Israeli PM Netanyahu slams Palestine's unity efforts

[Orac]

By using the term infidels I would guess you are refering to the Koran. However if you hade used the term Gentiles as in 'Tob Shebbe Goyim Harog!' or 'Kill The Best Gentiles' I would have gone for the Talmud. If on the other hand you asked which book asked specifically for non-believers to be stoned to death then that would be the Bible (Deuteronomy 17:3 to 5).

ALL of these quotes need to be considered in the context they are written though they do seem to have a common thread in being used to spread hatred and intollerance.

Interesting post. For some crazy reason i was only aware that Christian and Catholic crucify while Islam stones.

You learn something new every day.

It was only yesterday that Herr Naam put you straight on who is behind the Federal Reserve!

You really should find out more about crucifiction as well.

[midas]

It seems from what I have been reading lately that a lot of the animosity is because some posters just refuse to acknowledge that Israel can do anything wrong, it is always the Palestinians fault. Maybe if both sides were a little less hardline it would be better.

Nice thinking Wallaby but how can that be when they think like this :-

"There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies ?not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy."

Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

[Jingthing]

Peace seems unlikely in that region. So what else is new?

[kuffki]

Orac, this is the reason for forums to learn, no?

And perhaps you have not noticed but there still a number of posters who do not agree with Naam findings and continue with the nonsense

[bangkokeddy]

Glad to see your google is fixed. So if you knew, why did you ask? You are such a game player, can't you play like an adult for a change?

Actually, you are a bit off. Rabin was also a Zionist, a left wing Zionist. It was right wing Zionist who murdered that admirable left wing Zionist.

To many, Yitzhak Rabin came to symbolize Zionism.

The problem here, Rabin does not symbolize Zionism because of his peace talks. That was just the reason why he was murdered.

Can't you play like an educated adult for a change?

[Ulysses G.]

it is always the Palestinians fault

of course it is! 'cause them Pallastinans is all islamik tarrorists hoo have nuttin' else in mind than shootin' Katyushkas an slittin' zionistik throats when they is not bissy rearranging real estate in New York. they is doing that not only out of bordom butt 'cause it sez in their wholly book "thou shalt be troublemakers!" instead of livin' happily ever after on the vast lands they stoled from them poor Jews.

Yet another reason you were not considered for the "Greatest minds" list.

That and his unhealthy obsession with "Jewish" names.

[Ulysses G.]

Can't you play like an educated adult for a change?

The irony.

[Steely Dan]

I think the chances of peace for this generation went when Yitzak Rabin was assassinated.

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Who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin and why?

Is your google on the fritz?

Militant Zionists killed Rabin.

Who killed Sadat, who killed Bhutto, I could go on, militant extremists of all colours are the problem. P.S I'm surprised your 'Z' key still works with all the use it gets.

[Jingthing]

The problem here, Rabin does not symbolize Zionism because of his peace talks. That was just the reason why he was murdered.

This is what you do. You try to demonize Zionism (and the state of Israel itself) by putting all Zionists in the same boat. Rabin was most certainly a Zionist and it is despicable to suggest otherwise. You hate Zionism, don't you? You still never provided your definition of Zionism here, even though asked for multiple times. How can you hate something you can't even define? Well, I think you have defined it for yourself, but for some reason, you aren't willing or perhaps capable of articulating it for us.

I liked Rabin and hated his murderer, and I also support Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. So, let me get this straight, I'm not a Zionist then?

You see, if you are going to be throwing out the word Zionist 1000 times as a weapon of insult, you REALLY do need to define what you mean by Zionist.

Edited March 22, 2011 by Jingthing

[midas]

OK and maybe you dont like Louis T. McFadden but I think the message is more important than the messenger

" Lets focus more on Nethayahu and why any peace efforts are doomed with this man."

And dont so easily dismiss the money issues regarding these people......it is what they live for

This is not that much different to what Ron Paul is saying today ?

