flying is actually right about something for a change. I was referring to his earlier claim of attending OCS.

Just curious though, what does "OCS" stand for back in Germany?

sorry... my mistake! i thought you addressed me. i know that in the Greatest Nation on Earth™ it means "Officer Candidate School". i visited Fort Benning but did not meet Flying (i swear all holy oaths ). but as mentioned no such institutions exist(ed) inpost-war Germany.

Your right though & it was not the best years of my life. But it/OCS was a given as I graduated from a military school.

Fortunately I came to my senses

It would seem the Military made the same sensible decision.

good to see that Chuck possesses humour!

Was there some question asked such as "Can you name ONE good thing America for the world?"? Of course. After Hamburg-Tokyo-Hiroshima-Nagasaki, we rebuilt parts of Germany and Japan while forbidding them nuclear weapons. After killing countless Asians in SEA, we allowed some to come to USA. After illegally invading Afghanistan and Iraq, we rebuilt some schools and hospitals we destroyed. Mussolini made the trains run on time. Genghis Khan loved his mother. Charlie Manson had a pet he fed...

Very good. Mussolini made the trains run on time etc.

Don't forget the cocaine trafficking with the Contras so as to assist the overthrow of the Nicaraguan government.

I'm sure those 100's of kilos made alot of people happy. :S

Was there some question asked such as "Can you name ONE good thing America [did] for the world?"?

Don't been absurd, the U.S. Government has helped out in all kinds of disasters during the last century and American charities have helped all over the world. Lots of America's accomplishments - like reaching the moon - have benefited the whole world. The list is endless really.

By the way, isn't this supposed to be a thread for unfairly bashing Israel, rather than the U.S.?

What America has accomplished? Let's see -

Just to start with:

1. Development of medicines, curing polio, etc.

2. The space program, America expanded the world's understanding of the universe and had practical benefits such as GPS navigation systems.

3. Removed Saddam Husein from Kuwait.

4. During the Cold war, America provided a counter balance to the Soviet Union. It was to a large degree that the foreign policy decisions of the US and the UK caused the collapse of communism in the USSR.

Plus, providing opportunities to individuals to be the best that they can be regardless of their race, heritage, religious conviction, scholastic achievement. America not only instills freedom, but exemplifies how to live free.

I would suggest that these accomplishments are somewhat superior to examples cited, such as "Mussolini made the trains run on time. Genghis Khan loved his mother. Charlie Manson had a pet he fed."

What America has accomplished? Let's see -

Just to start with:

1. Development of medicines, curing polio, etc.

2. The space program, America expanded the world's understanding of the universe and had practical benefits such as GPS navigation systems.

3. Removed Saddam Husein from Kuwait.

4. During the Cold war, America provided a counter balance to the Soviet Union. It was to a large degree that the foreign policy decisions of the US and the UK caused the collapse of communism in the USSR.

Plus, providing opportunities to individuals to be the best that they can be regardless of their race, heritage, religious conviction, scholastic achievement. America not only instills freedom, but exemplifies how to live free.

I would suggest that these accomplishments are somewhat superior to examples cited, such as "Mussolini made the trains run on time. Genghis Khan loved his mother. Charlie Manson had a pet he fed."

I'm not sure if you missed the point...doing good does not mitigate doing evil. Doing good does not give licence to do evil "to balance it out".

I think any honest anti-American with an ounce of education knows full well that America has done alot.

.........By the way, isn't this supposed to be a thread for unfairly bashing Israel, rather than the U.S.?

Unfairly bashing Israel? If facts are cited, then it is not "unfair": it is truth.

I think that America-bashing will come into it because America condones whatever Israel does, and America has the power to stop Israel if America so wished.

What America has accomplished? Let's see -

Just to start with:

1. Development of medicines, curing polio, etc.

2. The space program, America expanded the world's understanding of the universe and had practical benefits such as GPS navigation systems.

