So, my wife had earlier expressed interest in getting a nanny to help her with our son during the days so she would be less restricted as to when she could to her basic maintenance of the home and if needed help the parents with things regarding the company. I haven't been opposed to the idea completely, but prefer if we raise our kid ourselfs as much as possible. After seeing some American kids adopt a spanish-american accent from their mexican nannys one get's kinda worried.

To the story is also the fact that we have a 'nurse', from Burma that is taking care of my wifes grandmother - she being an age of close to a hundred. My wife was recently approached by her about hiring the nurses niece as a nanny. The reason for this was that the niece currently had been taking on a lot her mothers work, she being supposedly 'sick' a lot - think some addition is involved - and spends time doing useless things and not takingf care of the 5(!) kids. So the oldest kid, the niece, would be like a mother for her siblings while the father is away at work. And there was some complaints about the substandard school in their village, ba-nook being mentioned, and that the current position wouldn't be giving the niece any foundation for a future and as such it would be better if she was able to get away, work, and atleast have her own money and so on. The niece in question is supposedly ~16 years of age.

The one paying for this would of course be yours truly, but since the wife seems to 'need' it increasingly more it's not a topic that would be easily dropped. So without me making a descision on the subject I've been told the 'nanny' arrives at the end of the month. The salary isn't high, but atleast she is live-in and would get all food payed for. She would also be able to stay with her fathers sister, our nurse, who is ~28-30, as the 'nannys' parents are.

It's at the same time kinda a...hard topic when it comes to the deep root of using Burmese workers here and paying them effectivly lower wages then local people. At the same time hearing the hardship they endure and realizing that their situation improves by coming here...it's no a clear-cut case of who is using who or who the bad person is. Or what the best decision would be. The decision that already have been taken for me.

So now the question remains: g-string or should I drop the towel on accident when walking back from the shower?

Best regards, TAWP.

So, my wife had earlier expressed interest in getting a nanny to help her with our son during the days so she would be less restricted as to when she could to her basic maintenance of the home and if needed help the parents with things regarding the company. I haven't been opposed to the idea completely, but prefer if we raise our kid ourselfs as much as possible. After seeing some American kids adopt a spanish-american accent from their mexican nannys one get's kinda worried.

So if the child spoke fluent English and Spanish that would be a bad thing?

It's at the same time kinda a...hard topic when it comes to the deep root of using Burmese workers here and paying them effectivly lower wages then local people. At the same time hearing the hardship they endure and realizing that their situation improves by coming here...it's no a clear-cut case of who is using who or who the bad person is. Or what the best decision would be. The decision that already have been taken for me.

I am wondering if you think that removing all those black folks from Africa was a humanitarian act by bringing them into an enlightened environment of caring owners whose only concern was to better those poor slaves lives. Perhaps you could recreate a feudal system on indentured labour and say that you were doing them a favour by removing the person from an even worse situation.

So now the question remains: g-string or should I drop the towel on accident when walking back from the shower?

And now the reality of the situation comes to light - why not just be honest and tell the wife that you intend to bone the nanny because she is younger and hasn't had a child. You won't have to discuss it with her because the decision has been already made.

Good luck, I'll be waiting for the headlines to be printed "farung man has penis removed by irate wife"

CB

.......should I drop the towel on accident when walking back from the shower?

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Oh, you want she laugh loudly.

Be very careful.....................Walking backwards from a shower can only end in tears

( after the fall ).

So now the question remains: g-string or should I drop the towel on accident when walking back from the shower?

I think i'd wait to see what was under Her towel first

It takes a CB to make a lighthearted thread into something else.

So, my wife had earlier expressed interest in getting a nanny to help her with our son during the days so she would be less restricted as to when she could to her basic maintenance of the home and if needed help the parents with things regarding the company. I haven't been opposed to the idea completely, but prefer if we raise our kid ourselfs as much as possible. After seeing some American kids adopt a spanish-american accent from their mexican nannys one get's kinda worried.

So if the child spoke fluent English and Spanish that would be a bad thing?

I said 'spanish-american accent', not 'accent free american and spanish'. Two separate things. The former would worrie me, not the latter.

It's at the same time kinda a...hard topic when it comes to the deep root of using Burmese workers here and paying them effectivly lower wages then local people. At the same time hearing the hardship they endure and realizing that their situation improves by coming here...it's no a clear-cut case of who is using who or who the bad person is. Or what the best decision would be. The decision that already have been taken for me.

I am wondering if you think that removing all those black folks from Africa was a humanitarian act by bringing them into an enlightened environment of caring owners whose only concern was to better those poor slaves lives. Perhaps you could recreate a feudal system on indentured labour and say that you were doing them a favour by removing the person from an even worse situation.

And I think that you should look over your post for illogical assumptions not based on the quoted post.

A hired person isn't a slave. When the hired persons own family is the one coming to us and effectivly begs us to hire her - to help her out of her situation - then it's not involontary displacement of the individual.

So now the question remains: g-string or should I drop the towel on accident when walking back from the shower?

