One is obviously a joke - I wouldn't go around and nuke the world. The other, your point of view that you speak for the world, is also a joke. The difference is. I wasn't being serious and you are.

The time to point out that you were supposedly joking would have been in your first response after the "joke".

Many a true word is spoken in jest.

From you're attitude, and from your blatant words, from your first posts in this OTB forum right until posts these days, it is easy to believe that you would love to nuke any country that harboured some hippy vandals that dmaged some US property. "Shock and Awe" them at the very least. And if those vandals happened to be in a Muslin country....shock and awe is probably not enough for you.

This I sincerely believe of you and some of your racist war-mongering countrymen.

Trying to push a lot of buttons there all at once there aren't you troll? Please remind us all again why you wanted to go work in Afghanistan and rely on my "racist war-mongering countrymen" to keep you alive and safe? Or, were you planning to work for the other side? Now that would make sense.

Why I wanted to go to Afghanistan has NOTHING to do with my beliefs about you and your kind. I may have wanted to go to Afghanistan to kill Muslims....that doesn't change the valkidity of my belief in what you are.

If you think I'm a troll (I don't believe you really think that, I believe your repeated accusations of "troll" are a desperate effort to try to foister discredit upon me with a silly accusation)...if you really do, then stop engaging with me or referring to me. That's the best way to deal with a troll.

Come on boys, keep it civil............

Come on boys, keep it civil............

He's very good at roping people in to silly debates with remarks like "I really don't see why anyone would be against a mosque being built where the WTC used to be". It's not easy to just ignore him. He is good at what he does.

Come on boys, keep it civil............

He's very good at roping people in to silly debates with remarks like "I really don't see why anyone would be against a mosque being built where the WTC used to be". It's not easy to just ignore him. He is good at what he does.

You need to stop focussing on one sentence and read all I wrote to get the context and the argument. Read, try to comprehend.

I say again....stop engaging if you think I'm a troll.

Come on boys, keep it civil............

He's very good at roping people in to silly debates with remarks like "I really don't see why anyone would be against a mosque being built where the WTC used to be". It's not easy to just ignore him. He is good at what he does.

Here we have a good example of the arrogance-borne incomprehension; In Koheesti's mind, there is no debate. Any argument is "silly".

There can be no other point of view; Koheeti's opinion is fact.

This arrogance; could it epitomise the US view of the world?

Politically, it seems so.

Trying to push a lot of buttons there all at once there aren't you troll? Please remind us all again why you wanted to go work in Afghanistan and rely on my "racist war-mongering countrymen" to keep you alive and safe? Or, were you planning to work for the other side? Now that would make sense.

What some people will sink to just for MONEY.

Trying to push a lot of buttons there all at once there aren't you troll? Please remind us all again why you wanted to go work in Afghanistan and rely on my "racist war-mongering countrymen" to keep you alive and safe? Or, were you planning to work for the other side? Now that would make sense.

What some people will sink to just for MONEY.

Or maybe he wanted to go join in the stripping the land of its natural resources? Whatever it is, he's not telling.

Daniel Ellsberg's WikiLeaks wish list

The disclosure of tens of thousands of classified reports on the Afghan war last week by WikiLeaks has been compared, rightly or wrongly, to the release in 1971 of the Pentagon Papers, a top-secret history of U.S. involvement in Vietnam from 1945 to 1967. "The parallels are very strong," Pentagon Papers contributor and leaker Daniel Ellsberg told The Washington Post on Monday. "This is the largest unauthorized disclosure since the Pentagon Papers." But perhaps not large enough? Outlook asked Ellsberg for his wish list of documents to be leaked, declassified or otherwise made public, documents that could fundamentally alter public understanding of key national security issues and foreign policy debates. Below, he outlines his selections and calls for congressional investigations:

1. The official U.S. "order of battle" estimates of the Taliban in Afghanistan, detailing its size, organization and geographic breakdown -- in short, the total of our opponents in this war. If possible, a comparison of the estimate in December 2009 (when President Obama decided on a troop increase and new strategy) and the estimate in June or July 2010 (after six or seven months of the new strategy). We would probably see that our increased presence and activities have strengthened the Taliban, as has happened over the past three years.

