Abhisit Lashes Out At Attempted Thaksin Pardon

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Opposition leader lashes out at attempted Thaksin pardon

BANGKOK, Nov 16 - Thailand's Opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva on Wednesday said it was unacceptable that the cabinet on Tuesday considered an amnesty decree which could benefit fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra saying the move must be seen as destroying the rule of law and could spark another round of political crisis.

The Democrat Party leader’s criticism came after the cabinet meeting chaired by Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung on Tuesday secretly considered a decree seeking a royal pardon for convicts amid speculation that convicted ex-premier Thaksin could benefit from the move.

Mr Thaksin, ousted in a coup in 2006, was sentenced in absentia in 2008 to two years imprisonment for abuse of power by helping his then wife acquire a parcel of prime Bangkok commercial land at a price far below the market value.

Mr Abhisit asserted he and the Democrat Party could not accept the cabinet's action as there were some irregularities and the move was against principles of transparency, in particular the revision of a clause which allows a fugitive found guilty of corruption to be eligible to seek a royal pardon.

He said the revised decree opened way for convicts or fugitives to seek royal pardons without serving jail terms, as well as allowing those who have been convicted of particular charges such as corruption, earlier disqualified from seeking amnesty, to apply for it.

"This will deepen the rift," Mr Abhisit said. "The prime minister intended not to be present at the cabinet meeting."

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, Mr Thaksin's youngest sister, did not chair Tuesday’s cabinet meeting, saying she could not return from Sing Buri province where she visited flood victims as her helicopter had no radar for night flights.

The Democrat leader argued, however, that despite the premier's absence, she could review the cabinet decision and that she could not deny her responsibility on the matter.

Mr Abhisit urged the government to stop pushing the amnesty move for "only one person" and said the premier still has a chance to review the case to avoid possible chaos.

Opposition chief whip Jurin Laksanavisit said the opposition resolved to question cabinet members over the issue in parliament so the public will be informed of the facts. “The main cause for concern is that if the criteria for royal pardon have been revised, it is meant to serve one particular person,” Mr Jurin said.

He noted that in the past the convicts must partially serve their jail terms before they are eligible for a royal pardon.

Meanwhile, Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung conceded today that the cabinet secretly discussed the amnesty decree yesterday, but said he could not disclose the details as no conclusion had yet been reached.

Mr Chalerm noted that the government has no authority to seek a royal amnesty, but it is the duty of the Justice Ministry to set up a 20-member panel to study the appropriate criteria for those eligible to apply for royal pardon.

The justice ministry will forward its decision for consideration by the cabinet and the Council of State, the government's legal arm. If all parties concerned agree with the proposal, the amnesty decree will be presented to His Majesty the King for royal endorsement.

Referring to the annual royal pardon for the convicts to be set free Dec 5 as part of the celebrations of the king's birthday, Mr Chalerm said some 26,000 convicts are eligible to be granted royal pardon this year.

The deputy premier however declined to comment whether the government's move will benefit Mr Thaksin. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2011-11-16

[ratcatcher]

Well, before the democrat bashers sign on, let me just say how much I admire Deputy Prime minister Chalerm's transparency and apparent naiivete.

"The deputy premier however declined to comment whether the government's move will benefit Mr Thaksin."

[qualtrough]

jayboy-- I like your style. Well done.

[OZEMADE]

Mr Abhisit urged the government to stop pushing the amnesty move for "only one person" and said the premier still has a chance to review the case to avoid possible chaos.

I think Abhisit forgot to mention that it was his Gov when they were in power, changed the amnesty law to include persons convicted of corruption could not be granted amnesty. This was done for one man then? The pot calling the kettle black.

[timekeeper]

its a disgrace that PT are even talking about this whilst people are still in desperate straits from the floods

there are far more important factors to consider than Thaksin....

[philw]

jayboy-- I like your style. Well done.

+ +

And very apposite....

[TAWP]

I mean if he didn't take this position he would be a hypocritical piece of shit wouldn't he.

Funny, that is how I sometimes conclude you after reading some of your posts.

[philw]

I mean if he didn't take this position he would be a hypocritical piece of shit wouldn't he.

Funny, that is how I sometimes conclude you after reading some of your posts.

Irony is difficult, isn't it.....

[metisdead]

A post has been removed as the quoted post had been altered by the use of bold font, which is in contravention of forum rule:

30) Do not modify someone else's post in your quoted reply, either with font or color changes, added emoticons, or altered wording.

