Non Imm O In Support Of Thai Child

[jackjack]

Does anyone here have any experience with non Imm O visa for support of a thai child.

I have had 2 Imm O visa issued from another country, I do not wish to return to this country now just for a renewal of a visa that is due shortly.

I was told that because I now have a thai child, born in Thailand, I can get this visa issued here. I am not married to the mother, although we have been together for many years.

I was advised to go to the local Amphur for where the child was born and get the document required for this. Well, basically they knew nothing about it and usual i left the building empty handed and unimpressed with things as usual.

Has anyone actually gone through this process as I mention, remember, NOT MARRIED.

Hope someone can shed just a little more light than the thai authorities, just a little, not to much, just enough to get by and get the job done. Thanks.

[Crossy]

If you are the father you should be able to extend your stay based on support, how easy it is, well, TiT.

If you decide to go ahead, do keep us posted on how it goes, I'm sure there will be others wanting to go down this route.

There are a few threads on this site, do a search on 'support child', this post by Lopburi3 looks particularly helpful (his replys are always accurate and relevant). Have a look at the threads.

I do not believe he would have a hard time obtaining a non immigrant O visa to visit his child but living here on an extension of stay may be very carefully checked and additional paperwork to that listed below (from Division 3 Immigration) might be required:

(a father/mother who is an alien)

Application for further stay for an alien father or mother to support children who are Thai Citizen

1. Immigration form 7

2. Copy of passport

3. A 4 cm. x 6 cm. photograph

4. A 1,900 bath application fee

5. Evidence indication the parental status; birth certificate or a judicial custody order of the child

6. Evidence presenting financial status:

- Bank pass-book, bank statement certifying amount of money in the applicant's account, a certified documents of money transferring from oversea or evidence of income with related documents

7. A record of interviewing the applicant

8. The officials reserve the rights to examine or ask for additional documents if necessary

- In most cases, the request will not be approved if the alien parents sponsor an dopted child who is a Thai citizen

[Noodles]

I'm going to apply for a Non O in the UK in a couple of months, I have

all the necessary documents ready, but the marriage and baby certificates

are in thai. Will this be a problem, or will they except them ok??

Thanks for your responses.

Noodles

[lopburi3]

I'm going to apply for a Non O in the UK in a couple of months, I have

all the necessary documents ready, but the marriage and baby certificates

are in thai. Will this be a problem, or will they except them ok??

Thanks for your responses.

Noodles

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Best to call the Consulate involved - they may not even need them. There should not be much in the way of documents you need for a non O visa for visits based on marriage - it is later when you want to extend your stay that you have a shopping list to follow.

[lopburi3]

Does anyone here have any experience with non Imm O visa for support of a thai child.

I have had 2 Imm O visa issued from another country, I do not wish to return to this country now just for a renewal of a visa that is due shortly.

I was told that because I now have a thai child, born in Thailand, I can get this visa issued here. I am not married to the mother, although we have been together for many years.

I was advised to go to the local Amphur for where the child was born and get the document required for this. Well, basically they knew nothing about it and usual i left the building empty handed and unimpressed with things as usual.

Has anyone actually gone through this process as I mention, remember, NOT MARRIED.

Hope someone can shed just a little more light than the thai authorities, just a little, not to much, just enough to get by and get the job done. Thanks.

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You should be able to find information within the last 90 days or so; including the document name. Believe basic is that a court gives you financial responsibility and this document is presented to immigration. Several have posted the details but don't recall exactly; other than it is not a weekend affair.

[Noodles]

I'm going to apply for a Non O in the UK in a couple of months, I have

all the necessary documents ready, but the marriage and baby certificates

are in thai. Will this be a problem, or will they except them ok??

Thanks for your responses.

Noodles

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Best to call the Consulate involved - they may not even need them. There should not be much in the way of documents you need for a non O visa for visits based on marriage - it is later when you want to extend your stay that you have a shopping list to follow.

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Thanks for the info Lopburi

[COBBER]

If you are talking about a 1 year extension on a non imm o ( 400k Baht in bank) you have to go through the thai legal system and get a court order stating that you are supporting the child. Best to see a Lawyer specialising in family law.

If you want a 1 year multi entry non imm o ( effectively nearly 15 months) where you do a visa run every 90 days this can easily be obtained in Penang by presenting the childs birth certificate showing you as the father.

