This thread is about Shin Bet the domestic security agency which protects women & children from being blown up on buses, not Mossad. But the Mossad agents in this case are heroes all the same.

that murderers are heroes is an interesting theorie. what is your middle name Chuck? perhaps Moishe? Shalom? Dovidl? Avraham?

Why are you addressing this question to me?

sorry Chuck!

i rephrase "what is your middle name Koheesti? perhaps Moishe? Shalom? Dovidl? Avraham?"

the same question goes to the "General" who's father liked to eat "matzoh".

An early start on the Schnapps maybe?

just a teenie weenie little sip of old scotch and that only a few minutes ago perhaps i'll have another (slightly bigger) one and prepare for my afternoon nap

tomorrow i will check again what the residnet holy warriors/crusaders against Islam had to say and in what way they justify the israeli terrorism against the palestinian people

"Honor" killings of young girls and women certainly are!

that happened in old Europe too. but then christianity is several centuries older and honour killings were abolished. give the Muslims a few centuries too to reach that status.

the "holier than thou" attitude "they are the bad 'uns" in this thread is interesting. typical for those who suffer from inferiority complexes.

Where have the Muslims been for the last 'several centuries' that they are the only group that missed the advent of maturing wisdom? Certainly not all Muslims are terrorists (nor all Germans Nazies). But all terrorists appear to be Muslim. Why is that? Why are there no Jewish terrorists?

We know why there are no Nazie terrorists for they like to see the torture first hand rather than shoot down planes or fly them into buildings. Or perhaps the Nazies are not sophisticated enough. What do you think Naam? You seem to have some special knowledge about this topic.

There are indeed Jewish terrorists. Quite a current topic actually because the trial of 7 accused Isreali Arabs is underway. They are accused of lynching Jewish terrorist Natan Zada. The contoversy is that when Jews disarm and overcome an Arab terrorist (be he Isreali or Palestinian), they are hailed as heroes, but when an Arab overcomes a Jewish terrorist that has just shot 4 dead and wounded 22 more Isreali Arabs, he is accused of murder.

Natan Zada is reputed to have been a follower of Rabbi Meir Kahane, whose organisation was outlawed by Israeli authoities.....another entire group of Jewish terrorists.

It's interesting that the controversy created a change in the law. Previously, victims of terrorism's families were entitled to a monthly compensation payment....but the wording was something like "killed by enemies of the state". Even though Ariel Sharon and Shimon Perez both denounced Zada as a terrorist who killed Isreali citizens, the Arab bereaved were denied the compensation because Zada was not "an enemy of the state".

i rephrase "what is your middle name Koheesti? perhaps Moishe? Shalom? Dovidl? Avraham?"

the same question goes to the "General" who's father liked to eat "matzoh".

My middle name is Murphy and I am a Roman Catholic Herr Naam. Just what are you implying?

i rephrase "what is your middle name Koheesti? perhaps Moishe? Shalom? Dovidl? Avraham?"

the same question goes to the "General" who's father liked to eat "matzoh".

My middle name is Murphy and I am a Roman Catholic Herr Naam. Just what are you implying?

Clearly he was implying that you are Jewish. Although the Nazi regime ended when he was 15 months old, he still appears to be quite curious about whether one has Jewish heritage. Not knowing his age prior to my asking about his special knowledge (admittedly a poor choice of words - I should have said obsession) he symptomatically attributes Jewish names to posters with whom he disagrees. I have met a few Germans that 'Didn't know what was going on" during the exterminations that filled the air with smoke during the Nazi regime. They never seem to know, or sometimes, they were just too young. But then you run across those that still want to know if one is Jewish, especially if they don't happen to agree with the way that superior Aryan race believes one should think.

Defending Palestinian terrorists and murderers of young women and then implying that people that you disagree with are "Jews" certainly does smack of something.

i rephrase "what is your middle name Koheesti? perhaps Moishe? Shalom? Dovidl? Avraham?"

the same question goes to the "General" who's father liked to eat "matzoh".

