3 minutes ago, mania said:

Ask yourself if a country came to yours & killed your leader then also as a side bar killed 150+ school kids what would you be willing to do?

If I was a member of an Abrahamic religion, I'd be screaming for retribution, i.e., global Jihad or global Crusade against the murders. And had my family been victims, I'd spend the rest of my life planning ways to seek revenge including on the soil of the invader's countries.

But luckily I'm a Buddhist and not from one of the "eye-for-an-eye" Abrahamic religions. I'd personally seek acceptance and renew my own tenets of non-violence and find ways to forgive my enemies compassionately from a Buddhist perspective.

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

@Jingthing

You don't realize the USA is not trying to win anything. Just knock their military capabilities back a few decades. With any luck, get a better govt installed, for the people to live out of the Islamic stone age.

USA has already won big time, as sure oil exports with skyrocket.

And have the people of America won anything? The majority of the voters ?

I see Usa opening for sale of their oil reserves gained and stored at a cost, but now selling high, but still, you need to restock at a very low price, and that takes time.

Neither Iran or Us wins anything, Israel wins temporary peace maybe, China ? Will win the propaganda war, especially in Asia, maybe elsewhere to. We will know soon enough, or at least some of us here at the forum who will be still alive in 10 years. There is no guarantee for any of us. Those who lives will see maybe better to state.

5 minutes ago, connda said:

If I was a member of an Abrahamic religion, I'd be screaming for retribution, i.e., global Jihad or global Crusade against the murders. And had my family been victims, I'd spend the rest of my life planning ways to seek revenge including on the soil of the invader's countries.

But luckily I'm a Buddhist and not from one of the "eye-for-an-eye" Abrahamic religions. I'd personally seek acceptance and renew my own tenets of non-violence and find ways to forgive my enemies compassionately from a Buddhist perspective.

Same for myself Connda!

I try really hard to just say not my monkey not my circus.

But I see pictures of mothers crying & feel so sad as a parent I cannot imagine what that must feel like

5 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Iran is winning and will likely win the war against the USA

Correction:

Iran has already won

That they have. They won the moment the US made a martyr of Ali Khamenei who was sitting in his home-office waiting to be martyred.

Just like Vietnam won, just like Iraq won, just like Yeman won, and just like Afghanistan’s Taliban won. They had all won shortly after the fighting started because the US can 'make a desert in an invaded country and call it peace,' but they can not win an insurgency militarily. Never have, never will. All of the wars the US fought for decades ended with massive destruction of the targeted country, near 100% tactical combat wins against rag-tag coalitions of insurgent fighters, hundreds of thousands (millions) of civilian deaths (callously called "Collateral Damage), yet at the end - they lose the war. So will go Iran.

24 minutes ago, connda said:

That they have. They won the moment the US made a martyr of Ali Khamenei who was sitting in his home-office waiting to be martyred.

Just like Vietnam won, just like Iraq won, just like Yeman won, and just like Afghanistan’s Taliban won. They had all won shortly after the fighting started because the US can 'make a desert in an invaded country and call it peace,' but they can not win an insurgency militarily. Never have, never will. All of the wars the US fought for decades ended with massive destruction of the targeted country, near 100% tactical combat wins against rag-tag coalitions of insurgent fighters, hundreds of thousands (millions) of civilian deaths (callously called "Collateral Damage), yet at the end - they lose the war. So will go Iran.

You havent read latest propaganda news ? Ali Khamenei was killed by a female fighter jet pilot who dropped the bombs on him, so no 72 virgins for him, he is going to hell, and not becoming an Martyr.

Thats why females in the Army matters, and think if she was a transgender ?

25 minutes ago, connda said:

That they have. They won the moment the US made a martyr of Ali Khamenei who was sitting in his home-office waiting to be martyred.

Just like Vietnam won, just like Iraq won, just like Yeman won, and just like Afghanistan’s Taliban won. They had all won shortly after the fighting started because the US can 'make a desert in an invaded country and call it peace,' but they can not win an insurgency militarily. Never have, never will. All of the wars the US fought for decades ended with massive destruction of the targeted country, near 100% tactical combat wins against rag-tag coalitions of insurgent fighters, hundreds of thousands (millions) of civilian deaths (callously called "Collateral Damage), yet at the end - they lose the war. So will go Iran.

You mean that:

One should never be goaded into fighting a war that one can, or cannot, win?

Are you saying: "never be goaded"?

Sorry: Too late....

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It certainly doesn't please me to realize this dark reality.

This is a war that Trump (snookered by Israel) should have never started in the first place.

However, this war more than anything else clearly signals to me that the American empire is declining rapidly. Maybe call it a suicide.

This topic is being started to discuss and track the events related to Iran winning this war against the USA.

I call it a war against the USA rather than a war against the USA and Israel because it would be an entirely different thing or even a big nothing if Trump hadn't gone for it bigly.

The "victory conditions" for the Iranian regime are that it should not surrender to the US, that it remains unoccupied by US forces and that it continues to reject US hegemony.....those are the same conditions that applied to the UK in the "Battle of Britain" it fought against Germany in 1940.

Under those conditions Iran presently remains a "winner"........as Britain was in 1940.

