2 minutes ago, newnative said:

Nice try. You know exactly what the brief is. ICE has no authority to get involved in a traffic situation, which this was--a vehicle partially blocking traffic. Absolutely nothing to do with ICE. They had no warrant for any occupant of the vehicle and no reason to justify approaching the vehicle. They should have obeyed the law, notified the traffic police, and drove on.

Do they have authority to stop people from interfering in federal activities ?

Which is exactly what she did.

1 minute ago, newnative said:

Nice try. You know exactly what the brief is. ICE has no authority to get involved in a traffic situation, which this was--a vehicle partially blocking traffic. Absolutely nothing to do with ICE. They had no warrant for any occupant of the vehicle and no reason to justify approaching the vehicle. They should have obeyed the law, notified the traffic police, and drove on.

Interfering with federal officers in performance of their duties in not a traffic violation.

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, per the left, ICE can do nothing about anyone that interferes with their enforcement activities.

Exactly. They love Mob rule.

Just now, blaze master said:

Do they have authority to stop people from interfering in federal activities ?

Which is exactly what she did.

She was not interfering in any federal activities. The agents were in their car, driving somewhere. Maybe on a donut run. In any case, they should have continued to drive and let the local traffic police handle the possible traffic violation.

29 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Seems you fell a bit short in your claims. Deflectiony as usual when you have no proof

Au contraire, you have been totally humiliated as anyone who has the slightest knowledge of US law knows.

30 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Yeah its called the internet and you can look up all kinds of facts

I gave you a case, care to comment about it?

3 minutes ago, newnative said:

She was not interfering in any federal activities. The agents were in their car, driving somewhere. Maybe on a donut run. In any case, they should have continued to drive and let the local traffic police handle the possible traffic violation.

She was intentionally blocking the road, for no other reason than to interfere with them.

2 minutes ago, newnative said:

She was not interfering in any federal activities. The agents were in their car, driving somewhere. Maybe on a donut run. In any case, they should have continued to drive and let the local traffic police handle the possible traffic violation.

If she wasn't interfering why was she parked on the road for over 3 minutes at an active investigation ? She just happened to be in the neighborhood after dropping Tommy at soccer ?

Why was her wife on the road filming officers ?

They knew exactly what they were doing and it was the sole purpose of them being there. Saying otherwise is disingenuous or obtuse.

2 minutes ago, newnative said:

She was not interfering in any federal activities

Sure she was, thats what she was trained to do. But Thats a question of fact for a jury to determine if she was arrested. Unfortunately, she was killed while trying to assault a Federal Officer doing his duty to rid out nation of garbage illegal alien felons that each and every one of the critics of ICE support.

At least she died fast, as opposed to the last moments of terror Jocelyn Nungary went through as she was raped, beaten and strangled to death by the folks your ilk support.

The Democrats have blood on their hands that will never wash away.

1 minute ago, blaze master said:

Was trump criminally convicted of rape ?

Im in no way standing up for him. But we need to make sure reality is clear.

The judge who handled the case had this to say:

As the court explained in its recent decision denying Mr Trump’s motion for a new trial on damages and other relief [in the New York case] … based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury’s verdict as a whole, the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr Trump in fact did ‘rape’ Ms Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law.”

Under NY law he was convicted on the lesser charge of sexual abuse due to the type of rape involved. As I said in my earlier post, what a state we are in even debating this issue in the context of a president of the US. We have been in the Twilight Zone for sometime now, and it seems to be getting darker every day.

1 hour ago, blaze master said:

Frightened? What a misleading comment.

She was so Frightened that she sat in her car honking her horn over and over bobbing up and down in glee before the shooting. Then she speaks to the officer in a condescending voice when confronted. Showing how scared she was.

Ya she was so scared.

Keeping in mind she initiated the confrontation.

Maybe, just maybe she didn’t think there was a threat.

But she also spoke condescendingly so of course, she deserves to die.

Just now, johnnybangkok said:

Maybe, just maybe she didn’t think there was a threat.

But she also spoke condescendingly so of course, she deserves to die.

Who said she deserved to die ? Not me.

42 minutes ago, blaze master said:

She pressed on the accelerator before the gun was drawn.

Go to around 6:30 timestamp.

Sorry, it's still not clear for me, from that video, if the agent was holding his gun when she blazed him during her effort to get away. My eyesight is supposed to be decent, last I checked.

He shot one time through the front of the window, so he must have had it at that moment, as far as I can understand this scenario.

I think you are wrong.

Just now, thaibreaker said:

Sorry, it's still not clear for me, from that video, if the agent was holding his gun when she blazed him during her effort to get away. My eyesight is supposed to be decent, last I checked.

He shot one time through the front of the window, so he must have had it at that moment, as far as I can understand this scenario.

I think you are wrong.

Im not. The accelerator was pressed before the gun was drawn. You can clearly see the wheels spin...due to poor road conditions ...a brief moment before the gun was pulled. Keeping in mind the officer is very good with firearms. In no way is this comment justifying his reaction. So his reaction time is above average. He is after all a firearms trainer and a decades long government official.