Anyway here are the real owners of the US federal Reserve -

1. Rothschilds of London and Berlin

2. Lazard Brothers of Paris

3. Israel Moses Seaf of Italy

4. Kuhn, Loeb & Co. of Germany and New York

5. Warburg & Company of Hamburg, Germany

6. Lehman Brothers of New York ( previously )

7. Goldman, Sachs of New York

8. Rockefeller Brothers of New York

Midas,

what are insinuating by posting this list containing exclusively irish catholic names? that the FED used to finance the IRA terrorists?

Talking about the Irish Naam some say the Israeli’s copied Irish terrorist tactics and took them to Israel or is it the same people in both places?

http://www.shalomireland.com/

Edited March 22, 2011 by midas

[bangkokeddy]

Can't you play like an educated adult for a change?

The irony.

Jimmythings words. yes, the irony.

[Naam]

Orac, this is the reason for forums to learn, no?

And perhaps you have not noticed but there still a number of posters who do not agree with Naam findings and continue with the nonsense

in this forum i learned that "my sources" who claimed the FED is owned by rich islamist Ayrabs were not fully informed. tv-member Midas' information reveals additional information. i therefore conclude that the FED is owned by Irish Ayrabs. what i still have to find out is whether these Ayrabs are Islamists or good Irish Catholics.

[bangkokeddy]

Militant Zionists killed Rabin.

Who killed Sadat, who killed Bhutto, I could go on, militant extremists of all colours are the problem. P.S I'm surprised your 'Z' key still works with all the use it gets.

Your favorite word seems to be Islamofascism, you should check what some of these people using that word have to say about Zionism.

[Wallaby]

So you are saying that because Palestinians are doing it then it's ok that Israelis do it and therefore they are both not guilty of it. Because the Palestinians don't get the same scrutiny doesn't mean the Israelis are less guilty. You can't use the excuse that 'it isn't fair that we get caught for doing it but they don't'. It just doesn't make you less guilty because someone else does the same but gets away with it.

If I was in the same position I could understand the frustration and I would also feel aggrieved, but that still wouldn't make it right.

It seems from what I have been reading lately that a lot of the animosity is because some posters just refuse to acknowledge that Israel can do anything wrong, it is always the Palestinians fault. Maybe if both sides were a little less hardline it would be better.

Stop twisting things. Israel has faced violent threats to it's very existence from the word go, so in an environment of constant war humans will occasionally violate laws and commit war crimes. Nothing excuses this, but Israel has acted almost exclusively in a retaliatory manner against an enemy who actively try to cause civilian deaths, either Israeli or Palestinian, which are just as welcome to them for propaganda purposes, hence their use of human shields, suicide bombers etc.

If you don't believe me take it from the horses mouth.

I'm not saying Israel hasn't acted in retaliation. I'm not saying there are not human shields used. I'm not a fan of the tactics used in this conflict.

What I AM saying is that it is a bit rich for some people to claim the high ground and agree with everything Israel has done yet refuse to acknoweldge any wrongdoing.

In your post you state that there are war crimes and laws violated, by both sides for sure. I think that is good to acknowledge and if more people, on both sides, acknowledged such things and moved on then things may have a chance. I agree with your post.

I'm just saying that as long as there are people on both sides that will refuse to admit any wrongdoing there isn't a chance in hades of peace, but with some give and take, on both sides, maybe......

Who knows, one can live in hope.

[Ulysses G.]

Can't you play like an educated adult for a change?

The irony.

Jimmythings words. yes, the irony.

Your words and please stop all the name calling - there are no "Jimmythings", "Zionists" or "Crusaders" posting here. Name-calling is against the rules.

[Orac]

Orac, this is the reason for forums to learn, no?

And perhaps you have not noticed but there still a number of posters who do not agree with Naam findings and continue with the nonsense

in this forum i learned that "my sources" who claimed the FED is owned by rich islamist Ayrabs were not fully informed. tv-member Midas' information reveals additional information. i therefore conclude that the FED is owned by Irish Ayrabs. what i still have to find out is whether these Ayrabs are Islamists or good Irish Catholics.

Mohamed O'Greenspan - the clue was there right under our noses.

