Thai Govt, PM Abhisit Not Looking At The Big Picture

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BURNING ISSUE

Govt, PM not looking at the big picture

Published on April 29, 2010

BANGKOK: -- The fact that the red-shirted protest is being labelled by the government as an anti-monarchy movement is an indicator that the ruling Democrat Party and Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva merely want to play a political game to disperse the protesters.

They are not, however, looking at the whole picture with a view to solving the country's crisis.

The government is consistently campaigning on the monarchy issue against the anti-government group, and has urged coalition parties as well as provincial governors to help spread the word across the country.

Abhisit is under pressure from all directions to take tougher action to end the red-shirts' protest in the capital, a protest which has gone on since March 12 to the drastic detriment of the economy as well as people's lives.

The internal pressure within the Democrats is no less than that being faced from outside the party. Chen Thaugsuban, a brother of Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban, said in a party meeting this week that people in his constituency in Surat Thani province were urging Abhisit to do something concrete, otherwise he should step down and allow someone else to do the job.

Politicians in the Democrat Party are not, however, looking at the big picture and just want the prime minister to get rid of the red-shirt protesters. The party rejected a proposal from coalition partners Bhum Jai Thai and Chart Thai Pattana to amend the Constitution to adjust the electoral system. The Democrats benefit from the current system and resist any idea for changing it.

Democrat MPs and key members of the party want the premier to take a hard-line stance to maintain order in the country. They blame Abhisit for paying less attention to the party line than associating only with the "ice-cream gang" of Sirichok Sopha, Satit Wongnongtaey and Korn Chatikavanij. "If Abhisit cannot handle the situation, the party will lose in the next election," a party member said.

However, many Democrat members are not taking a realistic stance and have acted selfishly for the party's benefit and have never given others a chance. They rejected the proposal to amend the Constitution and threw away an offer to resume political talks with the red shirts. They understand that the government has the upper hand and expects to win the struggle against the protesters simply through the use of tear gas and guns.

Despite associating only with the ice-cream gang, Abhisit is no different from other members of the party. He is treating the situation as a game that he will likely eventually win. He endorsed the release early this week by the Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation of the anti-monarchy network's plans, in order to smear many people - including academics with no connection to the red shirts. The tactic is aimed at painting the red-shirt group as a national security threat, rather than a normal political movement.

The government will not negotiate with them and says it can use force to get rid of the threat to the monarchy and national security. "The situation has gone far beyond negotiation," Abhisit said.

His thinking is no different from what other members of his party want. He has in mind a plan to use force to end the game, but has no plan to solve the broader problems facing the country. By doing so, the government might be able to remove the red shirts from the business and tourist centre of Rajprasong, but it will not put a permanent end to the movement.

The government cannot anticipate how big the red-shirt movement is, or how big it will grow. As long as the red shirts' problems remain and their demands are not met, the movement will be reborn and come back to challenge the government again in no time at all.

-- The Nation 2010-04-29

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[geovalin]

Even the Pravda writes it: The government cannot anticipate how big the red-shirt movement is, or how big it will grow. As long as the red shirts' problems remain and their demands are not met, the movement will be reborn and come back to challenge the government again in no time at all.

Unfortunately the Democrats are not wise enough to understand.

My guess is that Abisith does not want any elections at all. He'll always find a good reason to postpone. Burmese style.

[Jerrytheyoung]

It confirms several points;

1- Abhisit is a Partisan leader not a stateman able to overpass his party for the safe of the Nation.

2- How stubborn and selfish most of the Thai Politicians are.

3- Unfortunately, we are heading to a major conflict which can be out of hand

4- IMHO, it is paradoxical, because I am fundamentally for democracy and against a coup-, but in those circumstances Anupong has shown restraints and -it is my feeling- he appreciates the situation far better than the Government. He should take over and named Anand for a transition period, organising elections after setting up fair rules.

[zorm999]

It is great to see a less sensationalist article from the Nation. Even though Abhisit has said that the overall problem cannot be solved by merely dispersing the red shirts, he hasn't been seen to do a lot in trying to solve the bigger problem. As the article points out, he is no doubt under a lot of pressure from his party to solve the immediate problem so that the Democrats look good and appear in control.

