I am wondering if someone here might be familiar enough with Germany and it's people to tell me if the sur name Brammer is indeed German? I was told it was once and was pretty common, but the source wasn't an experipert or anything. So, I am wondering because this name is rare in America it seems, but maybe some of my European friends here can tell me more.

Thanks so much guys!

I am wondering if someone here might be familiar enough with Germany and it's people to tell me if the sur name Brammer is indeed German? I was told it was once and was pretty common, but the source wasn't an experipert or anything. So, I am wondering because this name is rare in America it seems, but maybe some of my European friends here can tell me more.

Thanks so much guys!

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users...ex.html#Brammer

More info here regarding the Family surname 'Brammer' as well:

http://www.google.nl/search?num=20&hl=...ogy&spell=1

It doesn't necessarily means the name 'Brammer' comes (originally) from Germany; it could exist also in Switzerland or Austria (Schweiz or Oesterreich) which are -for the most part- German speaking countries as well.

Good Luck !

LaoPo

I am wondering if someone here might be familiar enough with Germany and it's people to tell me if the sur name Brammer is indeed German? I was told it was once and was pretty common, but the source wasn't an experipert or anything. So, I am wondering because this name is rare in America it seems, but maybe some of my European friends here can tell me more.

Thanks so much guys!

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users...ex.html#Brammer

More info here regarding the Family surname 'Brammer' as well:

http://www.google.nl/search?num=20&hl=...ogy&spell=1

It doesn't necessarily means the name 'Brammer' comes (originally) from Germany; it could exist also in Switzerland or Austria (Schweiz or Oesterreich) which are -for the most part- German speaking countries as well.

Good Luck !

LaoPo

Thanks Lao Po, I don't know why I didn't google, I only did Yahoo. Yes, someone told me it was very common in the Netherlands, they weren't sure about Germany though. Isn't that Geneology.com kind of like Wikipedia?

genealogy.com and ancestry.com are two for-pay genealogy sites. People upload their family trees to it as well so some stuff is for free. They both have quite good message boards for specific family names but you often find the same posts on both boards:

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.brammer/mb.ashx

http://genforum.genealogy.com/brammer/

Rootsweb has a great search engine if there is someone you want to specifically look up--people upload their family trees to rootsweb (its affiliated with ancestry.com but is free) -- so you might find your relatives there.

Rootsweb: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi

Rootsweb also offers quite alot of free online research tools: www.rootsweb.com

The Mormon's also have an excellent site called familysearch.org.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

A website with extensive links to all sorts of different genealogical resources is Cyndi's List www.cyndislist.com

If you need any help or advice feel free to PM me, I've done some pretty extensive genealogical research over the net in the past few years. But watch out, once you start you get sucked in pretty quick

genealogy.com and ancestry.com are two for-pay genealogy sites. People upload their family trees to it as well so some stuff is for free. They both have quite good message boards for specific family names but you often find the same posts on both boards:

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.brammer/mb.ashx

http://genforum.genealogy.com/brammer/

Rootsweb has a great search engine if there is someone you want to specifically look up--people upload their family trees to rootsweb (its affiliated with ancestry.com but is free) -- so you might find your relatives there.

Rootsweb: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi

Rootsweb also offers quite alot of free online research tools: www.rootsweb.com

The Mormon's also have an excellent site called familysearch.org.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

A website with extensive links to all sorts of different genealogical resources is Cyndi's List www.cyndislist.com

If you need any help or advice feel free to PM me, I've done some pretty extensive genealogical research over the net in the past few years. But watch out, once you start you get sucked in pretty quick

Thanks for the help SBK!! I might take you up on the offer of help. It seems online research is all we are able to do right now, we've gone as far as we can through real documents in the States. I will look these links over, thanks again!!

One thing I can say is that such an endeavor is confusing. My word, so much stuff to look through!!

the LDS site has some charts you can print out for free, it helps to fill it in and that will give you a starting point.

I think Brammer, you'll find, originally derives from a small village in northern Wales. There was this incident, you see, involving a Ewe, and a welsh woman...

Stoke Brammer . . . I believe he's the Irish writer who wrote "Dracula." He's a relative of yours, Bops? No shit!

(Ach du lieber!!! )

Stoke Brammer . . . I believe he's the Irish writer who wrote "Dracula." He's a relative of yours, Bops? No shit!

(Ach du lieber!!! )

No, no, that's Bram Stoker. I have found some information that suggests the name is Dutch. A Dutchman himself swears up and down it's common in the Netherlands. Found a German town near Denmark with the name as well.

Hey, Tip how close is German and Dutch? Isn't Dutch derived from German?

I think Brammer, you'll find, originally derives from a small village in northern Wales. There was this incident, you see, involving a Ewe, and a welsh woman...

