What Is The Current International Internet Bandwidth Of Thailand?

[otissp]

I'm really curious what the current total international bandwidth of thailand is....

This website hasn't updated in about 6 months:

http://internet.nectec.or.th/webstats/bandwidth.iir?Sec=bandwidth

Anyone know anywhere else to get data?

I think we all know things are improving dramatically from where they were 5 years ago, but for some reason I'm itching to see some numbers.

Recently I see fiber optic lines claiming 50 mbps are available in some condos in BKK.... would be great to have that

[lomatopo]

Not sure about current aggregate international bandwidth; I did a quick search and couldn't find anything recent.

True Online did announce, 30 June 2010, Ultra-High Speed 30/50 Mbps using VDSL to select locations in Bangkok.

http://www2.truecorp.co.th/en/pc_press_detail.aspx?id=1180

However, the links are dead so not sure what's up with the service. A few TV members have/had it and were generally pleased.

http://www.trueonline.com/ultrahispeed <-- used to work, dead now

[Pib]

Recently I see fiber optic lines claiming 50 mbps are available in some condos in BKK.... would be great to have that

That's now being outdone by True "cable" internet/TV and at a cheaper price. True is calling it UltraSpeed internet...guess it started going operational late last year in select locations around Thailand, primarily here in Bangkok. Speeds for their cable internet ranges from 100Mb down/1Mb up at 699 Baht up to 100Mb down/10Mb up at 4,499 baht. They are stringing cable internet/TV in my western Bangkok moobaan as we speak...will go operational mid March in my moobaan. Here's a couple of Thai sites talking about the promotion....you probably have to turn-on Google Translate. The first link has a typo in it regarding the up speed for the 10Mb/1Mb package (they meant to say 1Mb up). Can't find anything about UltraSpeed on the True website, but the UltraSpeed product is definitely out there and expanding everyday, like to my moobaan.

http://www.krongchai...d-Internet.html

http://gimyong.com/t...hp?topic=3375.0

This link takes you to a blog where people have been posting some of their UltraSpeed results.

http://www.adslthail...?t=41548&page=2

I'm probably going to go with their 20Mb down/2Mb up package at 1,299 Baht/mo. Here's a post showing a speed result for that package:

http://www.adslthail...3467#post163467

I did find another site when googling a few days ago that listed in English the areas/sois the true cable internet is now available (mostly areas/sois in Bangkok) but I can't find it now...but I'm still looking.

[Pib]

Can't find the link in English I was looking for/found before, but below is a Google Translate version from a post which may come close enough ballpark translation-wise to give some of you an idea where in Bangkok the 100Mb UltraSpeed cable internet (up to 100Mb) is now available. It's also available in selecte areas of Korat, Khon Khan and Chiang Mai. You need to contact True for more details/specific locations.

Google Translate***********************************************************

Bangkok areas that can provide Internet Hi-Speed ADSL Cable Modem.

Sukhumvit (Soi) 2,3,4,6,8,10,11,12,13,15,17,19,21,22,23,24,26,27,30,31,33,35,36,. 39,41,43,45,47,49,53,71,77,101 / 1103111117.

Lat Phrao (SOI) 1,3,4,8,10,12,15,18,20,23,24,25,26,31,35,36,38,48,53,64,69,71,72,. 80,87,91,92,94,95,96,102,110,112,142.

Hospitality (SOI) 3,4,5,6,7,8,10,11,12,13,15,17,19,21.

Development (SOI) 21,39,40-48,55,59,61,63,69,74.

Pracha (SOI) 48,50,52,54,63,67,71,73,75,77.

Phaholyothin (SOI) 19,23,24,30,33,35,37,54,56,60.

Dan (SOI) 11,14,21,38,39,47,50,60.

Phet Buri (SOI), 15,19,27,30,35,36,39.

Ekachai (SOI) 30,34,44,46,54,59.

Nut (SOI) 38-53,56,58,59-59 / 1,70.

Thonglor (Soi) 1-19/4, 21,49 / 4-49/14.

Ram (SOI) 30,39,55,61,65,67.

Ratchadapisek (SOI) 32,36,42,48.

Srinakarin Soi 24 and Soi.

Bang Bua Thong (village) Chantima Thani / Por welfare / Porn Mali / Laddarom. 2 / Chonlada / Chor. Rungruang / Chaiyapruek / M. The metabolic Floral Park / Bangbuathong Villa / Pat as torture. Ecological Lagoon / Pat as torture ecological park Gold / Bu Fri, Prince / Hong pedigree / moon gold / Krisada City / PhD Lada / trees bamboo yellow / Ratana Works Bed Wet / Banking Kan / Kao Ratana. T / Pa Wan / Paint Perfect. Park / honest / Ubon national / natural / Crystal Townhomes.