What this article fails to mention however is that as much as Abhisit is not addressing the overall problem, the red shirt leaders are certainly not doing their part to work towards a solution either. Their stubbornness and deliberate short-term focus on forcing an immediate election indicates they don't want a solution to the problem of a divided Thailand, they just want power back in their own hands.

Until BOTH sides start to accept each other and are prepared to work for the good of the country without complete selfishness, there will be no long-term solution.

[eggomaniac]

If prognosticators, like myself and a few others, [as a matter of published record], were forecasting the size, strength and resolve of the red movement and months ago warning of the coming tide it would be a good idea to listen to them now. The ones who were laughing off these 'warnings', as a matter of no published results, now, say they knew it all along.

If you rub a puppy dog's nose in his doo doo they won't poop in the house again. Not so for TV posters.

It is totally WRONG that Abhisit does not see the whole picture in Thailand. It is TRUE he does not have the photo editor, like I do, to correct the focus and double exposures, as The Joseph Solution and The Joseph Plan could do.

Abhisit has OFTEN spoke of doing what is right for all of Thailand, the big picture'. He is Western educated and experienced enough to know what The Silent Majority is. He doesn't realize, in Thailand, can, more accurately, be named The Mute Majority.

When 70%, probably, now, 80% of Thais hate both the Reds and the Yellows, he probably has seen how the apolitical in Western campaigns are wooed and influence elections.

In the West there are strategies for 'reaching' the Silent Majority; in Thailand there is a culture for 'respecting' their indifference.

They are ready to stand firmly behind whatever gang comes out on top.

There are a few reasons I hold out great hope for Thailand, at least the 'potential' for a bright future.

One is this this Mute Majority and the Voice The Joseph Solution gives to it. Another is the the few good politicians that have shone, such as Khun Chuan Leekpai and Khun Abhisit. The 3rd is the be the lifelong efforts and actions of one very great man whose examples and works are Codified in The Joseph Solution.

Abhisit DOES see the big picture: he doesn't know where the paint brushes are: they are right here!

[come and get them, before the autumn military reshuffle!] I'm warning 'again'

Fall 2010 headlines TODAY.

[Jerrytheyoung]

It is great to see a less sensationalist article from the Nation. Even though Abhisit has said that the overall problem cannot be solved by merely dispersing the red shirts, he hasn't been seen to do a lot in trying to solve the bigger problem. As the article points out, he is no doubt under a lot of pressure from his party to solve the immediate problem so that the Democrats look good and appear in control.

What this article fails to mention however is that as much as Abhisit is not addressing the overall problem, the red shirt leaders are certainly not doing their part to work towards a solution either. Their stubbornness and deliberate short-term focus on forcing an immediate election indicates they don't want a solution to the problem of a divided Thailand, they just want power back in their own hands.

Until BOTH sides start to accept each other and are prepared to work for the good of the country without complete selfishness, there will be no long-term solution.

Both sides are unable to work together. The short term solution is outside. An in depth restructuration of Election rules has to be set before new elections.

1- controlled, limited and transparent campaign budget,

2- policy program .....

3- bribes and corruption rules reinforced....

4- regionalisation of Power?Administration with elected Governor, decentralised budget permiting a closer surveillance by people.

[Redsunset]

Why don't you do an updated survey on THAI VISA:

1. Do you think Abhsit is doing a good job dealing with the red shirts?

2. Should Abhisit disperse the protesters now with force?

3. Should he stay the course and continue his softer approach?

4. Is your life better, worse, or the same since the red shirts have occupied Ratchaprasong?

5. How do you feel the red shirt protest will affect Thailand's economy? Very much so, somewhat, very little, not at all?

[Redsunset]

It confirms several points;

1- Abhisit is a Partisan leader not a stateman able to overpass his party for the safe of the Nation.

2- How stubborn and selfish most of the Thai Politicians are.

3- Unfortunately, we are heading to a major conflict which can be out of hand

4- IMHO, it is paradoxical, because I am fundamentally for democracy and against a coup-, but in those circumstances Anupong has shown restraints and -it is my feeling- he appreciates the situation far better than the Government. He should take over and named Anand for a transition period, organising elections after setting up fair rules.

This is where the Thai culture of "non confrontation" and sabai sabai are killing us. Abhisit is being non-confrontational. We need a leader with zero tolerance for "terrorism" in the center of his city and who upholds the Emergency Degree. He has absolutely no idea how to use "the stick" and he will discover in the long run, his leadership, his ideology, his principles will be flushed down the toilet by a band of savages.

