i really never get this attitude about risking life as if the volunteer soldier was not aware that by signing up for military service, fighting in war zones may be part of the deal. I have a son who attended the coast guard acadamy, washed out after a couple of yrs, after traveling to europe and china and completing his university studies he has now re signed in the army, he is fully aware that his next deployment may be in a hot zone. Why do the doves complain when the fighting soldiers do not? As for the money spent, once again i remind all that as the largest employer the money spent on the military and all it's sub contracts is a huge part of keeping the economy moving.

I'll take a shot at answering that...Because doves can't comprehend why anyone would want to be a soldier and risk their life if they had a real choice. They believe people who volunteer feel they have no other way to earn money. Fight - or starve to death. Soldiers are stupid, uneducated rednecks or stupid, uneducated poor inner city kids. The dove is superior both morally & intellectually to a soldier so they feel it is their duty to make the soldier see the error of their ways.

finally i know the reason why i was as a young german officer stupid enough to volunteer and serve 15 months in Viet Nam integrated in a combat unit of the 101st Airborne. thanks for enlightening me Koheesti!

signed:

Naam, stupid German Redneck

(who has most probably more academic degrees than a whole intellectual Koheesti clan)

That brings up the question of how many Al Qaeda members are right across the border in Pakistan?

Would you happen to have any numbers on this little poser?

No but I can pretty much assume if there is more than 1 that will probably be good enough reason for TPTB to next run into Pakistan. Not that they have not already sent many calling cards & gifts to even wedding parties there.

After all the pipe line needs to pass through it no?

While we are at it we should look at Al Qaeda vs Taliban does TPTB still chase both?

If TPTB need to chase both & occupy all countries they exist in they may have a job for many decades

Which in the end could be the whole point couldn't it?

errrr we are in fact risking 1000 sons & daughter to chase per 1

Nope.

Oh I see Kor Tort

Perhaps you best call US Intelligence & let them know their wrong then....

senior U.S. intelligence official told them that "the approximate estimate of 100 al Qaeda members left in Afghanistan

1) The "dove reply" was not specifically targeted at anyone person (whether you're a dove or not). It was my interpretation of what doves in general likely think.

2) Can you read and understand an army field manual? I'm not disputing the number of al Qaeda in Afghanistan. I am disputing that "chasing" al Qaeda is the only thing our troops are doing therefore saying 1000 are chasing 1 al Qaeda member is misleading in a way Michael Moore would be proud of. Let me give you another example based on for your calculations;

Little Johnny spent $2000 for a 10-day vacation to Thailand. While here, he ate 10 portions of pad thai. Therefore, each portion cost him $200.

i really never get this attitude about risking life as if the volunteer soldier was not aware that by signing up for military service, fighting in war zones may be part of the deal. I have a son who attended the coast guard acadamy, washed out after a couple of yrs, after traveling to europe and china and completing his university studies he has now re signed in the army, he is fully aware that his next deployment may be in a hot zone. Why do the doves complain when the fighting soldiers do not? As for the money spent, once again i remind all that as the largest employer the money spent on the military and all it's sub contracts is a huge part of keeping the economy moving.

I'll take a shot at answering that...Because doves can't comprehend why anyone would want to be a soldier and risk their life if they had a real choice. They believe people who volunteer feel they have no other way to earn money. Fight - or starve to death. Soldiers are stupid, uneducated rednecks or stupid, uneducated poor inner city kids. The dove is superior both morally & intellectually to a soldier so they feel it is their duty to make the soldier see the error of their ways.

finally i know the reason why i was as a young german officer stupid enough to volunteer and serve 15 months in Viet Nam integrated in a combat unit of the 101st Airborne. thanks for enlightening me Koheesti!

signed:

Naam, stupid German Redneck

(who has most probably more academic degrees than a whole intellectual Koheesti clan)

OK, English is not your first language so I will be kind to you here. As I stated in my previous post above, the "dove reply" was my interpretation of what doves in general might think (because they are unlikely to answer the question asked my mac-man themselves). I can only guess what a dove thinks. If you have been reading my posts you would know that I obviously don't feel that way about soldiers. I wasn't the one here who said they were like 10th grade children.

