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Takeaways from The Iran Strike

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14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

+100 !!.. Outstanding summary - though I suspect for some it will unfortunately fall straight into the TLDR category, which is a shame given the thought and effort that clearly went into putting together such a well-structured response.

Yes all without one independently corroborated fact.

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Just now, JerryM said:
7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

+100 !!.. Outstanding summary - though I suspect for some it will unfortunately fall straight into the TLDR category, which is a shame given the thought and effort that clearly went into putting together such a well-structured response.

Yes all without one independently corroborated fact.

That kind of response is exactly the point I was making. It’s a classic debate tactic - not engaging with the argument itself, but dismissing it with a quick throwaway line designed to sound authoritative while avoiding the substance entirely.

You see the same handful of one-liners over and over:

“Source?”

“Citation needed”

“Post a link”

“That’s been debunked.”

“Fact check?”

“Is that peer reviewed?”

“Provide evidence”

“That’s misinformation”

“Where did you get that from?”

“Show me the proof”

They’re simply ways to try and score a point without doing the work of engaging with the reasoning or evidence behind it.

Serious discussions about complex geopolitical events rarely come neatly packaged in a single hyperlink or a two-line citation. They involve pulling together multiple sources, historical context, policy decisions, and strategic analysis. Reducing that to “post a link or it didn’t happen” isn’t debate - it’s just a way to shut down conversation without contributing anything meaningful.

If there’s a specific point you think is wrong, challenge it directly and explain why. That’s how debates work. But dismissing an entire argument with a one-line slogan is exactly the kind of intellectual laziness that turns serious discussions into comment-section point scoring.

Edit: Unless I was mistaken - and your response was based out of sarcastic humour to post in the the exact manner I'd levied criticism at - in which case +1 at the humour !!!!

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

That kind of response is exactly the point I was making. It’s a classic debate tactic - not engaging with the argument itself, but dismissing it with a quick throwaway line designed to sound authoritative while avoiding the substance entirely.

As you already posted.

'"It’s also reasonable to ask whether analysts commenting in a media context are bringing any institutional, political, or professional biases into their interpretation - something that happens in virtually every conflict."

And from the above: . They involve pulling together multiple sources, historical context, policy decisions, and strategic analysis.

What sources?

I think of this kind of post as the word used by Bill O'Reilly in his Fox days: BLOVIATE

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15 minutes ago, JerryM said:

As you already posted.

'"It’s also reasonable to ask whether analysts commenting in a media context are bringing any institutional, political, or professional biases into their interpretation - something that happens in virtually every conflict."

And from the above: . They involve pulling together multiple sources, historical context, policy decisions, and strategic analysis.

What sources?

I think of this kind of post as the word used by Bill O'Reilly in his Fox days: BLOVIATE

So still no actual response to the post in question. Amazing.

26 minutes ago, blaze master said:

So still no actual response to the post in question. Amazing.

And there isn't going to be one for the reasons in the post quoted above.

Just now, JerryM said:

And there isn't going to be one for the reasons in the post quoted above.

If thats how you want to spin it ok. Typical. Smh.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

You see the same handful of one-liners over and over:

“Source?”

“Citation needed”

“Post a link”

“That’s been debunked.”

“Fact check?”

“Is that peer reviewed?”

“Provide evidence”

“That’s misinformation”

“Where did you get that from?”

“Show me the proof

Forum Rules 5. In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source.

5 minutes ago, JerryM said:

Forum Rules 5. In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source.

Thank you Sir Linksalot

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

+100 !!.. Outstanding summary - though I suspect for some it will unfortunately fall straight into the TLDR category, which is a shame given the thought and effort that clearly went into putting together such a well-structured response.

It does get exhausting having to constantly rebut these dumbed-down, weaponised one-liners that try to compress complex events into simplistic bullet points. Properly addressing issues like this requires a layered, thought-through response, and that inevitably takes more than a lazy one-line retort. But that effort is rarely matched - and not many seem willing to put in the work required for an intellectually honest discussion.

The reality is that issues like this are messy, complex, and full of nuance. Yet they’re repeatedly repackaged into neat anti-Trump jabs or partisan talking points rather than being examined on their actual merits.

This makes me wonder - if Trump weren’t involved at all, would the same voices be quite so quick to score political points, or might there be a more serious attempt to debate the facts and grapple with the complexities of what’s actually happening.

As a direct result of these strikes against the state sponsor of terror, it's logical to conclude that the international and domestic left has long been committed to a mission:

Calling everyone who rejects their and Obama's approach,portraying a terrorist culture as oppressed ,one born from imperialist conquest ,a Nazi.The ultimate goal of the left is a peaceful solution while supporting a state that uses violence,subversion with a 47 year history to prove it.

As many as 150 U.S. troops have been wounded during the war with Iran, according to a new report on Tuesday.

