1 hour ago, JAG said:

I don't give a tuppeny <deleted> if you think that I am a leftist, your views of that spectrum are completely incoherent, chaotic and warped; your comments on nuking Iran have established you as a psychotic, inhuman buffoon anyway, but I do take grave exception to the suggestion that I wish to see children die.

PS: don't bother me with any more conciliatory PMs either.

I agree, wholeheartedly.

To assert that anyone in Iran wants children to die is just sick.

6 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

The US must be taking lessons from the Israelis.  Will the US admit it?

The USA is controlled by Jewish money.

Many of them, like Miriam Adelson see on are also Israeli.

3 hours ago, 1tooth said:

Read this article about scumbags. From their own newspaper. It will put these actions into perspective.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-856407

Okay, this is over the top. About the weirdest thing I’ve ever read. Nothing, I might add, to do with antisemitism. These are wonderful, human women.

“There were public events, and there were internal ceremonies where I was tied to a tall post with handcuffs. Around me, there were other handcuffed victims with rituals of drinking menstrual blood and the slaughter of cats and other animals. They told me no one would believe me if I spoke out.”

“Treat this as terrorism.”

I wonder what group these cult people belong to. Anyone else heard about this?

When I read the title, because the IDF is conscripted and co-ed. I assumed there was the misogynistic abuse that occurs in every army in which there are women.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

The attacks on Iran could be unjustified.

That's what this guy claims. And he claims the negotiations between Trump and Iran were a sham.

I'm not commenting on the wars anymore. I don't know what's going on.

You don't need to understand politics or money or oil or weapons profits or motivation.

You just need to speak out against war...any war. How can anyone defend killing other humans? Think that will solve everything.

15 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

You don't need to understand politics or money or oil or weapons profits or motivation.

You just need to speak out against war...any war. How can anyone defend killing other humans? Think that will solve everything.

So letting Hitler invade was your plan

39 minutes ago, JimCM said:

The USA is controlled by Jewish money.

Many of them, like Miriam Adelson see on are also Israeli.

Of course it is. The question is not whether the anti semitic nightmare of Jewish domination exists (because it does) but what to do about the parasitic stranglehold of the jews on the west? Surely you must have a solution.

7 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Monstrous allies

[Reuters, Associated Press, Int’l Fleet Review, The Diplomat, Wikipedia]

On March 5, the Iranian frigate, IRIS Dena, was torpedoed by a US nuclear attack submarine, the USS Charlotte, in the Indian Ocean off Sri Lanka. Appears they took photos to send home to the kids.

FOX”news” called it a “no mercy” strike, sort of like shooting a person on Fifth Avenue. (Sorry, Luigi…)

The Iranian vessel, with a crew of 130 onboard had finished participating in biennial MILAN-26 naval exercises February 16-26 with 26 countries…including the United States. The exercise this year was meant to highlight India’s ‘soft power' in the region. It got really soft after this despicable incident.

The Dena was “a guest of India’s Navy”. India is the net security provider in the Indian Ocean. However, India offered no humanitarian aid, as required under universal maritime law, to the crew of any vessel in danger. Nor has India issued any official statement regarding the incident.

Neutral Sri Lanka immediately organised the rescue effort with both ships and planes. There are only 32 survivors.

MILAN is the largest multinational naval drills in the Indo-Pacific with more than 70 countries participating. Its theme "Camaraderie, Cooperation, Collaboration” included 18 warships from “foreign friendly nations”. WTF, eh!

No ship was allowed to carry ammunition during the exercises. That means a US vessel sunk an unarmed vessel in int’l waters without provocation…in peacetime and nowhere near any conflict zone. If you don’t see this as murder, you’ve got your eyes closed.

The Sea Phase trials were designed to enhance maritime cooperation and interoperability such as coordinated maritime security operations, tactical manoeuvres, communications drills and maritime interdiction (Caribbean?) as well as anti-submarine warfare (guess they failed that one), surface firing air defence and search and rescue (won by Sri Lanka).

Australia, Bangladesh, France, Indonesia, Iran, Japan, Malaysia, Mauritius, Myanmar, Russia, Seychelles, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Thailand, United States and Vietnam participated.