The video shows that at the timestamp i gave.

There is no debate about that as far as im concerned. Many other things about this scenario can be debated but this isn't one of them.

10 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Who said she deserved to die ? Not me.

You did say “. Then she speaks to the officer in a condescending voice when confronted” as if it’s some sort of provocation. And you call us snowflakes.

Spin it as best you can in your small MAGA brain but there was absolutely no justification to shoot a mother 3 times because she did the equivalent of someone running over your toes.

These are I’ll- educated, I’ll prepared, under trained, indoctrinated idiots pretending to understand the nuances of proper law enforcement.

Why you are not at least understanding there are laws that govern all this shows everyone that all you want is anarchy.

5 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You did say “. Then she speaks to the officer in a condescending voice when confronted” as if it’s some sort of provocation. And you call us snowflakes.

Spin it as best you can in your small MAGA brain but there was absolutely no justification to shoot a mother 3 times because she did the equivalent of someone running over your toes.

These are I’ll- educated, I’ll prepared, under trained, indoctrinated idiots pretending to understand the nuances of proper law enforcement.

Why you are not at least understanding there are laws that govern all this shows everyone that all you want is anarchy.

And her sitting in her car obstructing federal officers honking and bobbing in glee ? For over 3 minutes.

She was there to provocate.

As ive stated many times no she didnt deserve to be shot.

Im not maga and your personal insult is against forum rules.

She didnt run over his toes she hit the officer with her car.

This particular untrained idiot has a long history of training and experience. Decades of federal law enforcement actually.

Ps....he was hired under Obama.

52 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Im not. The accelerator was pressed before the gun was drawn. You can clearly see the wheels spin...due to poor road conditions ...a brief moment before the gun was pulled. Keeping in mind the officer is very good with firearms. In no way is this comment justifying his reaction. So his reaction time is above average. He is after all a firearms trainer and a decades long government official.

The video shows that at the timestamp i gave.

There is no debate about that as far as im concerned. Many other things about this scenario can be debated but this isn't one of them.

Either way, it doesn't make any difference, the question has been, and will be, whether the shooting was justified. And I can't see anything here, or in any other videos, that justifies the use of firearms. When you aim at the head at someone, you should really be in great danger, and clearly he wasn't. You just don't stop a vehicle moving away from the scene, with shooting bullets at the face of the driver, not once, but three times. This act is crying out rage, and we can hear the words "fu...ing bitch" as well, after the shots were fired.

When you are in a state like this, with this much rage, you should never be in the immigration police force to begin with. I hope he will be prosecuted and punished for this murder.

8 hours ago, blaze master said:

This particular untrained idiot has a long history of training and experience. Decades of federal law enforcement actually.

REDUX

NB 2: The real liability here may lie not with the shooter but with the ICE/DHS supervision entity that may have allowed J. Ross to be on active duty following his dragging incident and should have still been on desk duty. This may explain why an otherwise experienced and well-trained officer made a rookie mistake by standing in front of the car.

39 minutes ago, thaibreaker said:

Either way, it doesn't make any difference, the question has been, and will be, whether the shooting was justified. And I can't see anything here, or in any other videos, that justifies the use of firearms. When you aim at the head at someone, you should really be in great danger, and clearly he wasn't. You just don't stop a vehicle moving away from the scene, with shooting bullets at the face of the driver, not once, but three times. This act is crying out rage, and we can hear the words "fu...ing bitch" as well, after the shots were fired.

When you are in a state like this, with this much rage, you should never be in the immigration police force to begin with. I hope he will be prosecuted and punished for this murder.

I dont think it was rage. I think it was fear. This officer should have never been in the field that day. 6 months on from another event involving a moving car.

This is a failure of the entire system. His immediate superiors and medical officials who cleared him for duty are also liable in my mind.

Decades of mismanagement from American officials have led to this.

2 minutes ago, JerryM said:

REDUX

NB 2: The real liability here may lie not with the shooter but with the ICE/DHS supervision entity that may have allowed J. Ross to be on active duty following his dragging incident and should have still been on desk duty. This may explain why an otherwise experienced and well-trained officer made a rookie mistake by standing in front of the car.

A total system failure many decades in the making.

Off topic deflection posts and replies about rape charges against Trump have been removed.

9 hours ago, thaibreaker said:

I hope he will be prosecuted and punished for this murder.

REDUX

For criminal charges, even if the Bondi-DoJ would empanel a grand jury and go for indictment, established case law is highly favorable to those making instantaneous life/death decisions.

9 hours ago, blaze master said:

And her sitting in her car obstructing federal officers honking and bobbing in glee ? For over 3 minutes.

She was there to provocate.

As ive stated many times no she didnt deserve to be shot.

Im not maga and your personal insult is against forum rules.

She didnt run over his toes she hit the officer with her car.

This particular untrained idiot has a long history of training and experience. Decades of federal law enforcement actually.

Ps....he was hired under Obama.

Ahh the famous 'I'm not MAGA' despite continuosly supporting Trump and his lunacy.