My middle name is Murphy and I am a Roman Catholic Herr Naam. Just what are you implying?

Clearly he was implying that you are Jewish. Although the Nazi regime ended when he was 15 months old, he still appears to be quite curious about whether one has Jewish heritage. Not knowing his age prior to my asking about his special knowledge (admittedly a poor choice of words - I should have said obsession) he symptomatically attributes Jewish names to posters with whom he disagrees. I have met a few Germans that 'Didn't know what was going on" during the exterminations that filled the air with smoke during the Nazi regime. They never seem to know, or sometimes, they were just too young. But then you run across those that still want to know if one is Jewish, especially if they don't happen to agree with the way that superior Aryan race believes one should think.

Very emotive choice of words.

I would be suprised to find anyone who does not agree that the holocaust was an horrific tragedy, a sad indictment on humanity.

To digress slightly.....Why is "anti-semitic" a worse insult than "racist"? Why is it worse than, "anti-Christian" or "anti-Islam"? Why is "anti-semitic" a criminal offence in a few countries, yet "atheist" is not?

20 000 died in Bopal due to American company executives, (and thousands more alive and still suffering today)......but there is no prejudice towards Dupont. The American government protects those responsible by refusing to allow their extradition to India.....One could say that the natives of Bobal suffered an extirmination of a significant proportion of their population, yet the perpetrators are protected by the US.

There seems to me to be a moral paradox there.

So you are justifying the holocaust and claiming that anti-Semitism ain't really all that bad. THAT sounds like a "moral paradox" to me.

i rephrase "what is your middle name Koheesti? perhaps Moishe? Shalom? Dovidl? Avraham?"

the same question goes to the "General" who's father liked to eat "matzoh".

My middle name is Murphy and I am a Roman Catholic Herr Naam. Just what are you implying?

Clearly he was implying that you are Jewish. Although the Nazi regime ended when he was 15 months old, he still appears to be quite curious about whether one has Jewish heritage. Not knowing his age prior to my asking about his special knowledge (admittedly a poor choice of words - I should have said obsession) he symptomatically attributes Jewish names to posters with whom he disagrees. I have met a few Germans that 'Didn't know what was going on" during the exterminations that filled the air with smoke during the Nazi regime. They never seem to know, or sometimes, they were just too young. But then you run across those that still want to know if one is Jewish, especially if they don't happen to agree with the way that superior Aryan race believes one should think.

Very emotive choice of words.

I would be suprised to find anyone who does not agree that the holocaust was an horrific tragedy, a sad indictment on humanity.

To digress slightly.....Why is "anti-semitic" a worse insult than "racist"? Why is it worse than, "anti-Christian" or "anti-Islam"? Why is "anti-semitic" a criminal offence in a few countries, yet "atheist" is not?

20 000 died in Bopal due to American company executives, (and thousands more alive and still suffering today)......but there is no prejudice towards Dupont. The American government protects those responsible by refusing to allow their extradition to India.....One could say that the natives of Bobal suffered an extirmination of a significant proportion of their population, yet the perpetrators are protected by the US.

There seems to me to be a moral paradox there.

"I would be suprised to find anyone who does not agree that the holocaust was an horrific tragedy, a sad indictment on humanity."

You are not really serious are you? There are plenty out there that either deny the holocaust occurred, or proclaim that it was a great historical event. Good for you that you have avoided meeting such lowlifes.

Anti-Semitic, anti-Christian or anti-Islam, as will as any racist statement, are all equally offensive. Why make comparisons?

Anti-Semitic vs. atheist? Denying the existence of God is not a hate crime. Again, why are you drawing comparisons (although in this case there is no comparison)?

American company executives murdered 20,000 in Bopal? Could you please provide data to support your contention?

How would it be possible to form a prejudice against a company? I guess you could hate, for instance, all American companies because they are American, or all British companies because they are British. It makes just as much sense doesn't it? Who exactly are the perpetrators that America is protecting? I'm an American, so are you saying that I am protecting exterminators?