There are plenty of people here with disdain for the military as you know because you usually side with them. Now all of a sudden you are an offended Vietnam veteran. Hmmm, OK. IF what you post above about serving in Vietnam is true, then it is very admirable and if we ever meet I'd be happy to buy you a bier. Why would any European want to go off to Vietnam and fight alongside the Americans anyway? As a Hessian merc serving with the Yanks, did you hear any good Valley Forge jokes?

As for academic degrees, I have 2 myself. Include my siblings and the total rises to seven. So where did you get your eight or more degrees from, ebay?

After all the pipe line needs to pass through it no?

fwiw, the pipeline is going through the other side of the country.

Little Johnny spent $2000 for a 10-day vacation to Thailand. While here, he ate 10 portions of pad thai. Therefore, each portion cost him $200.

Thats silly............

We all know little Johnnies just say they come for the Pad Thai.

We know where the money really went

But that is about equal to the BS most sheeple are led to believe about Iraq & Afghanistan

As for the money spent, once again i remind all that as the largest employer the money spent on the military and all it's sub contracts is a huge part of keeping the economy moving.

That's really sad and very wrong, don't you think?

The troops are doing much more than chasing al Qaeda. They are fighting the Taliban, providing some security, hunting down the bad guys (If one man robs a bank, does just one cop try to find him?), even building schools, etc and if you believe PeaceBlondie, they are going village to village raping the women and girls.

They aren't loving their enemies. Therefore, by definition, they're not Christians.

1. There are plenty of people here with disdain for the military as you know because you usually side with them. Now all of a sudden you are an offended Vietnam veteran. Hmmm, OK. IF what you post above about serving in Vietnam is true, then it is very admirable and if we ever meet I'd be happy to buy you a bier.

2. Why would any European want to go off to Vietnam and fight alongside the Americans anyway? As a Hessian merc serving with the Yanks, did you hear any good Valley Forge jokes?

3. As for academic degrees, I have 2 myself. Include my siblings and the total rises to seven. So where did you get your eight or more degrees from, ebay?

for the record:

1. i never aired disdain for any military. soldiers swore an oath and carry out their duties. i despise those who send soldiers across their borders to commit crimes against humanity but have a big mouth about the lack of human rights in countries were their policies result in killing and maiming innocent human beings.

2. today i am ashamed having been a stupid young boy who believed in lies (Tongkin, Domino effect in SEA and similar bullshit). i am also ashamed that i immensely profited from my decision because my eight years of studies were paid for by the armed forces.

3. there are academic degrees and there are american academic degrees i say that although i spent 1½ years at the M.I.T., Boston.

next!

1. There are plenty of people here with disdain for the military as you know because you usually side with them. Now all of a sudden you are an offended Vietnam veteran. Hmmm, OK. IF what you post above about serving in Vietnam is true, then it is very admirable and if we ever meet I'd be happy to buy you a bier.

2. Why would any European want to go off to Vietnam and fight alongside the Americans anyway? As a Hessian merc serving with the Yanks, did you hear any good Valley Forge jokes?

3. As for academic degrees, I have 2 myself. Include my siblings and the total rises to seven. So where did you get your eight or more degrees from, ebay?

for the record:

1. i never aired disdain for any military. soldiers swore an oath and carry out their duties. i despise those who send soldiers across their borders to commit crimes against humanity but have a big mouth about the lack of human rights in countries were their policies result in killing and maiming innocent human beings.

2. today i am ashamed having been a stupid young boy who believed in lies (Tongkin, Domino effect in SEA and similar bullshit). i am also ashamed that i immensely profited from my decision because my eight years of studies were paid for by the armed forces.

