British Convict Arrested In Bangkok

[Jirapa]

A few yrs ago we raided an illegal brothel in an inner city suburb of Melbourne, where we located 7 Thai women ranging in ages from 21 to 32. The women had been coherced into travelling to Australia on the promises of a better life with the men whom they thought loved them. After arriving they were taken to the brothel where thier passports were siezed and forced to work in the sex industry. They were paid nothing just fed and all slept in a small room which was kept locked. The men involved were of middle eastern origin but where Australian citizens. They were charged with a number offfences including false imprisonment and sentenced to 3 yrs jail. The women were returned to Thailand.

There are possibably a number of Thai women who have fallen for this trap and are in various countries around the world. We do not know the background story involving this English guy but it makes me wonder if his is a similar event.

And you believed them ?

Cops are the most chivalrous men in the world aren't they ?

You can ban me from this site if you want but this guys an idiot. We'd be fuct without the police so like them or not they're very necessary

[Oberkommando]

He was out on bail. He was convicted and sentenced to 2-years. He certainly may have served some time before sentencing or being granted bail. The article you refer to uses the words "temporary release" and this is not the same as "Temporary License" or "release on temporary licence" which usually only occurs when you are not a flight risk and is used to do things like go to a family members funeral or if you are dying or you have served nearly all your time and are let our for other compassionate grounds. In almost all cases, he would not need to flee to Thailand but simply ask to go except in the case of a family members death where he would have had a guard if there was the slightest reason to believe he would flee.

No, I don't have all the facts or know this case personally and this is my opinion, and it could be wrong, but it is based on logic as well as news accounts not only from The Nation.

How many times do I have to repeat that I am familiar with the particulars of this case? You are incorrect. He wasn't on bail. He was on temporary license from prison as I have explained already.

*sigh*

[ToffeEFCpower]

And...........

[WarpSpeed]

The floating bodies of 58-year-old Phuangsri Kroksamrang and 27-year-old Somjai Insamnan were found by crocodile spotting tour operators in the river.

58????? I know Thai women hold their looks and shapes very well but............................ 58 year old prossie???? Those Aussies are very desperate aren't they ? I'm beginning to understand the whole sheep fetish thing and that troubles me ..

[johncat1]

So need all the farang owned but run by their Thai wives/girlfriends here on Phuket need worry then? Or is it only pimping Thai women outside Thailand a criminal offence?

Prositution itself in Thailand is an offence so I would assume living of the earnings of prostitution would also be an offence in Thailand.

hahahahhahahahahaa.... yeah, an 'offence'.

The Thai police really do a good job in stopping it don't they.

STOP IT ????

In most cases the Thai police are behind it.

A few years ago I was eating alone in a small Thai restaurant On the next table to me were 3 ON DUTY police officers ( The only other customers ) They told me they were still on duty ( whilst drinking their Regency and soda ) their police radios turned on at the table.

We got talking and the usual questions Do you have gf or wife ? I replied no because I was going through divorce.

Then the Police officers offered me a local girl they said she was young and clean !!! I just smiled and thanked them for their kind offer but declined.

[johncat1]

Re: Jirapa No. 62

Quote " You can ban me from this site if you want but this guys an idiot. We'd be fuct without the police so like them or not they're very necessary "

Many times I am thankful for their corruption as I pay them their 300 Baht tea money for minor motoring offences.If I had been in the UK I would have been disqualified from driving now on the points system.

But a standard stopping fee of 300 Baht is ok whether you commit one or several offences the fine is still the same.One time I was stopped No tax or insurance and still driving on a UK license ( mistake on my part ) Set fine 300 Baht.In the UK it would be heavy fine and lose my license. God bless the BIB lol

[andrewdrummond]

The arrested, and his pimp gang were (and still are) members on another Thai forum. (Think doors made of teak).

The members who evaded arrest are still posting there and say that the girls were hardened sex workers who were more than willing to ply their trade over there.

One of the members of the pimp gang is actually a (long timed) banned member from here, but is apparently a mod there.

Now you're whistling dixie! names?

[Jirapa]

Re: Jirapa No. 62

Quote " You can ban me from this site if you want but this guys an idiot. We'd be fuct without the police so like them or not they're very necessary "

Many times I am thankful for their corruption as I pay them their 300 Baht tea money for minor motoring offences.If I had been in the UK I would have been disqualified from driving now on the points system.