[chev]

is there a big picture here?

sorry, totally missed it.

[zorm999]

It is great to see a less sensationalist article from the Nation. Even though Abhisit has said that the overall problem cannot be solved by merely dispersing the red shirts, he hasn't been seen to do a lot in trying to solve the bigger problem. As the article points out, he is no doubt under a lot of pressure from his party to solve the immediate problem so that the Democrats look good and appear in control.

What this article fails to mention however is that as much as Abhisit is not addressing the overall problem, the red shirt leaders are certainly not doing their part to work towards a solution either. Their stubbornness and deliberate short-term focus on forcing an immediate election indicates they don't want a solution to the problem of a divided Thailand, they just want power back in their own hands.

Until BOTH sides start to accept each other and are prepared to work for the good of the country without complete selfishness, there will be no long-term solution.

Both sides are unable to work together. The short term solution is outside. An in depth restructuration of Election rules has to be set before new elections.

1- controlled, limited and transparent campaign budget,

2- policy program .....

3- bribes and corruption rules reinforced....

4- regionalisation of Power?Administration with elected Governor, decentralised budget permiting a closer surveillance by people.

I agree - that would be an excellent first step. However the current system of curruption appears to be horribly entrenched. It's not going to be easy to get politicians and local leaders to give up their means of power and control. But if it could be done it would be a huge step forward for the country as a whole.

[chev]

It is great to see a less sensationalist article from the Nation. Even though Abhisit has said that the overall problem cannot be solved by merely dispersing the red shirts, he hasn't been seen to do a lot in trying to solve the bigger problem. As the article points out, he is no doubt under a lot of pressure from his party to solve the immediate problem so that the Democrats look good and appear in control.

What this article fails to mention however is that as much as Abhisit is not addressing the overall problem, the red shirt leaders are certainly not doing their part to work towards a solution either. Their stubbornness and deliberate short-term focus on forcing an immediate election indicates they don't want a solution to the problem of a divided Thailand, they just want power back in their own hands.

Until BOTH sides start to accept each other and are prepared to work for the good of the country without complete selfishness, there will be no long-term solution.

,,,and the suffering since birth, a thai belief, and the band, marches on just like in philadelphia.

[chev]

It is great to see a less sensationalist article from the Nation. Even though Abhisit has said that the overall problem cannot be solved by merely dispersing the red shirts, he hasn't been seen to do a lot in trying to solve the bigger problem. As the article points out, he is no doubt under a lot of pressure from his party to solve the immediate problem so that the Democrats look good and appear in control.

What this article fails to mention however is that as much as Abhisit is not addressing the overall problem, the red shirt leaders are certainly not doing their part to work towards a solution either. Their stubbornness and deliberate short-term focus on forcing an immediate election indicates they don't want a solution to the problem of a divided Thailand, they just want power back in their own hands.

Until BOTH sides start to accept each other and are prepared to work for the good of the country without complete selfishness, there will be no long-term solution.

Both sides are unable to work together. The short term solution is outside. An in depth restructuration of Election rules has to be set before new elections.

1- controlled, limited and transparent campaign budget,

2- policy program .....

3- bribes and corruption rules reinforced....

4- regionalisation of Power?Administration with elected Governor, decentralised budget permiting a closer surveillance by people.

I agree - that would be an excellent first step. However the current system of curruption appears to be horribly entrenched. It's not going to be easy to get politicians and local leaders to give up their means of power and control. But if it could be done it would be a huge step forward for the country as a whole.

like the oldest profession in the world, how do you get rid of corruption and what ails governments anywhere in the world that are so entrenched in this swill of corruption beyond the raised points here?

[midas]

Even the Pravda writes it: The government cannot anticipate how big the red-shirt movement is, or how big it will grow. As long as the red shirts' problems remain and their demands are not met, the movement will be reborn and come back to challenge the government again in no time at all.

Unfortunately the Democrats are not wise enough to understand.

My guess is that Abisith does not want any elections at all. He'll always find a good reason to postpone. Burmese style.

There are so many for him to chose from already in these threads.......