2. Memos from the administration's decision-making process between July and December 2009 on the new strategy for Afghanistan, presenting internal critiques of the McChrystal-Petraeus strategy and troop requests -- similar to the November 2009 cables from Ambassador Karl W. Eikenberry that were leaked in January. In particular, memos by Vice President Biden, national security adviser Jim Jones and others; responses to the critiques; and responses to the responses. This paperwork would probably show that, like Eikenberry, other high-level internal critics of escalation made a stronger and more realistic case than its advocates, warranting congressional reexamination of the president's policy.

3. The draft revision, known as a "memo to holders," of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran from November 2007. This has been held up for the past several months, apparently because it is consistent with the judgment of that NIE that Iran has not made a decision to produce nuclear weapons. In particular, the contribution to that memo by the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), since the INR has had the best track record on such matters. Plus, estimates by the INR and others of the likelihood of an Israeli attack on Iran later this summer. Such disclosures could arrest momentum toward a foreseeably disastrous U.S.-supported attack, as the same finding did in 2007.

4. The 28 or more pages on the foreknowledge or involvement of foreign governments (particularly Saudi Arabia) that were redacted from the congressional investigation of 9/11, over the protest of then-Sen. Bob Graham (D-Fla.).

On each of these matters, congressional investigation is called for. The chance of this would be greatly strengthened by leaks from insiders. Subsequent hearings could elicit testimony from the insiders who provided the information (whose identities could be made known to congressional investigators) and others who, while not willing to take on the personal risks of leaking, would be ready to testify honestly under oath if requested or subpoenaed by Congress. Leaks are essential to this process.

On BBC's Dateline London show they were talking about how irresponsible the leak was because of all the names of Afghans found within. It's only a matter of time now before the Taliban and al Qaeda start to kill off the locals named who helped out. I bet that the Wikileaks founder considers them acceptable casualties. He either believes that or accepts that he will be responsible for more Afghan civilian deaths than any soldier. Maybe he'll be invited to Oslo later in the year to accept his prize.

Is there a Nobel prize for being the best traitor?

On BBC's Dateline London show they were talking about how irresponsible the leak was because of all the names of Afghans found within. It's only a matter of time now before the Taliban and al Qaeda start to kill off the locals named who helped out. I bet that the Wikileaks founder considers them acceptable casualties. He either believes that or accepts that he will be responsible for more Afghan civilian deaths than any soldier. Maybe he'll be invited to Oslo later in the year to accept his prize.

Maybe any one individual soldier that pulls a trigger.....but what about the top soldiers that give the orders? Are you saying that there are thousands of Afghan civilians named that will be killed?

Since Assange will not pull a trigger that directly results in a death, surely your analogy to "any soldier" should more rightly have been made with the soldiers or politicians that give the orders that result in civilian deaths.

But then, if you had, there would not be any analogy to make that would put Assange "up there" with all the real murderers-by-proxy.

On BBC's Dateline London show they were talking about how irresponsible the leak was because of all the names of Afghans found within. It's only a matter of time now before the Taliban and al Qaeda start to kill off the locals named who helped out. I bet that the Wikileaks founder considers them acceptable casualties. He either believes that or accepts that he will be responsible for more Afghan civilian deaths than any soldier. Maybe he'll be invited to Oslo later in the year to accept his prize.

Maybe any one individual soldier that pulls a trigger.....but what about the top soldiers that give the orders? Are you saying that there are thousands of Afghan civilians named that will be killed?

Since Assange will not pull a trigger that directly results in a death, surely your analogy to "any soldier" should more rightly have been made with the soldiers or politicians that give the orders that result in civilian deaths.

But then, if you had, there would not be any analogy to make that would put Assange "up there" with all the real murderers-by-proxy.

It's beginning to become clear that Assange is a publicity-seeking whore who obviously doesn't care how many people end up dying in his personal quest for fame and wealth. It will be some time before those he fooled into thinking he was some kind of hero come around - if they ever do.