MILAN-26 is a rare effort at global cooperation among countries with very different views about what constitutes security and sovereignty.

Will this ever happen again now that America swung its big dick hard…for no reason…and ended the exercise with a bang.

After this appalling attack, another Iranian warship, IRIS Booshehr, was allowed to dock a Trincomalee and its 208 crew housed at a Sri Lanka naval base. A third warship,  IRIS Lavan, was allowed to dock at Kochi  and its crew 183 crew housed in Indian naval facilities.

It’s a 2,000 mile sea journey from Sri Lanka to Iran. Waters fraught with danger due to US aggression. I hope all these sailors apply for refugee status in India and Sri Lanka.

Shajarah Tayyebeh primary school

The United States is likely responsible for the 175 civilian deaths at a Tehran girls’ school. The girls were between seven and twelve years old. UNESCO has condemned the bombing as “a grave violation of international law”.

Both the school and the adjacent Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps naval base were bombed at the same time.

Republican funder, Matt Schlapp, of the Conservative PAC said on Piers Morgan Uncensored Iranian schoolgirls are “better dead than in a burqa”. 7 to 12 year olds…

The US must be taking lessons from the Israelis.  Will the US admit it?

More reprehensible propaganda shared by you, much of it malicious innuendo. Malicious because of the intentional bias.

Iran is attacking multiple neutral nations at this time including UAE, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Jordan, Qatar, Azerbaijan and indirectly Turkiye. Iran has stated that it will sink vessels in the strait of Hormuz and any US flagged vessels anywhere in the world. This makes Iranian naval vessels legitimate targets.

The Milan event concluded February 27 and the Iranian vessel had departed for international waters on February 2. Almost a week later, the Dena was neutralized on March 4 in international waters. You criticize India for not "rescuing" hostile combatants. As of March 4, Iran was threatening Indian national security, declaring the Strait of Hormuz closed and blocking oil and gas shipments to India. Iran also threatened to sink Indian tankers.

The Iranian vessel was in the search and rescue territory of Sri Lanka. That is why the Sri Lankans responded. It is a an established protocol. Despite the Sri Lankan responsibility, as the BBC has reported, the Indian Navy deployed a long-range maritime patrol aircraft to support the search and kept another aircraft with air-droppable life rafts on standby. And yet here you are to withold important contextual facts so that you can criticize India. The Dena was 400+ nautical miles away from India and off the coast of Sri Lanka. India had no legal or moral obligation to rush out and rescue people who had threatened India, but they did. You should be praising the Indians, not insulting them.

Equally offensive is the statement, 'Appears they took photos to send home to the kids'. As close to a blatant lie as is possible. Looks to me like the author and the person sharing it wanted to offer a negative as possible comment as possible without being called liars. The documentation of the warship sinking was just that: Proof that a hostile warship was sunk. This is standard practice for all advanced militaries. The USN could have just sunk the vessel and gone on its merry way. Instead, it offered transparency and took immediate responsibility.

The Dena was a hostile warship under the command of the Iranian regime with orders to attack and to sink vessels in the strait of Hormuz, and to seize vessels flagged under specific flags of allies of the USA. It was appropriately neutralized.

5 hours ago, khaosokman said:

He's right though. Their lives are awful.

A viewpoint strangely reminiscent of the Goebbels maxim

Lieber tot als rot

Better dead than red. But its not up to your country whether they live or die. Americans aren't God (or really all that Godly), no matter how many hands are laid on the President.

6 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

You just need to speak out against war...any war. How can anyone defend killing other humans? Think that will solve everything.

No, that's too naive.

If you go around like a hippie, it's silly.

Because the other guys might kill you if you're too passive.

It's the kind of world we live in.

Sometimes you really do need to take out the bad guy.

6 hours ago, khaosokman said:

So letting Hitler invade was your plan

If the German people didnt let that happen, it could had been different, but thats a long shot for those who wholeheartedly support only one side in politics, they accept and defend decisions that lead them in to another war

15 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

No, that's too naive.

