1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

There was no land grab in Gaza.

Strange post, since the discussion concerned this statement.

"Israel’s response to Hamas’s 2023 attack has mostly victimized (and killed) innocent Palestinian civilians, and its ongoing appropriation of land in the West Bank is illegal and wrong. "

Where was land grab in Gaza mentioned?

But yes, i am convinced Israel is on its way to grab all Gaza land.

15 hours ago, lungbing said:

Perhaps because they don't want to be bombed by Israel either.

No its because of what happened in Jordan , egypt and lebanon when they let the palestinians in in the 1980s they radicalised , terrorised and ended uptaking over in Christian Lebanon , and tried to take over in Muslim Jordan and Egypt ,, who both had to crush them ,, The Gazans and palestinian mobs are a cancer ,,,even in Muslim Arab countries ,, check the facts ,,,The only place that wants them are ISIS and the Iranian Mullahs ,,,,, Even the Taliban have banned them from Afghanistan which is amazing

Israel seems to have completely lost the plot, they seem to have forgotten all the lessons of the Holocaust, and they seem to have become a somewhat genocidal nation, hellbent on erasing the Palestinian people from the face of the earth.

It is of extreme importance to differentiate between people protesting against Israel's approach to this war in Gaza, and antisemitism. They are two completely different things, however Israel is an extremely thin skinned nation, and very intolerant of any sort of criticism. As a Jew I know that many Jews are thin-skinned when it comes to any sort of criticism of Israel, and it's often interpreted as being anti-semitic. I've been called a Jew hater for criticizing Israeli policy so I know how sensitive the issue can be, and it's very important to interpret it correctly. Jews and all people have the right to be critical of Israeli policy, especially now that the extremists have taken over gotten the support of a hateful PM, and are engaging in what could be called a ridiculously disproportionate campaign against the Gazans.

Israel must be very careful at this point as they are losing support around the world, by the day it's gotten to the point where there are very few nations who are still supportive of Israel, and the IDF, and even the US is considering withdrawing some support. That would put them in dire straits, and very isolated. But, they deserve that, in my opinion.

Excerpt From

Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on Israel's War Against the Palestinians

Noam Chomsky

“The pro-Israel lobby worked uninterrupted until 1963 when the famous senator, William Fulbright, became intrigued by its activities and demanded a congressional investigation of its financial sources. The three hundred pages produced by the investigating body revealed that, over four years, the lobby had raised $5 million, exempted from tax, from the Jewish community in the United States. This was done by the purchase of bonds clandestinely made over to the State of Israel. American law forbade lobbying for the interests of a foreign country. In order to overcome the legal prohibition, it was stated that the bonds were procured only for welfare purposes in Israel. However, the investigating committee found that none of the money was ever delivered to the deprived citizens of Israel. The money went to the Israeli state and, from there, immediately back to the United States—directly into AIPAC’s account. In Newsweek (August 12, 1963), it was written that the investigation exposed the AIPAC lobby as “one of the most effective networks of foreign influence.”

Fulbright became the pro-Israel lobby’s greatest enemy and had to be deposed by all means possible. The campaign against him became an AIPAC model. Everything was done to ensure that he would not be reelected. Anyone standing against him was financed and supported. From that time to this, the road to the Capitol has been scattered with candidates from the elite of American politics whose careers have been similarly torpedoed by AIPAC. In this manner, AIPAC impacted on Congress policy with such successful results that very few have since dared to follow in Fulbright’s footsteps.

17 hours ago, placnx said:

Many countries would like to help Gaza, but the Board of Peace and Israel make it impossible since cooperation, read collaboration, means financing the Trump Riviera, a real estate deal not for the benefit of Palestinians. Until Trump (if ever) orders Israel out of the Philadelphia Corridor between Egypt and Gaza, the aid needed cannot flow and the people cannot go out and come back in.

In 1948 Gaza has 94,000 population of which 33,000 were jews ,, Now gaza has over 2million and since 1968 has had more money invested than Singapore or Dubai by UN,, and International donors , It could have been peaceful and prosperous but the PLA and then HAMAS stole most of the money for islamisation and war ,and the repression of its own palestinian people ,there was free movement between Israel and Gaza and west bank and Eygypt and Jordan, However dur to HAMAS israel was forced to isolate Gaza to protect itself ,,,but Gaza still managed to thrive as population grew exponentialy , Israel also ordered all jews out of gaza ,, and the infrastructure then collapsed under HAMAS control ... Trumps ideas are delusional it has all been tried many times before ,,, Any money or time invested in GAZA i diverted to terror , isalam and the benefit of rich thugs ,,

Mod edit - I have separated the reply from the quote.

