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I seem to remember reading somewhere or other that fathers aged over 50 of Thai children could get a 3 month visa extension to a non imm O visa at their local immigration office.

Could somebody please tell me whether this is a figment of my rather old imagination or if this is in fact still the case. If so what is the cost(1,900 bht?) and apart from the childs birth certificate what other documents or proof of earnings would be required?

My wife inquired at the Samui immigration office (their larger than life fees have been well documented on thaivisa)but they only gave her a leaflet regarding retirement visa extensions...and they kindly advised that the extension fee would be 5,000 baht and not 1,900 bht(I think that's right but correct me if I'm wrong??)....but hey who needs to drink tea when you can drink champaign!'

Many thanks for any feedback.

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Section 2.24 allows a 60 day stay to visit wife or child. Birth certificate should be all you need. Other than the fee. Normally 1,900 baht.

Posted (edited)

Hi Brizzle

You remember correctly, if over 50 with Thai child you can get a year "O" visa. I don't know about just going for just a month extension.

You don't have to show any money, not in the bank or any income. Trouble is not all Immigration offices know about these relatively new regulations so you really have to be assertive when applying.

They do try to fob you off with retirement or marriage or some other type of visa that they know about and are used to issuing so you have to be firm and stand your ground.

When we applied at my local, Krabi, office they just laughed at me when I said I had no money to show. It was only as I started to write down their names with the intention of reporting their incompetence to Bangkok Head Office that they took any notice and processed the paperwork.

Once the one year extension was granted we joked about how it will be easier next year now they know the procedure. :)

Ops! yes the fee for extention is 1900Bt.

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Posted (edited)

You can no longer obtain a one year extension of stay for child without financial means. That ended last year. It now requires the same 40k/400k as a spouse.

Edited by lopburi3
Posted

The rule for the 60 day extension.

2.24 In the case of an alien

visiting a Thai spouse or child:

Permission

will be granted for a period of not more than 60 days at a time

(1) Proof of relationship.

(2) In the case of a spouse, their marital relationship shall be de

jure (legitimate) and de facto.

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Hi Brizzle

You remember correctly, if over 50 with Thai child you can get a year "O" visa. I don't know about just going for just a month extension.

You don't have to show any money, not in the bank or any income. Trouble is not all Immigration offices know about these relatively new regulations so you really have to be assertive when applying.

They do try to fob you off with retirement or marriage or some other type of visa that they know about and are used to issuing so you have to be firm and stand your ground.

When we applied at my local, Krabi, office they just laughed at me when I said I had no money to show. It was only as I started to write down their names with the intention of reporting their incompetence to Bangkok Head Office that they took any notice and processed the paperwork.

Once the one year extension was granted we joked about how it will be easier next year now they know the procedure. :)

Ops! yes the fee for extention is 1900Bt.

You won't get it without showing money now. They changed the rules November of last year.

See 2.18 of this police order.

police_order_2008.pdf

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Sorry

But I think we just did. You will have to use the marriage option now. The child option is only for single (unmarried) parents.

But it is better to learn about it now than learn about it latter when you need your extension done.

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Sorry

But I think we just did. You will have to use the marriage option now. The child option is only for single (unmarried)parents.

But it is better to learn about it now than learn about it latter when need your extension done.

But for that you have to show income or money in the bank ? :)

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Yes, but till 25 November immigration has the discretion to use the old rules for old cases. It is up to them and any extension after 25 Nov. will have to be confirm the new rules.

Posted

That's correct. The only difference is that the money does not have to be in the bank for 2 months and the clause that allows immigration some discreation in special cases.

Posted

So this is for NEXT November?

My visa is due in November so I may just slip in under the wire :D

ubonjoe Have you got a Thai version of that Police Order? Her Indoors wants to check the translation :)

Thanks

Posted

As Mario said. Have a Plan B. Do not hope for too much. I haven't seen any reports of this discretion being used.

They were very reluctant to issue this last year, I cannot see them jumping at doing it when they do not have to.

Posted

Thanks Mario for the link.

Plan "B" Mmmmm! Well I got my UK pension but that goes up and down down down with the exchange rate. If I remember right I would need a letter from the Embassy confirming the pension.

How does that work? do they confirm the money in UKp and let the immigration guys work out how much a month that is in Baht?

This is giving me headache :)

Posted

Believe they will list in UK pounds and immigration will have to convert.

You always have the multi entry non immigrant O visa with 90 day visa runs as a fallback. The ED visa/extension study of Thai can also be useful for many people.

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Sorry

But I think we just did. You will have to use the marriage option now. The child option is only for single (unmarried) parents.

But it is better to learn about it now than learn about it latter when you need your extension done.

Joe,

"In the case of a child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse, the said person must not be married, must be living with the family, and must be less than 20 years of age;"

That is for a child wanting to live with his/her parents!