If you go around like a hippie, it's silly.

Because the other guys might kill you if you're too passive.

It's the kind of world we live in.

Sometimes you really do need to take out the bad guy.

Its in our DNA, if two neighbours kills each other over land issues, even we had that problem here, but we managed to solve it. It does put a stress on you, and you want to deal with it with violence by instincts, but understand the consequences if you do, and most will not.

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Its in our DNA, if two neighbours kills each other over land issues, even we had that problem here, but we managed to solve it. It does put a stress on you, and you want to deal with it with violence by instincts, but understand the consequences if you do, and most will not.

Before neighbors resort to violence, usually there are some words exchanged. And the guy doesn't want to compromise, so it escalates.

Countries often do the same. They try to sort it out diplomatically first.

Who knows what's going on behind the scenes and which wars are justified?

Germany attacked Poland. What if Poland had attacked Germany pre-emptively because they knew Germany was going to attack? Would that make Poland the bad guy?

I love being American. My great grandfather fought in the American Civil Jihad.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

Before neighbors resort to violence, usually there are some words exchanged. And the guy doesn't want to compromise, so it escalates.

Countries often do the same. They try to sort it out diplomatically first.

Who knows what's going on behind the scenes and which wars are justified?

Germany attacked Poland. What if Poland had attacked Germany pre-emptively because they knew Germany was going to attack? Would that make Poland the bad guy?

I love being American. My great grandfather fought in the American Civil Jihad.

Big part of Germany was given to Poland post world war 1. so many Germans and German speaking people lived in Poland at the time, and thats the reason Hitler wanted justice for Germany and the German people now living in Poland. Not so different from what Putin claims now, and putins tactic

AI

That’s a striking historical parallel that many historians and political analysts have noted.

The core of the comparison lies in the concept of irredentism—the claim that a territory should be "returned" to a country based on historical or ethnic ties. Here are a few ways the two situations mirror each other: 

• Protecting Ethnic Minorities: Hitler used the alleged mistreatment of the German minority in the Polish Corridor and Danzig to justify his invasion. Similarly, Putin justified the invasion of Ukraine by claiming he needed to protect Russian-speakers in the Donbas from "genocide."

• Correction of "Historical Mistakes": Hitler viewed the Treaty of Versailles as a humiliation that unfairly stripped Germany of its rightful land. Putin has frequently described the collapse of the Soviet Union as a "geopolitical catastrophe" and argued that modern borders are artificial.

• Incremental Aggression: Both leaders used smaller territorial gains—Hitler with the Sudetenland and Putin with Crimea—to test international resolve before launching a full-scale invasion. 

The primary difference lies in the global response; the "appeasement" of the 1930s is often cited as the reason modern alliances were so quick to provide military aid to Ukraine today

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Big part of Germany was given to Poland post world war 1. so many Germans and German speaking people lived in Poland at the time, and thats the reason Hitler wanted justice for Germany and the German people now living in Poland.

Yeah, I didn't even know that.

And Hitler is always portrayed as the bad guy, but it's not so black and white.

And similarly in all conflicts, it's hard to know what is justified and what isn't half the time.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, I didn't even know that.

And Hitler is always portrayed as the bad guy, but it's not so black and white.

And similarly in all conflicts, it's hard to know what is justified and what isn't half the time.

Hitler is still Hitler, and a bad guy, and he made promises in Mine Kampf.

Sounds familiar ?

In his 1925 manifesto

Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler outlined a detailed vision to restore Germany’s status as a world power through extreme nationalism, racial purification, and territorial expansion. He framed these promises as a "struggle" to overcome the "humiliation" of Germany’s defeat in World War I.

The truth is the borders in Europe had been redrawn multiple times throughout many centuries, so who really owned the land at the borders, where depending on who had the most will and power to keep them or change them for time being. Chaotic times it always been.

23 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, I didn't even know that.

And Hitler is always portrayed as the bad guy, but it's not so black and white.

A squeal of brakes, and the convoy of open top 6 wheel Mercedes-Benz carrying the "Hitler had a point, he was just misunderstood" brigade pulls up outside!

