can you show evidence of it, or are you just making that up?

13 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Because that's what they're finding in the voter rolls from other states that have been turned over and scrutinized.

 

As already requested by another poster, link please.