On BBC's Dateline London show they were talking about how irresponsible the leak was because of all the names of Afghans found within. It's only a matter of time now before the Taliban and al Qaeda start to kill off the locals named who helped out. I bet that the Wikileaks founder considers them acceptable casualties. He either believes that or accepts that he will be responsible for more Afghan civilian deaths than any soldier. Maybe he'll be invited to Oslo later in the year to accept his prize.

Maybe any one individual soldier that pulls a trigger.....but what about the top soldiers that give the orders? Are you saying that there are thousands of Afghan civilians named that will be killed?

Since Assange will not pull a trigger that directly results in a death, surely your analogy to "any soldier" should more rightly have been made with the soldiers or politicians that give the orders that result in civilian deaths.

But then, if you had, there would not be any analogy to make that would put Assange "up there" with all the real murderers-by-proxy.

It's beginning to become clear that Assange is a publicity-seeking whore who obviously doesn't care how many people end up dying in his personal quest for fame and wealth. It will be some time before those he fooled into thinking he was some kind of hero come around - if they ever do.

You could be right......at this point in time I don't think so though.

I believe Assange has handed the reins over to an Icelandic politician and an Icelandic journalist....and being a target for "sanction", I do not think he is nearly dumb enough to seek alot of publicity, rather keep a low profile.

Leaks has been going for years, and it is only recently that Assange made headlines with the Iraq video.

He's not on a quest for fame....... wealth, well, that's normal.

It looks like our favorite whistle blower might have tried to get his whistle blown in Sweden.

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Sweden seeks Wikileaks founder arrest in rape case

STOCKHOLM – WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is suspected of rape in Sweden, where authorities have issued a warrant for his arrest, officials said Saturday.

The rest of the story here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100821/ap_on_hi_te/eu_sweden_wikileaks

Julian Assange deserves to be handed over to the many Afghanis that he has exposed to danger.

It looks like our favorite whistle blower might have tried to get his whistle blown in Sweden.

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Sweden seeks Wikileaks founder arrest in rape case

STOCKHOLM – WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is suspected of rape in Sweden, where authorities have issued a warrant for his arrest, officials said Saturday.

The rest of the story here:

http://news.yahoo.co...weden_wikileaks

I wouldn't be surprised if the powers that be have a hand in this. It smells of a gov't set-up. Back in 2003-4, former weapons inspector Scott Ritter had been all over TV supporting Saddam and blasting the WMD claims. Then I saw on the news that he was being sought for kiddie porn accusations. Whereas the Russians just have their little annoyances killed (usually journalists), I think our side would be more likely to handle these people via character assassination to discredit them or shut them up. Yes, I am koheesti and no one has hijacked my account. Honest.

Sweden drops rape accusation against WikiLeaks founder

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http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/08/21/sweden.wikileaks.charge/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1#fbid=ZnuoEK1iA_p&wom=false

Stockholm, Sweden (CNN) -- Swedish authorities say they have revoked an arrest warrant that had alleged rape against the founder and editor of the whistle-blowing website WikiLeaks, Julian Assange.

Assange is "no longer wanted" and "is not suspected of rape," Chief Prosecutor Eva Finne said in a statement posted on the agency's official website Saturday. He is also no longer arrested in absentia, the statement said.

The arrest warrant filed Friday had also mentioned a molestation charge, but molestation is not a crime punishable behind bars in Sweden.

Earlier, Karin Rosander, a spokeswoman for the prosecutor's office, said Assange was arrested in absentia Friday night, and faced charges in relation to two separate instances, but she didn't have more detail about when the alleged crimes occurred or who the alleged victims are.

It looks like our favorite whistle blower might have tried to get his whistle blown in Sweden.

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Sweden seeks Wikileaks founder arrest in rape case

STOCKHOLM WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is suspected of rape in Sweden, where authorities have issued a warrant for his arrest, officials said Saturday.

The rest of the story here:

http://news.yahoo.co...weden_wikileaks

I wouldn't be surprised if the powers that be have a hand in this. It smells of a gov't set-up. Back in 2003-4, former weapons inspector Scott Ritter had been all over TV supporting Saddam and blasting the WMD claims. Then I saw on the news that he was being sought for kiddie porn accusations. Whereas the Russians just have their little annoyances killed (usually journalists), I think our side would be more likely to handle these people via character assassination to discredit them or shut them up. Yes, I am koheesti and no one has hijacked my account. Honest.

