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The Serious Discussions Likely Taking Place in NATO Capitals

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It is an absolute certainty that in NATO capitals today, as well as in the halls of power of NATO member nations, there are some hushed-tone discussions taking place about how to address Trump’s threats.

 

As fantastical as it sounds, there is likely serious consideration taking place about literally taking Trump out. Even more fantastical, however, is the fact that Trump has threatened military force against an ally and NATO member. His threats must be taken seriously, and undoubtedly they are.

 

Article 5 of the NATO Charter demands member nations respond to aggression against a fellow member, so it would be a dereliction of duty not to be having these discussions.

 

Trump represents a threat to a NATO member. NATO will not engage in a first strike, but undoubtedly it will respond if Trump actually unleashes military force against Greenland. It must be so. The world would both demand and support it, as would a majority of Americans.

 

It is not unreasonable to assume plans are being drawn up as to how to remove Trump. There may be mock-ups of Mar-a-Lago being constructed, the same way the US constructed mock-ups of Osama bin Laden’s Abbottabad refuge. Plans under consideration would include a direct assault, or some sort of tactical weapon that would vaporize Mar-a-Lago. Also to be considered would be how to get Trump when he’s on one of his golf courses, as that would minimize collateral damage.

 

Certainly France and Germany, inter alia, have commando teams with the skills and talents necessary to carry out such an attack, particularly since they’d only be dealing with civilian Secret Service. Recall that those types even missed a pimply-faced kid who took a shot at Trump during a campaign rally. They would be no match for the French or Germans.

 

Some might think the US would respond to the removal of Trump, but I would guess truly patriotic generals, who are well aware of the benefit the US has gotten from NATO membership since the alliance’s founding, would quash any attempt by their drunkard Secretary to retaliate.

 

The aggression Trump has threatened is illegal both within NATO and by international law. It would have to be addressed, and likely with violence. He would be bringing it on himself, and he would get what he deserved.

 

The fact that these matters are with near absolute certainty being discussed today is an indication of just how far the US has sunk in the world’s eyes under Trump. Even some Republican Congresspeople have stated that should Trump launch military action against Greenland, that would be an impeachable offense. NATO members cannot impeach, so their response would have to be far more serious.

 

If Trump has any sane people in his entire Administration, they would be wise to inform Trump of this possibility, even likelihood.

 

The thinking within NATO would be that rabid dogs must be put down.

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    Sure. Americans are desperate to get back to boys being girls, open borders with welfare for all and more banana republic lawfare. Democrats have the approval rating of genital warts.

  • The US is the 800-pound gorilla in Nato. If you had any thoughts that European leaders might stand up to Trump the pic below should disabuse you of them. That sorry lot is terrified of Trump, or, more

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3 hours ago, Wingate said:

It is an absolute certainty that in NATO capitals today, as well as in the halls of power of NATO member nations, there are some hushed-tone discussions taking place about how to address Trump’s threats.

 

As fantastical as it sounds, there is likely serious consideration taking place about literally taking Trump out. Even more fantastical, however, is the fact that Trump has threatened military force against an ally and NATO member. His threats must be taken seriously, and undoubtedly they are.

 

Article 5 of the NATO Charter demands member nations respond to aggression against a fellow member, so it would be a dereliction of duty not to be having these discussions.

 

Trump represents a threat to a NATO member. NATO will not engage in a first strike, but undoubtedly it will respond if Trump actually unleashes military force against Greenland. It must be so. The world would both demand and support it, as would a majority of Americans.

 

It is not unreasonable to assume plans are being drawn up as to how to remove Trump. There may be mock-ups of Mar-a-Lago being constructed, the same way the US constructed mock-ups of Osama bin Laden’s Abbottabad refuge. Plans under consideration would include a direct assault, or some sort of tactical weapon that would vaporize Mar-a-Lago. Also to be considered would be how to get Trump when he’s on one of his golf courses, as that would minimize collateral damage.

 

Certainly France and Germany, inter alia, have commando teams with the skills and talents necessary to carry out such an attack, particularly since they’d only be dealing with civilian Secret Service. Recall that those types even missed a pimply-faced kid who took a shot at Trump during a campaign rally. They would be no match for the French or Germans.

 

Some might think the US would respond to the removal of Trump, but I would guess truly patriotic generals, who are well aware of the benefit the US has gotten from NATO membership since the alliance’s founding, would quash any attempt by their drunkard Secretary to retaliate.

 

The aggression Trump has threatened is illegal both within NATO and by international law. It would have to be addressed, and likely with violence. He would be bringing it on himself, and he would get what he deserved.

 

The fact that these matters are with near absolute certainty being discussed today is an indication of just how far the US has sunk in the world’s eyes under Trump. Even some Republican Congresspeople have stated that should Trump launch military action against Greenland, that would be an impeachable offense. NATO members cannot impeach, so their response would have to be far more serious.

