23 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Yes, they did. It's unclear what you mean with "this war," i.e., whether you are referring only to the current war in Gaza that started on Oct. 7, 2023, or the entire conflict stretching back to 1947-48. In either case, Palestinians initiated the military action.

What about the Irgun, have you heard of them?

You know the former Israeli PM was a leader of that terrorist group.

Menachem Begin joined the Irgun terrorist group in 1942 after arriving in Palestine from Europe. That same year, he became its commander (leader) and remained in that position until 1948. Under his leadership, the Irgun intensified its armed campaign against British rule during the final years of the British Mandate.

After Israel’s independence in 1948, the Irgun was dissolved and integrated into the newly formed Israel Defense Forces. Begin later entered politics and eventually became Prime Minister of Israel (1977–1983).

You make a fool of yourself saying the current Genocide started on October 7.

Search Operation Shield and Arrow, May 2023, before October.

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Exactly how does the "international law" read in that regard?

When was that law ratified?

"international law" has there ever been a more ridiculous concept , other than women with a penis and men giving birth

Just now, Bday Prang said:

Hardly , i am currently enjoying a bacon sandwich actually , and not that its any of your business. I am looking forward to a Pork chop later

What is disgusting about doubting figures that have been either pulled out of a hat or simply made up by a terrorist organisation.efeding

Ok, don't answer my question by deflection . Jews can eat bacon.

Why else would you be defending Israeli genocide?

Do you support the Israel lobby?

The IDF is the terrorist organisation,.

Only a handful of Western countries say Hamas is a terrorist organization to keep the US an Israel happy and spread their propaganda.

5 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Ok, don't answer my question by deflection . Jews can eat bacon.

Why else would you be defending Israeli genocide?

Do you support the Israel lobby?

The IDF is the terrorist organisation,.

Only a handful of Western countries say Hamas is a terrorist organization to keep the US an Israel happy and spread their propaganda.

ok as you appear to have difficulty understanding, NO i am not jewish would you have a problem if I was? are you a muzzer or just a leftist jew hater ?

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Why else would you support Palestinian genocide of Jews?

What makes you think I do? Of course I don't.

3 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

ok as you appear to have difficulty understanding, NO i am not jewish would you have a problem if I was? are you a muzzer or just a leftist jew hater ?

What's a buzzer?

I vote reform and would vote Trump if I were a Yank, so not leftist.

I have nothing against Jews, unless they support Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, Smotrich and all these other Genocidal maniac war criminals.

4 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Under International Law, borders cannot be changed through violence.

There was never any borders on the land , green lines are not borders

13 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Can you see the flaw in your statement?

I can't see any flaw because there isn't one. Neither can she.

13 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

If all people are equal before god, he would not choose any group of people for anything different from any other peoples.

You are conflating religious practice and belief with civil rights under secular law. God is not bound by the Bill of Rights and 13th and 14th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution or equivalent provisions in the laws of other countries.

The god of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) is by his own admission a "jealous god." He demands people worship him and him alone. All people may have been created equal by God, but don't remain equal in his estimation unless they forsake other deities and only worship him.

35 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

The god of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) is by his own admission a "jealous god." He demands people worship him and him alone. All people may have been created equal by God, but don't remain equal in his estimation unless they forsake other deities and only worship him.

Absolute twaddle and mistranslation.

5 hours ago, JimCM said:

What makes you think I do? Of course I don't.

What do you think should be done to stop it?

Some inflammatory baiting posts and replies have been removed.

On 2/10/2026 at 7:17 AM, liddelljohn said:

israel is the only Country holding back the tide of cancerous fundemental islam that even eats its own people whilst enabling thugs, killers, despots , terror and exploitation of any population it controls to enrich its leaders ,,,,No different to USSR under stalin or Germany under the NAZi's

It becomes really difficult when people start equating Nazis with Arab terrorists. Foremost, because the latter would have been the absolute enemies of the former. In the smae way, fundamental Islam has very little to do with communism. It is a bit like telling the world that the Ukrainians are led by a Nazi regime, when their president is of Jewish faith.

Left is not right, and one wrong is not exchangeable with the other. Words have a meaning, even though people tend to forget this in our "enlightened" times.

It is even more idiotic to try to measure up what horrendous things Israel is doing during the last 80 years (ethnic cleansing) with what Hamas did (and by all accounts still does); comparing this totally deflects form the one truth: both is utterly morally reprehensible, needs to be stopped and all perpetrators put in front of a court.

6 hours ago, JimCM said:

What about the Irgun, have you heard of them?

Yes, the Irgun was a militant underground Zionist armed group founded in 1931 with the goal of creating a Jewish state in Palestine through force.. It was absorbed into the IDF in 1948. Some Jews inside and outside the Zionist movement criticized the Irgun because of the level of violence it used in its attacks against Arabs and the British.

