Well, I have faith that if enough effort on a national scale was applied, something can be done. You guys have the science, but seem to lack the political will to make it happen.

Personally, I agree with you. Sure it's deep (about 1.5 km) and that causes a lot of problems with pressure and cold. But I would think there should be a way to collapse the hole if it can't be plugged.

Yep and if the technology does exist and is not used for a political reason, the current administration will not be treated nicely by history.

Well, I have faith that if enough effort on a national scale was applied, something can be done. You guys have the science, but seem to lack the political will to make it happen.

This technology does not exist...... Yet

Yes there is a lot of political BS thrown about as always same as Afghanistan/Iraq/Israel aid etc...But there is nothing that could be done that is not being done.

None would say the gusher is allowed to continue for political reasons.

There is a good reason to write to congress/senate as you said & that is to ask them to not be such a push over when the lobbyist come through next time. Regulation needs to be in place before anymore drilling is allowed period.

Things like current booming technology is so lacking it is a joke, See the you tube neverdie posted for examples.

None would allow a nuclear reactor in their backyard if they did not have the capability to shut it down in an emergency...This is not so different except while they are allowed to take more & more risks with this planet..They

(the oil companies )have no effective emergency plans in place...Anyone who thinks they do need only look at this mess.

Sad, but good post

Somebody said early in the crisis that this incident was a 'Game Changer' & I think that is turning out to be spot on. At the rate things are going, the worlds oceans, or a large part of them could become DEAD ZONES and thats going to change everything.

time to jump on the anti BP bandwagon with some art

^I like that art, theres plenty of anti-bp sentiment going around at the moment.

BP news:

BP denies bankruptcy rumours amid 'mounting liabilities' | News.com.au

Somebody said early in the crisis that this incident was a 'Game Changer' & I think that is turning out to be spot on. At the rate things are going, the worlds oceans, or a large part of them could become DEAD ZONES and thats going to change everything.

I was the one who said that....

The reason I said it is partly what you just said. I also mentioned it before & the worlds reliance on the ocean for

protein/food for so many. Many countries cannot raise beef,pork due to land/space requirements/restrictions.

Not to mention the oceans contribution to our oxygen.

But I also said game changer because as we shall see very soon it will change life for many right now.

Those that live the closest to the spill are first but not last. If it continues we could see a migration of many people from the south of the US.

Already we will see very large industries close & that is the start. All the smaller industries that feed off those will also be shut down.

Even with the possibility of getting the gusher under control there will be fall out for years due to what already exists. Add to that the unknown effects of the chemical disbursements that have been hastily approved to help mask this disaster & what effect it may have on the sea life & those who consume it. You can imagine the future potential

^I like that art, theres plenty of anti-bp sentiment going around at the moment.

I really do not think much about BP nor do I really lay the blame at their feet per se'

No more than I lay the blame at the bankers feet that lent money to folks who they knew couldn't pay it back.

No more than I blame the folks who took the money that they also knew they could not pay back. Or the pigs known as Goldman Sachs..2nd highest campaign contributor to Obama...2nd only to a straw man Univ of California...yeah right

This crisis of oil like the financial crisis are both born of greed yes...But I really blame those that we elect to protect us & to look out for us. It is they who are bought & paid for by lobbyist of the oil industries or the financial industries. It is they who allow things to get pushed through legislation before looking at the long term impacts or safety hazards.

Many of them are not even qualified to make these decisions because they have no idea of what they are even voting on.

Yet they vote.

It became painfully clear when listening to congress & senate both after the financial crisis & even now with this crisis. They have not a clue...Yet they vote to allow such things. FUBAR

Sir flying, MORE time than not I find myself agreeing with your postings. I agree with what you have said here, with the exception of the level of 'blame' that you feel towards BP.

Every person, every business no matter how large or how small can choose how they are going to run their show. Most, if not all of those large multicorps only care about one thing -PROFIT/SHARE PRICE etc.

Governments are suppose to be putting the right regulators in the right places to stop dangerous practices taking place.

Everything has failed here, virtually from woe to go and now the consequences are extremely dire. The buck stop with the people that failed to carry out their jobs correctly and those who both allowed that to happen. Take BP down from the top and likewise with the regulative authorities who have allowed this situation to transpire.

