9 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

Does this mean that you have backpedalled from your claim that New York Pizza is a healthy food? I mean you have literally claimed for years that you proved that it is. Now you seem to be saying something else.

I consider NY Pizza healthy food, depending what if any toppings are used. Cheeses and protein topping would easily help offset the carb load, which should have very little added sugar, along with the tomato sauce.

A good whole wheat dough would be a plus. Tomato sauce, and 2 of the healthiest cheeses; Parmesan & Mozzerella ...

Pluses again, if they make their own sausage 👍👍

Edited May 11May 11 by KhunLA

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Do you not realize yet that no one believes anything you say, and your replies also show how little you do know. You actually think you can educate people here, who have been around for decades, about things they already know.

You don't know anything I or anyone else here has studied.

The same retorts every day, and your score still doesn't get through to you, so it's a waste of time integrating with you and a couple of others here, who act exactly the same way.

Immediate dismissal of anything you say, and arguments that turn into childish insults, all from the peanut gallery of small minds. People give you chances and you ruin every one. Get a grip.

Don't you understand that you are birds of a feather? Everything you write could apply to you. 😊 It's funny to see you two playing together 😊

The word is interacting.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

I consider NY Pizza healthy food, depending what if any toppings are used. Cheeses and protein topping would easily help offset the carb load, which should have very little added sugar, along with the tomato sauce.

A good whole wheat dough would be a plus. Tomato sauce, and 2 of the healthiest cheeses; Parmesan & Mozzerella ...

Pluses again, if they make their own sausage 👍👍

You are doing a freddie... 😊 Healthier does not have the same meaning as healthy and custom home made pizza is not what we are talking about...

I've spent a fair bit of time in Italy. The pizza there is far better and healthier than NY Pizza and no one eats that every day.

Yes, I've been to NY and USA a few times. A lot of the food, in general, is NOT healthy, nor even of a good quality What you call Parmesan there would be thrown directly into the bin in Italy. Lax food standards in the USA due to corporate lobbying. Parmigiano-Reggiano and even with that there is varied quality.

Don't get me started on the supermarkets... 😊

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

I consider NY Pizza healthy food, depending what if any toppings are used. Cheeses and protein topping would easily help offset the carb load, which should have very little added sugar, along with the tomato sauce.

A good whole wheat dough would be a plus. Tomato sauce, and 2 of the healthiest cheeses; Parmesan & Mozzerella ...

Pluses again, if they make their own sausage 👍👍

Pizza is healthy food if you use healthy ingredients. Some aren't versed in nutrition and only go by what they look up on AI, so ignore the ignorant. .......https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-pizza-healthy.New York-New Jersey pizza is the same as you can get in Italy, as there are many, many chefs that were in Italy and moved to the US, bringing their skills and using the same ingredients you can get anywhere. Those also taught others in the US how to make it. Same exact ingredients, even though some don't understand that those restaurants can get them, as I saw the products in their places. ..............https://www.bbc.com/news/health-26255931.

Friends and I, many Italian and some from Italy, knew which places to visit and they were excellent. They visited and lived in Italy, so they had first hand experience in what was equal to those they went to in Italy.

I have had hundreds of different pizzas in the US, and many were top of the line, even if they didn't make the studies. Talked to many chefs, including at least 8 from Italy who opened pizzerias in the US, and they also agreed that you can get equivalent pizzas in the US.

Napolitano's in NYC tied the one in Naples for first place. I've had pizza in Thailand a few times. Some are okay and two were almost equivalent to a decent one back home.

You can get most everything the world offers in many supermarkets, specialty stores and health food markets in the US, as those are where I shopped for decades living there.

When we visited Texas last November, I brought back Parmesan , Emmental, Gruyere and Pecorino Romano, all imported, and had some Emmental today and still have a little Parmesan left for my next pasta dinner.