[clockworkorange]

Even the Pravda writes it: The government cannot anticipate how big the red-shirt movement is, or how big it will grow. As long as the red shirts' problems remain and their demands are not met, the movement will be reborn and come back to challenge the government again in no time at all.

Unfortunately the Democrats are not wise enough to understand.

My guess is that Abisith does not want any elections at all. He'll always find a good reason to postpone. Burmese style.

I am a bit surprised too, at seeing something finally coming out of the Pravda that criticises Abhsit and the Democrats. In this case for trying to censor his detractors by bringing the monarchy into what is obviously a vastly wider political and social problem.

That stance has been the Democrats failing all along, the way they shut up their detractors by overuse of the "you don't like me therefore you are against the monarchy" tactic. The vast majority of all Thais, red, yellow, or whatever, hold the monarchy in very high regard, and for Abhisit to keep using the monarchy as a weapon to hide the fact that the Democrats were not properly elected to office in the first place is turning a disagreement into a civil war.

Edited April 29, 2010 by clockworkorange

[jamieson]

Even the Pravda writes it: The government cannot anticipate how big the red-shirt movement is, or how big it will grow. As long as the red shirts' problems remain and their demands are not met, the movement will be reborn and come back to challenge the government again in no time at all.

Unfortunately the Democrats are not wise enough to understand.

My guess is that Abisith does not want any elections at all. He'll always find a good reason to postpone. Burmese style.

acting blur or doing nothing is also an action course - any style, burmese or otherwise.

[jamieson]

is there a big picture here?

sorry, totally missed it.

yes, there is.

you were part of it all this while - your presence in thailand and in this forum puts you in the big picture.

[retarius]

I have to confess, I'm stunned by this article...a fair, sensible and balanced article coming from the Nation...what is the world coming to?

[Jerrytheyoung]

It is great to see a less sensationalist article from the Nation. Even though Abhisit has said that the overall problem cannot be solved by merely dispersing the red shirts, he hasn't been seen to do a lot in trying to solve the bigger problem. As the article points out, he is no doubt under a lot of pressure from his party to solve the immediate problem so that the Democrats look good and appear in control.

What this article fails to mention however is that as much as Abhisit is not addressing the overall problem, the red shirt leaders are certainly not doing their part to work towards a solution either. Their stubbornness and deliberate short-term focus on forcing an immediate election indicates they don't want a solution to the problem of a divided Thailand, they just want power back in their own hands.

Until BOTH sides start to accept each other and are prepared to work for the good of the country without complete selfishness, there will be no long-term solution.

Both sides are unable to work together. The short term solution is outside. An in depth restructuration of Election rules has to be set before new elections.

1- controlled, limited and transparent campaign budget,

2- policy program .....

3- bribes and corruption rules reinforced....

4- regionalisation of Power?Administration with elected Governor, decentralised budget permiting a closer surveillance by people.

I agree - that would be an excellent first step. However the current system of curruption appears to be horribly entrenched. It's not going to be easy to get politicians and local leaders to give up their means of power and control. But if it could be done it would be a huge step forward for the country as a whole.

like the oldest profession in the world, how do you get rid of corruption and what ails governments anywhere in the world that are so entrenched in this swill of corruption beyond the raised points here?

Why the Issan girls are going to Pattaya, Cow boy street...? Because (in general) they send back most of the money to their family: it is a survival operation.

If you take Europe few centuries ago, we have the same behaviors on a similar scale. (Paris 19th century, a lot of middle class men have a Girl Friend in plus of their wife- A lot of scandals with politicians- even beginning of 20th Century one President has an heart attack in a "Maison Close" (Brothel). briberies.... the same and even recently.

But slowly the situation has improved. as example, French policemen are no more involved with money. Since only 40 or 50 years, Fines are paid by stamps. Ministry of finances is managing the system. Courts of Justice is the only way to get a reduction in the fine amount.

It will take time to clean the system and even in our Western Countries, corruption still do exist but it is more subtle and sophisticated. (Lobbying in USA is it not a bribering modern form?)

Under the pretext it is too much entrenched, the argument "why to start the struggle" is not a positive point.

The cleaning must start as soon as possible: why not now? it will take time (Centuries maybe...).