So you are justifying the holocaust and claiming that anti-Semitism ain't really all that bad. THAT sounds like a "moral paradox" to me.

Take off your shit-coloured glasses. It's plainly a very very dark-shit hued tint.

Where...where! Where did I come close to "justifying" the holocaust?????

koheesti was absolutely right about you.

"I would be suprised to find anyone who does not agree that the holocaust was an horrific tragedy, a sad indictment on humanity."

You are not really serious are you? There are plenty out there that either deny the holocaust occurred, or proclaim that it was a great historical event. Good for you that you have avoided meeting such lowlifes.

Anti-Semitic, anti-Christian or anti-Islam, as will as any racist statement, are all equally offensive. Why make comparisons?

Anti-Semitic vs. atheist? Denying the existence of God is not a hate crime. Again, why are you drawing comparisons (although in this case there is no comparison)?

American company executives murdered 20,000 in Bopal? Could you please provide data to support your contention?

How would it be possible to form a prejudice against a company? I guess you could hate, for instance, all American companies because they are American, or all British companies because they are British. It makes just as much sense doesn't it? Who exactly are the perpetrators that America is protecting? I'm an American, so are you saying that I am protecting exterminators?

Apparently you're a lawyer......You make some very spurious arguments.......lets not get into the American law-court way of things. It doesn't count here, I would think. We should just deal with facts, not emotive words.

Google "Bopal" and select your own references. Infer your own opinions on the information.

In other words, he is right.

"I would be suprised to find anyone who does not agree that the holocaust was an horrific tragedy, a sad indictment on humanity."

You are not really serious are you? There are plenty out there that either deny the holocaust occurred, or proclaim that it was a great historical event. Good for you that you have avoided meeting such lowlifes.

Anti-Semitic, anti-Christian or anti-Islam, as will as any racist statement, are all equally offensive. Why make comparisons?

Anti-Semitic vs. atheist? Denying the existence of God is not a hate crime. Again, why are you drawing comparisons (although in this case there is no comparison)?

American company executives murdered 20,000 in Bopal? Could you please provide data to support your contention?

How would it be possible to form a prejudice against a company? I guess you could hate, for instance, all American companies because they are American, or all British companies because they are British. It makes just as much sense doesn't it? Who exactly are the perpetrators that America is protecting? I'm an American, so are you saying that I am protecting exterminators?

Apparently you're a lawyer......You make some very spurious arguments.......lets not get into the American law-court way of things. It doesn't count here, I would think. We should just deal with facts, not emotive words.

Google "Bopal" and select your own references. Infer your own opinions on the information.

I brought up your comparisons and established that they didn't make sense. Your response is that I am a lawyer followed by I (as with lawyers in general) make spurious arguments. But you fail to support your statement. Basically you just insult, which often occurs when one is unable to respond.

I am not inclined to research via google your contentions.

I am sorry, but this fellow has proved that when he is faced with his own words, he will just deny their meaning and then moan about how honest and forthright he is. I'm not wasting any more time fighting about nothing. It is not worth getting thrown off Thai Visa for bickering. I am just going too ignore him from now on.

I am sorry, but this fellow has proved that when he is faced with his own words, he will just deny their meaning and then moan about how honest and forthright he is. I'm not wasting any more time fighting about nothing. It is not worth getting thrown off Thai Visa for bickering. I am just going too ignore him from now on.

I couldn't agree more.

This thread is about Shin Bet the domestic security agency which protects women & children from being blown up on buses, not Mossad. But the Mossad agents in this case are heroes all the same.

that murderers are heroes is an interesting theorie. what is your middle name Chuck? perhaps Moishe? Shalom? Dovidl? Avraham?

"Murderers"? If someone had been able to murder Hitler I'd consider them a hero as well. Maybe I wouldn't if my middle name where something like Walter, Helmut, Klaus, Hans or Dieter.