But a standard stopping fee of 300 Baht is ok whether you commit one or several offences the fine is still the same.One time I was stopped No tax or insurance and still driving on a UK license ( mistake on my part ) Set fine 300 Baht.In the UK it would be heavy fine and lose my license. God bless the BIB lol

200B where I live but haven't paid in years as have accumulated a few high up friends in the force. They even used state funds to take me on a helicopter trip last year. They're not all bad! And your right, my UK licence would have been revoked years ago.

[sydneyjed]

He isn't a certain well known who everyone around town and Pattaya knows is lifting /stealing somebody elses copyright photographs and doing a very bad job of erasing the original photographers imprint mark and posting on that very forum to claim as his own is he?He then immediately omits anyones post that questions this...in order to try and big note himself!

The arrested, and his pimp gang were (and still are) members on another Thai forum. (Think doors made of teak).

The members who evaded arrest are still posting there and say that the girls were hardened sex workers who were more than willing to ply their trade over there.

One of the members of the pimp gang is actually a (long timed) banned member from here, but is apparently a mod there.

[hehehoho]

No.

Upon being released he apparently set up shop with one of the gang members around Merseyside. Both then returned to Thailand, presumably to continue business.

The gang supervisor from Newcastle(his apparent connection within Bangkok's interpol office has so far saved him from arrest.) is still at large.

Time is ticking though.

Tick tock.

Tick tock.

[Nisa]

He was out on bail. He was convicted and sentenced to 2-years. He certainly may have served some time before sentencing or being granted bail. The article you refer to uses the words "temporary release" and this is not the same as "Temporary License" or "release on temporary licence" which usually only occurs when you are not a flight risk and is used to do things like go to a family members funeral or if you are dying or you have served nearly all your time and are let our for other compassionate grounds. In almost all cases, he would not need to flee to Thailand but simply ask to go except in the case of a family members death where he would have had a guard if there was the slightest reason to believe he would flee.

No, I don't have all the facts or know this case personally and this is my opinion, and it could be wrong, but it is based on logic as well as news accounts not only from The Nation.

How many times do I have to repeat that I am familiar with the particulars of this case? You are incorrect. He wasn't on bail. He was on temporary license from prison as I have explained already.

*sigh*

Please do tell why he was granted temporary release? And how your inside information should be more believable than information released by the police, Interpol and/or embassy. Certainly you are not going by the words of a fugitive or worse friends of friends of the fugitive.

[endure]

He has fled to Thailand and the Thai police were informed by the British embassy to locate and arrest

Apparently the British police were too busy collecting bribes from Rupert Murdoch and handing out personal data on murder victims to the News of the World, so now the British Embassy routinely calls on Thai police to handle matters that don't generate revenue for the UK Police Early Retirement Fund.

As a matter of info there's no such thing as the 'British Police'. What you're talking about is the Met (The Metropolitan Police - the police force that polices London). The Met, along with various parts of police forces in the West Midlands, have always been dodgy but there's no police force in the UK (all 43 of them} that's anywhere near as corrupt as those in Thailand.

[soihok]

So need all the farang owned but run by their Thai wives/girlfriends here on Phuket need worry then? Or is it only pimping Thai women outside Thailand a criminal offence?

Prositution itself in Thailand is an offence so I would assume living of the earnings of prostitution would also be an offence in Thailand.

He did not break any local laws(sort of speak), he was arrested in UK for breaking UK Law

The person was prohibited from entering the Kingdom of Thailand. Because he was prohibited and entered he has committed an illegal act.Accordingto the Immigration Act of Thailand B.E. 2522 (1979), foreigners who fall into any of the following categories are prohibited to enter Thailand:

-Having no appropriate means of living following entry into the Kingdom.

He made his living as a Pimp. This is not considered appropriate means.

-Having been imprisoned by judgment of the Thai Court; or by lawful injunction orjudgment of the Court of a foreign country, except for when the penalty is for a petty offence, or negligence, or is provided for as an exception by theMinisterial Regulations.

He was convicted and imprisoned in the UK.

-Having behaviour which could cause possible danger to the public; or having thelikelihood of being a nuisance or constituting any violence to the peace,safety and security of the public or to the security of the nation; or being under warrant of arrest by competent officials of foreign governments.

Pimping is a breach of the aforementioned. He was also under a warrant of arrest because he was anabsconder.