People familiar with the matter told Reuters that the number of wounded was far higher than the Pentagon has disclosed. The Defense Department has said that seven service members were killed in action.

The Pentagon did not respond to Reuters' reporting.

"It's within that ballpark," White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters later on Tuesday.

Up to 150 US troops wounded in Iran war despite Pentagon claims: report

5 minutes ago, bannork said:

As many as 150 U.S. troops have been wounded during the war with Iran, according to a new report on Tuesday.

People familiar with the matter told Reuters that the number of wounded was far higher than the Pentagon has disclosed. The Defense Department has said that seven service members were killed in action.

The Pentagon did not respond to Reuters' reporting.

"It's within that ballpark," White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters later on Tuesday.

Up to 150 US troops wounded in Iran war despite Pentagon claims: report

Over 35,000 Iranians were murdered by the evil regime, do you not care about them?

If 15,000 US troops were killed invading Israel to "free" the "Palestinians" you'd be creaming in your jeans.

On 3/10/2026 at 3:00 PM, BLMFem said:

Here's a reminder about the key persons driving the war on Iran on the US side, just in case anyone wondered why it isn't going so well.😂

And to add to that very disturbing fact, the whole trump circus also consists of these deadbeats.....god help America and the rest of the world!!

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17 minutes ago, bannork said:

As many as 150 U.S. troops have been wounded during the war with Iran, according to a new report on Tuesday.

It must be galling for the relatives/families of the soldiers killed and wounded in this "war" that trump considers them "Suckers and Losers". Despicable, he is an ignorant excuse for a human being.

15 minutes ago, xylophone said:

It must be galling for the relatives/families of the soldiers killed and wounded in this "war" that trump considers them "Suckers and Losers". Despicable, he is an ignorant excuse for a human being.

Another lie from the left that the left keeps regurgitating,

20 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

There are many more sources even some video's

There are no non-AI videos of Trump saying it.

John Kelly was one of thirty-five people at the meeting, the other 34 said that he never said it.

But keep lying lefty, it's what you do.

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1 hour ago, xylophone said:

It must be galling for the relatives/families of the soldiers killed and wounded in this "war" that trump considers them "Suckers and Losers". Despicable, he is an ignorant excuse for a human being.

Oh look the old suckers and losers hoax again

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9 minutes ago, xylophone said:

John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

Oh look the old suckers and losers hoax again LOL.

Bet you think Trump is controlled by Putin too

7 hours ago, JerryM said:

Yes all without one independently corroborated fact.

Independent corroboration exists from multiple sources that did not survive my posting. Thanks for noticing. I prefer to list sources in the text and then list them all as footnotes which obviously didn’t happen. Thank you for not rhetorically moving to dismiss my comment quickly!

Venezuela

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/venezuelan-immigrants-united-states-2025

United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and
International Organization for Migration (IOM). They jointly track the crisis through the R4V platform.
Reference:
“More than 7.7 million Venezuelans have left their country.”
Source: R4V Inter-Agency Coordination Platform (UNHCR/IOM)
https://www.r4v.info

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/venezuela-refugee-crisis-to-become-the-largest-and-most-underfunded-in-modern-history/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.unrefugees.org/emergencies/venezuela?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.cfr.org/articles/venezuelan-exodus?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.worldometers.info/oil/venezuela-oil/

https://lodi411.com/lodi-eye/venezuelas-oil-industry-in-global-market-january-2026

https://www.ipsedixit.news/data/venezuela-tops-global-oil-reserves-with-303-billion-barrels/182/a7011167cc

https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2021/09/30/encovi-2021-venezuela-is-the-poorest-country-in-latin-america/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.oas.org/docs/grupo-trabajo-venezuela/informe-preliminar-mar-2019/en/files/basic-html/page10.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2017/02/19/Venezuela-75-of-population-lost-19-pounds-amid-crisis/2441487523377/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://aleteia.org/2017/02/22/survey-shows-venezuelans-have-lost-average-of-19-pounds-over-past-year-due-to-food-shortages/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/24/venezuela-hungry-food-insecure-un-world-food-program?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/sustainable-food-systems/articles/10.3389/fsufs.2021.623603/full?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.cfr.org/articles/colombia-isnt-ready-new-venezuelan-migration-wave-plus-bukeles-mano-dura-threats-wont-fix

ENCOVI survey: https://www.proyectoencovi.com
WFP food security report on Venezuela: https://www.wfp.org/countries/venezuela
Humanitarian report summarizing ENCOVI findings: https://humanrightscommission.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/humanrightscommission.house.gov/files/documents/Venezuela%20CHE%20Food%20Dec%202018.pdf

