toenail Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I ran into around 4-5 BKK Western "refugees" here in Pattaya in North Pattaya and they said they had never been in Pattaya before (work/live in Bangkok) and were enjoying themselves. They were staying in the various 4-5 star hotels along Beach Road North and were enjoying the restaurants/ bars in the area which is more "civilized" than further down towards Walking Street. Of course they had also shopped at Central and a couple of the ladies liked getting manicures at the beach... The different nationalities said they would be coming back. So this "invasion" may be a good thing long term, not just during the flood season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 (edited) Yes, of course, and when it becomes clear that Bangkok is really sinking and that the government can't get it together to do what's needed to stop that, Pattaya will be on the short list for the next capital of Thailand. Edited October 30, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailspin Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 there goes the hood.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 there goes the hood.... Won't be for 10 years or so if it happens. I realize it sounds wild but consider the SET moved here temporarily and that lots of moneyed Bangkokians already have second homes here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I was thinking along the same lines, this is a huge positive for Pattaya! just hope they don't use all our water supplies and leave us dry as we were 5 years or so ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 the city infrastructure is poor and not improving. If they expand and start new construction to large scale proper civil engineering standards, then the small city appeal of Pattaya will be gone. Just like Soi 8 has been subsumed the last few years. Big is not better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marinediscoking Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 (edited) You mean the expats that ask me when i am in Bangkok....."Why do you live in pattaya it is a sleeze pit"? and "Are you some kind pervert living in Pattaya". This is the general gist i get when I go there and mention that i live in pattaya. The other Bangkokians are not good for pattaya. Ask any business owner. They want Europeans and North Americans tourists. They put 10 people in a hotel room They don't shop for souvenirs They don't spend money in bars They don't get messages. They do very little buying of anything here because it is cheaper to shop in bangkok. Ok, 7-11 and Family mart like them. Edited October 30, 2011 by marinediscoking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manarak Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 You mean the expats that ask me when i am in Bangkok....."Why do you live in pattaya it is a sleeze pit"? and "Are you some kind pervert living in Pattaya". This is the general gist i get when I go there and mention that i live in pattaya. I just say yes to those questions and the conversation rapidly turns to other subjects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauljones Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Funny you mention that. Yesterday, a Thai friend that owns a hotel in Pattaya told me she will not rent a room to Thai people. "Too many problems". "They trash the rooms". she said. You mean the expats that ask me when i am in Bangkok....."Why do you live in pattaya it is a sleeze pit"? and "Are you some kind pervert living in Pattaya". This is the general gist i get when I go there and mention that i live in pattaya. The other Bangkokians are not good for pattaya. Ask any business owner. They want Europeans and North Americans tourists. They put 10 people in a hotel room They don't shop for souvenirs They don't spend money in bars They don't get messages. They do very little buying of anything here because it is cheaper to shop in bangkok. Ok, 7-11 and Family mart like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prefabs Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Yes, of course, and when it becomes clear that Bangkok is really sinking and that the government can't get it together to do what's needed to stop that, Pattaya will be on the short list for the next capital of Thailand. Is your real name Drew Noyes????? Sounds like something fom his newspaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 there goes the hood.... Won't be for 10 years or so if it happens. I realize it sounds wild but consider the SET moved here temporarily and that lots of moneyed Bangkokians already have second homes here. Why would they choose this side of the bay instead of Cha-Am? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 there goes the hood.... Won't be for 10 years or so if it happens. I realize it sounds wild but consider the SET moved here temporarily and that lots of moneyed Bangkokians already have second homes here. Why would they choose this side of the bay instead of Cha-Am? Ask the people who brought the SET to Pattaya and not Cha-Am. My view, it's more of a city here already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Yes, of course, and when it becomes clear that Bangkok is really sinking and that the government can't get it together to do what's needed to stop that, Pattaya will be on the short list for the next capital of Thailand. Is your real name Drew Noyes????? Sounds like something fom his newspaper No, God forbid, no, but you're right, it does. I'm not promoting anything. I'm observing. I believe Bangkok will be history within 20 years and it will probably be obvious that a move out has to happen within 10 years. So the capital has to go somewhere. Somewhere dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 there goes the hood.... Won't be for 10 years or so if it happens. I realize it sounds wild but consider the SET moved here temporarily and that lots of moneyed Bangkokians already have second homes here. Why would they choose this side of the bay instead of Cha-Am? Ask the people who brought the SET to Pattaya and not Cha-Am. My view, it's more of a city here already. Of course this is just fantasy, but Captial cities are sometimes chosen in new areas and built from the ground up. eg. Washington DC, Canberra... That gives them a change to build better infrastructure to service the needs of government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heng Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Level everything on the darkside Chuwit style and turn it into a X00 x X00 block grid type city with designated poor-middle class-well to do areas of town just like 'back home.' Sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Of course this is just fantasy, but Captial cities are sometimes chosen in new areas and built from the ground up. eg. Washington DC, Canberra... That gives them a change to build better infrastructure to service the needs of government. True dat. Also Brasilia. And the Burma horror show as well. But sometimes also great cities emerge from brothels, as did Buenos Aires and San Francisco. In Thailand's sake, I think the capital needs to be located within CENTRAL Thailand. So Chiang Mai would be out. Ayutthaya would be a good choice if the water issues could be controlled better than Bangkok. Today, that's looking bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauljones Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I don't think ChaAm will be the place. Too far from the airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I don't think ChaAm will be the place. Too far from the airport. For example, it's not a problem in Canberra. It's a long way from an International airport. Eventually a new capital could have a new international airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavefloater Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I don't have a business in Pattaya, but if I did, I suppose I'd be drooling at the idea of doubling my profits due to Bangkokians relocating here (or even making