Thaksin's Lawyer Robert Amsterdam Brings Crackdown On Reds To International Criminal Court

[Pi Sek]

Frankly, most people living here don't' give a dam_n. lol

That is so true it is scary, particularly amongst those who have a vote (i.e. Thais).

[jdinasia]

I don't really think that's fair jdinasia... social issues are a significant factor in the Red Shirt movement's demands. Unfortunately this protest movement is run more by the UDD than the overall Red Shirt movement, probably due to financing providing the UDD with a louder voice.

Unfortunately, the way I see it, the UDD are not interested in social issues, but they will acknowledge them if it gains them numbers. However, they don't offer any solutions and furthermore slam Abhisit for trying to hijack 'their' cause of helping the poor. They are interested in Thaksin though.

Pi-Sek ----

Look at the topic of this thread. This isn't about social issues. The red shirt cause isn't about social issues. Many reds ARE concerned with social issues, but the red shirts themselves by the nature of their organization and contribution to Thai society are only about Thaksin.

I was calling tt out on his claims of wanting to talk about social issues, he never does. He whines about them but never addresses them at all. If they mattered to him, he'd have to address the fact that Abhisit is trying more (in the name of Thailand and the government -- not in his own name) to do more to address the real social inequality in Thailand than Thaksin ever did. I also called tt out on his support of the Thaksin issues and condemnation of the government, when during Abhisit's time in office the deaths have so far accounted for about 4% of the deaths when Thaksin was in office. (Any are too many, but when you have armed insurgents in downtown bangkok, that escalate the violence every time ... I think some are unavoidable)

The red leadership under Thaksin was counting on Thai history, that when the soldiers take the field against Thais in BKK, the government falls. That only seems to be applicable if the people being put down by the army are unarmed (as a group) .. so they (the red leadership) failed to think it through. If the reds had only been "peaceful protestors, not terrorists" as they claimed ... they could have won through peaceful civil disobedience. Instead they were armed to the teeth, and lost, even after being offered what they wanted. Early elections.

[webfact]

PM unconcerned with UDD’s move to raise lawsuit to ICC

BANGKOK, 1 February 2011 (NNT) – Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva is not worried about reports that the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) would file a lawsuit against him with the International Criminal Court (ICC) for a crime against humanity in the military cordoning operation last summer.

Showing no concerns over the issue, Mr Abhisit said UDD lawyer Robert Amsterdam has to do such a thing because he has been hired to do so. He continued that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs would definitely give clarifications with the public later on.

Towards a press query of what would happen if the ICC tried the case, he said he also had no idea. He also dismissed a news report that he also had British citizenship. He quipped back that he is holding Thai citizenship, not Montenegrin similar to ex-Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Earlier, an ICC representative explained that the ICC cannot process the case since Thailand has not ratified the treaty signed in 2000, but Mr Amsterdam explained that the case could be tried in the ICC since Prime Minister Abhisit also has British citizenship, and that the UK has ratified the ICC treaty.

Meanwhile, Acting UDD Chairperson Thida Thavornsret explained that the UDD has to file the lawsuit with the ICC because the Thai judicial system failed to investigate the case while other public organizations do not have freedom to work and are used as tools against the UDD.

Mrs Thida added that the government led by Prime Minister Abhisit and many international organizations are neglecting their duties to help the UDD. She continued that the UDD hence has to expose the truth to the world and the group will try its best to strife for democracy.

-- NNT 2011-02-01

[Buchholz]

Family of Thaksin

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Supporters of former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra watch a video conference by Thaksin's lawyer Robert Amsterdam at a Bangkok mall January 31, 2011. Amsterdam held a news conference in Tokyo saying he had petitioned the International Criminal Court to launch a preliminary investigation into "potential crimes against humanity" by Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva during "red shirt" anti-government protests in April-May, 2010.

REUTERS

Why is RA in Japan? Is he trying to use the fact that one Japanese reporter was killed to get the support of the Japanese for charging Abhisit with crimes against humanity?

