Pigs 101 (A Start)

[thoongfoned]

the poor mums had a busy week last week. first blood tests, parity 0 - 6. 3 of each then a couple of days later vaccine dose....... the company blood test like this every few months and vaccine "should" be about the 50 ish day

mark..... had a go on a new machine last week too, it measures back fat on the mums that we are weaning that week. hand held electronic thingie, scrap the back of the mum skin, apply gel then scan it with the attachment,

the machine shows a "traffic" light sign on one side then the fat reading on the other side. its a lot better then just using your eyes - judgment. eg. some mums I thought looked a little "thin" were "perfect" according to the

machine. the company have always been doing visual checks on the weaned mums but now this machine is doing the job. the back fat measurement is one of the many little things that go towards generating how much

the wife gets paid per piglet. im trying to get them to back fat scan the gilts before we get them now also, as some time we get some thin looking gilts that only last a short time then off to the sausage men.........

farms been plodding along with one or two births a days for a while now, tomorrow though we have sevens births............ weaning piglets tomorrow too. (78)

[Allgeier]

some mums I thought looked a little "thin" were "perfect" according to the

machine.

You can make a photo and show me (use) how a perfect sow look's like? Because sometimes i think my sow looks to fat. But if i watch video on youtube and she is not to fat.

[thoongfoned]

[thoongfoned]

some pig porn for ya.... parity 4, 2, 4 and 2. you can see the black paint on the back. ie 16 this is the body score. the farms aim is 15 - 18. these pigs piglets were weaned today.

pig under with the orange 16 on she back is due to give birth today, she is parity 9. (on her 10th litter now) the other 2 pigs are gilts, about 210 day old. not AI yet.

all pigs come to us at approx. day 200, so you can work out how old they are yourself. an average mum will have 2.6 litters a year.

[thoongfoned]

mum birthed very early this morning. 18 in total, 2 dead deformed - very small and 2 more that are not 100 percent strong, will

not make good pigs, so 14 ok on this litter. birth on day 115. mum just started out, she has 10 ish now, she is out quickly,

afew minutes between each piglet. she is day 113.

ps. we do also have our fare share of births under 10, but I don't like to talk about these.555

[Allgeier]

Thank you thoongfoned.

I have only one sow. Here are some photo's. The 115. day of the gestration should be on the 20. In 4 days.

I queck the fat like this:

In the middle from the backbone. I got down on the side about 20 cm. And if i put there a light pressure on it i should feel the ripbones.

The straw help me also to see when the birthprozess start. When she is starting walking around with the straw in her mouth. The birth will be begin soon.

[thoongfoned]

mums looking good, what parity is she, any history, ie birthing numbers, behavior traits....? just my thoughts, good to keep records.... from what I can see sows tend to birth, act the

same if you get the timing (AI) - food right.... eg. some mums are prone to sitting on piglets, some always have still born, some aggressive ect.....

good luck with the birth hope she is out in the day time, I was up in the farm till just after 2am this morning, gilt birthing. very good mum!

[thoongfoned]

said gilt that was out last night-this morning. birthed 18. 1 dead, first one out! 17 alive, 7 girls 10 boys, average 1.5kg. a little

on the light side but she did have afew! if have any births today I will split her litter up a little. generally the farm is birthing more girls then boys over the past six months, before we always had

more boys.

[liverpool fc]

Hi everyone I've just started a small pig farm near buriram and was wondering where could I buy a couple of good quality gilts?

[snowandpigs]

hi ,, if anyone interested i have a well breed 100% pure landrace boar and 100%pure duroc weaners for sale ,,the L.R Boar is near 8 months and just starting trianing for A.I ,, he is of a very good temprament a nice nature ,is a good looking pig, his breeding is from betagrow sow with ponchantor stud farm boar sperm ,, he has been grown as backup for our 14month old L.R boar with exactly same breeding line ,as we have no problems and very happy with stumpy's proformance young P.K is supplus to our requirements ,, i'm asking a very realistick price in 20,000baht ,viewing welcome ,,,, ,,as mentioned above i also have a litter of pure duroc for sale ,, both boars and sows at the moment ,, they wwill be ready at 6 weeks old early next month ,,sow breeding is from asia farm udon/boar from ponchantor stud farm ,both parents can be viewed ,, i have priced these at resonible 4000baht ,,, all inquiries welcome and anyone new to pig farming or thinking of starting be glad to help anyway if can ,,, ,i am based in Bandung,, regards chris

[thoongfoned]

well had a bonus last night, parity 7or 8mum gave birth to 20 alive and one mummy piglet. most are small and will be hard work to maintain but the farm has not had a 20 for well over

one and half years......... this mum has always given about the 15 mark, and does not AI very well. just hope her milk is good...........