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Israel seems to have completely lost the plot, they seem to have forgotten all the lessons of the Holocaust, and they seem to have become a somewhat genocidal nation, hellbent on erasing the Palestinian people from the face of the earth.

It is of extreme importance to differentiate between people protesting against Israel's approach to this war in Gaza, and antisemitism. They are two completely different things, however Israel is an extremely thin skinned nation, and very intolerant of any sort of criticism. As a Jew I know that many Jews are thin-skinned when it comes to any sort of criticism of Israel, and it's often interpreted as being anti-semitic. I've been called a Jew hater for criticizing Israeli policy so I know how sensitive the issue can be, and it's very important to interpret it correctly. Jews and all people have the right to be critical of Israeli policy, especially now that the extremists have taken over gotten the support of a hateful PM, and are engaging in what could be called a ridiculously disproportionate campaign against the Gazans.

Israel must be very careful at this point as they are losing support around the world, by the day it's gotten to the point where there are very few nations who are still supportive of Israel, and the IDF, and even the US is considering withdrawing some support. That would put them in dire straits, and very isolated. But, they deserve that, in my opinion.

Excerpt From

Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on Israel's War Against the Palestinians

Noam Chomsky

“The pro-Israel lobby worked uninterrupted until 1963 when the famous senator, William Fulbright, became intrigued by its activities and demanded a congressional investigation of its financial sources. The three hundred pages produced by the investigating body revealed that, over four years, the lobby had raised $5 million, exempted from tax, from the Jewish community in the United States. This was done by the purchase of bonds clandestinely made over to the State of Israel. American law forbade lobbying for the interests of a foreign country. In order to overcome the legal prohibition, it was stated that the bonds were procured only for welfare purposes in Israel. However, the investigating committee found that none of the money was ever delivered to the deprived citizens of Israel. The money went to the Israeli state and, from there, immediately back to the United States—directly into AIPAC’s account. In Newsweek (August 12, 1963), it was written that the investigation exposed the AIPAC lobby as “one of the most effective networks of foreign influence.”

Fulbright became the pro-Israel lobby’s greatest enemy and had to be deposed by all means possible. The campaign against him became an AIPAC model. Everything was done to ensure that he would not be reelected. Anyone standing against him was financed and supported. From that time to this, the road to the Capitol has been scattered with candidates from the elite of American politics whose careers have been similarly torpedoed by AIPAC. In this manner, AIPAC impacted on Congress policy with such successful results that very few have since dared to follow in Fulbright’s footsteps.

Noam Chomsky is not a source of knowledge on the conflict.

8 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Noam Chomsky is not a source of knowledge on the conflict.

To the left and anti-semites he is since he hates America and hates Israel

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13 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

@AustinRacing What agenda has Israel had that is "contrary to the spirit of decency"? Would you say providing a homeland and haven for the world's Jews is "contrary to the spirit of decency"?

It's really important to clarify what is meant with weasel words like agenda.

You’re kidding right?😂. Not enough room here to explain it all. Many books available. Let me point one out from its beginning. Palestinians welcomed Jewish refugees into their homes. The visitors changed the locks declaring it’s no longer their homes. A decent gesture by the host turned into an indecent act by the visitor. Ok agenda: we need a place of our own and we’ll resurrect the golden days of king David by reclaiming the old lands. We will call all the Jews to populate the place and classify them depending on their ethnicity. We will run the show and be a dominant force in the region but to do so we need to destroy anything in our way. We will need support of super powers so we will need to infiltrate them. We will have to cleanse the place too. So far mostly going to plan but it’s starting to unravel due to decent people resisting. Ps-we=mostly European wealthy zionists.

On 2/10/2026 at 3:15 PM, sammieuk1 said:

Try being at a music festival on the 7th of October 2023 for starters🤔

Yeah, it sucked when the IDF targeted all moving vehicles trying to escape the mayhem - a "kill them all and let God sort them out" moment.

