Pentagon: Ex-Gitmo detainees resume terror acts

January 14, 2009|From Mike Mount CNN

Pentagon officials say 61 former Gitmo detainees have committed or are suspected of returning to terrorism.

Dozens of suspected terrorists released by the United States from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, are believed to have returned to terrorism activities, according to the Pentagon.

Since 2002, 61 former detainees have committed or are suspected to have committed attacks after being released from the detention camp, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said at a briefing Tuesday.

The number is up since the Pentagon's last report in March 2008 when officials said 37 former detainees had been suspected of returning to the battlefield since 2002.

http://articles.cnn....ntagon?_s=PM:US

Should have just shot them in the first place because now even more truly innocent people are being killed.

why not start a round of carpet bombing while yr at it

Former US president George W. Bush and his top aides were accused Friday of covering up that many Guantanamo Bay detainees were innocent, amid fears releasing them could harm the 'war on terror'.

The allegations were made in a document by Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, once chief of staff to Bush's first secretary of state, Colin Powell, in a lawsuit filed by a former Guantanamo inmate and published by The Times in London.

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He alleged Cheney "had absolutely no concern that the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees were innocent... If hundreds of innocent individuals had to suffer in order to detain a handful of hardcore terrorists, so be it".My link

He alleged

Former US president George W. Bush and his top aides were accused Friday of covering up that many Guantanamo Bay detainees were innocent, amid fears releasing them could harm the 'war on terror'.

The allegations were made in a document by Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, once chief of staff to Bush's first secretary of state, Colin Powell, in a lawsuit filed by a former Guantanamo inmate and published by The Times in London.

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He alleged Cheney "had absolutely no concern that the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees were innocent... If hundreds of innocent individuals had to suffer in order to detain a handful of hardcore terrorists, so be it".My link

So we have the NY Times saying that Wilkerson said that Powell said that Cheney and Rumsfeld said that Bush had no concern about the detainees, who are still being held by Obama, are innocent. This causes me deep concern.

Pentagon: Ex-Gitmo detainees resume terror acts

January 14, 2009|From Mike Mount CNN

Pentagon officials say 61 former Gitmo detainees have committed or are suspected of returning to terrorism.

Dozens of suspected terrorists released by the United States from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, are believed to have returned to terrorism activities, according to the Pentagon.

Since 2002, 61 former detainees have committed or are suspected to have committed attacks after being released from the detention camp, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said at a briefing Tuesday.

The number is up since the Pentagon's last report in March 2008 when officials said 37 former detainees had been suspected of returning to the battlefield since 2002.

http://articles.cnn....ntagon?_s=PM:US

Should have just shot them in the first place because now even more truly innocent people are being killed.

why not start a round of carpet bombing while yr at it

If you can't see the difference between killing enemies caught on the battlefield and carpet bombing, then that would expain why your opinion on this subject are so way off the mark.

If the Liberals had their way, none of these guys would be killed. Those that were captured would be given a full trial like back home while the war is still in progress. Lacking any video, dna evidence, or multiple unbiased eyewitnesses to their "alleged" crimes, the terrorists would be set free. Those who were somehow found to be guilty would then have their childhoods investigated. Any who were abused or otherwise mistreated as children would not only be set free, but given a nice flat, car and gov't stipend which they would be free to spend on anything they wanted - including weapons to attack civilian targets in their home country and beyond. If caught doing this, of course would be excused because they had been mistreated therefore are entitled to more money and coddling.

They would also give them a Rolls Royce and a bag of lollipops for all their trouble.

Should have just shot them in the first place because now even more truly innocent people are being killed.

If you can't see the difference between killing enemies caught on the battlefield

Well actually this thread was about Gitmo

As such & having read your opinion many times about just killing them all rather than risk releasing any that may or may not be actual terrorist.... I wondered......

Do you know how the majority of Gitmo prisoners found their way there?

Do you think the majority were captured by US forces?

Also now that I hear your preferred method of dealing with terrorist/prisoners of gitmo proven guilty or not a few times I wondered.....

Do you feel this way uniformly?

Meaning do you feel this is the way it should be done by all countries on all suspects? Or just the way the US should do it?

Not tough in this case. You just don't realise that you made the case for killing them which wasn't your intention.

Telling others that they just dont realize their own thoughts meaning .....

They have a word for your interpretation .....Delusional

Your justification of killing 502 innocents because they may now be upset due to your injustice of wrongfully taking 9 years of their life away with an illegal incarceration & torture....Oh that's right you dont consider anything in Gitmo torture...kor tort

Your intention is even more insane than even I could imagine. Makes the classic ugly Americans sound like beauty queens

Last thought............. You work in foreign lands....If you were suddenly thrown in a room for 9 years because well say you look like someone....

You wouldn't be upset if they just killed you rather than later release you & take a chance you might be upset eh?

Last response & I will leave your merry go round now. Enjoy & hopefully you will also see the show some day or better yet the reality.

You make a lot of allegations that you have no proof of then try to base arguements on them. Was everyone at Gitmo tortured as you imply? No.

