Green House

[Scoop1]

Hi, can anyone help with the price of a green house, and the price of the building of it and what types there are, and what sizes, i want to grow hydroponic produce at my gf house in non udon,

cheers

[jamescollister]

Don't know much about hydroponics, but don't think you need a traditional green house in this climate. jim

[WatersEdge]

A greenhouse has several advantages aside from the obvious,

to prevent freezing.

Insect & Disease control

Night time temperature control

Rainfall control

CO2 Concentration.

There is definitely a reason that greenhouses are used increasingly in Thailand.

Bell Pepper (Capsicum they are called sometimes) especially are raised in greenhouses very successively.

In order to estimate the costs,

You need to tell us the size.

In general the larger the greenhouse, the lower the unit area cost.

The greater the height, the less problem excessive daytime temperature will be.

Is is to be build on a level site, or on a sloped field.

Just reading your post,

it seems that you want to know everything,

without putting any effort out yourself to learn

There are companies that sell turnkey greenhouses

but you can probably save a lot if you exert the study time to learn what they know.

The cheapest way to cover the largest area is geodesic dome.

The larger the cheaper, up to 60 meters diameter using 6 meter long steel tube.

This dome is 30 meters high...ten 3 meter stories

For hoop style,

I'd recommend a 12 meter span using 14 meter wide roll plastic over the arch.

How high you elevate the half cylinder is up to you,

I did some designs a while back using full 6 meter high poles.

The beauty of a high clearance building, is that something else could be done below the plant deck,

such as raising animals, poultry, or fish.

Foundation and Roof are the main expense of a building,

height is comparatively cheap.

[ozzydom]

Scoop1 Google can be your friend.

Edited October 8, 2011 by ozzydom

[rice555]

Hello Scoop1, the place to find info is in House Ag Mag.,

see picture. The have ad's from time to time on GH's

and articles(inThai), the only real place to look!

The second pic. is C-T's ad, these type of GH's are for

sale through 4-5 different Co's in BKK. ACK, Netafim,

NaanDan(Meterz Plaz).

For build your own, TCT has parts, that's where Silentnine

got his film. www.tctthainet.com Thescott in other TV

hydro thread got some of his stuff their also. The site

is only good to get a map of where they are, you need to

go and see what they have. Phone calls and @'s are

useless in LOS. www.hdpenet.com has shade cloths and

bug netting in their ad, they may have more stuff to build

you own.

More info on GH's from ACK, Netafim and the person to

call is in other TV-hydro threads, google may work beater

than the regular TV search.

I'm not metric, so in US, if you want to build a 30'X100' GH,

you would have to buy the next size roll of film, which would

be, say 35'/40'X120'/130' which is a lot of waste($$$) every

2-4 years. So you build 24'/28'X98' to use a 30'X100' roll.

Always build around what size of films you can get inLOS, it's

30% duty on cost+S&H if you order abroad.

If you can wait till, http://www.hortiasia.net/ you might be

able to get what you want, they will still be adding Co's to

the list of exhibitors should be completed in a few months.

There'a a pdf of who, and what they sell/do, up now. You

could look co's from the names listed.

Keep us posted.

rice555

[tiger2]

I guess you could pay ACK 78,000 baht for a bare-bones hoop house (delivery and installation EXcluded). Pic #1:

Or...build your own for a fraction of that. Pic #2

Edited October 9, 2011 by tiger2

[ozzydom]

The OP has not come back, but I am wondering whether he is interested in a greenhouse (glasshouse) or just a shade house.

One is a controlled environment unit which can be very expensive to set up while the other is just what it is ,a shade house and much more economical.

[tiger2]

The 78,000 baht hoop house from ACK is NOT climate controlled--it's nothing more than a frame for a shade house. A 3 x 6 x 2 meter shade house. With a 80cm door on one end. 3/4" 'galvanized' (not painted) steel tubing--grade not specified even after I asked. 3 mil poly. This design is a whopping 36 m3...

The local fab shop down the road quoted the following (for the exact same design and dimensions as ACK's):

1) 1.5" grade 'A' galvanized and painted steel frame

2) 100cm galvanized steel door and door frame--also painted

3) 18 meters 1" x 4" wood baseboards

4) 6 of the 12 legs cemented one meter into the ground

5) Delivery and installation plus a 2 year guarantee on materials and workmanship

Price: 12,500 baht. Poly not included.

