All too true WaiWai but the title of the thread was "Are Western women driving us insane?"

I still think they are, but I could be wrong in which case they're not..

I think I'll let the women decide.. yeh that's the best thing to do.. I'm off to the pub.

All too true WaiWai but the title of the thread was "Are Western women driving us insane?"

Well, they don't drive me insane because I rarely meet any. In fact, you were the last one I met, sbk!

robskis got the right idea

Holy Crap!!!

I read the title of this thread and thought this discussion should be interesting, then I read who the OP is and nearly died, I don't remember posting this and have absolutely no idea what I was thinking at the time, funnily enough I was in Singapore on the 3rd when I added this thread.

I do think sbk is correct, I should install a beathalyzer on my PC instead of a password.

I wonder who my friend is, I wasn't aware I had any more than my one special frined here on TV ( ).

Now, reading the above I think all is explained. The reason why I have never been able to meet a nice decent sexy western (any nationality) girl is because I am a fcuked up hopeless alcoholic prone to posting crap at ungodly hours of the morning?

Ok, case closed

Ok, lets look at a case study.

A young bloke is popular at school, he is intelligent and scores in the top 16 % of Australian students for maths.

He then finds himseld at a very young age (when he should be learning his social skills) thrust into a high paying job in an Asian country.

Social skills not yet developed but no longer needed because the fun coupons ($) are flowing in, the young asian women are throwing themselves at him, he never actually has to try.

Is this the fault of the young bloke? the fault of "western women" (I don't know how that became a part of the topic anyway) or is it the fault of society?

WHat is the way out for this guy (whomever he is)?

I knew it was your drunken alter ego. Tuky, you really do need to come and stay with me for awhile. Give yourself time to catch your breath, learn to relax and give yourself a break. Don't come at Xmas or New Year but any other time is good. Like now!

After Camerata's comment I got a little worried there, YOU met me too!

I knew it was your drunken alter ego. Tuky, you really do need to come and stay with me for awhile. Give yourself time to catch your breath, learn to relax and give yourself a break. Don't come at Xmas or New Year but any other time is good. Like now!

After Camerata's comment I got a little worried there, YOU met me too!

Cameratas comment had me suprised too, seeing as that was over a year ago??

Camerata you need to get out more mate J/K

Anyway, I hope I didn't cause any insult with the topic title, I have no idea what I was thinking at the time, probably feeling sorry for myself with regards to my family situation.

sbk, you know I love ya to bits.

And once again you are correct, I do need to come a stay with you and relearn how live. But that is another topic probably best bought up at an AA meeting

lovie why do you think we went easy on you , anyone else would have got the full on bitchmeisters

Take a break, away from any stresses, sbk's places is a good idea. Sun, Sea, beach, lazy days in hammocks & you just might learn how to interact with some of those young backpacker girls sbk gets at her place

I don't remember posting this and have absolutely no idea what I was thinking at the time, funnily enough I was in Singapore on the 3rd when I added this thread.

Don't worry about it, Tuky. Mel Gibson has little episodes like this too. Just have your spokesperson issue a statement that you want to "discern the path to healing."

Oooh, you guys are so cool.

(perhaps this should be in the mods forum )

Perhaps Tuky dear sweet one it should indeed... but it started a bit of a whirl right here!!! You know we are all here for you if you need to talk/chill/get away. I also have a getaway place if you need it... PM me if you want to visit and we'll meet you at the pier

Pity we don't have that group hug photo anymore. I think tuky needs one.

anyone have a really appropriate group hug photo out there?

Oh - K, now I geddit.

But Tuky must have been feeling some drink-induced compassion for that ill-fated bloke, who is possibly a projection of himself in other circumstances .

Do we turf the thread or try to turn it into some sort of interesting discussion ?

Holy Crap!!!

I read the title of this thread and thought this discussion should be interesting, then I read who the OP is and nearly died, I don't remember posting this and have absolutely no idea what I was thinking at the time, funnily enough I was in Singapore on the 3rd when I added this thread.

I do think sbk is correct, I should install a beathalyzer on my PC instead of a password.

I wonder who my friend is, I wasn't aware I had any more than my one special frined here on TV ( ).

Now, reading the above I think all is explained. The reason why I have never been able to meet a nice decent sexy western (any nationality) girl is because I am a fcuked up hopeless alcoholic prone to posting crap at ungodly hours of the morning?