3. there are academic degrees and there are american academic degrees i say that although i spent 1½ years at the M.I.T., Boston.

next!

1. I never said you did. I said you usually side with those here that do.

2. Tonkin was B.S.. We don't really know about the Domino Effect or not. If the NVA were left completely unchallenged, who knows where it would have stopped? Maybe it wouldn't have happened but no one knows for sure.

3. I studied one summer at Harvard in Cambridge. Maybe you've heard of it? American degrees can't be that bad. Enough foreigners come over to earn them. Including a Parisian girlfriend of mine about 20 years ago. I'm ever so grateful that she decided she needed that American education.

There are plenty of people here with disdain for the military as you know because you usually side with them.

No matter how many times or in how many different ways it is attempted....The fact that people here have tried in vain to explain it is not the military they have the problem with. It is the easiest for you & chuck to try to claim that or some disdain for it is the problem.

It is not.

from what i have read here, there are those who believe that the military is for fighting and defending and others who believe the military is there to perform in parades.

I mean seriously, what is the purpose of the military? To fight on it's own countries soil? Given the fact that all wars for the USA will hopefully be fought outside the US soil, i guess all military action would be considered a wrongful invasion or occupation by daughters and sons to promote an unlawful killing spree. It may be worth noting that these last military actions came after we were attacked, in other words we did not going looking for the fight but the fight came to us.

from what i have read here, there are those who believe that the military is for fighting and defending and others who believe the military is there to perform in parades.

I mean seriously, what is the purpose of the military? To fight on it's own countries soil? Given the fact that all wars for the USA will hopefully be fought outside the US soil, i guess all military action would be considered a wrongful invasion or occupation by daughters and sons to promote an unlawful killing spree. It may be worth noting that these last military actions came after we were attacked, in other words we did not going looking for the fight but the fight came to us.

When an American entity killed 20 000 people in Bopal, through negligence, America not only did not care enough to try to make reparations, they protected those Americans responsible.

Twenty thousand dead, more with health effects.

America is not the benevolent entity that you like to think. It is self-interested and self serving. So too for it's illegal and unreasonable military actions.

from what i have read here, there are those who believe that the military is for fighting and defending and others who believe the military is there to perform in parades.

I mean seriously, what is the purpose of the military? To fight on it's own countries soil? Given the fact that all wars for the USA will hopefully be fought outside the US soil, i guess all military action would be considered a wrongful invasion or occupation by daughters and sons to promote an unlawful killing spree. It may be worth noting that these last military actions came after we were attacked, in other words we did not going looking for the fight but the fight came to us.

When an American entity killed 20 000 people in Bopal, through negligence, America not only did not care enough to try to make reparations, they protected those Americans responsible.

Twenty thousand dead, more with health effects.

America is not the benevolent entity that you like to think. It is self-interested and self serving. So too for it's illegal and unreasonable military actions.

Can you name ONE good thing America for the world?

from what i have read here, there are those who believe that the military is for fighting and defending and others who believe the military is there to perform in parades.

I mean seriously, what is the purpose of the military? To fight on it's own countries soil? Given the fact that all wars for the USA will hopefully be fought outside the US soil, i guess all military action would be considered a wrongful invasion or occupation by daughters and sons to promote an unlawful killing spree. It may be worth noting that these last military actions came after we were attacked, in other words we did not going looking for the fight but the fight came to us.

When an American entity killed 20 000 people in Bopal, through negligence, America not only did not care enough to try to make reparations, they protected those Americans responsible.

Twenty thousand dead, more with health effects.

America is not the benevolent entity that you like to think. It is self-interested and self serving. So too for it's illegal and unreasonable military actions.

Can you name ONE good thing America for the world?

Hmmmm, I'm not quite sure of your English grammar there, but I will make allowances for your nationality, as you so benevolently do for others.

I hate aspects of America's policies and actions. It does not mean that I don't acknowledge her good points too. Your overall argument, if you concede any bad at all, is that her good outweighs her bad. You should try to look at it from the rest of the world's perspective.

