On 2/5/2026 at 7:52 AM, BritManToo said:

Quite a good anti-vaccine rant from RFK.

Nutrition and clean water was what stopped death from disease

“Vaccines played almost no part, in the 20th Century, in the decline in mortality from infectious diseases”!!!

There's also Taco's disinfectant purge...

Vaccines have been extremely effective in eradicating Polio around the World. Measles, Cholera, Yellow Fever and many more are on that list.

Just MHO but for understandable reasons the CV-19 vaccines were rushed and hindsight has brought some doubt and worries. And facts. The flawed Covid vaccines did reduce the numbers of people dying overall BUT the side effects also caused death later, and now.

RFK is a loose cannon, like much of the Trump crew, but I do think he is right about the mRNA approach. Immunology is a much better way forward.

E.G. a new 'Standard of Care' is coming through for melanoma with immunology, (being iSCIB1+ with a UK Company).

Generally, I think a lot of the anti-vax feeling comes from the Covid vax problems, but most of the conventional Vax are fabulous. (Possible exception for me is the MMR multi-vax).

JFK jnr and his views are off the wall, so is he. Some of the vaccines are great and it's madness to cut them

Immunology and Immunotherapy with DNA are the way ahead.

But traditional vax, largely, rule ok !

20 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

So you have no proof!

What meds do you take?

5 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

What meds do you take?

None of your business!

5 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

None of your business!

So you take several. I take none. Thanks for confirming you are unfit and unwell. Why you have no hobbies in Thailand.

Just now, Harrisfan said:

So you take several. I take none. Thanks for confirming you are unfit and unwell.

What a typically idiotic response from you as usual!

How can you derive what meds anyone takes, if any, from my statement that it is NONE of your business!

Keep your nose out of it!

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Thanks for the reply Sir. Let me put you straight on matters.

There is;;;

No evidence that germs cause illness.

No evidence that any virus has caused disease.

No evidence that we humans have such a thing as an immune system.

No evidence that illness is contagious.

No evidence that any vaccine is safe.

No evidence that shows a vaccine to be effective (therefore necessary).

No evidence that a vaccine lessened, or stopped, anything.

If you take issue with any of the above, please point me to some evidence that shows I've got it wrong. Unlike many, I'm willing to learn.

• Innate Immunity: The body’s first line of defense, providing immediate, non-specific responses. This includes physical barriers (skin, mucous membranes), chemical barriers (enzymes, stomach acid), and cellular defenses (phagocytes like neutrophils and macrophages, natural killer cells).

• Adaptive Immunity: A tailored, long-lasting response that develops after exposure to specific pathogens. It involves B lymphocytes (produce antibodies) and T lymphocytes (including cytotoxic T cells that kill infected cells and helper T cells that coordinate immune responses). This system creates immunological memory, allowing faster and stronger responses upon re-exposure—basis of vaccination.

• Immune System Organs: Include the bone marrow (produces immune cells), thymus (matures T cells), spleen (filters blood), lymph nodes (filter lymph and house immune cells), and lymphatic vessels (transport immune cells).

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

What a typical idiotic response from you as usual!

How can you derive what meds anyone takes, if any, from my statement that it is NONE of your business!

Keep your nose out of it!

Obviously you take meds. People on no meds say so. You're super dodgy and avoid questions.

• Lymph Nodes: Swollen lymph nodes are clinical signs of active immune response, as they serve as hubs where immune cells coordinate attacks.

• Antibodies and Cytokines: Detection of specific antibodies (e.g., IgG, IgM) and signaling molecules like interferon and interleukin-1 confirms immune activation.

Evidence of viruses' existence is supported by multiple lines of scientific proof, both historical and modern:

• Causal Evidence: Early experiments in the 19th century, such as those by Dmitri Ivanovsky (1892), showed that filtered sap from diseased tobacco plants could still infect healthy plants, proving an infectious agent smaller than bacteria existed. This led Martinus Beijerinck to coin the term "virus" for this filterable, infectious agent.

• Visualization and Structural Proof: The tobacco mosaic virus (TMV) was crystallized by Wendell M. Stanley in 1935, allowing its structure to be studied via X-ray diffraction—earning him a Nobel Prize. The first direct images of viruses were captured in 1941 using electron transmission microscopes, revealing their distinct, stick-like shapes.