3. Removed Saddam Husein from Kuwait.

4. During the Cold war, America provided a counter balance to the Soviet Union. It was to a large degree that the foreign policy decisions of the US and the UK caused the collapse of communism in the USSR.

Plus, providing opportunities to individuals to be the best that they can be regardless of their race, heritage, religious conviction, scholastic achievement. America not only instills freedom, but exemplifies how to live free.

I would suggest that these accomplishments are somewhat superior to examples cited, such as "Mussolini made the trains run on time. Genghis Khan loved his mother. Charlie Manson had a pet he fed."

I'm not sure if you missed the point...doing good does not mitigate doing evil. Doing good does not give licence to do evil "to balance it out".

I think any honest anti-American with an ounce of education knows full well that America has done alot.

You are correct about one thing. Any "honest anti-American" has about an ounce of education - perhaps. America has made mistakes, as have all nations. But to refer to it as having done evil is simply moronic. I wouldn't refer to Germany as an evil nation even though it's history of promoting an Austrian by the name of Adolph lead to the genocide of 12,000,000 + people. Now evil to me = harboring and/or promoting the Taliban. That's evil.

Unfairly bashing Israel? If facts are cited, then it is not "unfair": it is truth.

Some facts would be refreshing for a change.

Mussolini made the trains run on time.

Myth busted.

http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.asp

"The myth of Mussolini's punctual trains lives on, albeit with a different slant: rather than serving as a fictitious symbol of the benefits of fascism, it is now offered as a sardonic example that something good can result even from the worst of circumstances. As Montagu and Darling wrote:

Mussolini may have done many brutal and tyrannical things; he may have destroyed human freedom in Italy; he may have murdered and tortured citizens whose only crime was to oppose Mussolini; but 'one had to admit' one thing about the Dictator: he 'made the trains run on time.'

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I think any honest anti-American with an ounce of education knows full well that America has done alot.

There are honest ones out there?

.........By the way, isn't this supposed to be a thread for unfairly bashing Israel, rather than the U.S.?

Unfairly bashing Israel? If facts are cited, then it is not "unfair": it is truth.

"Facts" are funny things. Don't you mean in your opinion?

I never noticed you addressing my allegations that the state of Israel was founded on terrorism and the murder of British servicemen.

The Hotel David was the site of the Headquarters of the British Forces in Palestine and the British were in the midst of stabbing the Jews in the back politically - once again - when it was bombed. British officials were warned by a phone call, but they refused to leave the hotel as they "did not take orders from Jews".

The Hotel David was a military target and they were warned in advance. Most of the "terrorism" the Israelis are accused of is of this nature.

If you want to call this "terrorism", you might be able to get away with it, but it is not like purposely going around targeting innocent men, women and children for no reason at all - as their enemies have often done.

the average Israeli as well as the average Falastini wants nothing but to live in peace, prosper and hope for a future for his/her children. but the fàcking minority bastards on both sides won't let that happen.

This is the whole problem. It is true that most Israelis want peace, but virtually every Palestinian wants to drive Israel in the sea and that is that. All of the peace talks stuff is nothing but stalling for time. Afafat never stopped calling for this in the Palestinian language while he lied about it in English. He was quite open about destroying Israel, in his own language.

The Palestinians know it and so do most Israeli Jews.

THAT is why the Israelis are so hardcore - they have no choice - and if they weren't they would be very, very dead.

the average Israeli as well as the average Falastini wants nothing but to live in peace, prosper and hope for a future for his/her children. but the fàcking minority bastards on both sides won't let that happen.

This is the whole problem. It is true that most Israelis want peace, but virtually every Palestinian wants to drive Israel in the sea and that is that. All of the peace talks stuff is nothing but stalling for time. Afafat never stopped calling for this in the Palestinian language while he lied about it in English. He was quite open about destroying Israel, in his own language.

The Palestinians know it and so do most Israeli Jews.

THAT is why the Israelis are so hardcore - they have no choice - and if they weren't they would be very, very dead.