Thailand fantastic population deserves better

Edited April 29, 2010 by Jerrytheyoung

[californiabeachboy]

I thought there was a good article in one of the newspapers by a military strategist saying that the government should wear them (the Red Shirts) down. I am not a Red Shirt nor Yellow Shirt, but a someone who likes Thailand and the Thai people, so I want to weight in. When "crunch time" comes most people act in their own self interest. I believe most Red Shirts want to leave the intersection in Bangkok and go home to be with their families and live their life. I believe 90% of the Red Shirts believe in what they are doing but don't want civil war. However, in any conflict there are a small minority who benefit from war. The key is to separate the two. Give the 90% something they can take home with them that makes it look like their effort was not fruitless (so called saving face). Arrest the leaders (who benefit from war, as they will be the new leaders) and take the microphone away from them. Once the leaders lose support, or realize that it is not in their best interest to wage war, the conflict will end.

[lensta]

Why don't you do an updated survey on THAI VISA:

1. Do you think Abhsit is doing a good job dealing with the red shirts?

2. Should Abhisit disperse the protesters now with force?

3. Should he stay the course and continue his softer approach?

4. Is your life better, worse, or the same since the red shirts have occupied Ratchaprasong?

5. How do you feel the red shirt protest will affect Thailand's economy? Very much so, somewhat, very little, not at all?

Because what TV members (unless they are Thai) think means nothing and has no influence on past, present or furure events in this debacle. Surely you must have heard " this is Thailand, we are Thai and we don't need any outside interference."

[scorecard]

Why don't you do an updated survey on THAI VISA:

1. Do you think Abhsit is doing a good job dealing with the red shirts?

2. Should Abhisit disperse the protesters now with force?

3. Should he stay the course and continue his softer approach?

4. Is your life better, worse, or the same since the red shirts have occupied Ratchaprasong?

5. How do you feel the red shirt protest will affect Thailand's economy? Very much so, somewhat, very little, not at all?

Because what TV members (unless they are Thai) think means nothing and has no influence on past, present or furure events in this debacle. Surely you must have heard " this is Thailand, we are Thai and we don't need any outside interference."

Every culture / society has aspects which we all (individually) label as positive and negative, however no person no group or authority in the world is the ultimate 'perfect judge' nor has the right to be the judge of what is positive or negative / right or wrong.

Many westerners see 'non confrontation' as: weak / unwise / damaging /a roadblock to fixing problems / a roadblock to development and more. That's a western assessment but definitely not a Thai assessment.

Many westerners* seem to think that Abhisits 'non confrontation' approach is his downfall. I disagree, the 'non confrontation' or soft is deeply rooted, deeply admired, deeply respected in Thai culture and is not going to change this week or possibly ever.

This is all happening inside Thailand. There is the possibility that Abhisits current approach is seen by many Thais as very appropriate.

(* I guess many people saw the BBC Hardtalk program yesterday in which the agressive interviewer approached every question to PM Abhisit from a total western viewpoint and continuously said to PM Abhisit things like 'you have failed' and more. I see her approach as really saying (quite strongly) that in the western appraoch you failed and that's the only way to look at it.)

[davelec]

Even the Pravda writes it: The government cannot anticipate how big the red-shirt movement is, or how big it will grow. As long as the red shirts' problems remain and their demands are not met, the movement will be reborn and come back to challenge the government again in no time at all.

Unfortunately the Democrats are not wise enough to understand.

My guess is that Abisith does not want any elections at all. He'll always find a good reason to postpone. Burmese style.

The lying puppet has already ruled out early elections for fears of 'violence' as if not having one has not promoted violence!

[way2muchcoffee]

I have to confess, I'm stunned by this article...a fair, sensible and balanced article coming from the Nation...what is the world coming to?

While I am not so sure the opinion piece is particularly fair or balanced it is encouraging to see it printed in The Nation (of all places). Kudos.

Edited April 29, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[quiksilva]

Why don't you do an updated survey on THAI VISA:

1. Do you think Abhsit is doing a good job dealing with the red shirts?

2. Should Abhisit disperse the protesters now with force?

3. Should he stay the course and continue his softer approach?

4. Is your life better, worse, or the same since the red shirts have occupied Ratchaprasong?

5. How do you feel the red shirt protest will affect Thailand's economy? Very much so, somewhat, very little, not at all?

Because what TV members (unless they are Thai) think means nothing and has no influence on past, present or furure events in this debacle. Surely you must have heard " this is Thailand, we are Thai and we don't need any outside interference."