More than one historian believes the violence of the Irgun was a big part of the reason the British government decided to dump the fate of Mandatory Palestine into the lap of the fledgling United Nations. However, there's also broad consensus the Irgun was a response to Arab violence against Zionist settlers. The Irgun didn't initiate the conflict.

https://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/background-and-overview-of-the-irgun-etzel

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Irgun-Zvai-Leumi

Emblem of Irgun:

10 hours ago, JimCM said:

You make a fool of yourself saying the current Genocide started on October 7.

Search Operation Shield and Arrow, May 2023, before October.

Since I don't believe the IDF military actions in Gaza are genocide, I have never written it began on Oct. 7 or any other date. I believe the conflict between Palestinians and Jews dates back to 1918, when the British occupied the territory of historical Palestine.

Since you believe Hamas are "freedom fighters" rather than terrorists, you need to be very careful about calling other BMs "fools."

Operation Shield and Arrow was a five-day IDF retaliaton for a rocket attack against targets in Israel by Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ). It's another example of Palestinian groups initiating conflict with Israel. AND???

11 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

There was never any borders on the land , green lines are not borders

Utter Tosh Nick.

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Utter Tosh Nick.

Palestine never accepted any borders , hence they have never existed

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Palestine never accepted any borders , hence they have never existed

Jackanory

Why suddenly turn against the jews ? The mess has been going on for ages. At a different rate for sure, but the war crimes are nothing new in Gaza,

11 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Jackanory

Are you clamming that Palestine accepted the borders ?

16 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Why only go back to 1947-1948?

Yes, this conflict, if you believe what's written in the Bible, in Exodus, goes back to around 1500 BCE when the Jews conquered (militarily) and took over the land of Canaan, which is now called Palestine. ☹️

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Are you clamming that Palestine accepted the borders ?

I am claiming it's illegal under international law to change borders (claimed or otherwise) through violence

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

Are you clamming that Palestine accepted the borders ?

They don't have much choice. Their neighbors, and most middle eastern, Arab, Muslim countries don't want them in their countries. Stuck between a rock & a hard place is their reality, and they have only themselves to blame.

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I am claiming it's illegal under international law to change borders (claimed or otherwise) through violence

But the borders never existed .

There has never been a Country called Palestine with borders

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

But the borders never existed .

There has never been a Country called Palestine with borders

Irrelevant. 1948 created a country called Israel with specific borders. Israel changed those borders through violence - QED Illegal.

4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Irrelevant. 1948 created a country called Israel with specific borders. Israel changed those borders through violence - QED Illegal.

Wrong : The creation of the State of Israel

in 1948 did not initially involve officially declared, fixed borders

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Wrong : The creation of the State of Israel

in 1948 did not initially involve officially declared, fixed borders

Irrelevant again. International law generally recognizes the pre-1967 borders (the “Green Line”) as the baseline.

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Irrelevant again. International law generally recognizes the pre-1967 borders (the “Green Line”) as the baseline.

Those who do not abide by International laws shouldn't have the right to insist that others do

32 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Irrelevant. 1948 created a country called Israel with specific borders. Israel changed those borders through violence - QED Illegal.

Israel was attacked. A more honest statement would be: Israel changed those borders as a result of being attacked. You can still say it is illegal, but at least you sound honest.

18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Those who do not abide by International laws shouldn't have the right to insist that others do

Exactly right, just have a look at all these nice Resolutions Israel has ignored,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Israel was attacked. A more honest statement would be: Israel changed those borders as a result of being attacked. You can still say it is illegal, but at least you sound honest.

What about 1967?

Key details regarding the start of the 1967 War:

• The Preemptive Strike: On the morning of June 5, 1967, the Israeli Air Force launched "Operation Focus," destroying the vast majority of Egypt's air force on the ground, securing air superiority.

• Immediate Causes: The strike followed Egypt's blockade of the Straits of Tiran, which Israel considered an act of war, and the mobilization of Arab forces.

• Escalation: While the initial strike was against Egypt, Jordan and Syria joined the conflict later, leading to Israel seizing the Gaza Strip, Sinai Peninsula, West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.

• Perspectives: While commonly described as a preemptive strike by Israel to avoid a planned attack by Arab states, some perspectives consider it an aggressive, unprovoked attack, or the result of a failed, escalating diplomatic crisis.

13 hours ago, JimCM said:

What's a buzzer?

I vote reform and would vote Trump if I were a Yank, so not leftist.

I have nothing against Jews, unless they support Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, Smotrich and all these other Genocidal maniac war criminals.

i have no Idea what a "buzzer" is , I certainly did not use that word, read my post again ,slowly.

I have nothing against muzzers except the ones who follow the Quran and attend mosques