Yes. He wants to rile up the Japanese to have them join in with his complaint of "genocide."

A Japanese cameraman working for Thomson Reuters, Hiro Muramoto, was among those killed on April 10. He was shot. The law firm said military snipers atop building in strategic locations fired at civilians to spread chaos and try to provoke a violent response from the protesters.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/world/01/31/11/thai-protesters-seek-international-court-inquiry-violence

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Robert Amsterdam, lawyer for former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, speaks during a news conference in Tokyo January 31, 2011. Amsterdam told the news conference he had petitioned the International Criminal Court to launch a preliminary investigation into "potential crimes against humanity" by Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva during the "red shirt" anti-government protests in April-May, 2010.

REUTERS

[Pi Sek]

I don't really think that's fair jdinasia... social issues are a significant factor in the Red Shirt movement's demands. Unfortunately this protest movement is run more by the UDD than the overall Red Shirt movement, probably due to financing providing the UDD with a louder voice.

Unfortunately, the way I see it, the UDD are not interested in social issues, but they will acknowledge them if it gains them numbers. However, they don't offer any solutions and furthermore slam Abhisit for trying to hijack 'their' cause of helping the poor. They are interested in Thaksin though.

Pi-Sek ----

Look at the topic of this thread. This isn't about social issues. The red shirt cause isn't about social issues. Many reds ARE concerned with social issues, but the red shirts themselves by the nature of their organization and contribution to Thai society are only about Thaksin.

I was calling tt out on his claims of wanting to talk about social issues, he never does. He whines about them but never addresses them at all. If they mattered to him, he'd have to address the fact that Abhisit is trying more (in the name of Thailand and the government -- not in his own name) to do more to address the real social inequality in Thailand than Thaksin ever did. I also called tt out on his support of the Thaksin issues and condemnation of the government, when during Abhisit's time in office the deaths have so far accounted for about 4% of the deaths when Thaksin was in office. (Any are too many, but when you have armed insurgents in downtown bangkok, that escalate the violence every time ... I think some are unavoidable)

The red leadership under Thaksin was counting on Thai history, that when the soldiers take the field against Thais in BKK, the government falls. That only seems to be applicable if the people being put down by the army are unarmed (as a group) .. so they (the red leadership) failed to think it through. If the reds had only been "peaceful protestors, not terrorists" as they claimed ... they could have won through peaceful civil disobedience. Instead they were armed to the teeth, and lost, even after being offered what they wanted. Early elections.

I nearly agree 100% with you, but I do separate the UDD from the Red Shirts. The way I see it, the UDD are a small part of the Red Shirts, but they have the most funding so they get the loudest voice. I call them "Red Shirts and UDD"; in your post's first paragraph, you make the distinction of "reds and red shirts". Otherwise I think we're on the same page.

I have acknowledged TT's incapacity for reasoned argument, particularly with his fabled "gof7". I'm dying to know who's on it, it's like watching a Thai soap opera (will Khun Pat and Nangsao Jamrieng get together or not?). He even suggested that I might be a contender to be part of it, although he added an "I'm not sure" disclaimer

Abhisit's actions to redress social inequalities are indeed commendable and unprecedented - yes, that includes Thaksin.

I also agree that the Red (UDD) leadership was counting on the government falling when the soldiers came out. They're still trying it now, with Jatuporn going on about a coup every few days. (I know many people in his village in Surat, by the way - they see him as a traitor and even his own Mum has publicly condemned him - but I guess, as a gof7 member, you probably have this stocked away in your propaganda library already!)

Anyway, lunchtime

[ballpoint]

She continued that the UDD hence has to expose the truth to the world and the group will try its best to strife for democracy.

"Strife for democracy", the red shirt motto.

Edited February 1, 2011 by ballpoint

[Steely Dan]

By using Amsterdam's logic with Abhisit allegedly having duel citizenship, Monetenegro citizen Thaksin Shinawattra can now be investigated and tried for crimes against humanity at the ICC since Montenegro has ratified or acceded to the Rome Statute. To paraphrase Amsterdam:

"The court has the authority to investigate and prosecute people who are citizens of countries that are its members, which Montenegro is."