Arafat said what he was payed to say. For that he was payed very well. While it's true there has been enmity created between the "average" Palestinian and the "average" Israeli, most of the hate and call for violent action remains at the extreme margins of both societies. Truth be told, they are two societies more dependant on each other than anything else.

the average Israeli as well as the average Falastini wants nothing but to live in peace, prosper and hope for a future for his/her children. but the fàcking minority bastards on both sides won't let that happen.

This is the whole problem. It is true that most Israelis want peace, but virtually every Palestinian wants to drive Israel in the sea and that is that. All of the peace talks stuff is nothing but stalling for time. Afafat never stopped calling for this in the Palestinian language while he lied about it in English. He was quite open about destroying Israel, in his own language.

The Palestinians know it and so do most Israeli Jews. THAT is why the Israelis are so hardcore - they have no choice - and if they weren't they would be very, very dead.

you spoke to "virtually every Palestinian" and asked for his/her opinion or do you just refer to a FAUX News poll conducted by O'Reilly et al?

What America has accomplished? Let's see -

Just to start with:

1. Development of medicines, curing polio, etc.

2. The space program, America expanded the world's understanding of the universe and had practical benefits such as GPS navigation systems.

3. Removed Saddam Husein from Kuwait.

4. During the Cold war, America provided a counter balance to the Soviet Union. It was to a large degree that the foreign policy decisions of the US and the UK caused the collapse of communism in the USSR.

Plus, providing opportunities to individuals to be the best that they can be regardless of their race, heritage, religious conviction, scholastic achievement. America not only instills freedom, but exemplifies how to live free.

I would suggest that these accomplishments are somewhat superior to examples cited, such as "Mussolini made the trains run on time. Genghis Khan loved his mother. Charlie Manson had a pet he fed."

more evidence that simpletons have big problems to understand irony

Speaking of simpletons, isn't it about time to mention all of your degrees once again? If one just reads what you have to say on most subjects they could easily forget how "clever" you are.

What America has accomplished? Let's see -

Just to start with:

1. Development of medicines, curing polio, etc.

2. The space program, America expanded the world's understanding of the universe and had practical benefits such as GPS navigation systems.

3. Removed Saddam Husein from Kuwait.

4. During the Cold war, America provided a counter balance to the Soviet Union. It was to a large degree that the foreign policy decisions of the US and the UK caused the collapse of communism in the USSR.

Plus, providing opportunities to individuals to be the best that they can be regardless of their race, heritage, religious conviction, scholastic achievement. America not only instills freedom, but exemplifies how to live free.

I would suggest that these accomplishments are somewhat superior to examples cited, such as "Mussolini made the trains run on time. Genghis Khan loved his mother. Charlie Manson had a pet he fed."

more evidence that simpletons have big problems to understand irony

"Big problems to understand Irony"? English isn't your native language is it?

.........By the way, isn't this supposed to be a thread for unfairly bashing Israel, rather than the U.S.?

Unfairly bashing Israel? If facts are cited, then it is not "unfair": it is truth.

"Facts" are funny things. Don't you mean in your opinion?

No, I mean FACTS.

I guess that you better present some.

What America has accomplished? Let's see -

Just to start with:

1. Development of medicines, curing polio, etc.

2. The space program, America expanded the world's understanding of the universe and had practical benefits such as GPS navigation systems.

3. Removed Saddam Husein from Kuwait.

4. During the Cold war, America provided a counter balance to the Soviet Union. It was to a large degree that the foreign policy decisions of the US and the UK caused the collapse of communism in the USSR.

Plus, providing opportunities to individuals to be the best that they can be regardless of their race, heritage, religious conviction, scholastic achievement. America not only instills freedom, but exemplifies how to live free.

I would suggest that these accomplishments are somewhat superior to examples cited, such as "Mussolini made the trains run on time. Genghis Khan loved his mother. Charlie Manson had a pet he fed."