And now the reality of the situation comes to light - why not just be honest and tell the wife that you intend to bone the nanny because she is younger and hasn't had a child. You won't have to discuss it with her because the decision has been already made.

Good luck, I'll be waiting for the headlines to be printed "farung man has penis removed by irate wife"

CB

I realise that not everyone is internet savvy, but my ending joke was acctually a recasted joke from a thread in a car-forum that walked around a bit. But nevermind...

We've got children 11 and 12 and an aging MIL who's 70 with a touch of dementia. We employ two girls (Karen) to help "take care". They are young, very conservative girls about 16-17 years of age.

There job description is very very loosely defined, and more than anything it was important to us that they fit in well with our family unit. They provide an extra set of eyes and ears to look after the chidren and grandmother. They do laundry and house cleaning (sort of) and help in the kitchen as needed. In return we more or less have adopted them into our family, looking out for their welfare and sometimes their family. We pay them 4k and 4.5k baht/mo. In return I have a house full of giggles and sweetness. We couldn't be happier with how thing are working out.

We do not look upon them as slaves in any way. More, as family members. We have travelled to their village, met their parents and the parents were as concerned that their daughters had a caring environment, as I was about my family. At no time have have I thought about them in a sexual way (that's odd). In fact I see myself more as their protector from such things. The first person you get may not be the right one for your family (the first 3 weren't for us), but eventually you mat find someone that you each can add value to the others life.

We told them, if after a few years they had an urge for further education, we would help them with that

So now the question remains: g-string or should I drop the towel on accident when walking back from the shower?

If that doesn't work, you could always threaten to kill her puppy...

I'm not sure I understand what the problem is. Why not just pay her the same as a local ?

So, my wife had earlier expressed interest in getting a nanny to help her with our son during the days so she would be less restricted as to when she could to her basic maintenance of the home and if needed help the parents with things regarding the company. I haven't been opposed to the idea completely, but prefer if we raise our kid ourselfs as much as possible. After seeing some American kids adopt a spanish-american accent from their mexican nannys one get's kinda worried.

To the story is also the fact that we have a 'nurse', from Burma that is taking care of my wifes grandmother - she being an age of close to a hundred. My wife was recently approached by her about hiring the nurses niece as a nanny. The reason for this was that the niece currently had been taking on a lot her mothers work, she being supposedly 'sick' a lot - think some addition is involved - and spends time doing useless things and not takingf care of the 5(!) kids. So the oldest kid, the niece, would be like a mother for her siblings while the father is away at work. And there was some complaints about the substandard school in their village, ba-nook being mentioned, and that the current position wouldn't be giving the niece any foundation for a future and as such it would be better if she was able to get away, work, and atleast have her own money and so on. The niece in question is supposedly ~16 years of age.

The one paying for this would of course be yours truly, but since the wife seems to 'need' it increasingly more it's not a topic that would be easily dropped. So without me making a descision on the subject I've been told the 'nanny' arrives at the end of the month. The salary isn't high, but atleast she is live-in and would get all food payed for. She would also be able to stay with her fathers sister, our nurse, who is ~28-30, as the 'nannys' parents are.

It's at the same time kinda a...hard topic when it comes to the deep root of using Burmese workers here and paying them effectivly lower wages then local people. At the same time hearing the hardship they endure and realizing that their situation improves by coming here...it's no a clear-cut case of who is using who or who the bad person is. Or what the best decision would be. The decision that already have been taken for me.

So now the question remains: g-string or should I drop the towel on accident when walking back from the shower?

Best regards, TAWP.

:D

Pics?

(of her, not you dropping the towel)

I'm not sure I understand what the problem is. Why not just pay her the same as a local ?

Are you new to Thailand?

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Pics?

(of her, not you dropping the towel)

No, never met her. This is all handled by the wife and the nurse. Besides, I'm away 13+ h per day.

I'm not sure I understand what the problem is. Why not just pay her the same as a local ?

Are you new to Thailand?

Yes, been here about a year now.

So, why can't you just pay her the same as a local ?

You can..................If you really want to.

Live like you wanna live.......

PS. Nobody else will.

What makes a Burmese maid/nanny/worker different from a Thai one, salary wise? Why should they be paid less? The several I know work harder than their Thai counterparts and are very reliable.

It also does not make a difference when they ask to work for you (one has a choice between employing her or not), or that it is arranged by the wife. She will be employed by the wife AND you.

Not paying a Birmese the amount according the Thai salary standards is exploitation, IMO. Just place yourself in their shoes; how would you feel and react when you would be paid less than your colleagues for the same work, only because you are from another country, dark/white or whatever color skinned, homosexual, or whatever other excuse your employer can make up, only to pay less.

For me, it is the same. They would get the same salary, paid for over-time, a bonus at Songkran and New Year, plus when doing an extra good job and Social security.

Oh, and I've been here for years.

Nienke

The point with that it wasn't handled by me is that Thais generally don't pay Burmese the same as they pay Thai. According to inofficial numbers there are up to 2 million illegal Burmese workers in Thailand - and you can bet most if not all get payed less.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that is how it is. If you have money and wanna pay more, good for you.