Yes, he could also be tried in a Montenegro court for these crimes. They Thai authorities could file a complain or you could do it probably too.

In the grand scheme of things I would have thought the 2000+ extra-judicial killings during Thaksin's war on drugs would make a far more compelling case for Mr Amsterdam to bring before the ICC. If someone was to cross his palm with silver I'd love to hear him having to cite conflict of interest whilst knowing such a case would be a slam-dunk to win compared to the one he has taken on.

[Macmundi]

Amsterdamn should just take Taksin's money, give Taksin a kick in the nuts, and crack a smile. 'cuz in the end, thats all he will gain, so save us all this BS.

[jdinasia]

By using Amsterdam's logic with Abhisit allegedly having duel citizenship, Monetenegro citizen Thaksin Shinawattra can now be investigated and tried for crimes against humanity at the ICC since Montenegro has ratified or acceded to the Rome Statute. To paraphrase Amsterdam:

"The court has the authority to investigate and prosecute people who are citizens of countries that are its members, which Montenegro is."

Yes, he could also be tried in a Montenegro court for these crimes. They Thai authorities could file a complain or you could do it probably too.

In the grand scheme of things I would have thought the 2000+ extra-judicial killings during Thaksin's war on drugs would make a far more compelling case for Mr Amsterdam to bring before the ICC. If someone was to cross his palm with silver I'd love to hear him having to cite conflict of interest whilst knowing such a case would be a slam-dunk to win compared to the one he has taken on.

The ICC would still not have jurisdiction. They would have stronger cause to go after him though. Then again the terrorism charges against Thaksin don't bode well if even one Red shirt is convicted on those charges.

[SomTumTiger]

I don't really think that's fair jdinasia... social issues are a significant factor in the Red Shirt movement's demands. Unfortunately this protest movement is run more by the UDD than the overall Red Shirt movement, probably due to financing providing the UDD with a louder voice.

Unfortunately, the way I see it, the UDD are not interested in social issues, but they will acknowledge them if it gains them numbers. However, they don't offer any solutions and furthermore slam Abhisit for trying to hijack 'their' cause of helping the poor. They are interested in Thaksin though.

Pi-Sek ----

Look at the topic of this thread. This isn't about social issues. The red shirt cause isn't about social issues. Many reds ARE concerned with social issues, but the red shirts themselves by the nature of their organization and contribution to Thai society are only about Thaksin.

I was calling tt out on his claims of wanting to talk about social issues, he never does. He whines about them but never addresses them at all. If they mattered to him, he'd have to address the fact that Abhisit is trying more (in the name of Thailand and the government -- not in his own name) to do more to address the real social inequality in Thailand than Thaksin ever did. I also called tt out on his support of the Thaksin issues and condemnation of the government, when during Abhisit's time in office the deaths have so far accounted for about 4% of the deaths when Thaksin was in office. (Any are too many, but when you have armed insurgents in downtown bangkok, that escalate the violence every time ... I think some are unavoidable)

The red leadership under Thaksin was counting on Thai history, that when the soldiers take the field against Thais in BKK, the government falls. That only seems to be applicable if the people being put down by the army are unarmed (as a group) .. so they (the red leadership) failed to think it through. If the reds had only been "peaceful protestors, not terrorists" as they claimed ... they could have won through peaceful civil disobedience. Instead they were armed to the teeth, and lost, even after being offered what they wanted. Early elections.

I nearly agree 100% with you, but I do separate the UDD from the Red Shirts. The way I see it, the UDD are a small part of the Red Shirts, but they have the most funding so they get the loudest voice. I call them "Red Shirts and UDD"; in your post's first paragraph, you make the distinction of "reds and red shirts". Otherwise I think we're on the same page.