More realistic and practical sizes (same shop, same materials and guarantee) of 6 x 12 x 3 meters (216 m3) were 30,500 baht. 10 x 20 x 3 meters (600 m3) 70,500 baht. You do the math...

PS The products from ACK, ChiaThai, NetaFim and a few other companies that target the hydro/organic commercial and (somewhat) hobby market are obscenely overpriced. Many of the exact same items can be found elsewhere--Super Products, Global House, larger hardware (wasadu) stores, local farmers' stores and 'Mom & Pop' shops--for 50% cheaper and more. Something to think about when you're spending a large chunk of $ on a hobby project. Or if you decide to go 'mersh'...

Edited October 9, 2011 by tiger2

[Scoop1]

Thanks all, thats very helpfull, i will be coming to los in december, so now i have a guide, and will do more research when i get there, Thank you very much

scoop1

[ozzydom]

I guess you could pay ACK 78,000 baht for a bare-bones hoop house (delivery and installation EXcluded). Pic #1:

Or...build your own for a fraction of that. Pic #2

tiger2,With reference your accusation per PM that I deleted a pic from your post#6.

There are only 3 ways of deleting material after it is posted.

1. The poster has a small window of time to edit their post.

2. A moderator can do it.

3. Any poster can quote all or part of a post in a reply.

1. Are you sure it was originally part of your post

2. As I am no longer the moderator of this forum I do not have the facility to edit posts.

3.As your post has not been answered or re-posted, #3 is not relevant

Please learn how the forum works prior to casting aspersions on members.

[rice555]

Hello all, when somebody for a greenhouse, I

thought they might be looking for a greenhouse,

not a hobby greenhouse.

Here's some toys and tools at ACK.

rice555

Evap GH

Nethouse

Hoby GH #1

Hobby GH #2

[XGM]

How much can I expect to pay for a 1 hectare greenhouse, say 4.5 - 5 meters high, suited for covering with polyethylene, say in Korat area?

[rice555]

Hello XGM, call and ask one of the company's listed in several of the hydro threads,

or use google to find same. Prices depend on what type and what growing system.

There was a thread on a guy up north that had to sell his houses, had some pictures

and some number$ you might be able to get an idea of costs.

rice555

[XGM]

Hello rice555, thanks for your post. For sure I will contact those companies but I am currently not in thailand and trying to get an estimate of the cost of such a project. My question refers only to the greenhouse itself (with or without assembly) and not to the irrigation / other infrastructure I will need to purchase and install.

[rice555]

Hello XGM, if you have the building site located, you could contact

Tomas, he's on the contact page, he's done some of ACK's houses.

Last I knew, he was in Pac Chong(Korat).

http://www.datt.co.th/

Another choice might be to be in BKK on 3/9-11/2012 at:

www.hortiasia.net

You'll have all the major players under one roof at the same time. Give

them site info and what you want, see what price they can come up with.

rice555

[rice555]

Correction, thats May 9-11 2012.

I need to clean my glasses.

This is a list of some of the exhibitors.

rice555

http://www.hortiasia.net/images/stories/pdf/Exhibitor_List.pdf

[XGM]

thanks rice555, this looks very interesting although I hope to be in a more advanced stage by mid May.

[teletiger]

The 78,000 baht hoop house from ACK is NOT climate controlled--it's nothing more than a frame for a shade house. A 3 x 6 x 2 meter shade house. With a 80cm door on one end. 3/4" 'galvanized' (not painted) steel tubing--grade not specified even after I asked. 3 mil poly. This design is a whopping 36 m3...

The local fab shop down the road quoted the following (for the exact same design and dimensions as ACK's):

1) 1.5" grade 'A' galvanized and painted steel frame

2) 100cm galvanized steel door and door frame--also painted

3) 18 meters 1" x 4" wood baseboards

4) 6 of the 12 legs cemented one meter into the ground

5) Delivery and installation plus a 2 year guarantee on materials and workmanship

Price: 12,500 baht. Poly not included.

More realistic and practical sizes (same shop, same materials and guarantee) of 6 x 12 x 3 meters (216 m3) were 30,500 baht. 10 x 20 x 3 meters (600 m3) 70,500 baht. You do the math...