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/27/hugo-carvajal-venezuela-pleads-guilty-drug-charges
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/the-united-states-indicts-venezuelas-maduro-on-narco-terrorism-charges/2020/03/26/a5a64122-6f68-11ea-a156-0048b62cdb51_story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/05/nicolas-maduro-venezuela-criminal-indictment

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/27/venezuelan-inflation-predicted-to-hit-1-million-percent-this-year.html

Nigeria

https://apnews.com/article/nigeria-weapons-sale-us-pentagon-security-46ef84cebf80f677ec7c3d402b89e8cb

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/nigeria-approves-652-million-china-exim-bank-road-finance-package-2025-05-06/
https://www.ide.go.jp/English/Data/Africa_file/Manualreport/cia_10.html
https://www.deloitte.com/us/en/insights/industry/government-public-sector-services/china-investment-africa-infrastructure-development.html

Iran

https://www.businesstoday.in/world/story/iran-bragged-about-having-60-enriched-fuel-enough-for-11-bombs-trump-envoy-reveals-what-happened-in-first-talks-519608-2026-03-08

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2019/sep/30/trump-sanctions-iran

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_United_States_strikes_on_Iranian_nuclear_sites?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/03/03/8023603/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-has-further-increased-production-of-near-weapons-grade-uranium-un-watchdog-says/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/witkoff-iran-negotiators-boasted-of-having-enough-enriched-uranium-to-build-11-nuclear-bombs/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

7 hours ago, JerryM said:

As you already posted.

'"It’s also reasonable to ask whether analysts commenting in a media context are bringing any institutional, political, or professional biases into their interpretation - something that happens in virtually every conflict."

And from the above: . They involve pulling together multiple sources, historical context, policy decisions, and strategic analysis.

What sources?

I think of this kind of post as the word used by Bill O'Reilly in his Fox days: BLOVIATE

Sources didn't survive my posting. Please check as I sent all sources I used for my comment. Thanks!

54 minutes ago, xylophone said:

John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

And the other 35 people that were there said he did not.

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3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And the other 35 people that were there said he did not.

Thats why it is a hoax. Umbrella Lady redux.

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1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Thats why it is a hoax. Umbrella Lady redux.

Lefties will believe anything if it's anti Trump.

We're to believe that Trump, speaking to a decorated general that was in uniform, while at a graveyard, during a ceremony honoring dead servicemen, called the dead servicemen suckers and losers.

And lefties call MAGAa stupid.

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

That kind of response is exactly the point I was making. It’s a classic debate tactic - not engaging with the argument itself, but dismissing it with a quick throwaway line designed to sound authoritative while avoiding the substance entirely.

You see the same handful of one-liners over and over:

“Source?”

“Citation needed”

“Post a link”

“That’s been debunked.”

“Fact check?”

“Is that peer reviewed?”

“Provide evidence”

“That’s misinformation”

“Where did you get that from?”

“Show me the proof”

They’re simply ways to try and score a point without doing the work of engaging with the reasoning or evidence behind it.

Serious discussions about complex geopolitical events rarely come neatly packaged in a single hyperlink or a two-line citation. They involve pulling together multiple sources, historical context, policy decisions, and strategic analysis. Reducing that to “post a link or it didn’t happen” isn’t debate - it’s just a way to shut down conversation without contributing anything meaningful.

If there’s a specific point you think is wrong, challenge it directly and explain why. That’s how debates work. But dismissing an entire argument with a one-line slogan is exactly the kind of intellectual laziness that turns serious discussions into comment-section point scoring.

Edit: Unless I was mistaken - and your response was based out of sarcastic humour to post in the the exact manner I'd levied criticism at - in which case +1 at the humour !!!!

Very good comment! Enjoyed reading it. Quite true what you posted.

My reference and source links didn't survive my posting, so I sent my references and sources to JerryM. He should have them now.

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

You'll be telling us he mocked a retarded "journalist" next😅

Gotta love the woke hoaxers efforts to bring down the man that wiped the floor with them in 3 straight elections

8 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You'll be telling us he mocked a retarded "journalist" next😅

Gotta love the woke hoaxers efforts to bring down the man that wiped the floor with them in 3 straight elections

Oh, and there were good Nazis

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1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, and there were good Nazis

Fine people on both sides.

And the ones that screech about "Nazis" are their philosophical heirs.

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

The MAGA faithful/rednecks want to believe donny and his team but unfortunately FACTS get in the way.....

"The Atlantic reported that Trump privately made damning statements against U.S. service members and veterans, such as the late Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who had been a Vietnam prisoner of war, and former President George H.W. Bush, who was shot down as a Navy pilot in World War II. During a visit to France in 2018 for the centennial anniversary of the end of World War I, Trump also reportedly called Marines who died at Belleau Wood “suckers” and fallen soldiers at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery “losers.”

 ALSO...Donald Trump said this about John McCain: “He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

So the MAGA faithful would like to believe a compulsive liar whose record is appalling.

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