Pattaya their preferred weekend location). However, the unfortunate reality is that Pattaya's population has grown appreciatively over the past years and virtually nothing has been done to expand or improve the infrastructure. The crowds and traffic volume seem unmanageable at times, so a quick influx of people would make Pattaya living hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The crowds and traffic volume seem unmanageable at times, so a quick influx of people would make Pattaya living hell. Bangkokians will feel right at home. So build a skytrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The crowds and traffic volume seem unmanageable at times, so a quick influx of people would make Pattaya living hell. Bangkokians will feel right at home. So build a skytrain. Time to dust off those monorail plans - maybe someone was just being farsighted rather than a money grabbing plonker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorro1 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The crowds and traffic volume seem unmanageable at times, so a quick influx of people would make Pattaya living hell. Bangkokians will feel right at home. So build a skytrain. last stop walking street, why not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awohalitsiktoli Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The crowds and traffic volume seem unmanageable at times, so a quick influx of people would make Pattaya living hell. Bangkokians will feel right at home. So build a skytrain. last stop walking street, why not ? Sure, lets make them feel right at home with more traffic jams, more people, more pollution, more stress, etc. With all due respect to the posters who think this is good, I have to strongly disagree. The charm of the city (relaxed, fun, inexpensive, convenient beach city) has almost already been destroyed. More people with more problems will not make it better; it will ruin it for those who want to retire in a relaxing, fun, stress free place. But many younger visitors and Russians will not see this because they have no real perspective on the place. And business owners and real estate investors will no doubt like the idea Bangkonians migrating to Pattaya-Jomtien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I am not necessarily saying it is/will be a good thing. I see some good things and some bad things about the Bangkokization of Pattaya, which has been happening for some time now anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Sure, lets make them feel right at home with more traffic jams, more people, more pollution, more stress, etc. With all due respect to the posters who think this is good, I have to strongly disagree. The charm of the city (relaxed, fun, inexpensive, convenient beach city) has almost already been destroyed. More people with more problems will not make it better; it will ruin it for those who want to retire in a relaxing, fun, stress free place. But many younger visitors and Russians will not see this because they have no real perspective on the place. And business owners and real estate investors will no doubt like the idea Bangkonians migrating to Pattaya-Jomtien. You must be reminiscing about years long past - how long have you been here? In the last 6 years I fail to see how anyone could have called Pattaya a city with charm and relaxed. In fact 6 years I seem to remember it was busier still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRinger Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Yes, of course, and when it becomes clear that Bangkok is really sinking and that the government can't get it together to do what's needed to stop that, Pattaya will be on the short list for the next capital of Thailand. A report published by the United Nations’ IRIN magazine today says that flooding in Bangkok is likely to get so severe by the middle of this century that parts of the Thai capital may have to be abandoned. “Subsidence and poor urban planning have resulted in Bangkok gradually sinking between 2cm and 5cm a year,” the report quotes researchers in Thailand. It’s well known by city residents that Bangkok is sinking, with experts first documenting the problem in the early 1980s. But now scientists say there are added factors that are fast-tracking the city’s immersion. “For decades we have known that the city was sinking because of sediment compression, but recent research has shown that the crust of the earth itself is also depressing here, caused by tectonic events that are totally outside our control. It is a combination of factors,” Anond Snidvongs, the Southeast Asia regional research director for multi-national non-governmental agency START, says in the report. “Much of the problem was caused by water for industry being extracted from underground aquifers faster than it could be replaced, causing the soil to compress,” IRIN explained. “Another issue is that many of Bangkok’s canals, which once drew comparisons with those of Venice, have been concreted over and turned into roads, while houses and factories have been built on the natural floodplains surrounding the capital.” CNN - 14 January, 2010 more: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/thailand/090202/bangkok-sinking-1 Read more: Bangkok sinking, warn scientists | CNNGo.com http://www.cnngo.com/bangkok/none/bangkok-sinking-ship-remind-scientists-554023#ixzz1cMncT0X0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manarak Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Sure, lets make them feel right at home with more traffic jams, more people, more pollution, more stress, etc. With all due respect to the posters who think this is good, I have to strongly disagree. The charm of the city (relaxed, fun, inexpensive, convenient beach city) has almost already been destroyed. More people with more problems will not make it better; it will ruin it for those who want to retire in a relaxing, fun, stress free place. But many younger visitors and Russians will not see this because they have no real perspective on the place. And business owners and real estate investors will no doubt like the idea Bangkonians migrating to Pattaya-Jomtien. You must be reminiscing about years long past - how long have you been here? In the last 6 years I fail to see how anyone could have called Pattaya a city with charm and relaxed. In fact 6 years I seem to remember it was busier still. yeah, that's what I thought too... many charms in Pattaya, but those charms come mostly from Isaan, 555. the charm of Pattaya... c'mon ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Rayong would be a better choice than pattaya, better industrial facilities good roads and less tourists, and remember Pattaya is prone to flooding and that is getting worse - I'd expect that trend to continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 A nation's capital on the seashore? Only 3 sides for access = nightmare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awohalitsiktoli Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 A nation's capital on the seashore? Only 3 sides for access = nightmare It is interesting that the article on Bangkok sinking failed to mention the main threat and cause of the current crisis: climate change (and, in this case, associated rainfall). Unfortunately, a combination of factors will likely compel growing numbers of people, families, businesses to get out of town and that will mean more of everything we do not want in Pattaya-Jomtien, along with some things we do want. I think the bad outweighs the good in this case. One poster asked how long I have been here. I have a three-decade perspective on this area. Believe it or not, Pattaya-Jomtien really was much less stressful back then. No, we did not have Central Festival Mall, but we had what we needed to be happy and relaxed. Those days are gone; that is a fact. It is too bad that most people see growth as a good thing. They would make great cheerleaders for cancer cells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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