Rat Burana / Ekachai (village) Wisetsuk City project 18 / Prachasuk City / Rachawadee project 2 / Alice Tea Place / Mot peace garden and canal Mot / Proctor Mena Dog Home - School / Country Chicha. Club / Sinthawee Villa / Vichit City / Sinthawee Ngamcharoen / some of the Island / Best Land Villa /

House drama / Housing Thonburi Somnuk Sriwilai / house share BANGKOKMETROPOLITA Villa / Tha extensively cross / Nusasiri.

Korat, Khon Kaen, Chiang Mai province.

http://www.promotion...4% E0% B9% 88-699 /.

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[TheyCallmeScooter]

speedtest.net tests Capacity Speed (as does the TV test, I believe) and whilst it's easy to understand why TrueOnline loves to use a Capacity Speed test for their advertising, the reality is that Capacity testing the connection is close to worthless if you're interested in testing the Actual speed of the connection.

A friend of mine has been ranting about this for months. He lives in a Sansiri / True partnership condominium and is paying 6000 bt/month for advertised 50Mbps/20 connection. Speedtest.net will show 50Mbps speeds for his connection to Bangkok servers. Couple of problems with that, however:

- as stated, Capacity testing is worthless as it doesn't measure packet flow and data loss.

- the Internet isn't hosted in Bangkok and TrueOnline's cables to the Eastern seaboard and Europe are lol.

He's paying for 50Mbps/20 in a TrueOnline-branded building. This is his Actual Internet speed (tested with Application tests - the only accurate measure of Internet speed) - he can't watch YouTube, he got cut off on a choppy Skype call the other day, and I laughed as Grooveshark advised him to go with the low quality audio, because his Internet (idle aside from Grooveshark radio) couldn't handle the high-quality audio stream 555

I can't wait to tell him True has 100Mbps so he can get maybe 2Mbps average downloads now. He's going to lose his freaking mind lol....

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Not sure about current aggregate international bandwidth; I did a quick search and couldn't find anything recent.

True Online did announce, 30 June 2010, Ultra-High Speed 30/50 Mbps using VDSL to select locations in Bangkok.

http://www2.truecorp...il.aspx?id=1180

However, the links are dead so not sure what's up with the service. A few TV members have/had it and were generally pleased.

http://www.trueonline.com/ultrahispeed <-- used to work, dead now

http://www.trueonline.com/en/VDSL.aspx

lolololollll

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[negreanu]

Your friend needs to get his line checked by True. OR he is using a wireless B or N network that cant give the throughput of the full 50mb. Powerline Adaptors or Ethernet direct at these speeds.

Current Wireless network technology just does not do it great unless your wireless N in the same room as the router but even then the speed difference on true 50mb VDSL2 is light and day when connected direct to the router.

Here is what he should be getting more or less 24/7:

http://www.thaivisa...._1#entry3860233

Edited February 16, 2011 by negreanu

[negreanu]

Sukhumvit (Soi) 2,3,4,6,8,10,11,12,13,15,17,19,21,22,23,24,26,27,30,31,33,35,36,. 39,41,43,45,47,49,53,71,77,101 / 1103111117.

Just called them to order in 2 different locations in 2 of the above listed soi's "sorry not available" I replied your website says it is.

Her reply it is available but now its full already....... God I hate true customer service.

Nothing to do with the fact i Have their VDSL2 product already and want to change to the cheaper 100mb Cable product. - Makes you wonder

Edited February 16, 2011 by negreanu

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Your friend needs to get his line checked by True.

555 What a brilliant idea! I'm sure he hasn't even remotely thought of doing that lol. I'll pass your advice onto him straight away, no doubt he will be very pleased to hear such original and unique problem-solving brainstorming.

It's been months he's been ranting about it. I'm almost tempted not to pass on any potentially helpful advice, we derive some delightful joy out of the entire debacle and his inevitable ranting when a webpage takes 20 sec to load etc. I get CC'ed now on his routine submissions of test results to True - you can't fake those lol. I've been standing there in his new luxury condominum as he yells at Facebook loading up as if it was on a 56k modem rather than a 50Mbps connection. This is legit TiT hilarity going on there...