[jackjack]

If you are talking about a 1 year extension on a non imm o ( 400k Baht in bank) you have to go through the thai legal system and get a court order stating that you are supporting the child. Best to see a Lawyer specialising in family law.

If you want a 1 year multi entry non imm o ( effectively nearly 15 months) where you do a visa run every 90 days this can easily be obtained in Penang by presenting the childs birth certificate showing you as the father.

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Cobber, thanks. How current is the Penang info ? I ask because I contacted Singapore and they will not do it at all, in fact told me to go back to australia. The 90 days is no problem, but would prefer the 12 month without leaving for once, what a novelty.

We have contacted a lawyer friend here, so will wait to see what she says. Do you have any idea of the legal cost ? and timeframe to get this document ??

Thanks.

[CMguy]

I am also the father of a Thai child and unmarried. I had to go to court to recieve my "nawg suea rap rong boot" from the Amphur here in Chiang Mai. I am also living with my thai girl friend and our daughter.

The Amphur will not issue the Rap Rong boot unless one of the following conditions are met

1) you are married to the mother of the child and are therefore recognized as the father in Thai law.

2) your child is able to read and write in thai, can understand the law regarding child custody, confirming you as the father and able to confirm you are indeed the father in the presence of the Amphur officials.

3) you must go to Thai court to sue to be recognized as the "legal" father in Thai law. This must be done in the Amphur where the child is registered on the Tabien Bahn (house papers). Once this is completed you will be awarded "custody" papers for the child and you then have seven days from the custody award date to register with the Amphur and recieve the " nawng suea rap rong boot" This is the document you need to extend your visa.

I just completed this last summer so I am fairly certain it is accurate

IMO you should have your girlfriend initiate the legal proceedings that way the judge will see that you are not fighting for custody but rather you both want you to be recognized as the legal father in Thai law.

I have now recently applied to extend my visa and am currently " under consideration" for that, will see how that goes.

Good luck to you

Edited March 21, 2005 by CMguy

[jackjack]

WOW, in good old Aussie lingo "what a root"

Funny, I have been quoted by 2 visa shops here that they can do it no problem. I would like to give them a go, but as is normal in Thailand, I fear the old "sorry sir we cannot" after I have paid the bucks over.

Thanks for your information. I have a Thai lawyer friend looking into it, lets see what she comes up with, I have my doubts though.

[CMguy]

If you go to any Thai consulate or Embassy you can obtain a non-o visa for the purpose of supporting a Thai child with just the birth certificate showing you as the father, its when you go to extend that you have to "jump through hoops".

Hope this helps.

[jackjack]

That is different from what I have heard.

I had no problem renewing the O in my home country with just the birth certificate, twice.

But the problem seems to come up when you want to do it in another country. I contacted the Singapore embassy, which previously was one of the easiest and closest places to go to get it. They told me they do not issue them anymore to foreigners, in other words they do issue for their nationals, but not outsiders, they told me to go back to my country to renew.

This also seems to be confirmed that in the last 18 to 24 months, we had the immigration crackdowns here, remember things got harder, more expensive. It seemed to be all in response and around the time that individuals were being busted for sending their passporst away for stamping and not actually going themselves. This clampdown seemed to be in a direct response to this.

Now I could go to one of these countires and try it, but it is a risk of not getting it, then having to go somewhere else, or back to my home country, or just re-enter and get a 30 day tourist. A little bit risky of failure and expensive based on all advice and hearsay so far.

Wonder if the Philippines are issuing them

[CMguy]

To clarify things a little

You can continue to obtain "new" Visa's outside of Thailand with just the birth certificate .

However, if you would like to extend your stay in Thailand, based on an existing Visa( without the need to leave Thailand), then you must do what I stated in the previous post. It is really not that difficult to do. The hardest part for me was to find a good lawyer at a reasonable price. You stated previously you have already done that. The rest is easy to do.

[astral]

I'm going to apply for a Non O in the UK in a couple of months, I have

all the necessary documents ready, but the marriage and baby certificates

are in thai. Will this be a problem, or will they except them ok??

Thanks for your responses.

Noodles

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If the Royal Thai Embassy cannot cope with marriage and birth certificates in Thai,

then I do not know who can.

Don't worry about it.

You only need translations for the foreign embassies.

[faranggerman]

Does anyone here have any experience with non Imm O visa for support of a thai child.

I have had 2 Imm O visa issued from another country, I do not wish to return to this country now just for a renewal of a visa that is due shortly.