Hitler, and the entire NAZI construct, from "Mein Kampf" on was foul, evil, murderous and very nearly destroyed European civilisation. It was directed towards, and very nearly succeeded in an attempt to conduct, industrial genocide against the Slavic and Jewish peoples. Poland lost 20% of it's population to the NAZI machine - 20%!

47 minutes ago, JAG said:

A squeal of brakes, and the convoy of open top 6 wheel Mercedes-Benz carrying the "Hitler had a point, he was just misunderstood" brigade pulls up outside!

Hitler, and the entire NAZI construct, from "Mein Kampf" on was foul, evil, murderous and very nearly destroyed European civilisation. It was directed towards, and very nearly succeeded in an attempt to conduct, industrial genocide against the Slavic and Jewish peoples. Poland lost 20% of it's population to the NAZI machine - 20%!

More history, it was not only Germany, both parts went after the Intelligentsia in Poland.

The treaty you're referring to is the

Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, signed on August 23, 1939. It included a "secret protocol" that carved up Poland and other parts of Eastern Europe into Soviet and German "spheres of influence". 

Wikipedia +2

Your observation about the systematic execution of Polish elites is also accurate. Both regimes independently launched campaigns to "decapitate" the Polish nation by eliminating its leadership and intellectual classes: 

Soviet Repressions

The most infamous event was the Katyn Massacre in the spring of 1940. 

Wikipedia +3

• Target: Polish military officers, police, and the "intelligentsia," including professors, doctors, lawyers, and engineers.

• Deaths: Approximately 22,000 Polish citizens were executed by the NKVD (Soviet secret police) in the Katyn Forest and other locations.

• Motive: To prevent the rebuilding of an independent Polish state by destroying its most capable leaders. 

  Wikipedia +4

German Repressions

While the Soviets were carrying out the Katyn Massacre, Nazi Germany was conducting its own parallel operations in western and central Poland: 

Virtual Shtetl +1

• Intelligenzaktion: A campaign to systematically murder about 100,000 Polish elites, including teachers, priests, and activists.

• Sonderaktion Krakau: On November 6, 1939, German forces arrested 183 professors and academics from Jagiellonian University and other institutions in Kraków, most of whom were sent to concentration camps.

• AB-Aktion: An "Extraordinary Pacification Action" in mid-1940 that resulted in the execution of roughly 3,500 additional members of the Polish intelligentsia. 

  Wikipedia +5

Joint Cooperation: Historians have noted that between 1939 and 1940, the Gestapo and NKVD held several conferences (notably in Zakopane and Krakow) to coordinate their shared goal of suppressing Polish resistance and exchanging "experiences" in dealing with the Polish elite

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

Hitler is still Hitler, and a bad guy, and he made promises in Mine Kampf.

90% of history is revisionist history.

No one barely understands what's going on now, let alone in 1942.

There's 15 different theories floating around about this Iran war. No one knows who to believe.

Everyone is focusing on Israel, but ....

The fact that the Strait of Hormuz was controlled by "Lloyd's of London" is not being discussed much. Now Trump is the insurer in the Strait of Hormuz. No one barely even knows this. But it may not be a minor issue at all. There might be a subtle behind the scenes war / power grab going on between Washington and London.

And is it justified? You tell me. You need 15 Phds in geopolitics and history to know what is and isn't justified.

The torpedoing of that ship by an American sub was the first such act since World War II, and it was no doubt done to increase the esteem of Tiny Petie. A man of incredibly minor accomplishments who even Fox News would not promoke to a significant host position. And yet pick Trump pick him, because he thought he was handsome. Trump likes handsome men.

It was an act of cruelty, it was downright sadistic considering the fact that the US was one of 74 Nations that participated in those exercises with Iran, and waited until the boat was some distance from Sri Lanka before sinking it. Barbaric acts like that are gaining the US very little sympathy on the world stage, but since Trump had already trashed America's reputation in the past year I guess they figure it doesn't matter at this point.

It was cold blooded murder.

11 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

90% of history is revisionist history.

No one barely understands what's going on now, let alone in 1942.