Here is what he should be getting more or less 24/7:

http://www.thaivisa...._1#entry3860233

Thank you! Genuinely 555 - although we may kill a man today, you and I. I daresay he's not from the 1900's, he knows what he should be getting lol. He selected the plan and is paying for it. What does that have to do with what he is actually getting?

...they're handing out G wireless routers with the service....

For paying 5,600 baht per month for a supposed 50Mbit plan, do you think they could spring for the few extra baht it takes to provide an N???

Is there a way to tell whether he has a G or N? He said there's nothing on the white cover, but he's connected directly with ethernet cable to it.

Exactly what it is. Not a Beta, Trial or anything else it is a fully released product that is not going away anytime soon. Referring to it as a trial could misinform people that the product:

1) does not work 100%

2) may end at any time or if True decide not to continue with it.

I believe the TRIAL of the TRUE VDSL2 service ended in Feb2010 before the product official launch in July.

Just to clarify for those considering it. It is a fully launched product, with support etc. and any referral to it as a trial is incorrect. Initial Phase of deployment is correct but it is no way a trial for customers.

I'm almost in tears, this is glorious stuff.

[negreanu]

negreanu, on 2011-02-16 16:43:35, said:

Your friend needs to get his line checked by True.

555 What a brilliant idea! I'm sure he hasn't even remotely thought of doing that lol. I'll pass your advice onto him straight away, no doubt he will be very pleased to hear such original and unique problem-solving brainstorming.

...... .....

Are you trying to come across as a D1ck or is it just natural ability.

Anyway off to download at 50mb some movies at 6.0MB/s Bliss

Edited February 16, 2011 by negreanu

[TheyCallmeScooter]

negreanu, on 2011-02-16 16:43:35, said:

Your friend needs to get his line checked by True.

555 What a brilliant idea! I'm sure he hasn't even remotely thought of doing that lol. I'll pass your advice onto him straight away, no doubt he will be very pleased to hear such original and unique problem-solving brainstorming.

...... .....

Are you trying to come across as a D1ck or is it just natural ability.

Anyway not that I give a sh1t about you or your friend but off to download at 50mb some movies at 5.0MB/s

Come on, dude lol. Do you think he hasn't yet thought to tell True about it? It's all he ever talks about 555

Think about your suggestion, come on - your statement is hilarious...

[negreanu]

I know several users on the 50mb and 40mb products including forum users on here all getting as advertised including me.

If true says the line is fine I reckon its a setup issue on his end simple as that.

Maybe he should ask a friend to have a look. Ah that would mean u and that would be &lt;deleted&gt; waste of time

Sounds like you have jealousy issues of his luxury condo and the ability to spend 6k on a Internet product. Sad

Edited February 16, 2011 by negreanu

[jfchandler]

True today told me I can sign up for any of their cable internet packages on my Sukhumvit soi... Yippee!!!!

I'm thinking I'll sign up for the 100 Mbps package and pay 4500 baht per month... just so I can watch Netflix's 288 Kbps video stream without it stalling...

Here's what True's 8 Mbps DSL does via direct Ethernet wiring connecting to L.A. servers on a Friday night... in the range of download speed 300 to 600 Kbps, or roughly .3 to .6 Mbps... It gets better after midnight or so, however...and much better when everyone else around these parts is sleeping.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Sukhumvit (Soi) 2,3,4,6,8,10,11,12,13,15,17,19,21,22,23,24,26,27,30,31,33,35,36,. 39,41,43,45,47,49,53,71,77,101 / 1103111117.

Just called them to order in 2 different locations in 2 of the above listed soi's "sorry not available" I replied your website says it is.

Her reply it is available but now its full already....... God I hate true customer service.

Nothing to do with the fact i Have their VDSL2 product already and want to change to the cheaper 100mb Cable product. - Makes you wonder

Did you ever end up being allowed to change, negreanu?

I get the 100MB cheaper (and VASTLY more secure, or should I say, secure-able than the master > slave VDSL setup - at least, for those with the slaves) hi-speed cable advertised to my building, and even on my (VDSL2) bills. Yet I'm continually told it's not available in my area, but perhaps, some time in the future. Of course I live fairly smack in the middle of the above available area range, in a fairly huge condominium.