"Honor" killings of young girls and women certainly are!

that happened in old Europe too. but then christianity is several centuries older and honour killings were abolished. give the Muslims a few centuries too to reach that status.

Are you saying Muslims aren't as evolved as Christians?

An early start on the Schnapps maybe?

just a teenie weenie little sip of old scotch and that only a few minutes ago perhaps i'll have another (slightly bigger) one and prepare for my afternoon nap

tomorrow i will check again what the residnet holy warriors/crusaders against Islam had to say and in what way they justify the israeli terrorism against the palestinian people

Just another sign that you don't give a crap about the Palestinian people. Hamas terrorism is causing the Palestinians more suffering than Israel but that's OK because they aren't Jewish. Hamas has Gaza - now do something good for the Palestinian people there instead of launching rockets at the Israeli civilians across the border.

20 000 died in Bopal due to American company executives, (and thousands more alive and still suffering today)......but there is no prejudice towards Dupont. The American government protects those responsible by refusing to allow their extradition to India.....One could say that the natives of Bobal suffered an extirmination of a significant proportion of their population, yet the perpetrators are protected by the US.

I thought it was Union Carbide.

And 20,000 is a helluva lot of people but it isn't a significant part of nearly 1 billion (back then).

20 000 died in Bopal due to American company executives, (and thousands more alive and still suffering today)......but there is no prejudice towards Dupont. The American government protects those responsible by refusing to allow their extradition to India.....One could say that the natives of Bobal suffered an extirmination of a significant proportion of their population, yet the perpetrators are protected by the US.

I thought it was Union Carbide.

And 20,000 is a helluva lot of people but it isn't a significant part of nearly 1 billion (back then).

My mistake...Union Carbide.

So it comes down to numbers? More jews died so every other group that has been tragically killed are not worthy of the same protections?

I am sorry, but this fellow has proved that when he is faced with his own words, he will just deny their meaning and then moan about how honest and forthright he is. I'm not wasting any more time fighting about nothing. It is not worth getting thrown off Thai Visa for bickering. I am just going too ignore him from now on.

Suit yourself. You got the wrong end of the stick and did not have the good grace to admit it...go off in a huff. I don't care.

It will be a pleasant relief not to have to respond to your shit-coloured views.

[Clearly he was implying that you are Jewish. Although the Nazi regime ended when he was 15 months old, he still appears to be quite curious about whether one has Jewish heritage. Not knowing his age prior to my asking about his special knowledge (admittedly a poor choice of words - I should have said obsession) he symptomatically attributes Jewish names to posters with whom he disagrees. I have met a few Germans that 'Didn't know what was going on" during the exterminations that filled the air with smoke during the Nazi regime. They never seem to know, or sometimes, they were just too young. But then you run across those that still want to know if one is Jewish, especially if they don't happen to agree with the way that superior Aryan race believes one should think.

Very emotive choice of words.

I would be suprised to find anyone who does not agree that the holocaust was an horrific tragedy, a sad indictment on humanity.

To digress slightly.....Why is "anti-semitic" a worse insult than "racist"? Why is it worse than, "anti-Christian" or "anti-Islam"? Why is "anti-semitic" a criminal offence in a few countries, yet "atheist" is not?

20 000 died in Bopal due to American company executives, (and thousands more alive and still suffering today)......but there is no prejudice towards Dupont. The American government protects those responsible by refusing to allow their extradition to India.....One could say that the natives of Bobal suffered an extirmination of a significant proportion of their population, yet the perpetrators are protected by the US.

There seems to me to be a moral paradox there.

"I would be suprised to find anyone who does not agree that the holocaust was an horrific tragedy, a sad indictment on humanity."

You are not really serious are you? There are plenty out there that either deny the holocaust occurred, or proclaim that it was a great historical event. Good for you that you have avoided meeting such lowlifes.

Anti-Semitic, anti-Christian or anti-Islam, as will as any racist statement, are all equally offensive. Why make comparisons?