[siampolee]

Seems as Thaksin is able to do as he wants and it's approved of by a poster who left his own country due to politicians with the same views.

( My apologies for the inadvertent bold typeface, due to the fact I pressed the wrong button I fear.)

Jayboy Posted 2009-02-2708:58:46

Itis inconceivable to me that a waking nation in the full consciousnessof its freedom would have allowed its government to pass such laws asthe Protection from Harassment Act (1997), the Crime and Disorder Act(1998), the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (2000), theTerrorism Act (2000), the Criminal Justice and Police Act (2001), theAnti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Act (2001), the Regulation ofInvestigatory Powers Extension Act (2002), the Criminal Justice Act(2003), the Extradition Act (2003), the Anti-Social Behaviour Act(2003), the Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Act (2004), theCivil Contingencies Act (2004), the Prevention of Terrorism Act(2005), the Inquiries Act (2005), the Serious Organised Crime andPolice Act (2005), not to mention a host of pending legislation suchas the Identity Cards Bill, the Coroners and Justice Bill, and theLegislative and Regulatory Reform Bill.

Inconceivable.

Andthose laws say:

Sleep,you stinking cowards"

[rubl]

I mean if he didn't take this position he would be a hypocritical piece of shit wouldn't he.

Funny, that is how I sometimes conclude you after reading some of your posts.

Irony is difficult, isn't it.....

Sorry I'm late, guys, had to work, really a bother I must admit.

It's interesting to read that some even try to vaguely suggest k. Abhisit is guilty as hell as well. I mean, when lots of 'upright' people were voicing their discontent with k. Abhisit going on a three-day holiday while Thailand was suffering from it's direst disaster (law), Dept. PM Chalerm was reading up on the finer details of law to find a way to get his Lord and Master absolved with minimal intrusion on his Lordship's God-given right of freedom to do as He pleases.

PM Yingluck can't be bothered to answer question, that's why k. Chalerm was appointed, wasn't it?

Well, well, what more should I say, 'the usual suspects confusing irony with BS and other types of bovine excrement' ?

[Pi Sek]

I think Khun Abhisit is absolutely correct.The granting of an amnesty would be a breach of the rule of law, and possibly set in motion political disturbances that would exceed that of recent years.Clearly any such amnesty would be an endorsement of criminality, an abuse of government power merely because they had achieved a majority in parliament.Some cynics absurdly suggest that Abhisit is guilty of inconsistency because he had nothing to say about the criminals that launched an illegal coup in 2006 and immediately awarded themselves an amnesty.I think this is a foul lie and although I don't have the records to hand immediately feel sure that he was loud and clear that this was a disgraceful abuse on the part of these military thugs.I mean if he didn't take this position he would be a hypocritical piece of shit wouldn't he.

I agree wholeheartedly. Still, whilst he may have condemned the coup as undemocratic, he could have gone further and refused to work with the Junta at all. But then that wouldn't have helped anyone really.

I suspect that he might have been more damning in his opposition to the coup had the army drawn up the laws needed to absolve the coup-makers before actually executing the coup, as Chalerm did in Yinglak's convenient absence.

[MikeOboe57]

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, Mr Thaksin's youngest sister, did not chair Tuesday’s cabinet meeting, saying she could not return from Sing Buri province where she visited flood victims as her helicopter had no radar for night flights.

ROFLMAO (sorry)

You don't need radar for night flights. F/W aircraft need a lighted runway for takeoffs and landings at night, helicopters can takeoff and land anywhere during nighttime.

You need radar for: - instrument flying to detect embedded thunderstorms

- airborne radar instrument approaches (military aircraft only at designated airfields with certified and published ARA)

- as a warning against flying into terrain (CFIT) for fast airplanes

And if you do a proper preflight planning you will select a sufficient enroute altitude from your aeronautical charts to prevent any CFIT.

Yingluck's excuse is Bullsh...

I would urgently recommend that the Government put some more brain into their publicity stunts. Right now their fiddling around these subjects is laughable and plain embarrassing.

[philw]

I mean if he didn't take this position he would be a hypocritical piece of shit wouldn't he.

Funny, that is how I sometimes conclude you after reading some of your posts.

Irony is difficult, isn't it.....

Sorry I'm late, guys, had to work, really a bother I must admit.