There's 15 different theories floating around about this Iran war. No one knows who to believe.

Everyone is focusing on Israel, but ....

The fact that the Strait of Hormuz was controlled by "Lloyd's of London" is not being discussed much. Now Trump is the insurer in the Strait of Hormuz. No one barely even knows this. But it may not be a minor issue at all. There might be a subtle behind the scenes war / power grab going on between Washington and London.

And is it justified? You tell me. You need 15 Phds in geopolitics and history to know what is and isn't justified.

The strange thing is, Hitler had described in details what he wanted to do, and guess what ?

There are similarities that happens in history that continue to repeat itself. Sometimes 2+2 becomes 4, not always, but usually

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

Big part of Germany was given to Poland post world war 1. so many Germans and German speaking people lived in Poland at the time, and thats the reason Hitler wanted justice for Germany and the German people now living in Poland. Not so different from what Putin claims now, and putins tactic

AI

That’s a striking historical parallel that many historians and political analysts have noted.

The core of the comparison lies in the concept of irredentism—the claim that a territory should be "returned" to a country based on historical or ethnic ties. Here are a few ways the two situations mirror each other: 

• Protecting Ethnic Minorities: Hitler used the alleged mistreatment of the German minority in the Polish Corridor and Danzig to justify his invasion. Similarly, Putin justified the invasion of Ukraine by claiming he needed to protect Russian-speakers in the Donbas from "genocide."

• Correction of "Historical Mistakes": Hitler viewed the Treaty of Versailles as a humiliation that unfairly stripped Germany of its rightful land. Putin has frequently described the collapse of the Soviet Union as a "geopolitical catastrophe" and argued that modern borders are artificial.

• Incremental Aggression: Both leaders used smaller territorial gains—Hitler with the Sudetenland and Putin with Crimea—to test international resolve before launching a full-scale invasion. 

The primary difference lies in the global response; the "appeasement" of the 1930s is often cited as the reason modern alliances were so quick to provide military aid to Ukraine today

Unfair and inaccurate statements. It wasn't Germany that was "given" to Poland. rather, it was the return of Polish territory seized by the Prussian expansionists who had became a part of Germany in the 1871 unification. The Treaty of Versailles reestablished the nation of Poland, a sovereign nation that had been invaded and carved up by successive European powers.

27 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Unfair and inaccurate statements. It wasn't Germany that was "given" to Poland. rather, it was the return of Polish territory seized by the Prussian expansionists who had became a part of Germany in the 1871 unification. The Treaty of Versailles reestablished the nation of Poland, a sovereign nation that had been invaded and carved up by successive European powers.

Thanks for the heads up, and thats why I also added Putins thinking of the identical situation about Ukraine. Not so different how a certain president now thinks, and also often say out loud what he thinks.

AI-oversikt

The historical context surrounding the territorial changes in the Treaty of Versailles (1919) is a subject of significant, often heated debate. The perspectives on whether these actions constituted a fair "return" of land or an unjustified transfer of German territory often depend on whether the focus is placed on 18th-century partitions or 19th-century demographics and 1871 German unification.

 

Here is a breakdown of the historical points based on the provided search results:

1. Context of Territorial Transfers (Versailles, 1919)

• Recreation of Poland: The Treaty of Versailles officially recognized the re-emergence of an independent Poland (the Second Polish Republic) after 123 years of being partitioned by Russia, Prussia, and Austria.

• "Return" vs. "Transfer": Much of the territory assigned to Poland—specifically in the region of Posen (Poznań) and West Prussia—had been seized by the Kingdom of Prussia during the Partitions of Poland in the late 18th century.

• The Polish Corridor: The Treaty created the "Polish Corridor" through former West Prussian territory to grant Poland necessary access to the Baltic Sea, separating East Prussia from the rest of Germany. 

  Wikipedia +5

2. German Perspective and 1871 Unification

• Prussian Expansionism: The regions transferred to Poland had been under Prussian, and later German Imperial, rule since the late 1700s and were part of the German Empire established in 1871.