-Reason to believe that entry into Kingdom is for the purpose of being involved in prostitution, the trafficking of women or children, drug smuggling, or othert ypes of smuggling which are against public morality.

He was a Pimp. He wasn't in Thailand to take a cooking class.

The man had no legal right to be in Thailand. He deserves to be tossed in jail. There are no grey areas. The man was a criminal. Case closed. Good bye and good riddance..

The most direct and sensible post made on the disscussion of a criminally minded toe rag that is certainly not welcome in Thailand.

I am trying to bring up my two young daughters in Thailand and this is another prick that ain't helping the cause.

[soihok]

Thanks.

Sh*t head he is.

Worse than than the current spate of French / North Africans stealing money via our ATM transactions.

Why can't these low life's try to make a go of earning money honestly?

Most people are driven to crime by having no choice but some are in it for the fun and greed. Shameful. Rot in hell.

[andyuk]

Hi all, i knew this guy when he lived in Somerset back in 1999. he had a computer bizz. that went t$$s up a couple of yrs. later. Then he got chased out of a remote house on the Blackdown Hilsl that he was running as massage parlour with Thai girls working there. Last i heard of him was when a biking friend of mine mentioned his name about a year ago and said he had sold the house in the UK and moved to Thailand about 4 yrs ago. My friend knew him because he was his next door neighbour at the m/parlour. I believe the jail sentence he got in UK was for the Thai girls at the m/parlour. When i knew him in 99 he always had some scheme going to make a quick buck so he was not well liked in the village.

Andyuk

[sirchai]

A few yrs ago we raided an illegal brothel in an inner city suburb of Melbourne, where we located 7 Thai women ranging in ages from 21 to 32. The women had been coherced into travelling to Australia on the promises of a better life with the men whom they thought loved them. After arriving they were taken to the brothel where thier passports were siezed and forced to work in the sex industry. They were paid nothing just fed and all slept in a small room which was kept locked. The men involved were of middle eastern origin but where Australian citizens. They were charged with a number offfences including false imprisonment and sentenced to 3 yrs jail. The women were returned to Thailand.

There are possibably a number of Thai women who have fallen for this trap and are in various countries around the world. We do not know the background story involving this English guy but it makes me wonder if his is a similar event.

Im only guessing that we implicates that you were one of the Middle Eastern origins. Hope you were not coherced into travelling to Thailand. Enjoy your stay. Greetings from lower northeast. :jap:

[softgeorge]

A few yrs ago we raided an illegal brothel in an inner city suburb of Melbourne, where we located 7 Thai women ranging in ages from 21 to 32. The women had been coherced into travelling to Australia on the promises of a better life with the men whom they thought loved them. After arriving they were taken to the brothel where thier passports were siezed and forced to work in the sex industry. They were paid nothing just fed and all slept in a small room which was kept locked. The men involved were of middle eastern origin but where Australian citizens. They were charged with a number offfences including false imprisonment and sentenced to 3 yrs jail. The women were returned to Thailand.

There are possibably a number of Thai women who have fallen for this trap and are in various countries around the world. We do not know the background story involving this English guy but it makes me wonder if his is a similar event.

I’m only guessing that ‘we’ implicates that you were one of the Middle Eastern origins. Hope you were not coherced into travelling to Thailand. Enjoy your stay. Greetings from lower northeast. :jap:

um NO sorry we as in the ones who did the raiding. :jap:

[hehehoho]

Word is he was grassed up by one of the gang members, one who helps fund another Thai forum (with the proceeds of the 'business'?).

All looking very dodgy.

[TAWP]

He had served his sentence and was out on license.

He breached the terms of said license by leaving the UK.

The article said he was appealing his sentence and was out on bail - not the same thing.

The article is wrong. I have personal knowledge of the case.

For some reason I don't doubt you...confirms what I thought about you.

[FalangBaa]

If you're a foreigner who owns a bar in Thailand with prostitutes, you're not much different to this guy. You're actually a pimp rather than a bar owner. You're living off immoral earnings from prostitution because you get paid a bar fine when the girl takes a customer out of the bar. Hope you write "pimp" as your occupation when filling in forms or registering at a hotel, because that's what you are.

[TAWP]

If you're a foreigner who owns a bar in Thailand with prostitutes, you're not much different to this guy. You're actually a pimp rather than a bar owner. You're living off immoral earnings from prostitution because you get paid a bar fine when the girl takes a customer out of the bar. Hope you write "pimp" as your occupation when filling in forms or registering at a hotel, because that's what you are.