I was told that because I now have a thai child, born in Thailand, I can get this visa issued here. I am not married to the mother, although we have been together for many years.

I was advised to go to the local Amphur for where the child was born and get the document required for this. Well, basically they knew nothing about it and usual i left the building empty handed and unimpressed with things as usual.

Has anyone actually gone through this process as I mention, remember, NOT MARRIED.

Hope someone can shed just a little more light than the thai authorities, just a little, not to much, just enough to get by and get the job done. Thanks.

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Hi,i just finished all the paper stuff last year,hmmm it is important to know how old is ur kid,if ur kid is old enough that it can talk and understand the questions from the Ampher,[they would ask ur kid if ur the father and stuff like that]if ur kid is to small to understand u need to take a lawyer and go to the courthouse takes about 2-3 months ,cost about 10-15000baht if everything is fine u will be under thai law the father of ur kid in thai language the name of the document is biraprongbood or slang bilaplongbood,ok have fun,ohhhh i forgot if u dont have 400000baht in ur bank or pension or anything,then forget all,immigration doesnt care if ur the father of a thai citizen as long u dont have money

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Does anyone here have any experience with non Imm O visa for support of a thai child.

I have had 2 Imm O visa issued from another country, I do not wish to return to this country now just for a renewal of a visa that is due shortly.

I was told that because I now have a thai child, born in Thailand, I can get this visa issued here. I am not married to the mother, although we have been together for many years.

I was advised to go to the local Amphur for where the child was born and get the document required for this. Well, basically they knew nothing about it and usual i left the building empty handed and unimpressed with things as usual.

Has anyone actually gone through this process as I mention, remember, NOT MARRIED.

Hope someone can shed just a little more light than the thai authorities, just a little, not to much, just enough to get by and get the job done. Thanks.

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Hi,i just finished all the paper stuff last year,hmmm it is important to know how old is ur kid,if ur kid is old enough that it can talk and understand the questions from the Ampher,[they would ask ur kid if ur the father and stuff like that]if ur kid is to small to understand u need to take a lawyer and go to the courthouse takes about 2-3 months ,cost about 10-15000baht if everything is fine u will be under thai law the father of ur kid in thai language the name of the document is biraprongbood or slang bilaplongbood,ok have fun,ohhhh i forgot if u dont have 400000baht in ur bank or pension or anything,then forget all,immigration doesnt care if ur the father of a thai citizen as long u dont have money

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Them's the rules

[jackjack]

Doc, was the 15k in Bangkok? or elsewhere?

I have been quoted a price here, I think it is expensive, but it has a few other added benefits with it, possibilities. So I may end up using it and being done with it once and for all. This lawyer is in a law firm patronised by many Thai politicians and she charges like it also.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Doc, was the 15k in Bangkok? or elsewhere?

I have been quoted a price here, I think it is expensive, but it has a few other added benefits with it, possibilities. So I may end up using it and being done with it once and for all. This lawyer is in a law firm patronised by many Thai politicians and she charges like it also.

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If you are the lawful custodial parent and have the income/savings component and a Non-Immigrant O visa, the extension should not be too difficult with or without a lawyer.

[jackjack]

Doc, the problem is as I said I think earlier, we are not married. So it confuses them somewhat.

As t difficult. We have been to the Amphur, twice, we have been to Immigration, twice and it was fruitless and frustrating. Even a couple of professional visa agents and law firms have ######ed up the advice.

ve started this process now, I have a few other things on thet that she is making sure is done inclusive of the fee. So I am comfortable with it now, even though still expensive, it will or should hopefully, get done and be over with

Afterall, the fee is in the end, cheaper than 3 visa runs for me on average.

Once it is complete, couple of months, I will post full details and info on what 'I' did, it may not suit everyone.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Doc, the problem is as I said I think earlier, we are not married. So it confuses them somewhat.

As t difficult. We have been to the Amphur, twice, we have been to Immigration, twice and it was fruitless and frustrating. Even a couple of professional visa agents and law firms have ######ed up the advice.

ve started this process now, I have a few other things on thet that she is making sure is done inclusive of the fee. So I am comfortable with it now, even though still expensive, it will or should hopefully, get done and be over with

Afterall, the fee is in the end, cheaper than 3 visa runs for me on average.

Once it is complete, couple of months, I will post full details and info on what 'I' did, it may not suit everyone.

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I look forward to that Jack. Good luck.