I have acknowledged TT's incapacity for reasoned argument, particularly with his fabled "gof7". I'm dying to know who's on it, it's like watching a Thai soap opera (will Khun Pat and Nangsao Jamrieng get together or not?). He even suggested that I might be a contender to be part of it, although he added an "I'm not sure" disclaimer

Abhisit's actions to redress social inequalities are indeed commendable and unprecedented - yes, that includes Thaksin.

I also agree that the Red (UDD) leadership was counting on the government falling when the soldiers came out. They're still trying it now, with Jatuporn going on about a coup every few days. (I know many people in his village in Surat, by the way - they see him as a traitor and even his own Mum has publicly condemned him - but I guess, as a gof7 member, you probably have this stocked away in your propaganda library already!)

Anyway, lunchtime

I wish more posters were as thoughtful and insightful as you both. Bravo!

[Pi Sek]

I wish more posters were as thoughtful and insightful as you both. Bravo!

Gimme a break, dude I'm as bad as the rest!

[SomTumTiger]

I wish more posters were as thoughtful and insightful as you both. Bravo!

Gimme a break, dude I'm as bad as the rest!

You are not on my ignore list, so that is obviously not true, lol.

[whybother]

Amsterdam told the news conference he had petitioned the International Criminal Court to launch a preliminary investigation into "potential crimes against humanity" by Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva during the "red shirt" anti-government protests in April-May, 2010.

REUTERS

What are "potential crimes against humanity"?

[whybother]

I have acknowledged TT's incapacity for reasoned argument, particularly with his fabled "gof7". I'm dying to know who's on it, it's like watching a Thai soap opera (will Khun Pat and Nangsao Jamrieng get together or not?). He even suggested that I might be a contender to be part of it, although he added an "I'm not sure" disclaimer

Does that mean it's only a "gof6.5" ??

[rubl]

From a newsflash:

Mrs Thida added that the government led by Prime Minister Abhisit and many international organizations are neglecting their duties to help the UDD. She continued that the UDD hence has to expose the truth to the world and the group will try its best to strife for democracy.

I guess it's really time to separate red-shirts and UDD like Mrs Thida does.

Red-shirts for social justice and UDD for 'free our leaders'

Anyway I wonder which International Organisations are neglecting their duties to help the UDD. Would Mrs. Thida care to name a few, and maybe also explain at least a bit why those organisations would have a 'duty' to help the UDD?

[Pi Sek]

I have acknowledged TT's incapacity for reasoned argument, particularly with his fabled "gof7". I'm dying to know who's on it, it's like watching a Thai soap opera (will Khun Pat and Nangsao Jamrieng get together or not?). He even suggested that I might be a contender to be part of it, although he added an "I'm not sure" disclaimer

Does that mean it's only a "gof6.5" ??

Not bad, but not as good as Hanuman1's or Abhisit's!

edit - add link

Edited February 1, 2011 by Pi Sek

[jdinasia]

"trying to provoke a violent response from the protestors"? I guess Amsterdam missed the molotov cocktails thrown by the protestors the day before and again that morning ........

[SICHONSTEVE]

Interviewer: "Are these protesters being paid to protest?"

Amsterdam: Absolutely not! I haven't even heard this as an accusation."

He then went on when pressured further to say it didn't matter if they were getting paid or not.

What a prime 'turkey' this man is (a well fed one at that thanks to his ''paymaster") - what I don't understand, is how on earth can this buffoon have got him off the hook that time in 2003 when he had about 2,500 people summarily murdered purportedly so to rid the streets of drug-related crimes (I think from memory, that 1,400 were generally accepted as being innocent and unlucky bystanders in the wrong place at the wrong time)? Can this be the (sole) reason as to why Thaksin holds him in such high regard? I mean, he must be some kind of miracle worker to get him off scott free from this "far worse" crime - in terms of numbers of innocents killed, Thaksin must surely have thought at the time that Amsterdam is akin to the 'almighty lord" himself for pulling that one off. I'm not suggesting at all that having all that money might have assisted his cause by the way, as to do so would be absolutely unethical and immoral!!! Joking apart (or am I)?? Still can't see how he did this though - not without some form of outside help and certainly not from my take of his bungled and abject performance in this interview, anyway, where he was 'eaten alive' by the interviewer (without spitting out the bones).