Well, that's not entirely true. About being continually told it's not available. There was, this one time, when I was requesting a non-corrupted VDSL modem from True - who happen to be (to the best of my knowledge) the only people I can possibly get a replacement VDSL modem from (as Billion and XyZEL won't sell me one, and I cannot find one that works for sale, or someone willing to sell me one, in any case - and I've paid for a few...)...there was this one time in the middle of a 3-month period of my pleading with True to SELL me a clean replacement VDSL modem (ongoing wait), this one time I was told the 100Mbps plan was available. How about that. I certainly was floored to hear this, and to avoid any misunderstanding and time-wasting, I explained I'd been told unequivocally a dozen times that it was not available to this building (which is an almost-unexplainable peculiarity, in and of itself, considering it's a TrueCorp / Sansiri flagship "high-tech, Welcome to Innovation" building). In fact, there would literally be no other building in Thailand, which could more rightfully claim to be TrueCorp's "flagship" residential condominium (for technology).

http://www2.truecorp...type=an〈=en (direct download link - PDF)

True Group also targets the hi-end segment. In 2009, we launched the "Ultra Broadband" service for the first time in Thailand. The first project was at a Sansiri condominium, "SIRI at Sukhumvit", and offered a connection speed of up to 30 Mbps, plus a Wi-Fi service at the speed of 4 Mbps. In June 2010, we launched a new Ultra Broadband package with a speed of 50 Mbps, the fastest in Thailand's consumer Broadband market. The service is now available at over 200 hi-end residential complexes in central Bangkok.

Isn't there like - laws, and stuff - about what you're allowed to claim in Annual Reports to Shareholders? Or merely laws restricting foreign shareholder %? It's okay to lie to Thais, so long as you're majority owned by them? (This appears to be TrueCorp's position, which seems...confusing. I idly wonder if any Norwegians would be interested...)

Laws or not, and despite the fact that there is emblazoned, permanent, en-glossed TrueCorp branding all over the building, on every single floor in fact...proudly claiming that each floor is a "TrueCorp 3G / Wifi Hot-spot", this building has never - ever - had any TrueWifi at all. There is a faint signal coming from the office on the first floor, but that is STRICTLY for receptionists ONLY (as I found out one day, when on the 3rd day when my normally flying 1Mbps VDSL2 internet had been cut to 0Mpbs, with True technicians unable to keep successive appointments), I fairly begged the office for an exception to be made, and would they please give me the Wifi password just one time so I could get some work done. Regrettably, no exceptions....for residents.

Anyway, it gets much stranger. True simcards don't get reception on my floor. I had to buy an AIS simcard just to use my mobile. Peculiar, for a TrueCorp / Sansiri project building touted in Annual Shareholder Reports as a high tech project building, no?

Anyway, as I was saying before I was distracted by the mind-blowing unexplainables (and I've asked for some explanations, on more than one occasion; after being effectively flatly lied to over and over, prior to moving in and discovering the truth)...there was this one time when I was told the 100Mbps plan was available after all. The very one which is advertised on my 6000 bt monthly bills, which I pay the bulk of because the Chinese and Thai and global hackers who have full control of all my systems including my HTC Desire aren't willing to foot their fair share of the bill, even though we're supposed to be sharing my bandwidth more equitably (if it's not obvious, "my friend" in the posts above = "me"....I had some reservations about the potential security implications at the time - no such concerns now, yall can have my address, if you want it - the entire world has a lot more information than that, or they have access to it, thanks to True).

Floored at discovering I'd been lied to by True, after six months of being lied to by True, in utter disbelief I told the lady True had sworn time and time again that it wasn't available. She very firmly dismissed such ludicrous ideas as that, and her supervisor called me later that she had double-checked my building and confirmed that it was - in fact - available and would I like to sign a contract for it?

Would I ever!

3 days later, a TrueCorp rep shows, requisite signed copies of passports and leasing agreements and whatnot are submitted, and I am now in possession of a signed and formalised contract which states I'm on a 100Mbps plan. This was, oh 6 weeks ago?

For the first time in many, many times - a TrueCorp technician showed up on time, to connect the 100Mbps line. Him, and FOUR (4) other TrueCorp technicians. None of the five could speak a word of English, which I only mention because all of the others could. Some, far too fluently for TrueCorp's preferences, it would seem...the prior technician and I had a very long chat about TrueCorp throttling the pipe-speeds for various applications, triggered by his asking me which applications I used most, and he'd see if he could adjust their pipe speeds. Please feel free to revise the above posts, to fairly determine my emotions at that 'discovery'.

Anyway, call me Nostradamus, but you'll have to believe me when I claim that before I let the FIVE (5) non-English speaking technicians into my apartment, I knew I was not getting connected.