The point with that it wasn't handled by me is that Thais generally don't pay Burmese the same as they pay Thai. According to inofficial numbers there are up to 2 million illegal Burmese workers in Thailand - and you can bet most if not all get payed less.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that is how it is. If you have money and wanna pay more, good for you.

Well, you've at least seen to their paperwork, right? The Tai yai we hire (not the girls in the other post), we get yearly medical checks and work permits. You HAVE TO do this. If you don't you leave the poor girl liable to exploitation by the authorities, and of course leave yourself open for troubles as well.

My guess would be, since the overwelming Burmese in the country is here illegaly, is that getting any papers on it would be impossible. Again, not in my control.

lannarebirth>> But thanks for your first reply. Got an idea that I will see if I can sidestep the original agrement regarding salary further along the line, by increasing it after a 'probation period' that most companies have for new employs. Would avoid making the family here lose face and if it works out and she does a good job she probably deserves it.

Although I posted out somewhat tongue in cheek that certain people may well be on their own paying the going rate for a Burmese worker, I totally agree that if the girl is worth it, that's exactly what she should get. Sadly human nature in the majority of folk tends to kick in and for those of you in cyberland with a Thai wife, it's hard to get past centuries of antipathy between the two nations.

I think we often forget history when we see the modern Thai/Burmese relationships. Scratch the surface and it's a bit like being in the wrong part of Glasgow depending on your creed, after one or the other of their footie teams has beat the other lot six nil.

The point with that it wasn't handled by me is that Thais generally don't pay Burmese the same as they pay Thai. According to inofficial numbers there are up to 2 million illegal Burmese workers in Thailand - and you can bet most if not all get payed less.

It is also well known that an awful lot of these Burmese are living under the most horrible circumstances, are being extremely exploited and they have no where to go.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that is how it is. If you have money and wanna pay more, good for you.

Because others do it you do not have to follow, especially when you think it's not correct! When the majority of the Thai drink kao lao because it's so much cheaper, do you follow this trend as well? Or what my father used to say: if they jump in the river would you do the same?

And no I do not have the money to throw around. I'm still very much investing in my business (started of with nothing)and, therefore have to be very careful on how I spend my limited amount of money. This is for me NOT a reason to pay my employees less than they deserve. I even employed one guy who is partly disabled, just to give him a job as for years he couldn't get any. I gain with this move as well, as he is my neighbor (keeping the others at bay).

My guess would be, since the overwelming Burmese in the country is here illegaly, is that getting any papers on it would be impossible. Again, not in my control.

lannarebirth>> But thanks for your first reply. Got an idea that I will see if I can sidestep the original agrement regarding salary further along the line, by increasing it after a 'probation period' that most companies have for new employs. Would avoidmaking the family here lose face and if it works out and she does a good job she probably deserves it.

Employing a illegal Burmese isn't something I would advice any foreigner to do. You only need one pissed of person and you're in big trouble.

Every year at the provincial house (in Chiang Mai that's somewhere in June July) you can apply for a quota for Burmese workers or extend their stay at your house, business.

If the Burmese does not have an ID you can apply for one, but have to pay 50,000 baht per person, which you won't get back after the person leaves. If you already have a quotum, but would like to employ a Burmese from elsewhere, you pay 10,000 per person. If the Burmese is already working for you legally, you need to pay every year approximately 4,000 baht and the ID needs to be extended.

This in a nutshell. At the provincial house they can give you all the details.

Several friends of mine have reliable Burmese workers. When one of them leaves it will be the others who look for a new one, as they know what their employer is looking for, especially the part that they can trust their employees.

Nienke

With four live in housekeepers (Laos) & one incredibly cute nanny (Thai), I understand your dilemma. You have to consider all options & ramifications before taking the plunge!

If I was caught dipping the wick - a bullet in the balls would be the outcome......

Not sure about your household but in mine - look but don't touch.

Have no fear Soundman. The chances of coming to your household to look at your balls, never mind touch them; are remote in the extreme.

Have no fear Soundman. The chances of coming to your household to look at your balls, never mind touch them; are remote in the extreme.

Not paying a Birmese the amount according the Thai salary standards is exploitation, IMO. Just place yourself in their shoes; how would you feel and react when you would be paid less than your colleagues for the same work, only because you are from another country, dark/white or whatever color skinned, homosexual, or whatever other excuse your employer can make up, only to pay less.

Nienke

This is standard practice in many countries including Thailand.

If you study the rules for a Work Permit, there are minimum salary scales.

A few years ago it was 50k per month for Americans and Japanese, 45k for most Europeans and Australians, 40k for Brits and so on down the line. Don't know exact figures at the moment.

In the Middle East the American engineers are paid about 30% more than Brits. Filipinos more than Indo-Paks. Bangladeshis are further down the line.

The usual excuse for paying the septics more is that they are taxed wherever they work in the world, but as most have at least enough intelligence to keep their declared salary within the tax threshold, this is just horse droppings. On one job I succeeded an American friend of mine, did exactly the same job as he had previously done, but could only get to within 80% of his take-home.

Them's the rules.