Also have Italian relatives who lived in NYC, Brooklyn, Queens and The Bronx who were frequent customers of the top restaurants in New York. Italy does have more in the top 10 than the US, but the number ones were tied. One from NYC and one from Naples. There are actually excellent pizza places all over thew world, including Japan. This is another link of many that shows pizza is a good addition to a healthy diet, and I wouldn't eat it otherwise.......https://www.eatingwell.com/article/8055628/is-pizza-healthy/#toc-is-it-healthy

Edited May 11May 11 by fredwiggy

17 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

You are doing a freddie... 😊 Healthier does not have the same meaning as healthy and custom home made pizza is not what we are talking about...

I've spent a fair bit of time in Italy. The pizza there is far better and healthier than NY Pizza and no one eats that every day.

Yes, I've been to NY and USA a few times. A lot of the food, in general, is NOT healthy, nor even of a good quality What you call Parmesan there would be thrown directly into the bin in Italy. Lax food standards in the USA due to corporate lobbying. Parmigiano-Reggiano and even with that there is varied quality.

Don't get me started on the supermarkets... 😊

I prefer the corrupted NY & Philly pizza over Italy's, as that's what I was raised on. I'm not in Italy, nor USA, and quality ingredients are available here, TH. I've made plenty of homemade pizzas, all from scratch, along with my own sausage.

It can be very healthy, and as you point out, healthier option. And who eats pizza every day, or week. We're good for maybe twice a month, as I cut my carb intake down quite a bit, so pizza doesn't really fit in my daily or weekly meal plan.

Edited May 11May 11 by KhunLA

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I prefer the corrupted NY & Philly pizza over Italy's, as that's what I was raised on. I'm not in Italy, nor USA, and quality ingredients are available here, TH. I've made plenty of homemade pizzas, all from scratch, along with my own sausage.

It can be very healthy, and as you point out, healthier option. And who eats pizza every day, or week. We're good for maybe twice a month, as I cut my carb intake down quite a bit, so pizza doesn't really fit in my daily or weekly meal plan.

All part of a healthy lifestyle if you know it's not something you eat a lot of. Hundreds of people I've trained were pizza eaters, as I also talked with them about their diets to help them if needed. I got all of them to get leaner by adjusting their diets a little, but pizza was never a problem as they weren't eating it daily or a whole pie at a time. I ate pizza a couple of times a month throughout all my years of training and never lost my body fat percentage. All about moderation and eliminating certain things.

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Pizza is healthy food if you use healthy ingredients. Some aren't versed in nutrition and only go by what they look up on AI, so ignore the ignorant. .......https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-pizza-healthy.New York-New Jersey pizza is the same as you can get in Italy, as there are many, many chefs that were in Italy and moved to the US, bringing their skills and using the same ingredients you can get anywhere. Those also taught others in the US how to make it. Same exact ingredients, even though some don't understand that those restaurants can get them, as I saw the products in their places. ..............https://www.bbc.com/news/health-26255931.

Friends and I, many Italian and some from Italy, knew which places to visit and they were excellent. They visited and lived in Italy, so they had first hand experience in what was equal to those they went to in Italy.

I have had hundreds of different pizzas in the US, and many were top of the line, even if they didn't make the studies. Talked to many chefs, including at least 8 from Italy who opened pizzerias in the US, and they also agreed that you can get equivalent pizzas in the US.

Also have Italian relatives who lived in NYC, Brooklyn, Queens and The Bronx who were frequent customers of the top restaurants in New York. Italy does have more in the top 10 than the US, but the number ones were tied. One from NYC and one from Naples. There are actually excellent pizza places all over thew world, including Japan. This is another link of many that shows pizza is a good addition to a healthy diet, and I wouldn't eat it otherwise.......https://www.eatingwell.com/article/8055628/is-pizza-healthy/#toc-is-it-healthy

South Philly used to be all 1st & 2nd gen Italians. The Rocky scene of running through the S. Philly Italian market was the real deal. Use to go down there every weekend with my father. Place was great.