[Allgeier]

1/2 year highlight last week. The sow give birth.

[snowandpigs]

1/2 year highlight last week. The sow give birth.

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hi ,, well done ,, piglets look very happy and content,always nice to see a new litter ,cheers for update on how sow got on ,,cheers chris

[Allgeier]

Today a salesman from

http://tfg.co.th/th/tfg_business/swine

visited me. The Name from the Company is "Sunflower" Anybody know this Company?

I am normaly happy with SPM, because the Salesman catch also the pig after. But it's all the time good to drive more than an one wheel.

[highlander403]

advice needed which i never thought i would have to ask for about pigs mrs highlander has just bought/bartered 2 small just weaned piglets she has a small concrete enclosure 6ftx 6ft with earth floor, i would of thought a concrete one or one with slats

would of been better and easier to clean etc.

any advice on what to be feeding them would also be appreciated, i boiled up some veggies and they ate it within a couple mins.

i can see problems ahead but mrs thinks they are sooo cute dont think she realises the work involved if she is going to let them grow big.

and i dont want them to suffer in any way, that is until it is time 4 moo haan

regards scotty

[Allgeier]

highlaender:

The feedcompanys selling feed for pig. This is the easierst way to feed a pig. Inside the feed is everythink what a pig need to grow. This is my opinion.

But my question is:

If i like to have in the future every month two sow to give birth at the some day. How i can bring them on the some day in heat? There is a injektion to bring them in heat or how the big company's handle this?

If i have 2 on the some day maybe can interchange the piglet's when one have more then the another one.

Good idea or not? Or a another solution.

[thoongfoned]

highlaender:

The feedcompanys selling feed for pig. This is the easierst way to feed a pig. Inside the feed is everythink what a pig need to grow. This is my opinion.

But my question is:

If i like to have in the future every month two sow to give birth at the some day. How i can bring them on the some day in heat? There is a injektion to bring them in heat or how the big company's handle this?

If i have 2 on the some day maybe can interchange the piglet's when one have more then the another one.

Good idea or not? Or a another solution.

the sows will generally come into heat every 19 -21 days, if all is well... have mums in the farm that are parity 9 or 10 and have always come into heat like this. but then you will always get

some that skip a cycle or 2. all to do with how well the mum is and the environment ect... I would say that just under ten percent of mums per month will miss a cycle or be a little late or just

not come into heat in the wifes farms. you just have to play the waiting game with them..... or cull them.

say that you have a mum that is nursing her litter now, say day 10. say that you have gilts that you are checking for signs of heat every day, say you see a gilts come into heat today, first time she has shown standing heat ect... say day 185 old.(gilt) go through the motions with said gilt and bring the boar to her twice a day, check how long she is in heat for.... now you "should" have a gilt that will be in heat again in 21 ish days, give or take.

keep the mum with her piglets for another 15 or 16 days,then move she away from them (piglets), all being well she will come into heat in the next 3 or 4 days (again depends on her condition, past history ect....) this way if all is well with both sow and gilt they "should" "could" come into heat at the same ish time.

for me its a numbers game, that does and will turn into a how much money and how much time you want to spend on said "project" the more pigs you have the better chances you will have in say having multi births per day, having said mums always birthing together.

there are injections that you can use to try and bring the gilts or sows into heat, but at the end of the day its best to let them come into heat in their own time. (my thoughts)

example: wife gets new gilts once or twice a month, usually 10 or so at a time. always 200 ish days old. should be 140kg. ok- to my mind IF the gilts have been heat checked properly all the gilts will come into heat in the next 21 days, because you would not have brought them in a production farm with out being in heat at least once already....... cost issues ect....... if some of these gilts do not come into heat in the first 30 days in the farm I will give them a shot of "stuff" will get name. to bring them into heat, this med will also induce them if they are pregnant.

this can but not all the time make them come into heat, about 50 percent will come into heat using this, but maybe they would have come into heat anyway??? who knows? the gilts will get 40 days give or take once in the farm to come into heat...........

if you spend time with the gilts and show them the boy every day ect you will start to know the signs of a gilt that will work for you or one that will just eat food and cost you money and time.

for me the more births per day is better because its helps to even things out, plus if you get a mum who milk is not all that it can and does saves litters... if spotted early enough.

again all above are just my thoughts...............