• Demographics: By 1919, many of these areas had significant German populations due to centuries of settlement and deliberate Germanization policies by the Prussian state.

• "Diktat" and Resentment: Many Germans viewed the loss of these lands, particularly West Prussia and the separation of East Prussia, as an unfair, punitive "diktat" (dictated peace) that violated the principle of national self-determination for the German speakers living there. 

3. The Shift in 1945

• Final Boundaries: Following World War II, the borders were shifted again. The Potsdam Conference confirmed that Poland would receive the southern part of East Prussia and lands east of the Oder and Nysa Łużycka Rivers, which were historically German, as a "recompense" for territories lost to the Soviet Union in the East.

• Displacement: This move was accompanied by the expulsion of millions of Germans, making the 1945 boundaries different from the 1919 ones. 

  Reddit +3

In summary, the 1919 border changes were viewed by Poles as a long-overdue rectification of the illegal partitions, while many Germans viewed them as a harsh injustice and a loss of legitimate national territory

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

More reprehensible propaganda shared by you, much of it malicious innuendo. Malicious because of the intentional bias.

Iran is attacking multiple neutral nations at this time including UAE, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Jordan, Qatar, Azerbaijan and indirectly Turkiye. Iran has stated that it will sink vessels in the strait of Hormuz and any US flagged vessels anywhere in the world. This makes Iranian naval vessels legitimate targets.

The Milan event concluded February 27 and the Iranian vessel had departed for international waters on February 2. Almost a week later, the Dena was neutralized on March 4 in international waters. You criticize India for not "rescuing" hostile combatants. As of March 4, Iran was threatening Indian national security, declaring the Strait of Hormuz closed and blocking oil and gas shipments to India. Iran also threatened to sink Indian tankers.

The Iranian vessel was in the search and rescue territory of Sri Lanka. That is why the Sri Lankans responded. It is a an established protocol. Despite the Sri Lankan responsibility, as the BBC has reported, the Indian Navy deployed a long-range maritime patrol aircraft to support the search and kept another aircraft with air-droppable life rafts on standby. And yet here you are to withold important contextual facts so that you can criticize India. The Dena was 400+ nautical miles away from India and off the coast of Sri Lanka. India had no legal or moral obligation to rush out and rescue people who had threatened India, but they did. You should be praising the Indians, not insulting them.

Equally offensive is the statement, 'Appears they took photos to send home to the kids'. As close to a blatant lie as is possible. Looks to me like the author and the person sharing it wanted to offer a negative as possible comment as possible without being called liars. The documentation of the warship sinking was just that: Proof that a hostile warship was sunk. This is standard practice for all advanced militaries. The USN could have just sunk the vessel and gone on its merry way. Instead, it offered transparency and took immediate responsibility.

The Dena was a hostile warship under the command of the Iranian regime with orders to attack and to sink vessels in the strait of Hormuz, and to seize vessels flagged under specific flags of allies of the USA. It was appropriately neutralized.

Pat, I'm not very good at innuendo or hints. I try to get right to the sharp point.

Do I have strong opinions? (Duh.) That's why AN exists. To promote discourse, share opinions and have conversations. We all don't always get to the same place and some succumb to schoolyard insults.

It's pretty obvious I'm not a bot with six fingers. I'll be the first to state my posts are entirely biased. Perhaps they are propaganda to serve my own opinions.

I have absolute no opinion about Iran as a sovereign nation-state. But I think any country would fight back by targeting the assets of their aggressors. The Strait of Hormuz is in Iran. If Iran chooses to close it, well, tough titty. I fail to see that its closure has anything whatsoever to do with India's "national security". More to the point, will India remain neutral in the war on Iran.

You call a surprise attack by a US submarine killing 80 sailors "neutralising'?!? Pretty warped, along with "eliminated". Israel & the US planned this war and started it. If Iran plans to attack US ships, well, the US started it.

In WWII, both Allies & Nazis rescued people from U-boats & bombed ships. That 'decorum', if you will, the sanctity of human life, is long gone, as evidenced by the bombings of so-called drug boats.

