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I'd Like To Recommend A Book.

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A thread to offer your recommendations, here's mine,

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Fiasco, The American Military Adventure In Iraq. a book by Washington Post Pentagon correspondent Thomas E. Ricks.

Book: Paperback | 8.26 x 5.23in | 512 pages | ISBN 9780143038917 | 31 Jul 2007 | Penguin | Adult

Fiasco deals with the history of the Iraq War, from the planning phase to combat operations to 2006, and argues that the war was badly planned and executed.

Ricks based the book in part on interviews with military personnel involved in the planning and execution of the war.

This isn't about conspiracy or sensationalism, it is a chronology of the events and the key participants that have led us to the desperate situation that the Middle East and the World are in today. It's a book anyone who thinks they understand the nature of politics or of war should read. Sadly not a book with a happy ending, but a very important book nonetheless.

The 2003 Iraq war has diminished every individual and institution it has touched, including the U.S. armed forces. The war's proponents provided a master class in getting your way in government while not preparing for actual events. It was undertaken on the basis of assumptions of the worst that would happen if it was not fought and the best that would happen if it was. The consequences, particularly from the perspective of the U.S. Army and Marine Corps, are described in this thoroughly researched and depressing book. It does not tell us large things we did not already know but rather many small things that reveal much about the perils of abusing the military instrument in foreign policy.

"Devastating.... Fiasco is essential reading for anyone interested in understanding how the United States came to go to war in Iraq, how a bungled occupation fed a ballooning insurgency and how these events will affect the future of the American military.... [T]his volume gives the reader a lucid, tough-minded overview of this tragic enterprise that stands apart from earlier assessments in terms of simple coherence and scope." —Michiko Kakutani, The New York Times

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I have and will give a good book

The last king of Scotland

no results to comment opom, iloved and i have not seen the movie-but i hear it is good - hakuna mattata

I have and will give a good book

The last king of Scotland

no results to comment opom, iloved and i have not seen the movie-but i hear it is good - hakuna mattata

I have the movie, it's very good.

Sounds like a book I would read Robbo, I just haven't got through the others you lent me yet!

Good Luck

Moss

I just haven't got through the others you lent me yet!

That 'colouring-in' can be very time consuming :o:D

Wassihiname got an oscar didn't he?
Whitaker's Amin mixes a God complex and a persecution complex, somehow giving him justification for killing anyone and everyone against him. His ability to make Amin equally likeable and detestable is why he received an Oscar Nomination for Best Actor, as well as several other awards including the BAFTA, Golden Globe, and Screen Actors Guild Awards.

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I just haven't got through the others you lent me yet!

That 'colouring-in' can be very time consuming :o:D

You mean I am allowed colours too? Bliss :D

Moss

If you like a bit of action/intrigue/adventure, anything by Alistair MaLean after his first book. I've read them all and I forget the name of the first book (and it was indeed forgettable), but it was disappointing and it is probably a lucky thing for us that he continued after that first effort.

Oh, and they also make excellent films. One of my favourite screen adaptations is 'Where Eagles Dare', starring Burton and Eastwood. Eastwood (playing Eastwood, as per usual) was actually half decent in the role. Dated now, and ripe for a Hollywood remake. Any inmates have connections in LA?

On the original subject I'd still recommend Cobra II, {Michael R. Gordon & Gen. Bernard E. Trainor} written with considerable access, and insight, published shortly after the events, though it's a little dry, which in my view is a benefit in that it allows the reader time to consider, the facts, not spin.

Charlie Wilson's War {George Grille} is another good read, gaining a second wind now with the impending release of the movie here.

Read both of these several years ago.

Regards

PS Clint Eastwood and Richard Burton described the movie as Where Stuntmen Dare

PPS HMS Ulysses {1st book} was based on MacLean's own experiences in WWII

Yes, you're right. It's not the book I was thinking about, so obviously my complaint is not with his first book. I have just grabbed one out from my bookshelf (to go through the titles of his other books) but can't remember which one is the one of which I was critical (I didn't keep it). I think it may have been Bear Island, but I see this was the 16th of his fiction works, so either he was having an off period or I am too critical. I distinctly recall being very disappointed with it. Interesting bit of trivia about the actors' description of Where Eagles Dare; nonetheless, I enjoyed it and enjoyed all of the screen adaptations of MacLean's books.

re-reading The Brothers Karamazov after about 35 years...in my early 20s I remember thinking 'jeez...dem Karamazov dudes are sum weird-azzed MFs...'

now, in my dotage I read of the depraved antics of old man Karamazov and cringe when thinking 'Oh, jeezuz, didn't I do sumpin' like that about 10 years ago once when I was drunk?...oh...oh... :o '

Dostoyevsky endures...

Actual fact is that I found Dostoyevski's The Idiot on line and downloaded it. I got through about 80% of it and lost interest.....just like the first time I tried reading it many many years ago....so I would have to agree that the quality of Dosoyevki's work does endure!!!! This time I decided that the only kind of person who could finish that book would be The Idiot.