BTW....once AGAIN, you respond without addressing whatever you are quoting. Sharpen up, you're starting to bore me.

from what i have read here, there are those who believe that the military is for fighting and defending and others who believe the military is there to perform in parades.

I mean seriously, what is the purpose of the military? To fight on it's own countries soil? Given the fact that all wars for the USA will hopefully be fought outside the US soil, i guess all military action would be considered a wrongful invasion or occupation by daughters and sons to promote an unlawful killing spree. It may be worth noting that these last military actions came after we were attacked, in other words we did not going looking for the fight but the fight came to us.

When an American entity killed 20 000 people in Bopal, through negligence, America not only did not care enough to try to make reparations, they protected those Americans responsible.

Twenty thousand dead, more with health effects.

America is not the benevolent entity that you like to think. It is self-interested and self serving. So too for it's illegal and unreasonable military actions.

i can agree with that america does what it can to promote it's own best interest and in doing so i would bet that it has spread more money around the globe than the UN and most definatly done more good. I would also bet that America is one of the largest benefactors to Africa even though it is full of old european colonies. When ever there is a natural desaster in the world the US is typically on the spot with not just pledges but ground support, supplies and cash. So yes the American Govt is not perfect and yes Amercans do make mistakes and sometimes life is lost and the American govt will protect it's own rather than throw them under the bus and i do not think they are alone in this behavior. One thing that drives me crazy is how the Europeans like to blame the US for causing them problems with their muslim populations but that is really an easy out and a fantasy. The muslims in Europe have had issues far longer than the time the US has had a war on terror.

When an American entity killed 20 000 people in Bopal, through negligence, America not only did not care enough to try to make reparations, they protected those Americans responsible.

Twenty thousand dead, more with health effects.

America is not the benevolent entity that you like to think. It is self-interested and self serving. So too for it's illegal and unreasonable military actions.

Can you name ONE good thing America for the world?

Hmmmm, I'm not quite sure of your English grammar there, but I will make allowances for your nationality, as you so benevolently do for others.

I hate aspects of America's policies and actions. It does not mean that I don't acknowledge her good points too. Your overall argument, if you concede any bad at all, is that her good outweighs her bad. You should try to look at it from the rest of the world's perspective.

Still can't answer the question. Can't even name one thing? I'm amazed at my restraint at limiting myself to calling you just an idiot. You keep reaching for my typos like a drowning man for a life preserver. Those typos are the only thing you have to comeback with because you certainly can't answer a question. Here, let me give you some more to help keep you afloat...Hrcort, yo r a fkng idot!

BTW....once AGAIN, you respond without addressing whatever you are quoting. Sharpen up, you're starting to bore me.

Hmmm. You don't see the connection? Well, there you have it. Yet further proof that you shouldn't be tossing insults at Dubbya. I'm really going to hate myself if it turns out you really are mentally handicapped. Can you ask an adult in your house to PM me so I can ask? Or maybe the guard when he comes by to spoon feed you your strained carrots?

i can agree with that america does what it can to promote it's own best interest ...

Like any other country.

I studied one summer at Harvard in Cambridge. Maybe you've heard of it? American degrees can't be that bad. Enough foreigners come over to earn them. Including a Parisian girlfriend of mine about 20 years ago. I'm ever so grateful that she decided she needed that American education.

any spicy pictures of her?

I studied one summer at Harvard in Cambridge. Maybe you've heard of it? American degrees can't be that bad. Enough foreigners come over to earn them. Including a Parisian girlfriend of mine about 20 years ago. I'm ever so grateful that she decided she needed that American education.

any spicy pictures of her?

Naam your slipping ... I thought for sure you would ask for a picture of the 1 summer course implied degree

Then again the Parisian would be a better pic.....as long as it didn't have an air nozzle on it

I studied one summer at Harvard in Cambridge. Maybe you've heard of it? American degrees can't be that bad. Enough foreigners come over to earn them. Including a Parisian girlfriend of mine about 20 years ago. I'm ever so grateful that she decided she needed that American education.

any spicy pictures of her?