Does not being hairy define Welshman? I am not that hairy. However, what hair I have is somewhat soft and wooly.

the LDS site has some charts you can print out for free, it helps to fill it in and that will give you a starting point.

My grandfather has done very well in tracking down the family line in the States. He can go back to a man in England. We have no idea if he was born there or not, but he was there, before being shipped off for the Colonies for the offense of stealing shoes I believe. I would have to find British reocrds to continue, I wonder how well records from early 1700s are kept?

Hey, Tip how close is German and Dutch? Isn't Dutch derived from German?

Dutch has it's origins in West Germanic, the same origin as high German which is spoken in Germany today. I can't understand Dutch but some words have definite similarities.

This might be interesting to you:

Low Franconian and Low German

High German

Insular Anglo-Frisian (English, Scots)

Continental Anglo-Frisian

East North Germanic

West North Germanic

Line dividing the North and West Germanic languages.

the LDS site has some charts you can print out for free, it helps to fill it in and that will give you a starting point.

My grandfather has done very well in tracking down the family line in the States. He can go back to a man in England. We have no idea if he was born there or not, but he was there, before being shipped off for the Colonies for the offense of stealing shoes I believe. I would have to find British reocrds to continue, I wonder how well records from early 1700s are kept?

The British records are available online, you can do your research and then order copies of the relevant document. Do a search of "births deaths and Marriages" for England and the relevant information should pop up. Another place o look is the Mormon Church. Not sure how much of their information is online, it is part of their beliefs to know your family, so they have some huge resources that covers most of the world.

The free British records online generally do not go back as far as the 1700's.

But!

If you can find out where they are from, there is often a website for that location. Also, RAOGK (Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness) has volunteers that will do lookups for you. Also there are several sites that have ships lists of immigrants--for nearly every location as well. And Castle Garden is a good site for searching for immigrants to the US who were prior to Ellis Island.

Peruse Cyndis list's site and you will find nearly every link you could possibly be looking for.

Hey, Tip how close is German and Dutch? Isn't Dutch derived from German?

Dutch has it's origins in West Germanic, the same origin as high German which is spoken in Germany today. I can't understand Dutch but some words have definite similarities.

This might be interesting to you:

Low Franconian and Low German

High German

Insular Anglo-Frisian (English, Scots)

Continental Anglo-Frisian

East North Germanic

West North Germanic

Line dividing the North and West Germanic languages.

This does not surprise me. So, then learning High German would be a gateway to other Germanic based languages. I will keep this in mind. I have always wanted to learn German, I am giving serious thought to it right on while I am at school. I love listening to the langauge, and it's on my list of langauges to learn before I die. You giving lessons Tip?

the LDS site has some charts you can print out for free, it helps to fill it in and that will give you a starting point.

My grandfather has done very well in tracking down the family line in the States. He can go back to a man in England. We have no idea if he was born there or not, but he was there, before being shipped off for the Colonies for the offense of stealing shoes I believe. I would have to find British reocrds to continue, I wonder how well records from early 1700s are kept?

The British records are available online, you can do your research and then order copies of the relevant document. Do a search of "births deaths and Marriages" for England and the relevant information should pop up. Another place o look is the Mormon Church. Not sure how much of their information is online, it is part of their beliefs to know your family, so they have some huge resources that covers most of the world.

Thanks, Chang, I have been looking at the Mormon site, it's confusing and almost too much to take in right away. But I am working through it. I'll try the search though.

The free British records online generally do not go back as far as the 1700's.

But!

If you can find out where they are from, there is often a website for that location. Also, RAOGK (Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness) has volunteers that will do lookups for you. Also there are several sites that have ships lists of immigrants--for nearly every location as well. And Castle Garden is a good site for searching for immigrants to the US who were prior to Ellis Island.

Peruse Cyndis list's site and you will find nearly every link you could possibly be looking for.

Once again, great info, SBK!! Thanks so much. I should speak to my grandfather he knows out of what port and what ship Jonhathan Brammer sailed from. This great, he will be happy to hear some of this info as well. Thanks again!!

the LDS site is actually pretty easy, just go to the search page, www.familysearch.org and type in the name of the person you are interested in. Best to use +- 5 years or so on the dates if you know them. Be fairly specific but not so specific that you will exclude data submitted by people who have less specific information than you.

ie use the state but not the county or city use +- 5 years on dates.

ships search is not quite so easy I am afraid. The website shipslists.com will allow you to search their site but Brammer doesn't seem to come up with them anyway.

Immigrantships.net does allow you to search but you can't seem to set specific parameters. However, lots of Brammers here http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=45...p;query=brammer

Again, if you need any help or have any specific questions post them here or PM me. It is an interesting hobby. I found that there was a maternal ancestor who was hanged as a witch in MA back in the 1600's. Dad nobly refrained from commenting about his ex-wife's lineage

Brammer is indeed a Souther German or rather Austrian Name.