Under what circumstances were suspects captured? You would give 0% credibility to an account that they were Taliban but 100% credibility that they were innocent & minding their own business.

I'll leave you with one more thing, no matter HOW they got to Gitmo, you admit in more than one post that they are dangerous at time of release. Like I said, you make a great arguement for just killing them. Who cares if they have a good reason or not for wanting to go blow up people at the local mosque or throw acid in the face of school girls? Kill them.

Who cares if they have a good reason or not for wanting to go blow up people at the local mosque or throw acid in the face of school girls? Kill them.

...And let God sort them out?

You make a lot of allegations that you have no proof of then try to base arguements on them. Was everyone at Gitmo tortured as you imply? No.

Under what circumstances were suspects captured? You would give 0% credibility to an account that they were Taliban but 100% credibility that they were innocent & minding their own business.

I'll leave you with one more thing, no matter HOW they got to Gitmo, you admit in more than one post that they are dangerous at time of release. Like I said, you make a great arguement for just killing them. Who cares if they have a good reason or not for wanting to go blow up people at the local mosque or throw acid in the face of school girls? Kill them.

Telling me my thoughts again or just your interpretation?

If your interpretation let me set you straight as your wrong............again

I never said there may not be guilty parties. I never said all were tortured.

I did pass on the info of that TV show that stated 18 of the 520 were later found to have terrorist ties & returned to them. Although no proof of that was shown I will accept it for the sake of the argument.

I asked you some simple questions that were basically do you feel uniformly about your kill them all & not take a chance philosophy?

Meaning do you feel this is the way it should be done by all countries on all suspects? Or just the way the US should do it?

If you dont want to answer just say so.

EDIT FOR PS: Just out of curiosity I googled 520 released from gitmo

Even though I saw the show I know there are some clip artist here that while they have the hours to search silly pics do not have the faculties to look for facts themselves & call BS on everything. Or is it because calling everything you dont agree with an allegation is so much easier?

Anyway......

Here is a clip of one of the many articles you can google....This one by CNN

Peter Bergen, a national security expert and CNN analyst, notes that of the 18 people the Pentagon says are confirmed to have engaged in terrorism, only a handful of names have been released.

If one accepts that all 18 on the "confirmed" list have returned to the battlefield, that would be 4 percent of the detainees who have been released, Bergen said.

The TV show seemed pretty much credible & the googled articles pretty much support it with a range changing up to 11% in some stories.

In any case....enough to see what you want to see.

What surprises me...(well given your history not really).... Is the fact that you can only dwell on the fact that 18 or even more may return to the fight but never once notice that perhaps hundreds of innocents had a good portion their life wasted in a prison.

Then the cherry on the top for you & the other is........Kill them all...basically less to think about eh?

So again.........MY Simple Question to you is..........

Do you feel this is the way it should be done by all countries on all suspects? Or just the way the US should do it?

Pentagon: Ex-Gitmo detainees resume terror acts

January 14, 2009|From Mike Mount CNN

Pentagon officials say 61 former Gitmo detainees have committed or are suspected of returning to terrorism.

Dozens of suspected terrorists released by the United States from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, are believed to have returned to terrorism activities, according to the Pentagon.

Since 2002, 61 former detainees have committed or are suspected to have committed attacks after being released from the detention camp, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said at a briefing Tuesday.

The number is up since the Pentagon's last report in March 2008 when officials said 37 former detainees had been suspected of returning to the battlefield since 2002.

http://articles.cnn....ntagon?_s=PM:US

Should have just shot them in the first place because now even more truly innocent people are being killed.

I'm not a fan of waterboarding or torture of any kind per se....however with my cousin due for a tour in Afghanistan next April I'm having to review my thoughts on this.

It becomes a major worry when your own family are involved.

The report, released days before President Obama took office, says 18 former detainees are confirmed to have participated in attacks, and 43 are suspected to have been involved in attacks

And how many suspects were guilty terrorists who gave up the struggle after they found out that serving time at Gitmo is no picnic?

For the record, I have not said that all terrorism suspects should be killed - at Gitmo or anywhere else - or anything close to it. Putting imaginary words in other poster's mouths is so much easier than defending the indefensible wth facts and logic.

For the record, I have not said that all terrorism suspects should be killed - at Gitmo or anywhere else - or anything close to it. Putting imaginary words in other poster's mouths is so much easier than defending the indefensible wth facts and logic.

As far as I can tell none were speaking to you.

You have not added anything to the thread so....why would anyone do as you claim????

After all this is the sum total of your contributions to this thread..

Water-boarding bad.

Thousands of dead civilians much worse.

You do not seem to have any problem with radical Muslim terrorists doing it.

Hear, hear, but some would claim enlightened.

Kudos.

I would like to see some evidence that the other detainees were "innocent".

Such uncorroborated claims posted in Outside the Box have sometimes turned out to be complete hogwash.

They would also give them a Rolls Royce and a bag of lollipops for all their trouble.

...And let God sort them out?

Why so defensive? Why would you feel that I was referring to you when I mention dishonest spin?