Chownah

I'll recommend Pearl S. Bucks "The Good Earth" trilogy. The 3 books are also available in Thai, and my gf, who has Chinese parents, grandparents, etc, was quite moved by it.

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I just haven't got through the others you lent me yet!

That 'colouring-in' can be very time consuming :D :D

Bless him. :o

I wonder if anyone here has read William Warren's excellent book 'Jim Thompson, the Unsolved Mystery'? Of course, it is a biography on the 'Thai Silk King', American Jim Thompson. It is extremely detailed and merits reading several times to put all of the information together. I don't know if it is actually published in th, however, since there is mention of a certain incident that occurred many years ago that few Thai people are willing to discuss (nor, I believe, can it be discussed on this board). One of those books you just cannot put down...

E: I should mention for those who haven't read it, it provides a superb incite into expat life in the 40s through 60s in Bangkok and an interesting background of the inner workings of Thai politics.

Actual fact is that I found Dostoyevski's The Idiot on line and downloaded it. I got through about 80% of it and lost interest.....just like the first time I tried reading it many many years ago....so I would have to agree that the quality of Dosoyevki's work does endure!!!! This time I decided that the only kind of person who could finish that book would be The Idiot.

Chownah

clownah reveals himself to be a philistine and loathsome deprecator of quality literature :o ...

well, if you didn't like the book try watching the movie...Kurosawa did a respectable version of The Idiot starring Toshihiro Mifune...presuming of course that the subtitles don't prove to be too much for you to handle... :D

Actual fact is that I found Dostoyevski's The Idiot on line and downloaded it. I got through about 80% of it and lost interest.....just like the first time I tried reading it many many years ago....so I would have to agree that the quality of Dosoyevki's work does endure!!!! This time I decided that the only kind of person who could finish that book would be The Idiot.

Chownah

clownah reveals himself to be a philistine and loathsome deprecator of quality literature :o ...

well, if you didn't like the book try watching the movie...Kurosawa did a respectable version of The Idiot starring Toshihiro Mifune...presuming of course that the subtitles don't prove to be too much for you... :D

Are the subtitles in joined-up writing?

I find this to be so much easier to read.

You're a funny old fellow, Humphrey. Tell me, is that a real Uzi in your paws, or are you in your waterproof pelt, replete with high-powered water rifle, in preparation for Songkran?

Actual fact is that I found Dostoyevski's The Idiot on line and downloaded it. I got through about 80% of it and lost interest.....just like the first time I tried reading it many many years ago....so I would have to agree that the quality of Dosoyevki's work does endure!!!! This time I decided that the only kind of person who could finish that book would be The Idiot.

Chownah

clownah reveals himself to be a philistine and loathsome deprecator of quality literature :o ...

well, if you didn't like the book try watching the movie...Kurosawa did a respectable version of The Idiot starring Toshihiro Mifune...presuming of course that the subtitles don't prove to be too much for you to handle... :D

Actually I do hate subtitles and avoid movies with them. Kurosawa is probably worth watching even if you ignore the subtitles...

But really, in the book they are ALL idiots......when I started the book (both times) I work my way through keeping track of all the quirks and interconncections of the various characters and I keep on going even when they spend pages developing their own overwrought ingrown concepts...and I think I can see some headway being made and things going forward....but then I see that the forward motion, the experiences which these various characters have over a period of more than a year do give them more perspective on the situation...but...they don't get any closer to a realistic appraisal of the situation OR EVEN OF THEMSELVES.....they just keep spinning off the tracks of any kind of introspective reasonableness into some strange deluded place that I finally get bored with trying to suspend my disbelief and I can do it no longer... .can..not..suspend... ....disbelief .. is ..too ...heavy...... ....MY GOD HOW MUCH TIME HAVE I SPENT READING THE RAMBLINGS OF IDIOTS????!!!!!!.......then I just stop......will someone please spoil it for me and tell me the ending so that I won't be tempted to pick up this thing again?.....you see the degree of disgust generated in me when it dawns on my what a stupid thing reading this book is that I don't even have a desire to skip to the end.....by that time....I....just....don't.....care.....any.....more.....

Some people say its that Russian thing and I just don't appreciate it. They may be right. I once was acquainted with a Russian man who worked as a diplomatic interpretor and he was a total a55hole...I think he thought of himself as some Dosoyeskesque character....he was a flaming a55hole idiot....so maybe it is the Russian thing I don't appreciate...don't know.

Chownah

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Maybe it's not you Chownah, maybe it's just not a very good book.

I bought 'The Last King Of Scotland' today so that will be next, thanks for that Catsysplat.

Two books by Jeff Noon, Vurt and Pollen.

Vurt (1993)

Vurt tells the story of Scribble and his "gang" the Stash Riders as they search for his missing sister Desdemona. Vurt refers to a drug/shared alternate reality that is accessed by sucking on color-coded feathers. Through some (never explained) mechanism, the dreams, mythology, and imaginings of humanity achieved objective reality in the Vurt and became "real". The book won the 1994 Arthur C. Clarke Award. Evidently there is a Vurt film in the works, but as of the date of this writing, Jeff Noon has stated on his public website that "Of the Vurt film, all has gone silent at the moment. Don’t hold your breath."