I have the child extension since two years back and the only difference is the income/ money in the bank, requirement.

//t

Posted
Sorry

But I think we just did. You will have to use the marriage option now. The child option is only for single (unmarried) parents.

But it is better to learn about it now than learn about it latter when you need your extension done.

Joe,

"In the case of a child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse, the said person must not be married, must be living with the family, and must be less than 20 years of age;"

That is for a child wanting to live with his/her parents!

I have the child extension since two years back and the only difference is the income/ money in the bank, requirement.

//t

If you are married to the Child's Mother they will issue based on your Marriage as the financial requirements are the same and it is easier.

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You can no longer obtain a one year extension of stay for child without financial means. That ended last year. It now requires the same 40k/400k as a spouse.

what about adult childen sponsoring foreign national fathers?

Posted
You can no longer obtain a one year extension of stay for child without financial means. That ended last year. It now requires the same 40k/400k as a spouse.

what about adult childen sponsoring foreign national fathers?

No. There is no provision for that. Look at 2.18

Posted

That falls under this part of the clause.

(5) In the case of a parent, one of parents must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit of not less than 400,000 baht for expenses within a year.

In other necessary circumstances, The Immigration Commissioner or Deputy of Immigration Commissioner may approve on case to case basis.

I guess in a case where the parent is unalbe to show proof of income the child could provide support. But it would have to go through a special approval process.

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Joe,

"In the case of a child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse, the said person must not be married, must be living with the family, and must be less than 20 years of age;"

That is for a child wanting to live with his/her parents!

I have the child extension since two years back and the only difference is the income/ money in the bank, requirement.

//t

If you are quoting the current police order that clause is to get an extension for a child that is not Thai.

For example if you had a child from a previous marriage (your Thai wifes step child) you could get an extension for them.

You can not use it to get yourself an extension.

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Joe,

"In the case of a child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse, the said person must not be married, must be living with the family, and must be less than 20 years of age;"

That is for a child wanting to live with his/her parents!

I have the child extension since two years back and the only difference is the income/ money in the bank, requirement.

//t

If you are quoting the current police order that clause is to get an extension for a child that is not Thai.

For example if you had a child from a previous marriage (your Thai wifes step child) you could get an extension for them.

You can not use it to get yourself an extension.

Didn't you say that "the child option is only for single (unmarried) parents"?

And to LiteBeer: the financial requerment is NOT the same as with the marriage option since there is no time specified that the money has to be in the bank before application. The marriage option stipulates that the money has to be Yours and in the bank two months prior to application.

//t

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Here are the 3 cases that are mentioned in the police order.

(4) In the case of a child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse, the said person must not be married, must be living with the family, and must be less than 20 years of age; or

(5) In the case of a parent, one of parents must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit of not less than 400,000 baht for expenses within a year.

In other necessary circumstances, The Immigration Commissioner or Deputy of Immigration Commissioner may approve on case to case basis.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

Your post contained the text of (4). So that is what I defined in my reply.

I think (5) is the one you were referring to in your post.

The financial requirements are the same in (5) and (6). In (5) it does not have to be in the bank for 2 month but the amouns are the same.

Posted (edited)

Many thanks for eveyones help with this . Just one more question if I may in regard to fathers of Thai children. With my Non O visa I have been leaving the country every 3 months and am now wondering if it was possible for me to do a 90 day report instead ? By the way I am not married yet,it's just that my better half likes me to refer to her as my wife and she has been known to read these pages! Not sure if my unmarried status makes any difference in all of this.

What is the procedure and cost of reporting if any?

We shall be returning to England this summer so I need to try and weigh up the best visa for me,that is a straight retirement visa(800,000 in the bank plus reporting and extension allowed in Thailand) or possibly just the Non O imm with extension(due to thai child status)and 400,000 in the bank. If I can do the 90 day report on this option then I guess this would be as good a choice as any.

Thanks once again and please correct me if any of my figures or understanding of this matter is wrong.

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Posted

You can get an extension based upon having a Thai child if you are not married. How easy it will be to get will depend upon the immigration office you have to use. My post above gives the money requirements.

If you have problems getting it then if you are over 50 the reitrement extension would be the next option. It requires 800K in the bank (For 2 months for first extension) or 65K per month income proven by a letter from the embassy,

Any type of extension of stay means you don't have to do border runs and just do 90 day reports.

If you have a multiple entry visa you can apply for etiher extension within the last 30 days of any entry.

Posted
I have been leaving the country every 3 months and am now wondering if it was possible for me to do a 90 day report instead ?

This is not an option for multi entry visa use. Only if you extend your stay for one year does the 90 day report (actually advising that you have stayed 90 days) come into play. There is no charge for this as you are not doing anything but reporting your current address.

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