Sounds like someone is jealous...

[Nisa]

If you're a foreigner who owns a bar in Thailand with prostitutes, you're not much different to this guy. You're actually a pimp rather than a bar owner. You're living off immoral earnings from prostitution because you get paid a bar fine when the girl takes a customer out of the bar. Hope you write "pimp" as your occupation when filling in forms or registering at a hotel, because that's what you are.

You may have a point somewhere here that is valid but you are not making your case very well ..

Being a bar owner is not illegal, being a pimp is illegal.

A bar fine is also legal and has absolutely nothing to do with paying for sex. Any compensation for a sex act is paid to the girl from the customer. A bar fine doesn't give permission for a customer to do anything but allow the girl to take time off from her job in the bar.

Your comparisons can also be used to call other legal entities such as Taxi Drivers, Pharmacies and Hotel operators pimps too.

[Beetlejuice]

If you're a foreigner who owns a bar in Thailand with prostitutes, you're not much different to this guy. You're actually a pimp rather than a bar owner. You're living off immoral earnings from prostitution because you get paid a bar fine when the girl takes a customer out of the bar. Hope you write "pimp" as your occupation when filling in forms or registering at a hotel, because that's what you are.

You may have a point somewhere here that is valid but you are not making your case very well ..

Being a bar owner is not illegal, being a pimp is illegal.

A bar fine is also legal and has absolutely nothing to do with paying for sex. Any compensation for a sex act is paid to the girl from the customer. A bar fine doesn't give permission for a customer to do anything but allow the girl to take time off from her job in the bar.

Your comparisons can also be used to call other legal entities such as Taxi Drivers, Pharmacies and Hotel operators pimps too.

FalangBaa is absolutely right.

The way you describe it, is a how to get around the law smart answer.

It`s similar to the massage parlours in the UK, that most people know these establishments are just fronts for prostitution.

The beerbar owners are fully aware that the female hostesses employees are prostitutes and I am sure that the bar owners realise that these girls are not taken out by the customers just for a friendly chat or for a good read at the local library.

Whether it`s profits on lady drinks, girl shows on stage or bar fines, the owners are making money from these girls. Having a good gutful of cheap beer followed by some cheap sex, is what most of these bars are about. If a bar owner is not aware of this, then he’s in the wrong business or just plain stupid.

Personally I have no objections to how these bars operate, providing there are no juveniles involved. I have enjoyed them as much as many people have. But why not be honest regarding the roles of the bar owners?

Whether someone is supplying prostitutes on the street, online, advertised in a magazine, in a newspaper or in an establishment such as a bar, what’s the difference?

[Nisa]

If you're a foreigner who owns a bar in Thailand with prostitutes, you're not much different to this guy. You're actually a pimp rather than a bar owner. You're living off immoral earnings from prostitution because you get paid a bar fine when the girl takes a customer out of the bar. Hope you write "pimp" as your occupation when filling in forms or registering at a hotel, because that's what you are.

You may have a point somewhere here that is valid but you are not making your case very well ..

Being a bar owner is not illegal, being a pimp is illegal.

A bar fine is also legal and has absolutely nothing to do with paying for sex. Any compensation for a sex act is paid to the girl from the customer. A bar fine doesn't give permission for a customer to do anything but allow the girl to take time off from her job in the bar.

Your comparisons can also be used to call other legal entities such as Taxi Drivers, Pharmacies and Hotel operators pimps too.

FalangBaa is absolutely right.

The way you describe it, is a how to get around the law smart answer.

It`s similar to the massage parlours in the UK, that most people know these establishments are just fronts for prostitution.

The beerbar owners are fully aware that the female hostesses employees are prostitutes and I am sure that the bar owners realise that these girls are not taken out by the customers just for a friendly chat or for a good read at the local library.

Whether it`s profits on lady drinks, girl shows on stage or bar fines, the owners are making money from these girls. Having a good gutful of cheap beer followed by some cheap sex, is what most of these bars are about. If a bar owner is not aware of this, then he's in the wrong business or just plain stupid.

Personally I have no objections to how these bars operate, providing there are no juveniles involved. I have enjoyed them as much as many people have. But why not be honest regarding the roles of the bar owners?