[Naam]

Talking about the Irish Naam some say the Israeli’s copied Irish terrorist tactics and took them to Israel or is it the same people in both places?

http://www.shalomireland.com/

highly unlikely Midas and most probably a dirty lie spread by Hamas. it is a well known fact that Israelis don't use terrorist tactics. if they did, the Great White Father in Washington wouldn't tolerate that kind of behaviour.

[bangkokeddy]

The problem here, Rabin does not symbolize Zionism because of his peace talks. That was just the reason why he was murdered.

This is what you do. You try to demonize Zionism (and the state of Israel itself) by putting all Zionists in the same boat. Rabin was most certainly a Zionist and it is despicable to suggest otherwise. You hate Zionism, don't you? You still never provided your definition of Zionism here, even though asked for multiple times. How can you hate something you can't even define? Well, I think you have defined it for yourself, but for some reason, you aren't willing or perhaps capable of articulating it for us.

I liked Rabin and hated his murderer, and I also support Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. So, let me get this straight, I'm not a Zionist then?

You see, if you are going to be throwing out the word Zionist 1000 times as a weapon of insult, you REALLY do need to define what you mean by Zionist.

Its to complicated for a short definition here. Cannot be simplified in the way you like it: simply, black and white and faulty.

but if you really want, i can give you a short version: (again, please don't whinge about broken records)

short version:

Zionism is peace.

The peace after the doomsday and the downfall. Israels biggest enemy are the Zionists.

http://sites.google.com/site/jewsagainstracistzionism/home

[Ulysses G.]

I'm just saying that as long as there are people on both sides that will refuse to admit any wrongdoing there isn't a chance in hades of peace, but with some give and take, on both sides, maybe......

You keep trying this tactic, but it is not working with anyone with has read many of your posts. You throw in a mild, token rebuke of Hamas and company every once in a great while and claim to be unbiased, but consistently bash Israel at every opportunity.

Pot, kettle, black.

[Jingthing]

short version:

Zionism is peace.

That isn't a definition and is simply basically a repeat of the non-answer you provided before. The link doesn't provide a definition either. Why is this so hard for you? Something you are clearly extremely OBSESSED about, Zionism, and you can't/won't define it? Do other people find this incredibly bizarre?!? Why the dodge? (Maybe you don't want to be pinned down because you have a need to use the word as a hate weapon, if your definition is too limited for you, it takes that power away from you?)

BTW, the site link is titled Jews Against Racist Zionism. Who wouldn't be against "racist" Zionism? Maybe you have issues with comprehension but being against "racist" Zionism isn't the same thing as being against ALL Zionism or even precludes actually being a Zionist. I know to your radical camp, the line is Zionism equals Racism, but that simply isn't true. Of course there are racist Zionists, racist Jews, and racists among any all ALL people on earth. Why this obsession you have in targeting only racism from Jews?

Edited March 22, 2011 by Jingthing

[Wallaby]

I'm just saying that as long as there are people on both sides that will refuse to admit any wrongdoing there isn't a chance in hades of peace, but with some give and take, on both sides, maybe......

You keep trying this tactic, but it is not working with anyone with has read many of your posts. You throw in a mild, token rebuke of Hamas and company every once in a great while and claim to be unbiased, but consistently bash Israel at every opportunity.

Pot, kettle, black.

Where are your mild token rebukes of Israel?

I'm so sorry that wanting peace is so reprehensible to you.

Edited March 22, 2011 by Wallaby

[bangkokeddy]

Something you are clearly extremely OBSESSED about, Zionism, and you can't/won't define it? Do other people find this incredibly bizarre?!?

the irony

[kuffki]

Talking about the Irish Naam some say the Israeli's copied Irish terrorist tactics and took them to Israel or is it the same people in both places?

http://www.shalomireland.com/

highly unlikely Midas and most probably a dirty lie spread by Hamas. it is a well known fact that Israelis don't use terrorist tactics. if they did, the Great White Father in Washington wouldn't tolerate that kind of behaviour.