I watched, for an hour, as all FIVE (5) bumbled about, pretending to do something other than the absolute nothing they were doing, subjected as they were to what I'm sure was a mixture of contempt and probably an unattractive sneer on my face - as I watched them tinker awkwardly with my TV, my cable box, various plugs and you get the picture. After an hour, I was shocked - just shocked - that a technical problem had seemingly arisen, which they couldn't explain of course, on account of my Thai being very poor. I had planned to learn it this year, but the last five months have been spent failing to secure my systems from the corrupted VDSL modems True supplied me with. With mumbled apologies and farewells in Thai, I graciously saw all five out.

This technical problem, I couldn't honestly tell you a single thing about the nature of it. No one from True have ever called to proffer an explanation for it. Rest assured, I've asked for clarification, one or 18 times. 6 weeks on, I have a contract for a connection that....isn't connected. To go with my 6 month contract for a connection that I'd be better off (4-5 months, and 9 destroyed systems, if we're being specific), if it had never been connected.

Anyway, as hard as it is to believe, things get a whole lot weirder than that. But I really only meant to ask a single question, and just got carried away. If you've made it this far, did you ever end up being allowed to change to the 100Mbps plan from your VDSL2 plan? And if you have, do you perchance still have your old modem - I'll pay a hefty sum for it, if it's serviceable. fml

[Supernova]

the prior technician and I had a very long chat about TrueCorp throttling the pipe-speeds for various applications, triggered by his asking me which applications I used most, and he'd see if he could adjust their pipe speeds.

Hardly surprising... This statement only serves to confirm my suspicion that True does indeed throttle torrents.

Thanks for sharing this info.

Edited June 19, 2011 by Supernova

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Yeah I mean after months of 1Mbps/1, I was kind of wry more than surprised when he just came out and confirmed what I had assumed to be SOP (at least for my connection) for quite some time (he was probably the 10th technician True had sent out to 'test' my line - until I put a stop to that ridiculous merry-go-round, as my computer illiteracy was forcibly transformed from COMPLETE to something less so, under duress - and I realised they were doing absolutely nothing aside from patronise my earnest idiocy, and my complaints were wasting theirs as well as my time).

I cannot think why he'd have reason to claim he could actually have such finely tuned control over a unique customer's unique applications, if it wasn't true. I had just shown him a string of sub < 1Mbps Application Speed Tests, so perhaps he felt as though he had to say something (though the others just mumbled about more tests being required at {a location elsewhere} as I sat and waited in hope, for the tests which were never carried out to eventuated into what was never going to be). As we calmly discussed it more, and I pressed for more and more details, a look came over his face like maybe he thought he was speaking too much, and his English went from perfect to decidedly rusty fairly rapidly. I've learned to quickly back off when that happens; and I blush at my reaction there for awhile in the early days, where I would try to communicate even more earnestly, assuming I was being confusing somehow. lol - Thais are so much more brilliant than they get credit for, they delight me so often with their genius (much of which I'm sure is just 2nd-nature to them, but so incredibly superior in optimality and cleverness than most "2nd natures"). Unsurprisingly, but it confused the hell out of me then, it seemed the more earnestly I tried to explain my position, the more 'confusion' I created. lol

This is really f*cked up. Being on an 8M connection, one would hope to utilize one-third of that for torrents no matter what time of day. I don't think I'm being too unreasonable here. But this excessive throttling I've experienced over the past several days is unacceptable.

Seriously man, if it wasn't because of my crap TOT line, I would never have switched over from JI-NET. Their 2M/512K ADSL service was flawless. I never once had to put up this nonsense.

I don't think that's unreasonable, but then I haven't had the opportunity to Torrent anything in 2011. I know at least you'll understand my frustrations at paying for an advertised 50Mbps/20 and getting a 1Mbps/1 line instead. I'm quite sure I raised my voice once or twice, and perhaps got frustrated at the wrong people. Of course, they worked for and were blocking the communication pathways to the right people, who deserved substantially more than exerted frustration.

I have only myself to blame, of course. I - specifically - moved from a perfectly pleasant building and a perfectly pleasant (in hindsight) ToT 8Mbps/0.5 connection, purely because I wanted faster Internet. Hilarious, looking back over the last six months, how things have developed into craziness I cannot even begin to relate truthfully, for fears of being assumed to be fabricating ludicrous tales....and, considering I kind of have evidence proving it all, for fear/s. Period.