Naam your slipping ... I thought for sure you would ask for a picture of the 1 summer course implied degree

Then again the Parisian would be a better pic.....as long as it didn't have an air nozzle on it

nah... it's Parisian ladies i am interested in. one of them located me some months ago (after 39 years through a mutual acquaintance) and sent a few pictures. merde alors! at age 63 she looks as appetising as she looked when she was 24

I studied one summer at Harvard in Cambridge. Maybe you've heard of it? American degrees can't be that bad. Enough foreigners come over to earn them. Including a Parisian girlfriend of mine about 20 years ago. I'm ever so grateful that she decided she needed that American education.

any spicy pictures of her?

Naam your slipping ... [stupid rant by (f)lying deleted ]

nah... it's Parisian ladies i am interested in. one of them located me some months ago (after 39 years through a mutual acquaintance) and sent a few pictures. merde alors! at age 63 she looks as appetising as she looked when she was 24

What a coincidence. We located each other via Facebook after 20 years and she's still looking great. Must be all that wine and cheese.

Naam your slipping ... I thought for sure you would ask for a picture of the 1 summer course implied degree

No degree implied. But I would be interested in your b.s. account of attending OCS or OTS. To be fair, you never said that you finished. Too bad "don't ask, don't tell" was after your time.

Naam your slipping ... I thought for sure you would ask for a picture of the 1 summer course implied degree

No degree implied. But I would be interested in your b.s. account of attending OCS or OTS. To be fair, you never said that you finished. Too bad "don't ask, don't tell" was after your time.

is that the best you got? Who was it last time? When someone said pencil case drawn?

Your consistent I will give you that.

Naam your slipping ... I thought for sure you would ask for a picture of the 1 summer course implied degree

No degree implied. But I would be interested in your b.s. account of attending OCS or OTS. To be fair, you never said that you finished. Too bad "don't ask, don't tell" was after your time.

neither, nor because no kindergarten cum playground for little boys like these exist in Germany. but the Nazis ran a few when i was still a "sucker"

Naam your slipping ... I thought for sure you would ask for a picture of the 1 summer course implied degree

No degree implied. But I would be interested in your b.s. account of attending OCS or OTS. To be fair, you never said that you finished. Too bad "don't ask, don't tell" was after your time.

neither, nor because no kindergarten cum playground for little boys like these exist in Germany. but the Nazis ran a few when i was still a "sucker"

Actually Herr Naam I think? he was referring to me. But then with this one you never know.

Your right though & it was not the best years of my life. But it/OCS was a given as I graduated from a military school.

Fortunately I came to my senses

Your right though & it was not the best years of my life. But it/OCS was a given as I graduated from a military school.

Fortunately I came to my senses

It would seem the Military made the same sensible decision.

Edit in: Misspelled a word

Your right though & it was not the best years of my life. But it/OCS was a given as I graduated from a military school.

Fortunately I came to my senses

It would seem the Military made the same sensible decision.

Edit in: Misspelled a word

I have to agree with you on that Chuck 100%

But you know they lost a great shot

Not that I would agree with what they would ask me to shoot

Naam your slipping ... I thought for sure you would ask for a picture of the 1 summer course implied degree

No degree implied. But I would be interested in your b.s. account of attending OCS or OTS. To be fair, you never said that you finished. Too bad "don't ask, don't tell" was after your time.

neither, nor because no kindergarten cum playground for little boys like these exist in Germany. but the Nazis ran a few when i was still a "sucker"

flying is actually right about something for a change. I was referring to his earlier claim of attending OCS.

Just curious though, what does "OCS" stand for back in Germany?

I removed one flame. Just because this is Bedlam, it doesn't mean that we are not watching. Please keep it civil, thanks.