I imagine that the president of the US is seething with rage at Iran for not yet submitting, as Hitler was with Britain.

Doubtless the US will survive this battle and still remain a powerful and threatening adversary, as Germany remained in 1940 post BoB.

Iran is clearly in the driver's seat.

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It certainly doesn't please me to realize this dark reality.

This is a war that Trump (snookered by Israel) should have never started in the first place.

However, this war more than anything else clearly signals to me that the American empire is declining rapidly. Maybe call it a suicide.

This topic is being started to discuss and track the events related to Iran winning this war against the USA.

I call it a war against the USA rather than a war against the USA and Israel because it would be an entirely different thing or even a big nothing if Trump hadn't gone for it bigly.

Respect to you for seeing the light, despite your ethnicity. Not many Americans left supporting Israel.

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Iran is clearly in the driver's seat.

I love it, you'll be watching Finkelstein next....

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

And have the people of America won anything? The majority of the voters ?

I see Usa opening for sale of their oil reserves gained and stored at a cost, but now selling high, but still, you need to restock at a very low price, and that takes time.

Neither Iran or Us wins anything, Israel wins temporary peace maybe, China ? Will win the propaganda war, especially in Asia, maybe elsewhere to. We will know soon enough, or at least some of us here at the forum who will be still alive in 10 years. There is no guarantee for any of us. Those who lives will see maybe better to state.

Not saying it was a good idea, as the only people benefiting are the expansionist zionist, which I hate.

Not a fan of putting US military in harm's way for other countries or corporations. Totally against being in the middle east, any aspect of it. Or having US military anywhere in the world, except along USA borders.

3 hours ago, EastBayRay said:

If you’re trying to pretend you’re not supporting Iran against Trump you’re not doing a very good job

Amazing how lefties support anyone against their own country and people

Sad actually

LOL!

If "lefties" supported anyone against their own country and people, lefties would all support Trump.

You see lefties, who are the last remaining true American patriots, support the ideals of the US as laid down by the Founders: free speech, a free press. freedom from unlawful search and seizure, equality under the law, etc.

Trump is against all of that. He tries to prosecute people merely for criticizing him, wants broadcast license pulled for networks who criticize him or employ comedians who make fun of him, he likes masked and unidentified secret police, and he thinks it's okay to use his position to enrich himself to the tune of $4 billion since January 2025.

True patriots also expect both a rationale for war and a clear objective, as even lefties sometimes go into harm's way or send their sons and daughters into it.

There is no such thing as "my country right or wrong". The US is a democracy, not a monarchy or dictatorship.

Add to this---not only the lies and inconsistent messaging---the psychopathic nonsense of the White House itself posting videos of strikes interspersed with NFL football highlights and video games. That is disgusting and makes the US a sick joke of a once great nation.

13 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Not saying it was a good idea, as the only people benefiting are the expansionist zionist, which I hate.

Not a fan of putting US military in harm's way for other countries or corporations. Totally against being in the middle east, any aspect of it. Or having US military anywhere in the world, except along USA borders.

The world biggest economy also comes with side effects, if Us is not present, some other competitive country or alliance will be.

Being an Empire do have its own way of running and protects their own interests, and no Empire in history did not have soldiers on Foreign soils.

Main goal, keep the conflicts outside, and consume the wealth inside, but you need alliance who also want the same to play the game

Simply stated without AI

Just now, Hummin said:

The world biggest economy also comes with side effects, if Us is not present, some other competitive country or alliance will be.

Being an Empire do have its own way of running and protects their own interests, and no Empire in history did not have soldiers on Foreign soils.

Main goal, keep the conflicts outside, and consume the wealth inside, but you need alliance who also want the same to play the game

Simply stated without AI

I get that, and keeping RU & CN away from controlling what USA needs now or in the future. Always better to fight any battles in their backyard, instead of your own.

50 minutes ago, Wingate said:

There is no such thing as "my country right or wrong". The US is a democracy, not a monarchy or dictatorship.

It’s my country

Love it or leave it

We are sick of you trying to destroy it

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Nobody is saying the Iranian regime is good or not a promoter of terrorism.

That's not the point.

What Trump is doing is not the way to deal with them and if you actually followed the news. you would know it is BACKFIRING badly.

For once, I agree with you - the USA will be hated for decades to come, and they have no chance of defeating a 5000-year-old civilisation.

35 minutes ago, bangadang said:

For once, I agree with you - the USA will be hated for decades to come, and they have no chance of defeating a 5000-year-old civilisation.

So the mullahs represent a 5000-year-old civilization? Tell that to Muhammad!

It is to RESTORE Iran as a civilized multi-ethnic & multi-religious member of the world's great nations that this battle is (now) being fought.

The fact that Trump wouldn't have a clue is irrelevant. He's merely History's useful numbskull.

This is certainly a possibility that Trump nor any of his supporters want to contemplate. We just don't know where this war is going, but when Trump or Tiny Petie says they're wrapping it up, that reminds me a lot of Bush Jr. standing on the deck of that aircraft carrier saying mission complete in Iraq.

One thing is for sure and that is that those two absolute goons don't know a hell of a lot more than they know.