Anti-Semitic vs. atheist? Denying the existence of God is not a hate crime. Again, why are you drawing comparisons (although in this case there is no comparison)?

American company executives murdered 20,000 in Bopal? Could you please provide data to support your contention?

How would it be possible to form a prejudice against a company? I guess you could hate, for instance, all American companies because they are American, or all British companies because they are British. It makes just as much sense doesn't it? Who exactly are the perpetrators that America is protecting? I'm an American, so are you saying that I am protecting exterminators?

Ok, "atheist" was a poor choice. My point is that anti-semitism is a crime, yet other bigotries are not, or at least not as heinous a crime.

The point is not about forming a prejudice against a company....it is that even though the company (Union Carbide I have been corrected) negligently caused these deaths, the people responsible are protected from justice by the American government.

"I would be suprised to find anyone who does not agree that the holocaust was an horrific tragedy, a sad indictment on humanity."

You are not really serious are you? There are plenty out there that either deny the holocaust occurred, or proclaim that it was a great historical event. Good for you that you have avoided meeting such lowlifes.

Anti-Semitic, anti-Christian or anti-Islam, as will as any racist statement, are all equally offensive. Why make comparisons?

Anti-Semitic vs. atheist? Denying the existence of God is not a hate crime. Again, why are you drawing comparisons (although in this case there is no comparison)?

American company executives murdered 20,000 in Bopal? Could you please provide data to support your contention?

How would it be possible to form a prejudice against a company? I guess you could hate, for instance, all American companies because they are American, or all British companies because they are British. It makes just as much sense doesn't it? Who exactly are the perpetrators that America is protecting? I'm an American, so are you saying that I am protecting exterminators?

Apparently you're a lawyer......You make some very spurious arguments.......lets not get into the American law-court way of things. It doesn't count here, I would think. We should just deal with facts, not emotive words.

Google "Bopal" and select your own references. Infer your own opinions on the information.

I brought up your comparisons and established that they didn't make sense. Your response is that I am a lawyer followed by I (as with lawyers in general) make spurious arguments. But you fail to support your statement. Basically you just insult, which often occurs when one is unable to respond.

I am not inclined to research via google your contentions.

Where's the insult?

You wanted data regarding Bobal...I suggested you google it yourself so as to read whatever angle you want and make your own decision. The chances are that whatever I quote to you, someone will try to discredit it with the allegation of it being an "extreme left" source. Googling is easy. That is not researching my contentions, that is finding the information that you wanted.

"Honor" killings of young girls and women certainly are!

that happened in old Europe too. but then christianity is several centuries older and honour killings were abolished. give the Muslims a few centuries too to reach that status.

Are you saying Muslims aren't as evolved as Christians?

of course they are not as evolved. name any muslim state that -before they oil/commodity boom- was not dirt poor and who's population was not 99% illiterate. except for the states on the arabian peninsula south of Syria (Yemen being an exception) the present states' majority population is still dirt poor or just plain poor and, most important, uneducated without access to unbiased media (e.g. Thaivisa ) . this applies especially to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangla Desh, Sudan and all "Sahel Belt" states.

the Christians in Europe were till the 17th-18th century completely uneducated and victims of what the bloody priesthood with threats of devil and hel_l taught as well as the orders of their rulers. a similar situation exists today in the states i mentioned except that the threats and misinformation is handed out in Mosques and not churches; not to forget -amongst others-the ultra-orthodox Wahhabi rulers in Riyadh.

Thieves, rapists and murderers are prosecuted, jailed and sometimes put to death despite their lack of education or deprived youth.

Terror criminals, who will not compromise, renounce violence or act in a civilized manner can expect the same kind of justice no matter how screwed up their culture or how bad their backgrounds are.

"I would be suprised to find anyone who does not agree that the holocaust was an horrific tragedy, a sad indictment on humanity."

You are not really serious are you? There are plenty out there that either deny the holocaust occurred, or proclaim that it was a great historical event. Good for you that you have avoided meeting such lowlifes.