 

If Trump has any sane people in his entire Administration, they would be wise to inform Trump of this possibility, even likelihood.

 

The thinking within NATO would be that rabid dogs must be put down.

I encourage the member nations of NATO to kick the USA out of NATO, and close all US bases in Europe.

7 minutes ago, Wingate said:

France and Germany are similar in that regard to looking at a wide range of options. Remember France sank the Rainbow Warrior in 1986.

Whoa! Maybe France should move up sinking a few Russian ships.

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There has been a certain order to the world since the end of the Second War. It has its faults, but it has served most of the world rather well. Trump, in his childishness, ignorance and insanity has messed up that order and threatens the prosperity that has lifted billions from poverty and brought relative peace and stability to the world.

 

The world will be put back in order. Parties have too much to lose. The US no longer has any allies, but former allies are closer than ever to each other. No one in Berlin, Paris, London or Tokyo would be sad to see Trump gone. If he continues to threaten peace and stability, they will act. In times of crisis, nations do things that might seem unthinkable.

 

With Trump talking over the weekend that Greenland is just a first step, and Canada will be the next target, these conversations are taking place. Every eventuality is planned for, from basic to extreme. Leaders of major nations know that the US is not going to retaliate with strategic weapons if Trump is taken out. Save for his drunkard SecDef, plenty of star and flag officers would also be happy if Trump was gone.

 

There would be deniability by whatever unit does the needful. His demise would be the fodder for yet another conspiracy theory. Was it a disgruntled American lone wolf? A foreign power? A coalition of the willing?

 

If cooler heads who have Trump’s ear get the message to him about what former allies would do in the event of military action against Greenland, he may give it up. He is, after all, a coward.

 

7 hours ago, Wingate said:

Article 5 of the NATO Charter demands member nations respond to aggression against a fellow member, so it would be a dereliction of duty not to be having these discussions.

Not exactly.

Article 4 calls for discussions.

Article 5 calls on..........this is a suggestion, not a demand............member nations to respond to alleged aggression "in the manner they deem suitable."

That manner could be a military response, it could be tariffs, it could be a boycott of the superb bowl, or could merely be sternly-worded letters to the ambassador.

The US is the 800-pound gorilla in Nato. If you had any thoughts that European leaders might stand up to Trump the pic below should disabuse you of them. That sorry lot is terrified of Trump, or, more accurately, the power of the US which Trump wields like a madman.

TrumpEUleaders.png

I am bemused by European thinking. The US destroys Nordstream, thus depriving Europe of cheap and plentiful energy and begins the process of deindustrialization of the continent, effects of which are plenty visible. And now the US threatens to forcibly annex the territory of a NATO country, as well as a tariff war.

And the aggressor is, the fearsome threat is? Russia. Jeez. Europeans should disband Nato, revive the Warsaw Pact and sign up. Last I checked, Russia doesn't steal from friends, backstab allies, foment revolutions, kidnap leaders or aid in genocide.

Relax. Trump can't annex Greenland. He needs Congressional approval. The US midterms are in 270+ days. The Democrats, if they can keep from destroying themselves will win back the House and the Trump era will end in January 2027. Until then you can obsess over Greenland and forget about the Epstein files, which I think is the intent.

14 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Relax. Trump can't annex Greenland. He needs Congressional approval. The US midterms are in 270+ days. The Democrats, if they can keep from destroying themselves will win back the House and the Trump era will end in January 2027. Until then you can obsess over Greenland and forget about the Epstein files, which I think is the intent.

Sure. Americans are desperate to get back to boys being girls, open borders with welfare for all and more banana republic lawfare. Democrats have the approval rating of genital warts.

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1 hour ago, Autocan said:

Last I checked, Russia doesn't steal from friends, backstab allies

Of course that may be because they don't really have any friends or allies...

10 hours ago, KhunLA said:

... "It is an absolute certainty" ... or not cheesy

I love a good opinion piece.

10 hours ago, TedG said:

I encourage the member nations of NATO to kick the USA out of NATO, and close all US bases in Europe.

And wait for the Sino-Russian invasion.

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11 hours ago, TedG said:

I encourage the member nations of NATO to kick the USA out of NATO, and close all US bases in Europe.

There are many who have said that for years, it'd be great for America.

Close all the bases, burn or ship everything home. The more isolationist we become the better it is for America

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One thing we may be sure of; all governments plan, militaries plan, allies consult. Trump's antipathy to NATO has been known for about a decade, along with his predeliction for Putin's Russia and probably the degree to which that is driven by his financial exposure and good old fashioned "kompromat"! The various European nations will have been making contingency plans. Whilst an American decoupling from NATO, either through national politics or a rupture triggered by a madcap agrandising act like seizing Greenland will be part of those contingency plans.