Dutch has derived from Ancient German, just like Frisian and modern times German. Dutch and German are actually pretty similar. Check with Wikipedia, there's a good article about it that I needed recently to solve a dispute with a Dutch guy who did not believe that his mother tongue is just another German dialect....hehehe

English is just a simplification of the German language.

the LDS site is actually pretty easy, just go to the search page, www.familysearch.org and type in the name of the person you are interested in. Best to use +- 5 years or so on the dates if you know them. Be fairly specific but not so specific that you will exclude data submitted by people who have less specific information than you.

ie use the state but not the county or city use +- 5 years on dates.

ships search is not quite so easy I am afraid. The website shipslists.com will allow you to search their site but Brammer doesn't seem to come up with them anyway.

Immigrantships.net does allow you to search but you can't seem to set specific parameters. However, lots of Brammers here http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=45...p;query=brammer

Again, if you need any help or have any specific questions post them here or PM me. It is an interesting hobby. I found that there was a maternal ancestor who was hanged as a witch in MA back in the 1600's. Dad nobly refrained from commenting about his ex-wife's lineage ( )

Wow, you are such a help thanks!! I will ask my grandfather soon what dates he has. I wish it wasn't 12:22 AM right now, I'd call him.

Brammer is indeed a Souther German or rather Austrian Name.

Dutch has derived from Ancient German, just like Frisian and modern times German. Dutch and German are actually pretty similar. Check with Wikipedia, there's a good article about it that I needed recently to solve a dispute with a Dutch guy who did not believe that his mother tongue is just another German dialect....hehehe

English is just a simplification of the German language.

I have heard this before. The idea is that the Saxon invasion of Britain left a huge linguistic footprint that developed old english and than into engliash as we know it. Or at least english as you know it, some still debate if we yanks still speak the language at all.

Brammer is indeed a Souther German or rather Austrian Name.

Dutch has derived from Ancient German, just like Frisian and modern times German. Dutch and German are actually pretty similar. Check with Wikipedia, there's a good article about it that I needed recently to solve a dispute with a Dutch guy who did not believe that his mother tongue is just another German dialect....hehehe

English is just a simplification of the German language.

Pretty similar...yes, on first notice, but still a majority of Dutch and many more Germans do not speak or understand each other when they try to speak to one another.

Outsiders think it's easy to learn Dutch for a German or German for a Dutch..it's not I assure you.

They are both difficult languages to study, read, speak and write fluently.

I know, but do

LaoPo

I love listening to the langauge, and it's on my list of langauges to learn before I die. You giving lessons Tip?

You better learn to roll your R's. German sounds absolutely terrible when spoken by most Americans I know. But then, you need to learn to roll your R's for many languages, Thai included.

Lesson Number 1: "Ich bin ein Arschloch." That means you're a very nice guy. How much can you pay???

BTW, what's your interest in learning your family roots? I tried tracing mine back awhile ago and got pretty far. Hit a roadblock when I got to this couple named Adam and Eve . . .

No Tipp, that's when you need to stop!

No Tipp, that's when you need to stop!

Something more, Tiggy?

No Tipp, that's when you need to stop!

Something more, Tiggy?

Well, according to some people the next level would be some Mr & Mrs Monkey...

Lesson Number 1: "Ich bin ein Arschloch." That means you're a very nice guy. How much can you pay???

I think you have to work a bit more on your German>>>English translation Tip........

You're a naughty boy; Ein sehr frecher Bube !

LaoPo

Brammer is indeed a Souther German or rather Austrian Name.

Dutch has derived from Ancient German, just like Frisian and modern times German. Dutch and German are actually pretty similar. Check with Wikipedia, there's a good article about it that I needed recently to solve a dispute with a Dutch guy who did not believe that his mother tongue is just another German dialect....hehehe

English is just a simplification of the German language.

Old English was a Germanic language based mainly on the dialects of the Saxons, Jutes, Frisians and Angles.

But English as it is today is much more than a "simplification of the German language". It also contains strong influences from Old Norse (a major reason for some simplifications was the establishment of Norse settlements on the British isles: endings and difficult aspects of grammar were dropped in order to make communication easier), first Normand French (after 1066) and then Standard Old French.

For a period of 200 years, the educated elite of England spoke only French, but a French that gradually drifted from its mainland origins. Throughout that time, only the working classes still used English. When English made a come-back after some 200 years, the French influence was stronger than ever.

The Mormon's also have an excellent site called familysearch.org.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

I dated a Mormon for a few years, now I know what celibacy means. They do have one of the largest genealogy archives around. Another Mormon search engine > http://www.ancestorhunt.com/mormon_church_records.htm

There are more search engines on that page including UK & US.