Try being anywhere in Gaza after 7th of October 2023.

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t know.

Seemed to me like you were saying that Israel were deliberately slow in responding to the Gaza attack because Israel supported the attack and wanted it to be a success , so that would mean Israel were behind the attack

12 hours ago, Stargeezr said:

I am against all of those Hamas tunnels that go from Gaza into Isreal. I hope they all get blown up and destroyed

in the near future. Hamas has to still disarm and leave Gaza by how ever they chose to. Swim or ask for protection from a

neighbour of Gaza who may or may not have any sympathy.

What’s that got to do with the topic?

3 hours ago, AustinRacing said:

You’re kidding right?😂. Not enough room here to explain it all. Many books available. Let me point one out from its beginning. Palestinians welcomed Jewish refugees into their homes. The visitors changed the locks declaring it’s no longer their homes. A decent gesture by the host turned into an indecent act by the visitor. Ok agenda: we need a place of our own and we’ll resurrect the golden days of king David by reclaiming the old lands. We will call all the Jews to populate the place and classify them depending on their ethnicity. We will run the show and be a dominant force in the region but to do so we need to destroy anything in our way. We will need support of super powers so we will need to infiltrate them. We will have to cleanse the place too. So far mostly going to plan but it’s starting to unravel due to decent people resisting. Ps-we=mostly European wealthy zionists.

The agenda you describe sounds like it came straight from the pages of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or Mein Kampf. Were those two of the "many books available"?

From the day it was founded through today, the state of Israel has had only one agenda, which is also the whole rationale behind its creation: to provide a homeland and haven for the world's Jews.

Claims of Jewish "infiltration," ethnic cleasning, destruction, domination, etc. are simply an updating of millenia-old tropes.

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Seemed to me like you were saying that Israel were deliberately slow in responding to the Gaza attack because Israel supported the attack and wanted it to be a success , so that would mean Israel were behind the attack

It seems to me you truncated my post in order to avoid the bit in which I state my actual thoughts on the matter.

Just another example of the scurrilous practices you engage in order to avoid addressing stuff you can’t deal with.

17 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Claims of Jewish "infiltration," ethnic cleasning, destruction, domination, etc. are simply an updating of millenia-old tropes.

Or a reasonable conclusion, based on the evidence of actual events, of what Israel is engaged in within Palestine.

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or a reasonable conclusion, based on the evidence of actual events, of what Israel is engaged in within Palestine.

What evidence and actual events point to the infiltration of national governments by Jews?

50 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

What evidence and actual events point to the infiltration of national governments by Jews?

Well there’s Epstein for a start.

While, returning to my actual comment, there’s what Israel have been doing and are up to in Palestine.

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

The agenda you describe sounds like it came straight from the pages of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or Mein Kampf. Were those two of the "many books available"?

From the day it was founded through today, the state of Israel has had only one agenda, which is also the whole rationale behind its creation: to provide a homeland and haven for the world's Jews.

Claims of Jewish "infiltration," ethnic cleasning, destruction, domination, etc. are simply an updating of millenia-old tropes.

Unfortunately for you more and more people don’t accept your agenda thanks to the first points I made earlier. People SEE with their own eyes nowadays rather than READ articles in newspapers owned/paid for by interest groups.

3 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Claims of Jewish "infiltration," ethnic cleasning, destruction, domination, etc. are simply an updating of millenia-old tropes

Are you denying Jewish Israelis are cleansing Gaza and the West bank?

Yes or no will suffice.

7 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Are you denying Jewish Israelis are cleansing Gaza and the West bank?

Yes or no will suffice.

I deny it. Repeating this over and over does not make it true.

9 hours ago, AustinRacing said:

You’re kidding right?😂. Not enough room here to explain it all. Many books available. Let me point one out from its beginning. Palestinians welcomed Jewish refugees into their homes. The visitors changed the locks declaring it’s no longer their homes. A decent gesture by the host turned into an indecent act by the visitor. Ok agenda: we need a place of our own and we’ll resurrect the golden days of king David by reclaiming the old lands. We will call all the Jews to populate the place and classify them depending on their ethnicity. We will run the show and be a dominant force in the region but to do so we need to destroy anything in our way. We will need support of super powers so we will need to infiltrate them. We will have to cleanse the place too. So far mostly going to plan but it’s starting to unravel due to decent people resisting. Ps-we=mostly European wealthy zionists.