IsmeUno hasn't a clue, about me or much of anything. Preaching to the choir. Been cooking for myself since high school.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Pizza is healthy food if you use healthy ingredients. Some aren't versed in nutrition and only go by what they look up on AI, so ignore the ignorant. .......https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-pizza-healthy.New York-New Jersey pizza is the same as you can get in Italy, as there are many, many chefs that were in Italy and moved to the US, bringing their skills and using the same ingredients you can get anywhere. Those also taught others in the US how to make it. Same exact ingredients, even though some don't understand that those restaurants can get them, as I saw the products in their places. ..............https://www.bbc.com/news/health-26255931.

Friends and I, many Italian and some from Italy, knew which places to visit and they were excellent. They visited and lived in Italy, so they had first hand experience in what was equal to those they went to in Italy.

I have had hundreds of different pizzas in the US, and many were top of the line, even if they didn't make the studies. Talked to many chefs, including at least 8 from Italy who opened pizzerias in the US, and they also agreed that you can get equivalent pizzas in the US.

You can get most everything the world offers in many supermarkets, specialty stores and health food markets in the US, as those are where I shopped for decades living there.

Also have Italian relatives who lived in NYC, Brooklyn, Queens and The Bronx who were frequent customers of the top restaurants in New York. Italy does have more in the top 10 than the US, but the number ones were tied. One from NYC and one from Naples. There are actually excellent pizza places all over thew world, including Japan. This is another link of many that shows pizza is a good addition to a healthy diet, and I wouldn't eat it otherwise.......https://www.eatingwell.com/article/8055628/is-pizza-healthy/#toc-is-it-healthy

Same old nonsense... from a guy who hasn't ever eaten a pizza outside the USA and who chastises others for using AI as a substitute for actual experience. That's ignorance personified.

There is not even a single NY Pizza establishment on that list.

The top restaurants from the marketing website he uses as a reference, all refer to Neapolitan pizza, not New York/New Jersey pizza.

In addition to that, their scores aren't based on just the pizzas themselves, nor actual popularity.

50 Top Pizza evaluates pizzerias globally through anonymous inspections based on a strict, high-quality standard. Key criteria include top-tier ingredient quality, mastery of dough fermentation/baking techniques, impeccable service, and a great overall dining experience, rather than just popularity.

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I prefer the corrupted NY & Philly pizza over Italy's, as that's what I was raised on. I'm not in Italy, nor USA, and quality ingredients are available here, TH. I've made plenty of homemade pizzas, all from scratch, along with my own sausage.

It can be very healthy, and as you point out, healthier option. And who eats pizza every day, or week. We're good for maybe twice a month, as I cut my carb intake down quite a bit, so pizza doesn't really fit in my daily or weekly meal plan.

The claim was the NY pizza was a healthy food. It is not. If made with quality ingredients it can be eaten in moderation. But healthy, no. That's just stretching the boundaries. Mainly they use poor quality cheese and poor quality ingredients. Of course freddie ate everything top of the line, exactly the same as Italy 😊

The man doesn't have a clue, but acts as if he knows everything.

This an AI round up for the question: Is NY Pizza a healthy foodstuff?

New York-style pizza is generally considered a comfort food rather than a health food, often viewed as a moderate to high-calorie option due to its large, hand-tossed, thin crust and generous cheese-to-sauce ratio. While it can provide protein and calcium, a typical New York slice can be high in calories, refined carbohydrates, and sodium. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Here is a breakdown of the nutritional aspects of NY pizza:

• Nutritional Content: A typical slice of NY cheese pizza ranges from around 280 to 500 calories. It provides protein and calcium from the cheese, and nutrients like lycopene from the tomato sauce.

• The Crust: It is made with high-gluten, refined white flour, which is low in fiber.

• Sodium & Fat: A single slice can contain a significant portion of daily recommended saturated fat and sodium, particularly if you add toppings like pepperoni or sausage.