Agree since the Great White father in Washington is actually controlled by the Arab King and Arab King would never allow the support for Israel

So there goes that "great" theory

[Jingthing]

Something you are clearly extremely OBSESSED about, Zionism, and you can't/won't define it? Do other people find this incredibly bizarre?!?

the irony

I kind of AM a Zionist, one who liked Rabin and favors sacrifices for peace, so I would naturally be interested in the topic. What's your excuse? Also, I DEFINED it long ago so I won't bore you with a repeat. Again, what's your definition? Don't bother, it's clear now you will NEVER answer that question.

Edited March 22, 2011 by Jingthing

[Ulysses G.]

I'm just saying that as long as there are people on both sides that will refuse to admit any wrongdoing there isn't a chance in hades of peace, but with some give and take, on both sides, maybe......

You keep trying this tactic, but it is not working with anyone with has read many of your posts. You throw in a mild, token rebuke of Hamas and company every once in a great while and claim to be unbiased, but consistently bash Israel at every opportunity.

Pot, kettle, black.

Where are your mild token rebukes of Israel?

They are in my posting history, but I don't pretend that I do not prefer Israel to Hamas and other Islamic terrorists. It would make me look like a dishonest phoney.

Edited March 22, 2011 by Ulysses G.

[Jingthing]

Something you are clearly extremely OBSESSED about, Zionism, and you can't/won't define it? Do other people find this incredibly bizarre?!?

the irony

I kind of AM a Zionist, one who liked Rabin and favors sacrifices for peace, so I would naturally be interested in the topic. What's your excuse? Also, I DEFINED it long ago so I won't bore you with a repeat. Again, what's your definition? Don't bother, it's clear now you will NEVER answer that question.

"I and I and I and I." so what?

What about you? Are you Palestinian? Then I would understand your motivation better. I guess the hope for a definition of Zionism from you is really a lost cause, and yet, you will keep using that word you won't define as a weapon. Weird.

Edited March 22, 2011 by Jingthing

[bangkokeddy]

No, its not always about 'the others' and your own narcism.

Some are too obsessed with themselves so that they don't understand anything.

Edited March 22, 2011 by bangkokeddy

[kuffki]

I know its off topic but can some of the Islam scholars explain this for me please

The following is a a literal translation by Dr Sami Airabaa a professor of Sociology and an Arab-Muslim culture specialist. He has taught at Kuwait University, King Saud University

“O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.” (Sura 5, verse 51).

“And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah DESTROY them; how they are turned away!” (Sura 9, verse 30).

“And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.” (Sura 2, verse 120).

“And KILL them (the unbelievers) wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.” (Sura 2, verse 191).

“Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.” (Sura 3, verse 28).

“And guard yourselves against the fire which has been prepared for the unbelievers.” (Sura 3, verse 131)

“And when you journey in the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten the prayer, if you fear that those who disbelieve will cause you distress, surely the unbelievers are your open ENEMY.” (Sura 4, verse 101).

“O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).” (Sura 9, verse 123).

“Surely We have prepared for the unbelievers chains and shackles and a burning fire.” (Sura 76, verse 4).

“O you who believe! if you obey a party from among those who have been given the Book (The Jews and Christians), they will turn you back as unbelievers after you have believed.” (Sura 3, verse 100).

“And their taking usury (interests on money) though indeed they were forbidden it and their devouring the property of people falsely, and We have prepared for the unbelievers from among them a painful chastisement.” (Sura 4. verse 161).

“Surely Allah has cursed the unbelievers (Jews, Christians and followers of other faiths) and has prepared for them a burning fire.” (Sura 33, verse 64).

“And whoever does not believe in Allah and His Apostle, then surely We have prepared burning fire for the unbelievers.” (Sura 48, verse 13).

[bangkokeddy]

I know its off topic but can some of the Islam scholars explain this for me please

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here we go, again.

[Jingthing]

No, its not always about 'the others' and your own narcism.

Some are too obsessed with themselves so that they don't understand anything.

Another non-answer.

Can you answer another question that might shed light on what you are really about?

Here it is --

Do you or do you not support the right of Israel to exist as a sovereign Jewish state (disregarding specific borders for the moment, as we can assume you are against the illegal settlements)?

(Or do you favor the more Hamas style full liberation, Jordan to the sea, Arabic/Islamic state of Palestine vision?)