Sir flying, MORE time than not I find myself agreeing with your postings. I agree with what you have said here, with the exception of the level of 'blame' that you feel towards BP.

Every person, every business no matter how large or how small can choose how they are going to run their show. Most, if not all of those large multicorps only care about one thing -PROFIT/SHARE PRICE etc.

Governments are suppose to be putting the right regulators in the right places to stop dangerous practices taking place.

Everything has failed here, virtually from woe to go and now the consequences are extremely dire. The buck stop with the people that failed to carry out their jobs correctly and those who both allowed that to happen. Take BP down from the top and likewise with the regulative authorities who have allowed this situation to transpire.

For sure I agree with you & it would be a nice world if these large corporations had a conscious. But as you said they care about one thing $$$

The world is now geared that even share holders can sue them if they do not produce. Is it any wonder that they operate as they do?

Agree also with you about govt & regulations. Of course free markets are a good thing but these two examples..Financial & Energy both have the capability to change the game/end the game if left unchecked. Now we see & it is possibly too late for both will impact the future more than we know.

Which is why I said our elected officials were supposedly in place to protect & have failed miserably.

Trust me when I say initially on both counts..financial meltdown & this oil catastrophe I felt as you do.... Blame?

He11 I was all for shooting wall street execs from rooftops. But I also now realize we allowed all of this to happen.

As such again I agree with you when you say take it all down. I would rather start from scratch than continue to destroy the world for future generations.

I would rather do without if need be.

I do have a cartoon from awhile back though...

One thing that people fail to recognise constantly, is the importance of doing you're job properly. Its like driving a car. The driver of the worlds smallest, lightest & slowest car has an onus to do so in a manner that is safe for all road users. As the size of the vehicle increases up to the largest, heaviest and fastest truck on the planet, so does the onus of the drivers care. This simple verbal illistration has been tested in courts of law & its very relevant to the current situation. My point being, the larger the co-orperation, the larger the onus is on them to be doing the right thing. No excuses.

So, those people in those high paying postions, the ones that get all the massive company bonuses and benifits need to be held accountable, afterall that one of the responsibilities for being in those chairs and receiving the rewards.

People need to be place in jail cells for a very long time. People who have absolutely no vested interest in the PROFITS should be placed into postions that ENSURE that the correct steps are taken to correcting the existing problem. I would hate to think PROFIT is taking priority over rectifying the existing situation.

Opinion: BP still in charge of oil spill, still shrouding it in secrecy

As the days turn into weeks, BP's oil disaster is unfolding into one of the greatest threats to the food chain.

Oil spill highlights Government's subservience to big business

Article at link above...

Opinion: BP still in charge of oil spill, still shrouding it in secrecy

As the days turn into weeks, BP's oil disaster is unfolding into one of the greatest threats to the food chain.

Oil spill highlights Government's subservience to big business

Article at link above...

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I read your link until I got this far:

"BP is still in charge of cleaning up its mess that resulted due to Bush administration cronyism...."

I read your link until I got this far:

"BP is still in charge of cleaning up its mess that resulted due to Bush administration cronyism...."

Actually I never read the link that was attached to the sentence you pointed out....

Dick Cheney's Last Laugh | Mother Jones

I didn't feel the need.

As I mentioned a couple of posts up...cronyism is a given in this beautifully broken government.

It is not limited to the Republicans as I mentioned also in a previous post with the reference to Goldman Sachs being the 2nd highest campaign contributor to Obabma...

But if that is all you took from that article since you stopped as soon as anything threatened your archie bunkerism

Well.............That is why..... it is what it is with you. Sorry

I read your link until I got this far:

"BP is still in charge of cleaning up its mess that resulted due to Bush administration cronyism...."

Actually I never read the link that was attached to the sentence you pointed out....

Dick Cheney's Last Laugh | Mother Jones

I didn't feel the need.

As I mentioned a couple of posts up...cronyism is a given in this beautifully broken government.

It is not limited to the Republicans as I mentioned also in a previous post with the reference to Goldman Sachs being the 2nd highest campaign contributor to Obabma...