Ok, case closed

Nah, you're a cutie that just needs to get his shit together. But who doesn't? I'm still trying to get mine together as well. Any person with a complicated background is going to have issues. However, we are also more prone to have a lot of strength and character, if we are able to tap into it. I think the way to do so is to continue to be strong, by questioning yourself, remaining honest to yourself everyone else, and doing whatever is necessary to become the person you want to become. You will build up your own self-respect, and everyone else around you. Strong characters don't expect perfection, just courage. If you can be honest with yourself and people around you, that's quite a bit more courage than most folks right there.

Ok, lets look at a case study.

A young bloke is popular at school, he is intelligent and scores in the top 16 % of Australian students for maths.

He then finds himseld at a very young age (when he should be learning his social skills) thrust into a high paying job in an Asian country.

Social skills not yet developed but no longer needed because the fun coupons ($) are flowing in, the young asian women are throwing themselves at him, he never actually has to try.

Is this the fault of the young bloke? the fault of "western women" (I don't know how that became a part of the topic anyway) or is it the fault of society?

WHat is the way out for this guy (whomever he is)?

Well, this guy obviously has a lot going for him. He has intelligence and money, but to get past competitive and money-based interactions, he's going to have to build up his personality and character. Who IS this guy - does he know? Find out. Is there something holding him back? How can he turn that around to feel better about himself? Does it involve making amends to others? I think once he can answer some of these questions, he can move forward to do what he needs to do to feel not only like a smart guy with money, but like a decent guy, with his soul in tact. Once he's able to do this, he may start to feel whole again. But, he will need to be willing to lose something, because that aspect can't be bought.

These are only my own musings, and no one else. My apologies in advance if they seem inappropriate.

Good luck.

hmmm, it seems like this thread has been abandoned, but I think it's worth adding one other thing:

Responsibility. SBK talked about it at length above, and it is a very valuable point. My post above is the progression of first accepting responsibility for yourself, your mistakes, the things that are missing in your life, and your ability to attain self-growth, self-knowledge, and in turn, a deeper awareness of your place in this world, beyond money. I refer to personal responsibility as honesty, because for me it is essentially the same thing.

A very good therapist can do wonders in helping a person sort it all out, and acquiring tools to change.

Again, good luck to your friend.

My post above is the progression of first accepting responsibility for yourself, your mistakes, the things that are missing in your life, and your ability to attain self-growth, self-knowledge, and in turn, a deeper awareness of your place in this world,

A very good therapist can do wonders in helping a person sort it all out, and acquiring tools to change.

One precludes the other doesn't it?

If you can do the first yourself, you don't need the second.

If you need the second, you'll probably never manage the first.

I never have, and probably never will, understand why some people can't make a sock-choice without external help. Is it not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions? i.e. hey, I fuked up, but he told me to do it.

If you break a leg, you need crutches.

If you have endured a traumatic experience, you may need counselling (or at least an ear)

If you think your bum looks big in this, you just basically need to get a grip.

Blame Twiggy ...... she started it all.

I suspect that your evidence for this may be a little thin ...

My post above is the progression of first accepting responsibility for yourself, your mistakes, the things that are missing in your life, and your ability to attain self-growth, self-knowledge, and in turn, a deeper awareness of your place in this world,

A very good therapist can do wonders in helping a person sort it all out, and acquiring tools to change.

One precludes the other doesn't it?

If you can do the first yourself, you don't need the second.

If you need the second, you'll probably never manage the first.

I never have, and probably never will, understand why some people can't make a sock-choice without external help. Is it not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions? i.e. hey, I fuked up, but he told me to do it.

If you break a leg, you need crutches.

If you have endured a traumatic experience, you may need counselling (or at least an ear)

If you think your bum looks big in this, you just basically need to get a grip.

You know, I really don't give a shit what you think.

Consistancy and fairness are great goals for all to strive towards in life.

I once had a warning (the only one I've ever had), not because I had done anything wrong (quoting from the PM), but because apparently some people didn't like a feud I was having with another poster. A poster who was leading and feeding the feud but, at the time, was considered more popular and entertaining than me.

On another occassion, I was told in no uncertain terms to get out of a particular forum and not come back, because I made a very inane (even childish), but harmless joke when I was pissed one night.