[thoongfoned]

that stuff........ Lutalyse. 30ml bottle. made by Zoetis. sorry no idea on cost..... inject in to the wall of the virgina 1ml should do the trick. loads of instructions with this med.

[highlander403]

advice needed which i never thought i would have to ask for about pigs mrs highlander has just bought/bartered 2 small just weaned piglets she has a small concrete enclosure 6ftx 6ft with earth floor, i would of thought a concrete one or one with slats

would of been better and easier to clean etc.

any advice on what to be feeding them would also be appreciated, i boiled up some veggies and they ate it within a couple mins.

i can see problems ahead but mrs thinks they are sooo cute dont think she realises the work involved if she is going to let them grow big.

and i dont want them to suffer in any way, that is until it is time 4 moo haan

regards scotty

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[thoongfoned]

advice needed which i never thought i would have to ask for about pigs mrs highlander has just bought/bartered 2 small just weaned piglets she has a small concrete enclosure 6ftx 6ft with earth floor, i would of thought a concrete one or one with slats

would of been better and easier to clean etc.

any advice on what to be feeding them would also be appreciated, i boiled up some veggies and they ate it within a couple mins.

i can see problems ahead but mrs thinks they are sooo cute dont think she realises the work involved if she is going to let them grow big.

and i dont want them to suffer in any way, that is until it is time 4 moo haan

regards scotty

good day, I would say a concrete pad would be good. buy some of that blue netting stuff the locals put around the fish ponds ect use it like a mosquito net around the piglets pen, will stop all

insects ect going in. make sure they know where to drink water from, nipple drinkers would be good, clean water. food from the feed shop just tell them how old they are. maybe some rice straw to keep them warm, play in? check them for pooing, better to catch early then late. can buy meds at the food shop. just ask people behind the counter, mostly helpful people. if they are small hand feed them bannas, maybe buy some milk formula if they are very small. just make sure they can eat and drink.........

[highlander403]

thoongfoned. thank you very much for your detailed reply, i have already have rice straw on ground mrs highlander bought/bartered some piglet food, which

they are eating ok and drinking thanks for the advice about the meds very helpful.

pooing they are doing that nice and solid, didnt know they liked bananas but will get her to give it a go, dont think we can enclose the wee pen though.

regards scotty

[snowandpigs]

hi scotty ,, thoongfoned has given you a lot good basic advice for start ,,just a idea if you want to take it further,,, have you any pigfarms close run by farangs ,, local pigfood shop might be able to help with this info,, if so be good idea to call and ask if can go have a look and get to see first hand a set up and in lingo you can understand while shown ,,anyway hope goes well for you ,,

[highlander403]

thanks snowandpigs for the advice, but i really hope that she is not going to take it further, mrs highlander is the hug them and love them

type, think they had some pigs in her early years but i would guess as a thai the pigs welfare would come second.

once again thanks for the replies..

scotty

[snowandpigs]

hi forum ,, anyone know where to order in thailand those plastic pig herding boards ???,, can make but want the real thing , i used overseas and work a treat when herding and sorting stock ,,any help be great ,, chris

[highlander403]

thoongfoned, thanks for the tip about bananas they absolutely love them, they even fight over them if only one banana is in the pen so i give two at a time.

i now think mrs highlander has ulterior motives and wants them to have babies when they are older, i only hope they are same sex whatever that is lol

scotty

[Allgeier]

hi forum ,, anyone know where to order in thailand those plastic pig herding boards ???,, can make but want the real thing , i used overseas and work a treat when herding and sorting stock ,,any help be great ,, chris

I use the Top from the Plastikboxes. For exemple the 120 liter Box from Macro cost about 250 Bath.

Not heavy and easy to hold and it's work.

But also some word's from my last litter.

I am not so happy because the sow give birth to 20 piglet.3 come out dead, 2 the sow sit on it and 3 are to small. There not make it. And this are 8 dead piglet and i am not so happy about this.

And now are 12 left and there not to big.

And now i am thinking for what give the sow birth to 20 piglet if she can feed only 12 - 14. This is wasting energy.

In the future i should maybe look for a breed who not have more than 12 piglet. This is the first.

The second is from the first piglet to the second piglet there was more than one hour time. I injected this Oxytocin and after everything go fast. My question is:

How long i should wait between the first and the second Piglet befor i inject Oxytocin.

And the third think is this was now the fourth litter without birthcages and sure the last one. The sow bit my wife but only a little bit. But this can be also have bad ending.