Do you know what? he reminds me a great deal of that other buffoon Boris Johnson - AKA 'the Mayor of London'. He even looks and speaks a little bit like him and they both have faces that I would absolutely love to punch and slap, until the blood runs free from every single horrible orifice on their ugly mugs!! A thing of dreams perhaps!!!

Absolutely nothing will come of this ill fated and pointless publicity stunt - the way things are going I think that if I was Mr Amsterdam, I might start making some steadfast preparations by finding some kind of safe and secure haven, for around Christmas time (paid for by his devoted "sugar daddy" of course)!!!

[whybother]

What a prime 'turkey' this man is (a well fed one at that thanks to his ''paymaster") - what I don't understand, is how on earth can this buffoon have got him off the hook that time in 2003 when he had about 2,500 people summarily murdered purportedly so to rid the streets of drug-related crimes (I think from memory, that 1,400 were generally accepted as being innocent and unlucky bystanders in the wrong place at the wrong time)? Can this be the (sole) reason as to why Thaksin holds him in such high regard? I mean, he must be some kind of miracle worker to get him off scott free from this "far worse" crime - in terms of numbers of innocents killed, Thaksin must surely have thought at the time that Amsterdam is akin to the 'almighty lord" himself for pulling that one off. I'm not suggesting at all that having all that money might have assisted his cause by the way, as to do so would be absolutely unethical and immoral!!! Joking apart (or am I)?? Still can't see how he did this though - not without some form of outside help and certainly not from my take of his bungled and abject performance in this interview, anyway, where he was 'eaten alive' by the interviewer (without spitting out the bones).

Do you know what? he reminds me a great deal of that other buffoon Boris Johnson - AKA 'the Mayor of London'. He even looks and speaks a little bit like him and they both have faces that I would absolutely love to punch and slap, until the blood runs free from every single horrible orifice on their ugly mugs!! A thing of dreams perhaps!!!

Absolutely nothing will come of this ill fated and pointless publicity stunt - the way things are going I think that if I was Mr Amsterdam, I might start making some steadfast preparations by finding some kind of safe and secure haven, for around Christmas time (paid for by his devoted "sugar daddy" of course)!!!

Amsterdam hasn't got Thaksin off the hook from anything. Amsterdam doesn't go into the court room. He just writes articles and white papers ... on toilet paper I think.

[Mackie]

It is obvious that RA is doing it for the money. It is ridiculuous that ICC even takes into consideration his fradulent claims. Let's put things into perspective. Thailand is independent country with its own laws and the constitution. The state of emergency is clearly defined. There are duties and responsibilities which apply to every single citizen during the emergency rule. I genuinely believe that Abhisit and his government were too soft. Softly, softly approach only encouraged red shirts militants. There is no country in the western world which would've tolerated red mob demonstrations last year. Red mob was armed, dangerous, destructive and violent. If they tried something similar in Washington DC or London, ambushing and killing British or US soldiers they would have been obliterated by Armed forces. Full stop. There is no case against Thailand/Thai Government whatsoever. Thailand is independent country and its Armed forces acted according to Thai Law and constitution of their own country. It was their duty to protect innocent Thais against the unruly mob. As simple as that.

Edited February 1, 2011 by Mladden

[Sao Jiang Mai]

Abhisit a Brit? Love it! The start of the Thailand birther movement!

[Wellington]

Interviewer: "Are these protesters being paid to protest?"

Amsterdam: Absolutely not! I haven't even heard this as an accusation."

He then went on when pressured further to say it didn't matter if they were getting paid or not.