I'm not sure if you missed the point...doing good does not mitigate doing evil. Doing good does not give licence to do evil "to balance it out".

I think any honest anti-American with an ounce of education knows full well that America has done alot.

You are correct about one thing. Any "honest anti-American" has about an ounce of education - perhaps. America has made mistakes, as have all nations. But to refer to it as having done evil is simply moronic. I wouldn't refer to Germany as an evil nation even though it's history of promoting an Austrian by the name of Adolph lead to the genocide of 12,000,000 + people. Now evil to me = harboring and/or promoting the Taliban. That's evil.

So only uneducated or under-educated people are ant-American? Tut tut. Such a typically American egocentric view of the world. I think....no I'm certain, that you are wrong on that.

So the only nations that are evil are the ones harbouring and or promoting the Taliban? Tut tut....but then, I can't say that you're wrong because what is "evil" is only a matter of opinion.

I guess that you better present some.

I suppose I should...but I'm having a lazy day....and besides, even you know full well the things Israel does that are illegal and atrocious...like the settlements, like restricitng/blocking aid to the people living in the cities they destroyed, like using white phosphorous, like killing civilians wholesale.... you know full well that Israel has done some nasty things and continues to do so.

This is not my opinion.

Some things are nasty, some things are necessary. They built the wall to stop Palestinians from blowing up civilians and it works, but the Palestinians and their supporters complain about it.

They are fighting with people who have been beaten over and over again in every war, who have no interest in peace and will sink to any crime to promote their cause, and they are well aware of it.

The Palestinians are their own worst enemies and have brought much of this on themselves. The Israelis are doing what they have to do to survive.

what is "evil" is only a matter of opinion.

Targeting innocent civilians to promote a political cause is about as evil as you can get.

what is "evil" is only a matter of opinion.

Targeting innocent civilians to promote a political cause is about as evil as you can get.

I don't disagree. It could be said that those that let loose nukes over Nagasaki and Hiroshima knew full well that the death toll would almost entirely be civilian. I would venture to say that those who ordered the shock and awe program on Baghdad knew full well that thousands of civilians would die. Remind me again why shock and awe on Baghdad was neccessary?

Come to that, remind me why Nagasaki was neccessary....was it a military city? Or a flat city nestled in a bowl of hills that would produce the most catstrophic result?

Wars are impossible to fight without civilian casulties, but purposely targeting them is a different matter. Besides, have you ever heard of Nanking? Anything bad that happened to the Japanese in World War II was pretty much just Instant Karma.

Again, isn't this thread supposed to be for bashing Israel?

I don't disagree. It could be said that those that let loose nukes over Nagasaki and Hiroshima knew full well that the death toll would almost entirely be civilian. I would venture to say that those who ordered the shock and awe program on Baghdad knew full well that thousands of civilians would die. Remind me again why shock and awe on Baghdad was neccessary?

Come to that, remind me why Nagasaki was neccessary....was it a military city? Or a flat city nestled in a bowl of hills that would produce the most catstrophic result?

Also the use of Napalm/ White phosphorus in Iraq after repeatedly claiming they didn't

I think they finally came clean with the facts in 2005 but the Napalm was used in 2003 if I remember right

Another funny coinky dink is the only other recent use I know of is Israel using WP in Lebanon 2006 & Gaza 2009

Some foul stuff

The US used chemical weapons in Iraq - and then lied about it

Caught in a Lie: US is Using White Phosphorus in Afghanistan as a Weapon

This thread is not about the U.S.

This thread is not about the U.S.

Kor Tort if you read all 5 pages you would see it is pretty wide open through out

The title of the thread is about Israel and I just don't see the point of the repeating the same old rhetoric about the U.S. over and over again. Yes, we all know that America isn't perfect.

Australia slaughtered the aborigines, England did everything wrong you can think of, and we don't need to get into Japan and Germany. There are no perfect nations and everyone knows it.