I wonder where I'd be right now if I started a thread like this?

My post above is the progression of first accepting responsibility for yourself, your mistakes, the things that are missing in your life, and your ability to attain self-growth, self-knowledge, and in turn, a deeper awareness of your place in this world,

A very good therapist can do wonders in helping a person sort it all out, and acquiring tools to change.

One precludes the other doesn't it?

If you can do the first yourself, you don't need the second.

If you need the second, you'll probably never manage the first.

I never have, and probably never will, understand why some people can't make a sock-choice without external help. Is it not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions? i.e. hey, I fuked up, but he told me to do it.

If you break a leg, you need crutches.

If you have endured a traumatic experience, you may need counselling (or at least an ear)

If you think your bum looks big in this, you just basically need to get a grip.

You know, I really don't give a shit what you think.

Ahhh ... thank you ... I suppose that if I was paying for this therapy, you may give a shit .... or at the very least pretend to.

Thaddy, Don't worry... I give a shit almost every day!

For free as far as you're concerned too.

My post above is the progression of first accepting responsibility for yourself, your mistakes, the things that are missing in your life, and your ability to attain self-growth, self-knowledge, and in turn, a deeper awareness of your place in this world,

A very good therapist can do wonders in helping a person sort it all out, and acquiring tools to change.

One precludes the other doesn't it?

If you can do the first yourself, you don't need the second.

If you need the second, you'll probably never manage the first.

I never have, and probably never will, understand why some people can't make a sock-choice without external help. Is it not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions? i.e. hey, I fuked up, but he told me to do it.

If you break a leg, you need crutches.

If you have endured a traumatic experience, you may need counselling (or at least an ear)

If you think your bum looks big in this, you just basically need to get a grip.

You know, I really don't give a shit what you think.

Ahhh ... thank you ... I suppose that if I was paying for this therapy, you may give a shit .... or at the very least pretend to.

I'm not a therapist. But a good one long ago has helped me fully realize the aforementioned independent attitude of not giving a shit.

Alot to be said about western women, they are more useful than Thais, especially in this situation

Alot to be said about western women, they are more useful than Thais, especially in this situation

Thats pretty fargin funny - but I don't giva shit!

QUOTE (kat @ 2007-12-08 22:10:44) *

My post above is the progression of first accepting responsibility for yourself, your mistakes, the things that are missing in your life, and your ability to attain self-growth, self-knowledge, and in turn, a deeper awareness of your place in this world,

A very good therapist can do wonders in helping a person sort it all out, and acquiring tools to change.

One precludes the other doesn't it?

If you can do the first yourself, you don't need the second.

If you need the second, you'll probably never manage the first.

I never have, and probably never will, understand why some people can't make a sock-choice without external help. Is it not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions? i.e. hey, I fuked up, but he told me to do it.

If you break a leg, you need crutches.

If you have endured a traumatic experience, you may need counselling (or at least an ear)

If you think your bum looks big in this, you just basically need to get a grip.

If you can do the first yourself, you don't need the second.

Seems to me Kat's doing just fine. Just great, in fact.

People are different. Some are timid. Some are arrogant. Some are sociable, some less so. Some have subtle, minor, or major mental disorders. I think all of us have some "faults" or problems.

As for "taking responsibility for oneself", I think that has - unfortunately - become rather a catch-cry for people who don't like to take social responsibility. It's what people say when they want to push from sight some abused child who turns delinquent as a teen - though they will probably blame the parents, who probably don't much know how to help themselves. "In my day nobody went to no sy-chi-a-trists - we all just got on with it and didn't do no whinin" "

I believe nobody want to "be bad" or "act bad" because, by definition, it's not good for the self.

People have all kinds of difficulties and disabilities and horrendous or unpleasant backgrounds. Maybe even most people, who can say ?

We all cope as best we can. I dislike hearing comments like yours, Thaddeus, because I think it is a way of pushing many people away

Alot to be said about western women, they are more useful than Thais, especially in this situation

Right. And you are an absolute excellent example of what healthy women want to avoid.

I can feel a McEnroe coming on!

And you, dear Kat, are an absolute excellent example of what Kayo wants to find!

And you, dear Kat, are an absolute excellent example of what Kayo wants to find!

Looking for another one night liason or manage a trois are we?