Anti-Semitic, anti-Christian or anti-Islam, as will as any racist statement, are all equally offensive. Why make comparisons?

Anti-Semitic vs. atheist? Denying the existence of God is not a hate crime. Again, why are you drawing comparisons (although in this case there is no comparison)?

American company executives murdered 20,000 in Bopal? Could you please provide data to support your contention?

How would it be possible to form a prejudice against a company? I guess you could hate, for instance, all American companies because they are American, or all British companies because they are British. It makes just as much sense doesn't it? Who exactly are the perpetrators that America is protecting? I'm an American, so are you saying that I am protecting exterminators?

Apparently you're a lawyer......You make some very spurious arguments.......lets not get into the American law-court way of things. It doesn't count here, I would think. We should just deal with facts, not emotive words.

Google "Bopal" and select your own references. Infer your own opinions on the information.

I brought up your comparisons and established that they didn't make sense. Your response is that I am a lawyer followed by I (as with lawyers in general) make spurious arguments. But you fail to support your statement. Basically you just insult, which often occurs when one is unable to respond.

I am not inclined to research via google your contentions.

Where's the insult?

You wanted data regarding Bobal...I suggested you google it yourself so as to read whatever angle you want and make your own decision. The chances are that whatever I quote to you, someone will try to discredit it with the allegation of it being an "extreme left" source. Googling is easy. That is not researching my contentions, that is finding the information that you wanted.

spurious [ˈspjʊərɪəs]

adj

1. not genuine or real

2. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Botany) (of a plant part or organ) having the appearance of another part but differing from it in origin, development, or function; false a spurious fruit

3. (Electronics & Computer Science / Telecommunications) (of radiation) produced at an undesired frequency by a transmitter, causing interference, etc.

4. Rare illegitimate

[from Latin spurius of illegitimate birth]

spuriously adv

spuriousness n

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged 6th Edition 2003. © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

Did I really have to point this out to you?

Regarding my researching your contentions, it is customary when one makes a claim that supportive data is provided. You made a claim (which turned out to be false, i.e. spurious) following your statement "Apparently you're a lawyer......You make some very spurious arguments." Ironic isn't it? BTW, if you wish for me to explain irony to you, well - you know about Google so figure it out for yourself.

All true, but now he will respond with a bunch of untruths, half-truths and illogical nonsense - using words that he does not understand - and he will absolutely positive that he really showed you.

Pearls before swine, I am afraid.

Venturalaw, my claim that you made spurious arguments was not an insult. I can not see how that is insulting. Shall I dredge up the dictionary definition of "insult"? But if you are genuinely insulted by it, then sorry, it was not my intention to insult you. Somehow, I suspect that you were not genuinely insulted but chose to pounce upon it as a way of creating some belligerance with me as the original perpetrator.

Heaven knows why.

Your spurious argument was "....Anti-Semitic, anti-Christian or anti-Islam, as will as any racist statement, are all equally offensive...." because anti-semitism is generally seen throughout the West as much worse. This is common knowledge.

Also your claim that there are "plenty" of holocaust deniers. Not in my part of the world.

But mainly it was your last paragraph which did not actuall address my point.

No you didn't have to define "spurious" to me, nor will you need to define "irony", as I suspect you well know but are just trying to make a dig. I don't know why.

Another thing I'll point out to you: I refuted your claim that there are no Jewish terrorists. A gentleman or a real man, would have conceded that he hade been mistaken. It seems to be a symptom of the right-wingers that they never admit their own folly or mistakes.

All true, but now he will respond with a bunch of untruths, half-truths and illogical nonsense - using words that he does not understand - and he will absolutely positive that he really showed you.

Pearls before swine, I am afraid.

Has chuckd taken over UG's membership?

You're certainly sounding like him now.

You got the wrong end of the stick and won't admit it.

Fine. Just ignore me.....but if you are going to ignore me, have the decency not to refer to me either. That is cowardly....to make jibes but not be available for responses.