PS The products from ACK, ChiaThai, NetaFim and a few other companies that target the hydro/organic commercial and (somewhat) hobby market are obscenely overpriced. Many of the exact same items can be found elsewhere--Super Products, Global House, larger hardware (wasadu) stores, local farmers' stores and 'Mom & Pop' shops--for 50% cheaper and more. Something to think about when you're spending a large chunk of $ on a hobby project. Or if you decide to go 'mersh'...

Got to agree with tiger2. Put up a 6x8x2 metre shade house for less than 12,000 Baht. 240 mtr tubing at 30 Baht. Got someone to help with the cutting and welding, 1000 baht. Knocked in steel pegs and just slipped the tubing over the top. Get enough bodies and it is movable. 5 mt 3 sand for the floor. With the painting, whole thing took 5 days..

Regards.

[Scoop1]

The 78,000 baht hoop house from ACK is NOT climate controlled--it's nothing more than a frame for a shade house. A 3 x 6 x 2 meter shade house. With a 80cm door on one end. 3/4" 'galvanized' (not painted) steel tubing--grade not specified even after I asked. 3 mil poly. This design is a whopping 36 m3...

The local fab shop down the road quoted the following (for the exact same design and dimensions as ACK's):

1) 1.5" grade 'A' galvanized and painted steel frame

2) 100cm galvanized steel door and door frame--also painted

3) 18 meters 1" x 4" wood baseboards

4) 6 of the 12 legs cemented one meter into the ground

5) Delivery and installation plus a 2 year guarantee on materials and workmanship

Price: 12,500 baht. Poly not included.

More realistic and practical sizes (same shop, same materials and guarantee) of 6 x 12 x 3 meters (216 m3) were 30,500 baht. 10 x 20 x 3 meters (600 m3) 70,500 baht. You do the math...

PS The products from ACK, ChiaThai, NetaFim and a few other companies that target the hydro/organic commercial and (somewhat) hobby market are obscenely overpriced. Many of the exact same items can be found elsewhere--Super Products, Global House, larger hardware (wasadu) stores, local farmers' stores and 'Mom & Pop' shops--for 50% cheaper and more. Something to think about when you're spending a large chunk of $ on a hobby project. Or if you decide to go 'mersh'...

Hi Tiger2, can you tell me if you ended up getting the local fab shop to build the above mentioned greenhouse?

Cheers

Scoop

[cdmtdm]

tiger can we have a pic ?

[muratremix]

I would like to know if anybody have an actual greenhouse in this forum? I would like to hear first hand experiences with climate control of greenhouses.

[rice555]

Hello All, for those that want to do a DIY GH, there are a couple

of places that sell GH films and bug netting, wiggle wire or snap

lock. In the BKK area is www.tctthainet.com Their store is a must

if you want to DIY. Best to go as they are poor on @ replies.

As for shops where to look for framework, easier to find in a larger

city.

The first 2 pictures are in my area, 200M from the 224/226 junction

and the last 2 are being set up for the OTOP fair downtown Korat.

More frames and some gutter work, you could make a 6 bay gutter

connected net/greenhouse is what I thought of the last pic.

rice555

[cooked]

I'm a bit puzzled by this talk of buying a shade house. My (smallish) garden is fenced to keep the buffalo and chickens out, with galvanised steel posts. I will be buying about 100 meters of 6 (maybe 8)mm reinforcing rods and interlace them above the garden, tying them with wire. As for shading things seem to be hunky dory for the moment without shading, my wife tells me that the cucumbers will give sufficient shade, that's the way they do it around here anyway. I'll see if the BIL's set up is photographable and post a view or two.

[Scoop1]

Hello All, for those that want to do a DIY GH, there are a couple

of places that sell GH films and bug netting, wiggle wire or snap

lock. In the BKK area is www.tctthainet.com Their store is a must

if you want to DIY. Best to go as they are poor on @ replies.

As for shops where to look for framework, easier to find in a larger

city.

The first 2 pictures are in my area, 200M from the 224/226 junction

and the last 2 are being set up for the OTOP fair downtown Korat.

More frames and some gutter work, you could make a 6 bay gutter

connected net/greenhouse is what I thought of the last pic.

rice555

Hey Rice, hope you are well, thanks for that information, looks like an easy way to go, those joints are they pre made and then welded to the pipe, it looks like thats the case, and can they be purchased separately? and what are the bay widths ?

cheers

Scoop

Edited February 22, 2013 by Scoop1