Looking to buy a used 4wd 4dr truck and need some unclouded advice. Budget 300,000 baht. Will be used as a pleasure vehicle with some light off-road use. Which would you go for? Why? Other ideas? Thks.

Looking at the the 2002-2004 Ford Ranger 2.5 TD.

Like: Looks, Interior (possibly leather), ABS, Dual Airbags

Dislike: Not Commonrail (poor fuel economy), Less Power

And the 2001-2002 Isuzu Dragon Power 3.0 TD.

Like: Looks, Commonrail engine (good fuel economy), More Power

Dislike: Dated interior, No ABS, No Airbags

no commonrail on this izu either. izu started commonrail late 2006

i would not be concerned about the fuel consumption on 2000 up engines without commonrail they all run inexpensive on fuel

to keep repair costs down i would look for a manual transmission as new as possible and with only one owner. brandname doesnt mean much, they are all ok on quality

Are you sure about that? This website show it as being direct injection (commonrail I think). http://www.carpages.co.uk/isuzu/isuzu_tf_p...rt_12_04_02.asp

no commonrail on this izu either. izu started commonrail late 2006

i would not be concerned about the fuel consumption on 2000 up engines without commonrail they all run inexpensive on fuel

to keep repair costs down i would look for a manual transmission as new as possible and with only one owner. brandname doesnt mean much, they are all ok on quality

The Isuzu is very noisy, because it's direct injection

I guess I am confused. So "direct injection" doesn't = commonrail? Is the Ford not direct injected? Thanks.

Are you sure about that? This website show it as being direct injection (commonrail I think). http://www.carpages.co.uk/isuzu/isuzu_tf_p...rt_12_04_02.asp

absolutely sure, direct injection is not commonrail, its mecanical.

Izu didnt want to spend money on commonrail before emmision requirements made them. most of the 2006 and some 2007 are still not commonrail

oldest commonrail pickup in LOS would be Tiger/sports cruiser/rider, I think thats 2002 up

but at 300k i would look more at age and condition, rather than focusing on how fuel is injected to engine.

commonrail before 2008/2009 run on B5 can be (expensively) damaged. o-rings, many valves/solenoids, pump etc

If your not worried about re sale value then the best value for money truck is a Ford/Mazda followed by Chev and Mitsu.

From a purely aesthetic point of view, the Ford looks much the fresher of these two. Would be my choice. That or a Mazda.

I like the look of the Ford too. If it gets 9 kilos to the litre, I guess it wouldn't be too bad if running B5 diesel at 26.39 a litre.

Are you sure about that? This website show it as being direct injection (commonrail I think). http://www.carpages.co.uk/isuzu/isuzu_tf_p...rt_12_04_02.asp

absolutely sure, direct injection is not commonrail, its mecanical.

Izu didnt want to spend money on commonrail before emmision requirements made them. most of the 2006 and some 2007 are still not commonrail

oldest commonrail pickup in LOS would be Tiger/sports cruiser/rider, I think thats 2002 up

but at 300k i would look more at age and condition, rather than focusing on how fuel is injected to engine.

commonrail before 2008/2009 run on B5 can be (expensively) damaged. o-rings, many valves/solenoids, pump etc

Why the Chevy colorado,which is actually an isuzu in disguise,has commonrail at least since 2005 already if Isuzu itself didn't have it yet?

Yearly registration probably means very little to most people but may be important to others. I may be a bit off on the figures, but I think my 2 door pickup is 900 baht per year and a 4 door that I had was 8,500 per year.

Isuzu began common rail engines in late 2004.

All of the i-teq engines are common rail as far as I'm aware. Before that they were called Di Turbo engines. I think the other significant change was the Di engine was 8 valve where as the newer i-teq is 16 valve.

Isuzu began common rail engines in late 2004.

All of the i-teq engines are common rail as far as I'm aware. Before that they were called Di Turbo engines. I think the other significant change was the Di engine was 8 valve where as the newer i-teq is 16 valve.

yepp, I remember wrong, chevy/izu began commonrail late 2004, 2 or 3 years after Toyota. But they where also selling the old 120hp non commonrail diesels until late 2007

I owned a Ranger which was good little truck. My issue was I had a manual Mazda Transmission. When it went out it was a lot more expensive for parts than the ford Tranny woud have been.