If you think a poll on an Expat forum has any influence then you are sadly deluded.

This does not mean to say however that we can not have an opinion on the matter, especially when many of us have business and family interests here which are directly affected by present and future events.

By your logic all foreigners including big business, the media and governments should ignore what is happening in Thailand and indeed everywhere overseas.

Those of us voicing opinions on this topic here in TV do so because we ARE minding our own business!

[Jerrytheyoung]

Just a question: which may explain that Abhisit and its coalition want to stay until the Budget has been passed through Parliament.

(because it is the source for financing the next election). (And explains the parliament current activity).

In case we get a Caretaker Government now, the rule is this Government will have to reconduct the same budget than 1st October 2009/ 30 September 2010 one? But if there is a new voted budget, he may implement this new budget?

Somebody can confirm the rule?

Edited April 29, 2010 by Jerrytheyoung

[Redsunset]

On BBC yesterday:

Abhisit started weak, looked a bit like Susan Boyle when she sang "Cats" on Briton's Idol... then he got into his groove a bit... but still he looked like a teenager being "schooled" the interviewer Christiane Amanpour

Abhisit is smart, logical, thoughtful and convincing. He is a good academic, a great debater and a solid adviser. But he is very weak when it comes to dealing with people. He just has trouble connecting with others who are different than him, especially poorer and not as well off.

I am sure the poor disenfranchised Isaan people can feel his arrogance. And I'm sure in private, he probably looks down on them a bit too.

Thais can be extremely arrogant and snobby, believe me. Why do you think every villa, house and condo has such a huge gate, and security in front of it? To keep the raging peasants out! lols!

Edited April 29, 2010 by Redsunset

[bendejo]

IMO, Abhisit wants to be removed by a coup, then let them declare martial law and clean up the mess. He rather go down in history as inept than as the monster who killed xxxx Thai people. I think he bungled it from the get-go, giving the reds too much free reign.

I think Abhisit did ok on BBC World, better than I expected. I don't think Zeinab does a good job on Hardtalk, she just makes the interview difficult rather than challenging (bring back Tim Sebastian!); when she started to create her own perspective that he was installed by a coup, he then laid out the chronology and talked right over her -- well done! She didn't like that, tsk tsk!

While Abhisit may be well-educated in diplomacy and debate, his style is no match for the thugs and bottom-feeders runner his homeland, nor the childish make-it-up-as-you-go-along style of the red camp, from Taksin on down to the raving nuts I've talk to on the streets; last week a woman stopped me and told me this was a communist government run by the military, then went on to speak of people she shouldn't have, and in a very derogatory way.

Edited April 29, 2010 by bendejo

[Redsunset]

IMO, Abhisit wants to be removed by a coup, then let them declare martial law and clean up the mess. He rather go down in history as inept than as the monster who killed xxxx Thai people. I think he bungled it from the get-go, giving the reds too much free reign.

Yes, you are right. Even if this situation eventually clears up, he has pissed off so many people, and acted so indecisively and made so many suffer that he can never say: "See, I told you that we could solve the problem if we wait." 1-2 months suffering should not have happened! It should have been resolved in week!

[nickupton]

to hide the fact that the Democrats were not properly elected to office in the first place

OMG how is it that there are still people that don't understand the electoral system here in Thailand. Every MP was elected by his/her constituents and the current government is a coalition of parties whose MPs together form a voting majority and represent the majority of Thais. This government was elected, formed in accordance to the constitution (both pre and post coup) and is the result of the PT party's former manifestation being found guilty of vote buying (evidence of which is on video I believe).

[MaxLee]

The fact that the red-shirted protest is being labelled by the government as an anti-monarchy movement is an indicator that the ruling Democrat Party and Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva merely want to play a political game to disperse the protesters.

That sentence caught my attention... Now Abhisit and his people are doing it the easy way again, by pointing the fingers... To use the term of Anti Monarchy, (in other words claiming that the reds are against the ideals of Thailand's beloved king), to their advantage and their own self-interested reputation is such a treacherous thing to do and pisses me off.

I think that deep down his heart, King Bumibol is really sad about what happens to his country...

EDIT: I don't know whether I was allowed to say that, but if that post sounds offensive or is not relevant to the topic,... delete it please...

Edited April 29, 2010 by MaxLee