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So far Trump has caused it's closest neighbour into China's arms, invaded another nation to steal its resources, now threatening the same against Greenland, alienated the rest of the world with is tariffs and bullying techniques, increased the risk of de-dollarisation, and now looks close to bringing about the collapse of NATO.

The US has lived beyond its means only because the dollar was used by all to pay for world trade. Trump and Bessent risk losing that advantage.

The threat of the largest holders of US debt selling it off is looming large.

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17 minutes ago, phetphet said:

So far Trump has caused it's closest neighbour into China's arms, invaded another nation to steal its resources, now threatening the same against Greenland, alienated the rest of the world with is tariffs and bullying techniques, increased the risk of de-dollarisation, and now looks close to bringing about the collapse of NATO.

The US has lived beyond its means only because the dollar was used by all to pay for world trade. Trump and Bessent risk losing that advantage.

The threat of the largest holders of US debt selling it off is looming large.

Losing the USD as the world's reserve currency will bring great pain and suffering for Americans. Not a pleasant thought.

24 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Losing the USD as the world's reserve currency will bring great pain and suffering for Americans. Not a pleasant thought.

Its inevitable.

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6 hours ago, emptypockets said:

And wait for the Sino-Russian invasion.

Oh, gosh...........we'll be buried in affordable solar panels and EV's, and drowning in affordable petroleum.

The horror! The horror!

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11 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sure. Americans are desperate to get back to boys being girls, open borders with welfare for all and more banana republic lawfare. Democrats have the approval rating of genital warts.

Democrat leadership perhaps, but individual candidates are a different story. Watch the new generation take over; Kelly, Beshear, Prittzker, Shapiro & Buttigieg. All tested and proven competent of managing government duties. Republicans have eaten their young.

3 hours ago, phetphet said:

So far Trump has caused it's closest neighbour into China's arms, invaded another nation to steal its resources, now threatening the same against Greenland, alienated the rest of the world with is tariffs and bullying techniques, increased the risk of de-dollarisation, and now looks close to bringing about the collapse of NATO.

The US has lived beyond its means only because the dollar was used by all to pay for world trade. Trump and Bessent risk losing that advantage.

The threat of the largest holders of US debt selling it off is looming large.

First you offer that the USD is unwanted by the world, and then you state, the threat of the largest holders of US debt selling it off is looming large. There's a disconnect with your logic. The largest holders are sovereign funds, like national pension funds. They can't sell off the debt if there is no one to purchase it at a price that does not require losing the asset value, i.e. taking a haircut. Other large economic stakeholders have purchased real estate and invested in manufacturing plant. One would need buyers for the assets, and those buyers would need to generate debt to purchase the assets, except that the sellers would not want to extend loans or want USD which would become worthless. Also you neglect the reality that there are only a relatively small number of regions to invest money with a reasonable assurance it won't be stolen, lost to hyper inflation or subject to political risk. This is about 20 regional economies. Brazil's economy has previously collapsed. India's economy is a mess. Other than the EU, Canada, Australia/New Zealand, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Israel & Gulf Arab nations, where else is there relative safety for pension funds to go? Burundi? Argentina? Algeria? Turkmenistan? Nepal?

Canada's small opening of trade relations with China is relatively inconsequential since the Chinese have not delivered anything yet since their tariffs still apply on Canadian Agricultural products with the exception of canola, which might be reduced in March. The Chinese EV's still have to meet Canadian road standards.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

First you offer that the USD is unwanted by the world, and then you state, the threat of the largest holders of US debt selling it off is looming large. There's a disconnect with your logic. The largest holders are sovereign funds, like national pension funds. They can't sell off the debt if there is no one to purchase it at a price that does not require losing the asset value, i.e. taking a haircut. Other large economic stakeholders have purchased real estate and invested in manufacturing plant. One would need buyers for the assets, and those buyers would need to generate debt to purchase the assets, except that the sellers would not want to extend loans or want USD which would become worthless. Also you neglect the reality that there are only a relatively small number of regions to invest money with a reasonable assurance it won't be stolen, lost to hyper inflation or subject to political risk. This is about 20 regional economies. Brazil's economy has previously collapsed. India's economy is a mess. Other than the EU, Canada, Australia/New Zealand, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Israel & Gulf Arab nations, where else is there relative safety for pension funds to go? Burundi? Argentina? Algeria? Turkmenistan? Nepal?

Canada's small opening of trade relations with China is relatively inconsequential since the Chinese have not delivered anything yet since their tariffs still apply on Canadian Agricultural products with the exception of canola, which might be reduced in March. The Chinese EV's still have to meet Canadian road standards.

Are these sovereign funds allowed to invest in precious metals?