You mention tankers, which I find most interesting. The US seized Venezuela & is intent on stealing its oil, i.e., tankers. The West is targeting Russia's 'ghost fleet' tankers. It is repugnant to me that Iran would attack tankers going to India but, honestly, can't you see their point?

I can't speak to the immediacy of India's responce. My insult was directed at the Modi govt for remaining silent on this incident for a full day. They were the MILAN hosts. Bravo that they went out to save people. I noted very clearly that one of the Iranian ships was permitted to dock in India and its sailors accommodated.

No lying involved. I'll try to add an /s for sarcasm in case there are those who don't get it. Seriously, though, what are those submariners going to tell their families, their neighbours. Who made the decision??? Pete Wino?

The US Navy took "immediate responsibility"?!? It announced the hit as dick-swinging, power move: Hoo-rah...

Thank you, though, for intelligent rejoinder, Patong.

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

No, that's too naive.

If you go around like a hippie, it's silly.

Because the other guys might kill you if you're too passive.

It's the kind of world we live in.

Sometimes you really do need to take out the bad guy.

Wow, Froggy, that's how war has been perpetuated through history. We're still just cavemen with clubs. My naivete has been lifelong and it has served me well. And thank you for the compliment. At 75, I'm still a hippie and make love not war. Not silly at all. When you blame it "on the world we live in", you're not looking at how that worldview was created and who's behind it. There really aren't any bad guys, just money and power.

14 hours ago, Hummin said:

At least it doesnt hurt when you make up your mind? Simple truths always works best where they fits your narrative!

One thing is to think it, but saying it in public ? C´Mon

The terrorists are now attacking your country.

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

The strange thing is, Hitler had described in details what he wanted to do, and guess what ?

There are similarities that happens in history that continue to repeat itself. Sometimes 2+2 becomes 4, not always, but usually

Nobody believed Trump, either, and look what happened. It was crazy talk, he must be joking. And we didn't take him seriously.

24 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

We're still just cavemen with clubs.

Not all human beings are the same. I posted a video by Eckhart Tolle. No one watched it. But all human beings are at different levels of consciousness. Many people still want war. And many of those are in positions of power.

John Lennon tried and failed. The Ayatollah never listened to the Beatles.

To be honest, it's hard to know which wars shoulda coulda been avoided since they don't tell us everything behind the scenes.

22 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

The terrorists are now attacking your country.

No country is free for terrorism, sometimes within and sometime external forces.

Thats how the world works, and we have been doing stuff to, what others could address as terrorism as well. We dropped 650 bombs on Libya without putting a foot on the land, except maybe a few special forces

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Not all human beings are the same. There are some murderers still in society. It's practically in their DNA.

John Lennon tried and failed. The Ayatollah never listened to the Beatles.

To be honest, it's hard to know which wars shoulda coulda been avoided since they don't tell us everything behind the scenes.

There will always be sociopaths and megalomaniacs because they are created at home before they leave the house. They get followers from the same environments, along with some who are looking to fit in anywhere, even if it is in a cult that has murder on their minds. Once you have one maniac that gets into power, there will be followers, even if they doubt them themselves at first.

People vote for these weirdos, along with those appointed by like minded individuals that already have a position of power, and some forcing their way into power, killing their opponents, a coalition of religious groups, dislike of Pahlavi at that time,which created support, followed by suppression, like Iran's leader did. Surprising there are so many that still back this kind of sick character, but it happens all over.

Seeing how Iranians in other countries feel now shows many don't.

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

There will always be sociopaths and megalomaniacs because they are created at home before they leave the house. They get followers from the same environments, along with some who are looking to fit in anywhere, even if it is in a cult that has murder on their minds. Once you have one maniac that gets into power, there will be followers, even if they doubt them themselves at first.

People vote for these weirdos, along with those appointed by like minded individuals that already have a position of power, and some forcing their way into power, killing their opponents, a coalition of religious groups, dislike of Pahlavi at that time,which created support, followed by suppression, like Iran's leader did. Surprising there are so many that still back this kind of sick character, but it happens all over.

Seeing how Iranians in other countries feel now shows many don't.

Socialism is an illness. It created all these cults.