But if that is all you took from that article since you stopped as soon as anything threatened your archie bunkerism

Well.............That is why..... it is what it is with you. Sorry

Talking about "archie bunkerism" (sic)???

"Many times I do not bother to read your of K's whole post. I really rather not even go round & round with you 3...well actually one musketeer has been on ignore for awhile"

Your words, from post number 303 in the ship attack thread.

Was listening to this on C-span today ....Kind of a background white noise as I worked ....

This short clip pretty much sums it up.

Although the repair plans that made reference to walrus is pretty funny considering there are no walrus in the gulf for 3 million years or some such silliness...Basically due to them lifting info off their Valdez response report

It cannot be embedded due to AFP rules

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Your words, from post number 303 in the ship attack thread.

With all due respect...............

Can you just blow? This is a topic about a tragedy of our oceans...Not the USA ocean but

the worlds ocean & the effect it could have on all of humanity. Not just the Bush supporters/detractors.

Perhaps you can save your little right wing/left wing dance for another time?

Give it a break.

You have some info about the spill or the attempts to stop it?

Your words, from post number 303 in the ship attack thread.

With all due respect...............

Can you just blow? This is a topic about a tragedy of our oceans...Not the USA ocean but

the worlds ocean & the effect it could have on all of humanity. Not just the Bush supporters/detractors.

Perhaps you can save your little right wing/left wing dance for another time?

Give it a break.

You have some info about the spill or the attempts to stop it?

One hundred forty posts and nobody has come up with the solution. You might consider beating your chest and wailing, for all the good you are doing.

Giving it a break might be good advice for you as well.

Edit in: How much of a contribution are posts number 126, 127 and 128? Your silence is deafening.

You have some info about the spill or the attempts to stop it?

One hundred forty posts and nobody has come up with the solution.

Ah thanks chuck...true to bad form....

You are consistent ....You quote it but don't read/comprehend it.

Notice the post said...info about? & attempts to stop it? None here has claimed the capacity to solve the crisis with a solution.

Thanks again

You have some info about the spill or the attempts to stop it?

One hundred forty posts and nobody has come up with the solution.

Ah thanks chuck...true to bad form....

You are consistent ....You quote it but don't read/comprehend it.

Notice the post said...info about? & attempts to stop it? None here has claimed the capacity to solve the crisis with a solution.

Thanks again

So my question about post 126, 127 and 128 goes unanswered.

Just for the record, I do not believe posts 126, 127 and 128 contained any "info about" or recommendations about "attempts" to stop the oil flow.

My reading comprehension isn't the only one at question here.

You're welcome.

You have some info about the spill or the attempts to stop it?

One hundred forty posts and nobody has come up with the solution.

Ah thanks chuck...true to bad form....

You are consistent ....You quote it but don't read/comprehend it.

Notice the post said...info about? & attempts to stop it? None here has claimed the capacity to solve the crisis with a solution.

Thanks again

So my question about post 126, 127 and 128 goes unanswered.

Just for the record, I do not believe posts 126, 127 and 128 contained any "info about" or recommendations about "attempts" to stop the oil flow.

My reading comprehension isn't the only one at question here.

You're welcome.

i can post some more if you like

dont take to heart, i just posted some relevant pics that ppl might like to see, if it offends you, report it. This is a forum, gees

i can post some more if you like

dont take to heart, i just posted some relevant pics that ppl might like to see, if it offends you, report it. This is a forum, gees

Whatever floats your boat, donnyboy. Post 'em if you got 'em, for all I care.

Just be sure they pass Mr. Flying's strict requirements.

So my question about post 126, 127 and 128 goes unanswered.

Sadly I had hoped to save you the embarrassment...

Those posts do not attempt to derail the thread & take it down archies lane of right wing cant be wrong so I am not reading ....mentality like you exhibited...again

Those posts were understandable given the situation. I also posted a cartoon somewhere

Hold your breath next time & I wont have to answer the obvious for you.

Man..sadly you have a real knack for this chucky.

condolences.

I liked the pictures donny, i feel you have just been caught up in a little 'muscle exercising program'

I liked the pictures donny, i feel you have just been caught up in a little 'muscle exercising program'

Yeah sorry about that.

I liked them too especially the 1st one #126

Here are some pictures from a Chinese site

50 Days in pics