• Healthy Adjustments: You can make healthier choices by ordering veggie toppings, skipping processed meats, or opting for light cheese

Similarly New Jersey pizza:

New Jersey pizza, particularly thin-crust and Trenton tomato pie, can be a moderate, enjoyable food but is not typically considered a health food due to high sodium and fat levels, according to local analyses. While one slice offers decent protein and calcium, three slices can reach 75% of daily fat/salt limits, often making it a high-calorie option. [1, 2]

Key Nutritional Aspects of NJ Pizza

• Calories & Fat: A typical NJ slice packs around 318 calories, 11 grams of fat, and 565 milligrams of sodium, with pepperoni adding significantly more.

• Nutritional Value: It contains lycopene from tomato sauce and decent protein.

• Healthier Options: Trenton tomato pie is often considered the best choice due to its thin crust and less cheese.

• Moderation: According to experts in a Facebook discussion, thin-crust options often have lower calorie content. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Healthier Consumption Tips

• Add Veggies: Top with veggies like broccoli rabe for added nutrients.

• Lighten the Cheese: Opt for less cheese or thin-crust styles (like Trenton tomato pie) to reduce fat.

• Watch Portions: Pizza is best treated as an occasional meal rather than a daily staple. [1, 2, 3, 4]

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

South Philly used to be all 1st & 2nd gen Italians. The Rocky scene of running through the S. Philly Italian market was the real deal. Use to go down there every weekend with my father. Place was great.

IsmeUno hasn't a clue, about me or much of anything. Preaching to the choir. Been cooking for myself since high school.

Just a person who thinks he's an expert because he's has a couple of pizzas in the US, while there are thousands. Also on the markets, thousands more and where you can get anything you want from around the world.

I was raised around chefs of all types of ethnic foods, from Italian (godfather's parents from Sicily), Polish and Irish from my relatives and Jewish from friends parents. Hard to beat the NYC-Philly areas for ethnic foods.

I watched my dad cook and learned very young to do it myself, and did 90% of the cooking in my family with children, and they learned also. Opinions mean little and AI doesn't give you the same information those health links I provided do, and there are many more.

Edited May 11May 11 by fredwiggy

7 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Same old nonsense... from a guy who hasn't ever eaten a pizza outside the USA and who chastises others for using AI as a substitute for actual experience. That's ignorance personified.

The pizza in Europe is horrible. I was expecting better.

12 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

South Philly used to be all 1st & 2nd gen Italians. The Rocky scene of running through the S. Philly Italian market was the real deal. Use to go down there every weekend with my father. Place was great.

IsmeUno hasn't a clue, about me or much of anything. Preaching to the choir. Been cooking for myself since high school.

Stop it. I've travelled all over the world, just for food. Don't try to tell me that I don't know anything. I started cooking for myself from when I got my first job, at eleven years old.

You are just one of those over sensitive Americans who loves to tell yourself that your food is the best in the world. It is not.

Edited May 11May 11 by IsmeUno

5 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

The claim was the NY pizza was a healthy food. It is not. If made with quality ingredients it can be eaten in moderation. But healthy, no. That's just stretching the boundaries. Mainly they use poor quality cheese and poor quality ingredients. Of course freddie ate everything top of the line, exactly the same as Italy 😊

The man doesn't have a clue, but acts as if he knows everything.

shh ... don't tell anyone

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

shh ... don't tell anyone

Home made. Don't try to gaslight me.

1 minute ago, IsmeUno said:

Stop it. I've travelled all over the world, just for food. Don't try to tell me that I don't know anything.

You are just one of those over sensitive Americans that you to tell yourself that your food is the best in the world. It is not.

You seem like an over sensitive European with in inferiority complex.

4 minutes ago, TedG said:

The pizza in Europe is horrible. I was expecting better.

Europe? Is that a joke?

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

shh ... don't tell anyone

Some will never understand just how ignorant they are, even if they see the writing on the wall. Amusing how easy it is to prove them wrong yet they'll keep coming back with their own limited experience trying to outdo the facts. Word salads and deflections.

Edited May 11May 11 by fredwiggy

Just now, TedG said:

You seem like an over sensitive European with in inferiority complex.