Don't forget Dr David Kelly, whistleblower and arms inspector who debunked the WOMD lie. Recent results of his inquest "raised serious questions" about the manner in which he died.

It looks like our favorite whistle blower might have tried to get his whistle blown in Sweden.

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Sweden seeks Wikileaks founder arrest in rape case

STOCKHOLM – WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is suspected of rape in Sweden, where authorities have issued a warrant for his arrest, officials said Saturday.

The rest of the story here:

http://news.yahoo.co...weden_wikileaks

I wouldn't be surprised if the powers that be have a hand in this. It smells of a gov't set-up. Back in 2003-4, former weapons inspector Scott Ritter had been all over TV supporting Saddam and blasting the WMD claims. Then I saw on the news that he was being sought for kiddie porn accusations. Whereas the Russians just have their little annoyances killed (usually journalists), I think our side would be more likely to handle these people via character assassination to discredit them or shut them up. Yes, I am koheesti and no one has hijacked my account. Honest.

govt set up, wow who would have thought

The accusations of rape stuck for all of 6 hours, during which time they were cabled out all over the world. Amazing times...

I wonder what it is Assange did, exactly. Even the women who accused him stated in an interview with a Swedish tabloid that they did not think him a violent man.

What some people will sink to just for MONEY.

That has many connotations, know what I mean?

Not really. There are too many possibilities.

Here we go again...

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Sweden reopens WikiLeaks founder rape investigation

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) – A top Swedish prosecutor said on Wednesday she was reopening an investigation into rape allegations against Julian Assange, the founder of whistleblowing website WikiLeaks.

Director of Public Prosecutions Marianne Ny said she decided to reopen the investigation after further review of the case.

"There is reason to believe that a crime has been committed. Considering information available at present, my judgment is that the classification of the crime is rape," Ny said in a statement on the Prosecution Authority's website.

"More investigations are necessary before a final decision can be made," she added. She also said a preliminary investigation into charges of molestation would be expanded to sexual coercion and sexual molestation.

"The case has a high priority," she told Reuters. She declined to say whether Assange had already been questioned or give further information.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100901/ts_nm/us_sweden_wikileaks

seems to me like maybe they're is case worth investigating into people who might have an interest in dis-crediting Assange.

Ass-Angel....Lol..

He's got a great site, and I think people should fight tooth and nail to defend it.

Maybe send in the Yanks...

seems to me like maybe they're is case worth investigating into people who might have an interest in dis-crediting Assange.

Ass-Angel....Lol..

He's got a great site, and I think people should fight tooth and nail to defend it.

Maybe send in the Yanks...

Send in the Yanks? No need, the Ass-angel guy is on the run from a Euroland country's law enforcement and they can't even get their story straight as to why. When he is finally located, he will be sent to a European prison where just like Milosevic, he will mysteriously all of a sudden die. Which reminds me, imagine the outrage if Milo had died like that while in US custody? Nope, it's better to get some good Euro-proxy country to kill him off so there will be no questions about how it happened.

btw - have you noticed that when the US captures someone and sends him to a another country to be imprisoned (rendition) where it is suspected that torture or not-so-nice questioning might be involve it is a big scandal. But when the US captures someone, sends him to The Hague where he is imprisoned and murdered, er, I mean "passes away of unnatural causes", everyone is fine with it. Funny world we live in.

Hmmmm. Trouble in paradise?

I do have one question on this article. Isn't "DOMSCHEIT"-Berg an appropriate name for somebody working for Assange?

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WikiLeaks chief lashes out at media during debate

By RAPHAEL G. SATTER, Associated Press Writer – Thu Sep 30, 6:10 pm ET

LONDON – WikiLeaks editor-in-chief Julian Assange lashed out at the mainstream media during a debate at a London university Thursday, fighting back at a string of unfavorable stories that have appeared since his organization's publication of a cache of U.S. intelligence documents.

Assange's group has reportedly suffered infighting and the former computer hacker-turned-online whistle blower also faces allegations of sexual misconduct in Sweden, where some of the organization's infrastructure is based.