Whether someone is supplying prostitutes on the street, online, advertised in a magazine, in a newspaper or in an establishment such as a bar, what's the difference?

Again sounds like the same would apply to taxi drivers who take a working girl to or from work or a Farang to a bar or a hotel that allows a farang to stay who brings working girls to his room. In fact, what of the food vendors outside these bars that cater to the working girls.

There are MANY brothels in Thailand but a bar is not a brothel nor does it have a pimp, nor is the bar owner being paid in any way shape or form for the services of sex by his employees. A bar fine is about the girl leaving the bar and not working in the bar. It is 100% legal in Thailand as is prostitution in entertainment areas if done right. A bar fine is not all that much and equivalent to a few drinks. The girls in the bars in places like Soi Cowboy are paid a salary regardless if they leave the bar or not.

Again, you may have a point to make, especially with some bars and the issue of exploiting women, but the comparison to a Pimp is way way way off. There are MANY MANY owners and people make money off working girls in Thailand. A bar operating legally in an entertainment area does not demand that as part of employment that a girl perform sex with customers and a bar fine has nothing to do with what, if any sex, is performed with a customer but simply how long a girl is gone from the bar. They don't get a percentage of what a girl alone works out with the client. They don't get paid for sex period! Trust me when I tell you that it is not all that uncommon for men to pay a bar fine and not have sex but only want company ... but the bar fine doesn't change.

Typical farang bar owners are not forcing women to work for them or forcing any women to have sex. However, these bars do provide a safe place for working girls to meet men and without being forced to do anything they don't want to do.

Certainly this cannot be said of ALL farang run bars but it is what is typical and perfectly legal in Thailand. It is not about getting around laws, it is about running a legal business.

[chaoyang]

It is, after all, the world's oldest profession and the sad fact is that it is a way for unempowered girls -- or those who are lazy or crazy -- to survive, and maybe even get a whole new life, as is often the case in Thailand

The root causes are familiar to all who have been in Thailand for more than a few weeks: Profoundly unfair social system, drunken father, poor or scant education, ignorance. If bar owners operate a benevolent place that at least provides a safe place for the girls to meet their johns, then that is better than them hanging out in the park or on street corners.

In an ideal world, the girls would have other options to help them improve their lot in life, but here in elite-ruled Thailand, they don't matter.

[Nisa]

It is, after all, the world's oldest profession and the sad fact is that it is a way for unempowered girls -- or those who are lazy or crazy -- to survive, and maybe even get a whole new life, as is often the case in Thailand

The root causes are familiar to all who have been in Thailand for more than a few weeks: Profoundly unfair social system, drunken father, poor or scant education, ignorance. If bar owners operate a benevolent place that at least provides a safe place for the girls to meet their johns, then that is better than them hanging out in the park or on street corners.

In an ideal world, the girls would have other options to help them improve their lot in life, but here in elite-ruled Thailand, they don't matter.

[londoedan]

I expect it was more the people trafficking for the sex industry they were concerned about.

At least in the Bars in Thailand the girls are free to come and go.

Those trafficked to the west have their passports taken and are imprisoned to pay back the traffickers. And are forced to sleep with 20-30 men a day.

Very different scenarios.

That is a lot of sleeping, well Thai ladies can sleep a lot

Not funny.

[CrazyKid]

So need all the farang owned but run by their Thai wives/girlfriends here on Phuket need worry then? Or is it only pimping Thai women outside Thailand a criminal offence?

Good point! Lets hope the Americans dont get involved with their dubious morals..Thats the government not the people

If the USA gets involved they will tax and regulate it to death

[chrisinth]

Always amazes me, how many fall into being pimps out here and yet claim they are just running a bar.

Almost always ends with problems due to police/drugs/stealing/heavies etc, then they complain....hello you area pimp of sorts working wth prostitutes in Thailand what did you expect....Muppets

As they say, if its got t1ts or an engine, it is going to cause tears sometime...........

[chooka]

So need all the farang owned but run by their Thai wives/girlfriends here on Phuket need worry then? Or is it only pimping Thai women outside Thailand a criminal offence?

Prositution itself in Thailand is an offence so I would assume living of the earnings of prostitution would also be an offence in Thailand.

Prostitution in itself is legal, but living off the earnings of a prostitute in illegal, in Hong Kong. Anyone knows is there's something similar here?

I thought prostitution in Thailand was ilegal, an offence.