The sow is a good mother but start to be a aggresive. It's not possible to go insite the box to take the piglet. When the piglet start to scream she run crazy.

Here my Questions:

- How long i should wait between the first and the second Piglet befor i inject Oxytocin?

- A breed not more than 12 Piglet

- A breed who reach 120 kg Lifewight without to be to fat.

- Is there a online ordering for Sperm or a Farm whos sending sperm around Thailand? I Like to have Large White or Landrace but could not find. The 2 Farm's around here have at this time only Duroc.

- What is with Duroc in the Motherline ? All the Time only in the Fatherline.

Maybe somebody have answer's for this Question.

Allgeier

[thoongfoned]

you gotta be happy with that 20! that is top end farrowing in this country. the trick is to be able to retain a good percent come weaning...... the wife does have mums that will nurse

wean 16 - 17 per litter when we can not move said piglets to other mums, the kg will not break any records but they are alive and onto the next stage. ie eating food.....

if that mum is angry all the time. let she out of the pen when you need to touch the piglets, then walk her back in when you have finished..

i would not use the oxytocin till nearer the end of labor. ie. gilts and upto parity 3 i would use oxy at the end of the farrowing or when you think she has finished. why? because young

mums like these should have enough "push" or power to deliver the litter themselves. old mums could and do need that little bit of help sometimes, generally i would inject 2ml at around

8 or 9 piglets born.

some mums will take an age to complet the birthing, other very quick.. say mum starts out now 10am. first one born, then nothing for say 1 or 2 hour i would just leave she be, watch

her and mmake sure she is not stuck, but most of the time the piglet will come when they come. it is not uncommon for there to be a long wait from first born to the secound ect...

average mum will birth in say 20 -30 minute intervals say first 6 or7 then a little quicker say 10 minutes between. say a good mum all done in 3 hours. but then you have the problem or

slow mums that take 12 hour - 1 day to complete, these would not be the norm though.

on deaths rates i will give you what i would expect the "bosses" farm to run at on a normal month. most births will be assisted. during the labor i would expect to loose6 percent. this

would be down to mummified, dead or deformed or piglets that are born alive but are very light, say 1kg or under. during life time in the farm. birth to 20 day i would expect a loss of

0.3 per mum. you do get good months and bad months, bad month the brithing mortality could be as high as 11- 12 percent.

sorry can not offer advise on breeding stock or gene types coz i dont know...555

[revar]

Nice 20/piglets. Best i had is 19. 17 survived

[revar]

Iv been quiet a while. This is why :

We are going to be the regional ( si kew- dan khun tod- khorat area) distributer for perfeqc feed from inteqc feed co ltd. I have used their feed for over a year now and pigs reach 100kg in 3 to 3.5 months after weaning.

We got a buyer/export network in place and batches of 10+pigs feed on perfeqc feed will be bought by our buyers if the seller .wants ( he is free to sell to others too). Batches of 50+ high quality pigs will be bought at higher prices for export.

To give you an idea: todays prices are 61thb for small batches, 64 for export pigs.

I myself made better proffit with perfeqc then with any other food. Prices are available upon request. We can deliver in the area if sufficient quantity.

200+ bags will get discounts, 320+ bags bigger discounts and we can arrange delivery outside area.

However, outside our area we can only guarantee buying

export quality pigs.

Our farm/shop is on Line, name Renofarm.

[Allgeier]

One hour after the first piglet i made a quick search on the web and there wrote about quecking the birthcanal and this was free and i inject 2 ml.

My thinking i was to late because 3 came out dead. The size from this 3 are normal. Maybe this birthprozess was to long for 20 piglet. But i am not sure. I have not to mutch expirience in this.

But when i look at this piglet today i am not happy. I am worry there not grow.

One month ago i bought 7 piglet from a friend. The sow give birth to 13 piglet and there normal or perfect.

I hope in the future i not have again more than 13 piglet in one litter. I try not to count the head. I like to count the Kilo i can sell and i have a bad feeling when look at them.

The sow is a LR with some DU insite. The boar was a LW. Maybe this was the reason.

In our village there is also a pigfarmer with 9 sow. But there sleep insite the pighouse to bring the small piglet every 2 hours the the sow to dring milk. But this is not what i want. I not like to sleep with the pig.

But the breed of them is LR with some wildpig insite and i slaugtered last week some of them for somebody else and there are to fat with 110 kg.

But there have all the time about 8 - 10 piglet in a litter.

Many question. The Time will bring the answer's. But the importends think is to manage the sow not have more than 12 piglet. In my case.