You again seem to be missing the very main point of all of this (deliberately I would guess). There are VERY clear rules to when law enforcement can/cannot use lethal force. I've already quoted you from the DOJ's own website 'Officers may use force only when no reasonably effective, safe, and feasible alternative appears to exist and may use only the level of force that a reasonable officer on the scene would use under the same or similar circumstances' https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force. I've also clearly shown you that 'most police departments and federal guidance bar shooting at a moving vehicle unless the driver poses an imminent threat of deadly force beyond the car itself.'

If as you say she was 'sitting in her car obstructing federal officers honking and bobbing in glee for over 3 minutes' (irrelevant of course, but you did say it) then how does that lead to your next 'point' 'She was there to provocate?' We can all see from Ross's own video she was seen smiling at Ross with her left arm hanging out the window. She is then heard to say “That’s fine, dude, I’m not mad at you,” If you think this is provocation then I have some really nice pearls for you to clutch.

There are plenty of outcomes that could have come from this. There was no visible signs of any great injury to Ross, backed up by the fact he was quickly released from hospital. If Good did hit Ross (still debateable), then it was nothing more than a glancing bump and in no way constitutes him pumping 3 bullets into her head. You insist that Ross 'has a long history of training and experience', yet in those very crucial seconds, rather than de-escalate a situation (as proper law enforcement are trained to do), he decided that deadly force was the way to go.

At the very least this whole situation requires a deep investigation by the proper authorities (does anyone believe Patels FBI are going to do the right thing?) rather than the nonsense coming out of Noems, Trumps and Vance's mouth. They have already hijacked the narrative and are not even entertaining that this ICE agent made a bad, split-second choice that resulted in the death of this woman. It's disgusting but entirely in keeping with this current administration.

She really was a horrible agitator.

The video below shows her blocking the street and beeping her horn incessantly, with absolutely no respect for the local community who can't get to work or live in their own house in peace.

She even does a little dance in her car at 0:18 as she shows her contempt for people trying to go about their daily business. Following the ramming of the agent, her last dance, as it would transpire.

"Returning from dropping the kids off at school". Yeah right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsVrlJWdRUw

1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

That’s fine, dude, I’m not mad at you,” If you think this is provocation then I have some really nice pearls for you to clutch

Just the words of a sincere soccer mom right.

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

If as you say she was 'sitting in her car obstructing federal officers honking and bobbing in glee for over 3 minutes' (irrelevant of course, but you did say it) then how does that lead to your next 'point' 'She was there to provocate?'

Very relevant. She was there to provocate.

No one knows what threat the officer felt. Only he was in that situation.

I personally think the road conditions that caused the tires to spin and engine to rev from her pressing the accelerator caused him to panic. This is due to his history and ptsd. As I have also stated I dont believe he should of been at work in the field. This is a massive failure of the entire system.

Now please if you may. Point out my comments supporting Trump. Ill wait but youll go quiet or give the same npc response as the others. I could even pre type it.

Try some critical thinking and less clouded judgements due to your own political bias and ideology.

9 hours ago, thaibreaker said:

Either way, it doesn't make any difference, the question has been, and will be, whether the shooting was justified. And I can't see anything here, or in any other videos, that justifies the use of firearms. When you aim at the head at someone, you should really be in great danger, and clearly he wasn't. You just don't stop a vehicle moving away from the scene, with shooting bullets at the face of the driver, not once, but three times. This act is crying out rage, and we can hear the words "fu...ing bitch" as well, after the shots were fired.

When you are in a state like this, with this much rage, you should never be in the immigration police force to begin with. I hope he will be prosecuted and punished for this murder.

Based on the law the shooting was justified.

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

She really was a horrible agitator.

The video below shows her blocking the street and beeping her horn incessantly, with absolutely no respect for the local community who can't get to work or live in their own house in peace.

She even does a little dance in her car at 0:18 as she shows her contempt for people trying to go about their daily business. Following the ramming of the agent, her last dance, as it would transpire.

"Returning from dropping the kids off at school". Yeah right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsVrlJWdRUw

There is an extensive network of individuals dedicated to tracking Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and attempting to obstruct the enforcement of federal law. The most concerning aspect is the support for this interference from elected Democrats. They should be honest about their stance: they do not support the enforcement of immigration laws and favor open borders. This is the same party that allowed the protests following George Floyd's death to escalate. The Democrats seem to thrive on this chaos. This raises a question about the motivations behind the actions of some progressive white women. Are they facing mental health challenges?

On 1/8/2026 at 5:29 AM, JerryM said:

What an IDIOT!

19 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

Based on the law the shooting was justified.

The law and case history at Supreme Court level makes it very difficult to prosecute this type of police action resulting in death.

14 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

Based on the law the shooting was justified.

What law justifies the shooting?

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Just now, stevenl said:

What law justifies the shooting?

Tennessee V. Garner

471 US 1 (1985)

Grahams V. Connor

490 US 386 (1989)

This cases define how officers will be judged when using deadly force.

She hit the officer with the vehicle. Which is a serous threat to the officer.