I am genuinely considering leaving the country. I have no wish whatsoever to get into a stoush with the largest ISP in the country, but I just don't know what to make of it. I've asked True (with fairly OVERWHELMINGLY just cause) if that's what they'd like me to, and I swore to them I'd do whatever their whim desired of me. But they continue to laugh off my very genuine requests that they convey to me their wishes, in light of their failure to convey even the slightest explanations, for their technicians' actions and their - UTTER - inability / unwillingness, to SELL me a non-corrupted modem or allow me to connect to another available plan.

[Supernova]

You'd be pleased to know, just recently True had increased my speed to 10M at no extra charge. Great -- IF only I could actually use it to its full potential (or in the case of BT, a third of that 24/7). TBH, I'd rather have them reduce my 8M to 4M knowing it could be fully utilized for p2p without being subject to any form of traffic shaping. At this point, I really don't care anymore. I start all my downloads after 1 AM and hit pause as soon as the clock strikes 12 noon.

OFF-TOPIC:

What's up with the ThaiVisa servers? Proxy or no proxy, it's been slower than molasses since late last night. I'm also getting SQL errors during login. Admins please take note.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

What's up with the ThaiVisa servers? Proxy or no proxy, it's been slower than molasses since late last night. I'm also getting SQL errors during login. Admins please take note.

I hope they're not getting hacked. That seems to be the 'trendy' thing going around. Unsurprisingly, quite frankly - considering the median displayed level of knowledge, from the fine experts in this Microsoft-created world. Five months of forum posting and experts (many employed) were split down the middle between ignoring my evidence and suggesting everything was fine....and the other half recognising the evidence as 'theoretically impossible' and simply going silent (usually as obvious as a question with a screenshot asking why my ~# shred -fuvc /*/*/*/*/*/* {lolz - I <3 shred, it destroys recursion, and I do not <3 recursion} commands were doing passes in the terabytes, when my drives are clearly not Dynamic or extended, with no virtual arrays, hidden flags or mirrors or any of that crap - yet 50 unexplainable virtual drivers per ruined system, and baffling nonsensical Diskpart clues like single basic drives which aren't pagefile or boot drives, oh and the same corrupted images being deployed silently over and over).

Five months, and from 100% computer illiteracy to 90%, I solved it overnight. :glory! With a sticky Backspace key, a changed mind / terminal command, and an unintended "-" sign in front of 0x20000 when I was trying to map a memory lead that wasn't even one as I hadn't booted from DOS or whatever the stupid, glorious non-lead was. I'm fairly certain, I would have never arrived there, logically. But then recursion and virtuality give me migranes, as it is. I really needed this miracle. Unbelievable. I've been literally so full of exhuberance, I haven't even Googled whatever the hell Negative LBA is. But that's where the deployed images are. The virtual drives that contain entire mirrored volumes, which DiskPart identifies when it updates /??/{random GUID} volume boot code as "mapping to no volume on (my) hard disk"; placing the untouchable Windows PE environment frustratingly out of reach, ever-ready to render yet another failed zero-fill attempt redundant. Everything sitting in negative LBA, the entire time. And I've never once heard it mentioned, on any of the hundreds or thousands of sites where it should have it's own page or something. I don't even know what LBA is, exactly - I have only the vaguest of ideas, but I'm about to know a whole lot more.

Actually, I think you helped me out with this mess way back when...you taught me about hash coding downloads, I think? I hecka needed that lesson. Probably should have paid more attention, and maybe I'd have done some SHA hashing on the burned images rather than the ISOs fml. I think you even taught me how to do it, oh no...we ruled out my 'corrupted' Genuine Advantage CDs which I was certain were the culprits? I was close, actually. Well, in the ballpark. My TSST CDROM drivers are the culprits. They're burning these to every hard disk, every CD I burn, every flash drive, every simulated floppy...DELL changed my CDROM driver, I remember, along with a lot of other unexplained unexplainables, the day before this chaos was triggered. This is that same issue, seems like a lifetime ago.

Solved with a misclick and sticky key. Unbelievable, after 5 months of frustrated brick walls and deadends.

Sigh. Just googled it. You'd have probably heard of it. Half a million hits. I literally have never seen or heard this mentioned once, in 5 months of reading / posting.

About 443,000 results (0.18 seconds)

Security theater (backdoor ATA Master Password) : General forum

19 Jun

5 posts - 4 authors - Last post: 5 Jul

2010The ATA Master and User password are kept in a seperate negative LBA/Cylinder area on the drive (So usual lab attack methods to get at

this ...

First Google hit.

Well of course they do!! Mustn't let it ruin my glee..seems like common knowledge almost; yet so elusive for so many experts, in so many threads, for so so long...wow this is a bit OT. My bad. I'm heading out for a drink - holla!