What a prime 'turkey' this man is (a well fed one at that thanks to his ''paymaster") - what I don't understand, is how on earth can this buffoon have got him off the hook that time in 2003 when he had about 2,500 people summarily murdered purportedly so to rid the streets of drug-related crimes (I think from memory, that 1,400 were generally accepted as being innocent and unlucky bystanders in the wrong place at the wrong time)? Can this be the (sole) reason as to why Thaksin holds him in such high regard? I mean, he must be some kind of miracle worker to get him off scott free from this "far worse" crime - in terms of numbers of innocents killed, Thaksin must surely have thought at the time that Amsterdam is akin to the 'almighty lord" himself for pulling that one off. I'm not suggesting at all that having all that money might have assisted his cause by the way, as to do so would be absolutely unethical and immoral!!! Joking apart (or am I)?? Still can't see how he did this though - not without some form of outside help and certainly not from my take of his bungled and abject performance in this interview, anyway, where he was 'eaten alive' by the interviewer (without spitting out the bones).

Do you know what? he reminds me a great deal of that other buffoon Boris Johnson - AKA 'the Mayor of London'. He even looks and speaks a little bit like him and they both have faces that I would absolutely love to punch and slap, until the blood runs free from every single horrible orifice on their ugly mugs!! A thing of dreams perhaps!!!

Absolutely nothing will come of this ill fated and pointless publicity stunt - the way things are going I think that if I was Mr Amsterdam, I might start making some steadfast preparations by finding some kind of safe and secure haven, for around Christmas time (paid for by his devoted "sugar daddy" of course)!!!

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with your "sketch" of A,

I think it quite intolerable that you should link Boris who is not only English,but a terrific personality and has great intelligence.

He writes brilliantly in The Telegraph, and I never miss an article.

To compare him with Amsterdam is akin to comparing butter with margarine

So please leave him out of this sordid business.

One is true,the other is phony.

Boris speaks english properly, a rarity these days, and A speaks a sort of mid atlantic waffle.

[Buchholz]

From a newsflash:

Mrs Thida added that the government led by Prime Minister Abhisit and many international organizations are neglecting their duties to help the UDD. She continued that the UDD hence has to expose the truth to the world and the group will try its best to strife for democracy.

Anyway I wonder which International Organisations are neglecting their duties to help the UDD. Would Mrs. Thida care to name a few, and maybe also explain at least a bit why those organisations would have a 'duty' to help the UDD?

Neither the International Aryan Brotherhood nor al-Qaeda have come to the assistance of their fellow extremists AKA "international organizations are neglecting their duties to help the UDD."

Keep on "strifing", Thida... you'll get there.

[ballpoint]

What a prime 'turkey' this man is (a well fed one at that thanks to his ''paymaster") - what I don't understand, is how on earth can this buffoon have got him off the hook that time in 2003 when he had about 2,500 people summarily murdered purportedly so to rid the streets of drug-related crimes (I think from memory, that 1,400 were generally accepted as being innocent and unlucky bystanders in the wrong place at the wrong time)? Can this be the (sole) reason as to why Thaksin holds him in such high regard? I mean, he must be some kind of miracle worker to get him off scott free from this "far worse" crime - in terms of numbers of innocents killed, Thaksin must surely have thought at the time that Amsterdam is akin to the 'almighty lord" himself for pulling that one off. I'm not suggesting at all that having all that money might have assisted his cause by the way, as to do so would be absolutely unethical and immoral!!! Joking apart (or am I)?? Still can't see how he did this though - not without some form of outside help and certainly not from my take of his bungled and abject performance in this interview, anyway, where he was 'eaten alive' by the interviewer (without spitting out the bones).

Do you know what? he reminds me a great deal of that other buffoon Boris Johnson - AKA 'the Mayor of London'. He even looks and speaks a little bit like him and they both have faces that I would absolutely love to punch and slap, until the blood runs free from every single horrible orifice on their ugly mugs!! A thing of dreams perhaps!!!

Absolutely nothing will come of this ill fated and pointless publicity stunt - the way things are going I think that if I was Mr Amsterdam, I might start making some steadfast preparations by finding some kind of safe and secure haven, for around Christmas time (paid for by his devoted "sugar daddy" of course)!!!