Another septic trying to throw mud. No brains at all.

1 minute ago, IsmeUno said:

Another septic trying to throw mud. No brains at all.

Do you feel that you are not tossing mud?

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Some will never understand just how ignorant they are, even if they see the writing on the wall. Amusing how easy it is to prove them wrong yet they'll keep coming back with their own limited experience trying to outdo the facts. Word salads and deflections.

You are that some. I've eaten inside and outside the USA. So you are ignorant of anything outside it. Relying solely on hearsay. Your food is crap.

Just now, TedG said:

Do you feel that you are not tossing mud?

No, I write from actual experience. From whence have you gleaned an inferiority complex? That is just plain idiocy. Do better.

1 minute ago, IsmeUno said:

No, I write from actual experience. From whence have you gleaned an inferiority complex? That is just plain idiocy. Do better.

I gleaned an inferiority from reading your posts.

1 minute ago, IsmeUno said:

Stop it. I've travelled all over the world, just for food. Don't try to tell me that I don't know anything.

You are just one of those over sensitive Americans that you to tell yourself that your food is the best in the world. It is not.

You don't know anything about 'me', and you assume, all Yanks are the same. We're not, and not even like yours & MSM spin. I've travelled a bit myself, for sex, food & diving. Everyone travels for food. It shows as the only interesting topics on AN.

I'm pretty sure Fred & myself are two of the more well rounded, informed and experienced home cooks on AN. I cook most everything from scratch, and he even killed it first 🙄

I've butchered deer, but can't bring myself to shoot 'em, that was my brother, but he sucked at playing butcher.

Do try to stay in your lane.

Just now, TedG said:

I gleaned an inferiority from reading your posts.

No you didn't. You are just showing yourself up to be yet another fake American. Be genuine and tell the truth at all times. No need to exaggerate. Are you afraid that people won't like the real you, so you need to make things up?

Just now, IsmeUno said:

No you didn't. You are just showing yourself up to be yet another fake American. Be genuine and tell the truth at all times. No need to exaggerate. Are you afraid that people won't like the real you, so you need to make things up?

Im’ not a fake American, I’m the real deal. Deep down inside you know we are superior to you.

2 minutes ago, TedG said:

Do you feel that you are not tossing mud?

A person that visits a country and has a few pizzas actually thinks he can compare that experience with decades of eating at hundreds of ethnic restaurants all over the US, along with shopping at countless stores. In my case, 62 years of eating and living amongst those people.

Also amazing the lack of common sense, thinking we can't get good ingredients in the US, along with hundreds of chefs from all over the world in one country, using their skills to match or beat those in their own homelands.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

A person that visits a country and has a few pizzas actually thinks he can compare that experience with decades of eating at hundreds of ethnic restaurants all over the US, along with shopping at countless stores. In my case, 62 years of eating and living amongst those people.

Also amazing the lack of common sense, thinking we can't get good ingredients in the US, along with hundreds of chefs from all over the world in one country, using their skills to match or beat those in their own homelands.

You are spot on. The USA has a huge diversity of food choices. Plus, our Pizza is better.

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

You don't know anything about 'me', and you assume, all Yanks are the same. We're not, and not even like yours & MSM spin. I've travelled a bit myself, for sex, food & diving. Everyone travels for food. It shows as the only interesting topics on AN.

I'm pretty sure Fred & myself are two of the more well rounded, informed and experienced home cooks on AN. I cook most everything from scratch, and he even killed it first 🙄

I've butchered deer, but can't bring myself to shoot 'em, that was my brother, but he sucked at playing butcher.

Do try to stay in your lane.

MSM? What on earth are you going on about? This thread isn't about you.

No, not everyone travels internationally for food. Don't write nonsense.

Fred and yourself are versed in American products. Enough said on that. He fools himself that he's had the best in the world whilst not ever leaving the USA. It's just such incredible nonsense.

There are many aspects of my upbringing and life that I haven't mentioned here at all. I prefer understated.