I also owned a Colorado.

Now I have toyota, Foruner but built on a Hilux frame so speaking of Hilux. I would go for the Hilux. My company 4x4 hilux have good ground clearance parts are readily avaialable and reasonbly priced. IMO toyota for small trucks is the best. I am sure opinions differ widely.

Regarding fuel economy why does anyone make a decision based on fuel economy. The difference you save over a year to own a vehicle that is not your first choice is minor.

BUT I like the look of the Ranger. That one you showed looks very nice.

I owned a Ranger which was good little truck. My issue was I had a manual Mazda Transmission. When it went out it was a lot more expensive for parts than the ford Tranny woud have been.

I also owned a Colorado.

Now I have toyota, Foruner but built on a Hilux frame so speaking of Hilux. I would go for the Hilux. My company 4x4 hilux have good ground clearance parts are readily avaialable and reasonbly priced. IMO toyota for small trucks is the best. I am sure opinions differ widely.

Regarding fuel economy why does anyone make a decision based on fuel economy. The difference you save over a year to own a vehicle that is not your first choice is minor.

BUT I like the look of the Ranger. That one you showed looks very nice.

Ford and Mazda have the same tranny, as they are the same trucks built on the same factory. Some minor differences in appearance and interior. but prices may differ bought from Ford or Mazda

Fortuner is not build on Hilux frame. Fortuner frame is 25 cm shorter wheelbase, shorter behind rear axel and is designed for rear coilsprings. Not rear leafsprings

I owned a Ranger which was good little truck. My issue was I had a manual Mazda Transmission. When it went out it was a lot more expensive for parts than the ford Tranny woud have been.

I also owned a Colorado.

Now I have toyota, Foruner but built on a Hilux frame so speaking of Hilux. I would go for the Hilux. My company 4x4 hilux have good ground clearance parts are readily avaialable and reasonbly priced. IMO toyota for small trucks is the best. I am sure opinions differ widely.

Regarding fuel economy why does anyone make a decision based on fuel economy. The difference you save over a year to own a vehicle that is not your first choice is minor.

BUT I like the look of the Ranger. That one you showed looks very nice.

4d 4wd Hilux Tigers are pretty much impossible to find in decent condition for 300,000 baht.

I spent quite a bit of time behind the wheel of a 2002 2 dr 4wd Tiger. Honestly, I thought it drove pretty poorly. Definitely felt like a truck.

4d 4wd Hilux Tigers are pretty much impossible to find in decent condition for 300,000 baht.

I spent quite a bit of time behind the wheel of a 2002 2 dr 4wd Tiger. Honestly, I thought it drove pretty poorly. Definitely felt like a truck.

I agree but i think of that age, they all do. Only in the last five years that the agricultural feeling these vehicles have has been toned down.

On the plus side though, they were strong - stronger than today's i would say.

4d 4wd Hilux Tigers are pretty much impossible to find in decent condition for 300,000 baht.

I spent quite a bit of time behind the wheel of a 2002 2 dr 4wd Tiger. Honestly, I thought it drove pretty poorly. Definitely felt like a truck.

I agree but i think of that age, they all do. Only in the last five years that the agricultural feeling these vehicles have has been toned down.

On the plus side though, they were strong - stronger than today's i would say.

yeah, the first decent drivers pickup was 2003 Izu Dmax, but hard to find at 300k. then Vigo came late 2004 and changed the picture totally, but hard to find at 500k.

yeah, the first decent drivers pickup was 2003 Izu Dmax, but hard to find at 300k.

Unless a single cab, i'd venture nay on impossible.

yeah, the first decent drivers pickup was 2003 Izu Dmax, but hard to find at 300k.

Unless a single cab, i'd venture nay on impossible.

yeap, OP wants 4 door 4x4. 300k thats mazda, ford, mitsu, or older toyota or izu

yeah, the first decent drivers pickup was 2003 Izu Dmax, but hard to find at 300k.

Unless a single cab, i'd venture nay on impossible.

I have a Mitsu 2.8 liter, 4 door automatic, but no 4x4, Tax is about 3'800 Baht, not so expensive as the truck is 2001.