Pollen (1995)

Pollen;

Pollen is the sequel to Vurt and concerns the ongoing struggle between the real world and the vurtual world. When concerning the vurtual world, some references to Greek mythology are noticeable, including Persephone and Demeter, the river Styx and Charon, and Hades (portrayed by the character John Barleycorn).

Wikipedia.

redrus

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Very interesting Redrus, I shall have to look out for them.

I'm not really into Sci-Fi because I always feel a bit bewildered by the amount of titles available

and a lot of it is just unaccessable poppycock dressed up as intelligent writing,

so it's good to have a recommendation. Thanks.

Very interesting Redrus, I shall have to look out for them.

I'm not really into Sci-Fi because I always feel a bit bewildered by the amount of titles available

and a lot of it is just unaccessable poppycock dressed up as intelligent writing,

so it's good to have a recommendation. Thanks.

These, I think, are great books as Noon sets them in Manchester all the places and streets are places I know that are just dressed up for the book. A place called Bottle Town, I believe to be Hulme, that's so called cos all the citys bottles end up there and smashed. Everything is covered in glass, so the whole borough is sparkly greens, browns and all the colours of bottles. Noon describes it far better than I. :o

redrus

I just haven't got through the others you lent me yet!

That 'colouring-in' can be very time consuming :D :D

Bless him. :o

Hmmmmm

Actual fact is that I found Dostoyevski's The Idiot on line and downloaded it. I got through about 80% of it and lost interest.....just like the first time I tried reading it many many years ago....so I would have to agree that the quality of Dosoyevki's work does endure!!!! This time I decided that the only kind of person who could finish that book would be The Idiot.

Chownah

clownah reveals himself to be a philistine and loathsome deprecator of quality literature :D ...

well, if you didn't like the book try watching the movie...Kurosawa did a respectable version of The Idiot starring Toshihiro Mifune...presuming of course that the subtitles don't prove to be too much for you to handle... :D

Actually I do hate subtitles and avoid movies with them. Kurosawa is probably worth watching even if you ignore the subtitles...

But really, in the book they are ALL idiots......when I started the book (both times) I work my way through keeping track of all the quirks and interconncections of the various characters and I keep on going even when they spend pages developing their own overwrought ingrown concepts...and I think I can see some headway being made and things going forward....but then I see that the forward motion, the experiences which these various characters have over a period of more than a year do give them more perspective on the situation...but...they don't get any closer to a realistic appraisal of the situation OR EVEN OF THEMSELVES.....they just keep spinning off the tracks of any kind of introspective reasonableness into some strange deluded place that I finally get bored with trying to suspend my disbelief and I can do it no longer... .can..not..suspend... ....disbelief .. is ..too ...heavy...... ....MY GOD HOW MUCH TIME HAVE I SPENT READING THE RAMBLINGS OF IDIOTS????!!!!!!.......then I just stop......will someone please spoil it for me and tell me the ending so that I won't be tempted to pick up this thing again?.....you see the degree of disgust generated in me when it dawns on my what a stupid thing reading this book is that I don't even have a desire to skip to the end.....by that time....I....just....don't.....care.....any.....more.....

Some people say its that Russian thing and I just don't appreciate it. They may be right. I once was acquainted with a Russian man who worked as a diplomatic interpretor and he was a total a55hole...I think he thought of himself as some Dosoyeskesque character....he was a flaming a55hole idiot....so maybe it is the Russian thing I don't appreciate...don't know.

Chownah

in the end what happens is what the reader dreads involving Natasya Filipovna and Rogozin...the Prince comes 'full circle' so to speak...

yeah...I hear what you're saying regarding the innumerable subplots and digressions but that is common to a lot of mid 19th century literature, not just Russian...psychological portraiture is what Dostoyevsky is all about and he can't help but continually embellish on his characters, sometimes to the frustration of the reader...

and yeah...most of the characters are 'idiots' in the usual sense of the word; Dostoyevsky deliberately used 'a garish pallette' to contrast them with the central character...I reread the Idiot as well recently and remember thinking when I read it the first time 'and I thought that my friends were weird...' Since then I've known people that resemble some of the folks in the novel...especially the two female lead characters... :o

(cut to the cinema queue scene in Annie Hall but replace the blithering poseur with tutsiwarrior and Woody with Chownah who then pulls 'ol Fyodor himself out from behind a display board to entone to a startled tutsi 'you know nothing of my work...' :D )

Any books concerning Midkemia & Kelewan by R.E. Feist. Also The Emperor series By Conn Iggulden. The Dangerous book for boys, by the same author. If you have read the latter, you will know what I mean by everyone over 45 ought to be dead. :o

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Try...............Thailand and the fall of Singapore ( A frustrated Asian Revolution ) by Nigel J Brailey. Book focuses on History from the 1932 revolution to 1968.

Interesting quote from fly-sheet. " Dr. Brailey demonstrates that Thailand, once freed from post-war trauma, achieved a level of political freedom unsurpassed in Asia '.

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