• Molecular and Genetic Proof: Viruses are now routinely isolated, their genomes sequenced, and their effects confirmed in animal models. As Lynda Coughlin, a virologist, stated, scientists can isolate viruses, sequence their genetic material, visualize them directly (via electron microscopy), and confirm they cause disease—just as forensic science confirms a criminal’s presence through DNA.

11 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

• Innate Immunity: The body’s first line of defense, providing immediate, non-specific responses. This includes physical barriers (skin, mucous membranes), chemical barriers (enzymes, stomach acid), and cellular defenses (phagocytes like neutrophils and macrophages, natural killer cells).

• Adaptive Immunity: A tailored, long-lasting response that develops after exposure to specific pathogens. It involves B lymphocytes (produce antibodies) and T lymphocytes (including cytotoxic T cells that kill infected cells and helper T cells that coordinate immune responses). This system creates immunological memory, allowing faster and stronger responses upon re-exposure—basis of vaccination.

• Immune System Organs: Include the bone marrow (produces immune cells), thymus (matures T cells), spleen (filters blood), lymph nodes (filter lymph and house immune cells), and lymphatic vessels (transport immune cells).

The body has a natural defence and maintenance mode at all time.

It reacts and adapts to poisoning and insults.

https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/older-americans-are-prescribed-more-medications-than-ever

5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The body has a natural defence and maintenance mode at all time.

It reacts and adapts to poisoning and insults.

Called an immune system.

14 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Obviously you take meds. People on no meds say so. You're super dodgy and avoid questions.

How is it possible for anyone, especially a person of very limited intelligence, to be able to say that anyone is taking any medication unless THEY SAY SO THEMSELVES or you/they are privy to their medical records!

I suggest that you get your snotty little nose out of my medical business and stick it where the sun does not shine!

8 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Called an immune system.

The idea that we have an immune system is one of the bedrocks of the vaccine industry.

I do not subscribe to the idea that the body can differentiate between different toxins, rid itself of then, and remember the precise process. That is one of the ways vaccines are sold to the populous.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The idea that we have an immune system is one of the bedrocks of the vaccine industry.

I do not subscribe to the idea that the body can differentiate between different toxins, rid itself of then, and remember the precise process. That is one of the ways vaccines are sold to the populous.

Why does a finger heal after being cut?

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Why does a finger heal after being cut?

The body knows what to do depending upon the insult. Most of the time it copes with ease.

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

The body knows what to do depending upon the insult. Most of the time it copes with ease.

So the body can spot different infections.

Troll posts removed. That's you @Harrisfan

This particular topic brings out passionate opinions. That's fine. Don't make it personal. Don't troll other member. Maintain mutual respect, argue the facts - as you see them - and agree to disagree. One more time: Don't Make It Personal

Thanks you!

If the body can spot different infections their must be an immune system.

The response to a tooth ache is not the same as a cut finger.

Vaccines - they seem overrated to me but not completely useless.

11 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

So the body can spot different infections.

A cut finger is an insult. There would be a sequence of operations.

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

Vaccines - they seem overrated to me but not completely useless.

My take: There has never been a vaccine that is safe, effective or necessary. And indeed there cannot be such a thing.

To fully understand that, one has to appreciate the functioning of the body.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

My take: There has never been a vaccine that is safe, effective or necessary. And indeed there cannot be such a thing.

To fully understand that, one has to appreciate the functioning of the body.

Pro vaxxers are nutters! Im pro choice. Vitamins are best.

On 2/5/2026 at 8:19 AM, BritManToo said:

Vaccines don't cause autism, but the CDC has no evidence to support their claim.

And now the CDC have been forced to retract their claim

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/about/autism.html

From the revised CDC website.

The claim "vaccines do not cause autism" is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism.

You have to provide evidence that it does, one doesn't have to prove a negative.

Taking advice from a guy who snorts cocaine from toilet seats is not to bright.

3 hours ago, Peter Crow said:

There's also Taco's disinfectant purge...

He was talking about chlorine dioxide and he was right.

43 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Pro vaxxers are nutters! Im pro choice. Vitamins are best.

Don't forget to eat meat every day. Animal fat works wonders.

41 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

You have to provide evidence that it does, one doesn't have to prove a negative.

Taking advice from a guy who snorts cocaine from toilet seats is not to bright.

There are thousands of health professionals who agree with him on this issue.

7 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Don't forget to eat meat every day. Animal fat works wonders.

Good point. Meat is great.