I hate people who sit on the fence and beat about the bush. Come on SICHONSTEVE, open up and let us know what you really think of him.

[animatic]

Amsterdam told the news conference he had petitioned the International Criminal Court to launch a preliminary investigation into "potential crimes against humanity" by Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva during the "red shirt" anti-government protests in April-May, 2010.

REUTERS

What are "potential crimes against humanity"?

It means he isn't sure, but he wants to make the charge anyway.

Really top shelf lawyering. What a yahoo.

[animatic]

What a prime 'turkey' this man is (a well fed one at that thanks to his ''paymaster") - what I don't understand, is how on earth can this buffoon have got him off the hook that time in 2003 when he had about 2,500 people summarily murdered purportedly so to rid the streets of drug-related crimes (I think from memory, that 1,400 were generally accepted as being innocent and unlucky bystanders in the wrong place at the wrong time)? Can this be the (sole) reason as to why Thaksin holds him in such high regard? I mean, he must be some kind of miracle worker to get him off scott free from this "far worse" crime - in terms of numbers of innocents killed, Thaksin must surely have thought at the time that Amsterdam is akin to the 'almighty lord" himself for pulling that one off. I'm not suggesting at all that having all that money might have assisted his cause by the way, as to do so would be absolutely unethical and immoral!!! Joking apart (or am I)?? Still can't see how he did this though - not without some form of outside help and certainly not from my take of his bungled and abject performance in this interview, anyway, where he was 'eaten alive' by the interviewer (without spitting out the bones).

Do you know what? he reminds me a great deal of that other buffoon Boris Johnson - AKA 'the Mayor of London'. He even looks and speaks a little bit like him and they both have faces that I would absolutely love to punch and slap, until the blood runs free from every single horrible orifice on their ugly mugs!! A thing of dreams perhaps!!!

Absolutely nothing will come of this ill fated and pointless publicity stunt - the way things are going I think that if I was Mr Amsterdam, I might start making some steadfast preparations by finding some kind of safe and secure haven, for around Christmas time (paid for by his devoted "sugar daddy" of course)!!!

Amsterdam hasn't got Thaksin off the hook from anything. Amsterdam doesn't go into the court room. He just writes articles and white papers ... on toilet paper I think.

No he hasn't done more than be a PR flack in lawyers livery.

At the time or about then he was attempting, unsuccessfully

to get Kordokovsky off in Russia for the typical oligarchic charges,

Mr, K is serving a pant load of time right now.

Chalk up another profit center for Amsterdam

who is no longer profitable.

Edited February 1, 2011 by animatic

[rubl]

Thai crackdown on 'red shirts' planned years ago, report alleges

The Thai government's crackdown on 'red shirt' protesters last spring was planned nearly four years in advance and modeled on the 1989 Tienanmen Square massacre, a report contends, saying Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva approved military force against unarmed civilians.

Just now another protest leader is alleging "The government has a three-stage plan to disperse the protest outside Government House". Oh ... ah ... wrong color shirt, sorry. Of course when a plan is good re-use it

[rubl]

Amsterdam hasn't got Thaksin off the hook from anything. Amsterdam doesn't go into the court room. He just writes articles and white papers ... on toilet paper I think.

No he hasn't done more than be a PR flack in lawyers livery.

At the time or about then he was attempting, unsuccessfully

to get Kordokovsky off in Russia for the typical oligarchic charges,

Mr, K is serving a pant load of time right now.

Chalk up another profit center for Amsterdam

who is no longer profitable.

It seems other people also have similar ideas about RobertA.

"Lawyer Robert Amsterdam is simply "deceiving a billionaire" for the money he can earn by filing a case with the International Criminal Court (ICC) against the government under Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva for alleged crimes against humanity during the red-shirt protest in April-May last year, Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban said on Tuesday."

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Robert Amsterdam, legal advisor to former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra

[animatic]

Damned Hamster or legal weasel only his thaksidermist knows for sure!