As WikiLeaks fell behind on its promised release of a new tranche of 15,000 U.S. intelligence reports, one former group spokesman was quoted this week as saying that the organization was becoming consumed by its confrontation with the Pentagon.

Daniel Domscheit-Berg, a German who said he recently quit as Wikileaks' spokesman over Assange's management style, told Der Speigel he had encountered problems with what he described as the Australian's obsession with attacking the U.S. government.

At the debate at London's City University, Assange disputed that Domscheit-Berg had quit, claiming he was suspended — but he refused to give details. He denied there had been a dispute over his management. "It was about a different issue," Assange said.

Assange repeated claims that his organization is sitting on a mass of classified information from countries from all over the world, but declined to confirm his publication schedule.

He accused the Wall Street Journal of participating in what he described as a "scam" to discredit WikiLeaks by publicizing the details of its e-mail exchanges with human rights groups, which reportedly expressed disquiet over the naming of informants in the Afghanistan intelligence reports it posted to the web.

Critics claim WikiLeaks may have endangered the lives of Afghan civilians and military personnel by failing to censor the files.

Assange attacked The Huffington Post website for investigating his organization's financing, and criticized Wired magazine — which recently published a report that claimed WikiLeaks was suffering from an internal power struggle that had led to the ouster of key staffers.

He also rejected claims that his group was obsessed with attacking the American military, but said "We have to deal with that country, if we are to deal — even partially — with the problem of secrecy in the world."

The WikiLeaks chief made only an oblique reference to his legal troubles in Sweden, where prosecutors are probing complaints against Assange filed by two women in August. Assange has denied the allegations, saying they are part of a smear campaign. Asked about his future plans in the Scandinavian country, Assange dodged the question, wistfully describing Sweden as a fascinating place.

WikiLeaks' site is currently down, citing maintenance issues.

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Associated Press Writer Sylvia Hui contributed to this report.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100930/ap_on_hi_te/eu_britain_wikileaks

Hmmmm. Trouble in paradise?

I do have one question on this article. Isn't "DOMSCHEIT"-Berg an appropriate name for somebody working for Assange?

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No.

Why would you ask that?

Mods: although this is an old topic it was difficult to decide in which WikiLeaks topic to post this article; I thought it was best here...?

No link between Bradley Manning and Julian Assange, say military sources

NBC News reports no collusion between Bradley Manning and Julian Assange of WikiLeaks, according to military sources

US military sources tell NBC they see no link between Bradley Manning (left) and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. Photographs: AP and AFP/Getty Images

US investigators have been unable to find evidence directly linking WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and Bradley Manning, the army private suspected of passing on confidential documents to the whistleblowing website, according to a report last night.

Jim Miklaszewski, NBC News's chief Pentagon correspondent, reported sources inside the US military as saying they could detect no contact between Manning and Assange.

According to NBC News: *

The officials say that while investigators have determined that Manning had allegedly unlawfully downloaded tens of thousands of documents onto his own computer and passed them to an unauthorized person, there is apparently no evidence he passed the files directly to Assange, or had any direct contact with the controversial WikiLeaks figure.

If accurate, then US authorities have no realistic chance of successfully prosecuting or extraditing Assange for the leak of thousands of classified documents.

NBC also reported that the commander of Manning's military jail at the Quantico US Marine base exceeded his authority in placing the private on suicide watch last week, and that army lawyers had the restrictions removed:

Military officials said Brig Commander James Averhart did not have the authority to place Manning on suicide watch for two days last week, and that only medical personnel are allowed to make that call.

The official said that after Manning had allegedly failed to follow orders from his Marine guards. Averhart declared Manning a "suicide risk." Manning was then placed on suicide watch, which meant he was confined to his cell, stripped of most of his clothing and deprived of his reading glasses — anything that Manning could use to harm himself. At the urging of US Army lawyers, Averhart lifted the suicide watch.

Story continues here:

http://www.guardian....eaks?intcmp=239

LaoPo

Thanks for the information. I think this thread is fine to post it in.

Thanks for the information. I think this thread is fine to post it in.

Thanks Scott.

It's a pity we can't discuss WikiLeaks in World or other forums anymore because either to strict in topic title or closed.

LaoPo