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"If you don't let me boom boom you, I'm under no obligation not to rape any woman I want."

That is the equivalent of Trump's deranged and childish letter to the PM of Norway.

How do MAGAs parse that into anything even remotely resembling sanity or adult thinking?

Whatever the world might have thought of the US in the past, now the US is a force for evil run by a raving lunatic and his Carnival People Administration.

22 hours ago, Wingate said:

It is an absolute certainty that in NATO capitals today, as well as in the halls of power of NATO member nations, there are some hushed-tone discussions taking place about how to address Trump’s threats.

 

As fantastical as it sounds, there is likely serious consideration taking place about literally taking Trump out. Even more fantastical, however, is the fact that Trump has threatened military force against an ally and NATO member. His threats must be taken seriously, and undoubtedly they are.

 

Article 5 of the NATO Charter demands member nations respond to aggression against a fellow member, so it would be a dereliction of duty not to be having these discussions.

 

Trump represents a threat to a NATO member. NATO will not engage in a first strike, but undoubtedly it will respond if Trump actually unleashes military force against Greenland. It must be so. The world would both demand and support it, as would a majority of Americans.

 

It is not unreasonable to assume plans are being drawn up as to how to remove Trump. There may be mock-ups of Mar-a-Lago being constructed, the same way the US constructed mock-ups of Osama bin Laden’s Abbottabad refuge. Plans under consideration would include a direct assault, or some sort of tactical weapon that would vaporize Mar-a-Lago. Also to be considered would be how to get Trump when he’s on one of his golf courses, as that would minimize collateral damage.

 

Certainly France and Germany, inter alia, have commando teams with the skills and talents necessary to carry out such an attack, particularly since they’d only be dealing with civilian Secret Service. Recall that those types even missed a pimply-faced kid who took a shot at Trump during a campaign rally. They would be no match for the French or Germans.

 

Some might think the US would respond to the removal of Trump, but I would guess truly patriotic generals, who are well aware of the benefit the US has gotten from NATO membership since the alliance’s founding, would quash any attempt by their drunkard Secretary to retaliate.

 

The aggression Trump has threatened is illegal both within NATO and by international law. It would have to be addressed, and likely with violence. He would be bringing it on himself, and he would get what he deserved.

 

The fact that these matters are with near absolute certainty being discussed today is an indication of just how far the US has sunk in the world’s eyes under Trump. Even some Republican Congresspeople have stated that should Trump launch military action against Greenland, that would be an impeachable offense. NATO members cannot impeach, so their response would have to be far more serious.

 

If Trump has any sane people in his entire Administration, they would be wise to inform Trump of this possibility, even likelihood.

 

The thinking within NATO would be that rabid dogs must be put down.

his main goal is to brake/split NATO to help Putin, he has no other intent, only to divert attention to himself and let the his master destroy Ukraine and maybe some other NATO member, if we had any doubt about his love boot leaker to Putin with his recent declarations all and any doubt are gone, for God's sake, the guy just asked Putin to be part of the gaza peace group

14 hours ago, Autocan said:

The US is the 800-pound gorilla in Nato. If you had any thoughts that European leaders might stand up to Trump the pic below should disabuse you of them. That sorry lot is terrified of Trump, or, more accurately, the power of the US which Trump wields like a madman.

TrumpEUleaders.png

I am bemused by European thinking. The US destroys Nordstream, thus depriving Europe of cheap and plentiful energy and begins the process of deindustrialization of the continent, effects of which are plenty visible. And now the US threatens to forcibly annex the territory of a NATO country, as well as a tariff war.

And the aggressor is, the fearsome threat is? Russia. Jeez. Europeans should disband Nato, revive the Warsaw Pact and sign up. Last I checked, Russia doesn't steal from friends, backstab allies, foment revolutions, kidnap leaders or aid in genocide.

have your heard of the "Europe Trade Bazooka"

Unfortunately for them, they are xxxx.

Only two countries have nukes, and only France is 100% independent from the US for its nuclear force.

All NATO countries (except the French who can thank De Gaule for that), are extensively using US weapons and are dependent on the US, in particular for jets and missile systems. Even if they could stop ordering US weapons, they would still be dependent on the US for system updates, spare parts and maintenance, for around 20/30 years.

11 minutes ago, candide said:

Unfortunately for them, they are xxxx.

Only two countries have nukes, and only France is 100% independent from the US for its nuclear force.

All NATO countries (except the French who can thank De Gaule for that), are extensively using US weapons and are dependent on the US, in particular for jets and missile systems. Even if they could stop ordering US weapons, they would still be dependent on the US for system updates, spare parts and maintenance, for around 20/30 years.

Last I saw, there were at least nine countries.

4 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Last I saw, there were at least nine countries.

What's the point?

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