Why so defensive?

Not at all.........Just trying to help you understand...None was speaking to you or asking your stance on detainees. The question was posed to Koheesti.

So your word in mouth idea along with your statement for the record?...

seemed odd & misplaced.

Why so defensive?

Not at all.........Just trying to help you understand...None was speaking to you or asking your stance on detainees.

Of course, of course. Why would anyone think otherwise?

Then the cherry on the top for you & the other is........Kill them all...basically less to think about eh?

After all this is the sum total of your contributions to this thread..

Water-boarding bad.

Thousands of dead civilians much worse.

You do not seem to have any problem with radical Muslim terrorists doing it.

Hear, hear, but some would claim enlightened.

Kudos.

I would like to see some evidence that the other detainees were "innocent".

Such uncorroborated claims posted in Outside the Box have sometimes turned out to be complete hogwash.

They would also give them a Rolls Royce and a bag of lollipops for all their trouble.

...And let God sort them out?

You seem to have missed a few things - all by mistake of course. This for example:

The report, released days before President Obama took office, says 18 former detainees are confirmed to have participated in attacks, and 43 are suspected to have been involved in attacks

And how many suspects were guilty terrorists who gave up the struggle after they found out that serving time at Gitmo is no picnic?

For the record, I have not said that all terrorism suspects should be killed - at Gitmo or anywhere else - or anything close to it. Putting imaginary words in other poster's mouths is so much easier than defending the indefensible wth facts and logic.

You seem to have missed a few things - all by mistake of course. This for example:

ummm no I was responding to that post so why would I quote it 2x ?

The report, released days before President Obama took office, says 18 former detainees are confirmed to have participated in attacks, and 43 are suspected to have been involved in attacks

And how many suspects were guilty terrorists who gave up the struggle after they found out that serving time at Gitmo is no picnic?

Gosh, I saw no response to this at all - just a insinuation that I had not contributed anything substantial to the thread. Just an oversight, I'm sure.

Gosh, I saw no response to this at all - just a insinuation that I had not contributed anything substantial to the thread. Just an oversight, I'm sure.

Good night Gertrude...most of us parse the post we are responding to...Sorry I am sure you thought it was an important contribution...Yet I was not responding to it..........Pretty simple....I said I was not talking to you hence none put words in your mouth.That was the part of that post I was responding to.

Are you going to also drag this thread into your standard minutia?

Carry on enjoy.....Just thought you had confused this thread with the attention whore thread in bedlam.

I'll leave you with one more thing, no matter HOW they got to Gitmo, you admit in more than one post that they are dangerous at time of release. Like I said, you make a great arguement for just killing them. Who cares if they have a good reason or not for wanting to go blow up people at the local mosque or throw acid in the face of school girls? Kill them.

yada... yada... yada... Guantanamo inmates are guilty of blowing up people in mosques and throwing acid in the faces of schoolgirls respectively they will commit these crimes after being released?

tell us one more story. if possible a more interesting one. did your ethiopian driver talk to you lately? or did a masri colleague justify the existence of Guantanamo? tell, tell... don't torture us by letting us wait too long.

and NO! the questions are not directed at Odysseus ben-G., Chuck al-D and of course not at Venturing-a-Law.

Pretty simple....I said I was not talking to you hence none put words in your mouth.

That is what you said alright, but who is buying it?

...Guantanamo inmates are guilty of blowing up people in mosques and throwing acid in the faces of schoolgirls...

Honesty is the best policy.

...None was speaking to you or asking your stance on detainees. The question was posed to Koheesti.

Mr. Flying:

I always have operated under the presumption that a post made on an open forum was available for comment by any posting member of that forum.

Are you now claiming that only those to whom a question is directed may provide a response?

Interesting,indeed.

Pay attention Chuck............Read back before you post .......

I only said none was speaking to UG in response to his statement ......because obviously he had not posted anything on topic just the usual cheer-leading.

Here let me make it easy on you..........

For the record, I have not said that all terrorism suspects should be killed - at Gitmo or anywhere else - or anything close to it. Putting imaginary words in other poster's mouths is so much easier than defending the indefensible wth facts and logic.

So .....I made that comment in reference to that post by UG

Of course both you & he are more than welcome to reply.

But for god's sake pay attention. You 2 X-pats seem like your just chasing a post count or something

Thread killers...........

Since when is agreeing with another post off topic? It is getting dangerous to enter OTB without wearing hip-boots.

Of course both you & he are more than welcome to reply.

The above quoted part of you post is all you had to say.

The rest is more of your superfluous verbiage. Thank you.

Indeed

Surely the issue for Mr Bush to answer is whether waterboarding constitutes torture.

This article gives a decent view of the situation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7138144.stm

Is it torture and therefore in breach of International law? or an 'enhanced interrogation ' technique?

Well its torture to me. Straightforward physical abuse.

To UG and flying.....its a petty argument gents.

You don't say.

Personally, I would say water-boarding is torture, but, since pretty much every army uses similar techniques when necessary, if it saves a lot of innocent lives, it is not too difficult to ignore it.