It makes for a nice story that "Palestinians welcomed jewish refugees into their homes". Dig deeper and it is Jewish Palestinians, because the territory during the British occupation was called Palestine. The previous occupiers, the Ottoman Empire never used the term of the area we know today as Israel, Palestine Territory, Gaza, and Sinai.

You have invented a tale of changing locks to cover up the reality that Jews always lived in greater Israel. jews are from Judea and Arabs are from Arabia. It is the Arab who is the colonizer, migrating from Syria and the Arabian peninsula and from North Africa. This colonialization by stealth is playing out again in Europe, North America and Australia.

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It seems to me you truncated my post in order to avoid the bit in which I state my actual thoughts on the matter.

Just another example of the scurrilous practices you engage in order to avoid addressing stuff you can’t deal with.

You said "I don't know" and that was the bit I was replying to .

You hope that there be an enquiry and the enquiry will revel Israel was responsible for Oct 7 th ?

IMO , you were indeed hinting that it was a false flag operation and Israel organised it .

2 hours ago, JimCM said:

Are you denying Jewish Israelis are cleansing Gaza and the West bank?

Yes or no will suffice.

I am denying it.

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well there’s Epstein for a start.

While Epstein had contact with many influential people including politicians in several countries, there's no evidence he tried to infiltrate the U.S. government or gather secret information for any nation.

6 hours ago, AustinRacing said:

Unfortunately for you more and more people don’t accept your agenda thanks to the first points I made earlier. People SEE with their own eyes nowadays rather than READ articles in newspapers owned/paid for by interest groups.

MY agenda??? What agenda do I have???

Very few people outside of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza Strip have seen the current conflict with their own eyes. I assume you mean people around the world have watched filmed reports on social media or TV, but they can be slanted and distorted just like written reports/

6 hours ago, Effective altruism said:

I deny it. Repeating this over and over does not make it true.

Denting it over and over does not make it false.

2 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

While Epstein had contact with many influential people including politicians in several countries, there's no evidence he tried to infiltrate the U.S. government or gather secret information for any nation.

Your statement was:

10 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

What evidence and actual events point to the infiltration of national governments by Jews?

There is absolute evidence of Epstein infiltrating the British Government, this evidence comes in the form of Mandelson forwarding secret UK Government economic policy decisions directly to Epstein within moments of having received them.

This matter is widely reported in the British news media and is now under UK police investigation.

You might also want to hold onto the idea that Epstein infiltrated governments as an explanation for his numerous interactions with the Israeli government.

Let’s have compliance to the law and the release of all the Epstein files with nothing other than the names of the victims redacted, as the law requires.

Let’s see all the evidence which other governments Epstein infiltrated and who he was working for.

10 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

What evidence and actual events point to the infiltration of national governments by Jews?

This was the situation in the US under the Biden administration. It will only be worse (or better, if you're a Jew) under Trump:

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/joe-bidens-a-team-of-jewish-advisers-cabinet-members-and-staff-658350

7 hours ago, Effective altruism said:

Are you a member of HAMAS by any chance?

No, why?

I understand, to some degree, why you'd be blinkered, if a Jew.

On 2/9/2026 at 8:31 PM, JimCM said:

One of the most idiotic, or evil posts I've seen here.

Agree 100%.

Lovely peaceful people who would like to like next door to them any takers Chiang Mai.

Look at the "innocent" Gazans today in Gaza, at the funeral of a Hamas terrorist who murdered two Israeli girls on October 7, praising him as a hero.

On 2/10/2026 at 2:35 PM, thaibreaker said:

How anyone can defend Israel's genocide against the Palestinians, is beyond me.

If this was a genocide, it would be over in a week. Your use of this word is vicious. The muslims watched for years, Hamas build those tunnels. Hamas's goal is to wipe out Israel and that is genocide. Muslim civilians housed some of the hostages. They danced when Hamas paraded nude Jewish girls who were raped by Hamas. Hamas wears civilian clothes and hides in schools and hospitals. How anyone can believe a statement like you made is beyond me.