It's interesting to read that some even try to vaguely suggest k. Abhisit is guilty as hell as well. I mean, when lots of 'upright' people were voicing their discontent with k. Abhisit going on a three-day holiday while Thailand was suffering from it's direst disaster (law), Dept. PM Chalerm was reading up on the finer details of law to find a way to get his Lord and Master absolved with minimal intrusion on his Lordship's God-given right of freedom to do as He pleases.

PM Yingluck can't be bothered to answer question, that's why k. Chalerm was appointed, wasn't it?

Well, well, what more should I say, 'the usual suspects confusing irony with BS and other types of bovine excrement' ?

Not wishing to be pedantic Ruble, but if something is a god given right, it does not require the support of mortal Law.

Otherwise spot on, but what was the question that Yingluck could not be bothered to answer ????

[jayboy]

I agree wholeheartedly. Still, whilst he may have condemned the coup as undemocratic, he could have gone further and refused to work with the Junta at all. But then that wouldn't have helped anyone really.

I suspect that he might have been more damning in his opposition to the coup had the army drawn up the laws needed to absolve the coup-makers before actually executing the coup, as Chalerm did in Yinglak's convenient absence.

It's difficult for Abhisit because his path to power was launched from the barracks.The Junta and the indolent and incompetent quisling government that followed had long gone when Abhisit came to power (quite legitimately I would stress under a parliamentary system).But this was the result the unelected elites had worked toward with the aid of directed judicial interventions, a rigged constitution and military heavy handedness.His problem is that each time the Thai people are asked to endorse the unelected elites' agenda, they just knock it out of the ball park.Someone as bright as Abhisit might hopefully have been expected to get the message.So what we want to know now do the old elites accept the position or not.

For the record I hope Thaksin doesn't get his pardon.If he had as much sensitivity and self awareness as the average bog roll, he should have realised that he has actually already won.Now he should just shut the .... up.

Edited November 16, 2011 by jayboy

[rubl]

Sorry I'm late, guys, had to work, really a bother I must admit.

It's interesting to read that some even try to vaguely suggest k. Abhisit is guilty as hell as well. I mean, when lots of 'upright' people were voicing their discontent with k. Abhisit going on a three-day holiday while Thailand was suffering from it's direst disaster (law), Dept. PM Chalerm was reading up on the finer details of law to find a way to get his Lord and Master absolved with minimal intrusion on his Lordship's God-given right of freedom to do as He pleases.

PM Yingluck can't be bothered to answer question, that's why k. Chalerm was appointed, wasn't it?

Well, well, what more should I say, 'the usual suspects confusing irony with BS and other types of bovine excrement' ?

Not wishing to be pedantic Ruble, but if something is a god given right, it does not require the support of mortal Law.

Otherwise spot on, but what was the question that Yingluck could not be bothered to answer ????

Tomorrow PM Yingluck will not be available, as usual Dept. PM Chalerm will answer any questions MPs may have.

As for God-given rights, you're spot on, mortals shouldn't support them.

[givenall]

Well, before the democrat bashers sign on, let me just say how much I admire Deputy Prime minister Chalerm's transparency and apparent naiivete.

"The deputy premier however declined to comment whether the government's move will benefit Mr Thaksin."

I guess money still can buy anything, Election, Jail time, etc.

[JohnDenver]

Seeing as how the "administrators" here love to delete posts that contain too much truth, I will keep this very succinct and put as little "hard-truth" in as-possible to avoid having what I have to say removed because it is "off-topic."

I told all of you what you have to look-forward-to here in the next year, and you will have to make very difficult decisions if you are "farang." What I had to say was nothing but the stone-cold truth of the family with whom I am involved and what has been told to me directly by my girlfriend's father.

I am leaving, hopefully WITH HER, but knowing what I know I will not stay here when the $$$!-hits-the-fan due to all of these crises coming-together and the people having no other recourse except to fight violently among themselves...not to mention all of the other peripheral matters involving rip-off prices for goods and services and absolute in-your-face corruption on ALL SIDES.

Enjoy the show. *smirks*

[Sharp]

Well the boys will be back again to take over

[looping]

Now we know why "Thaksin wil definitely come back in December"

Don't know what to say...

This news makes me feel physically ill!

[philw]

I agree wholeheartedly. Still, whilst he may have condemned the coup as undemocratic, he could have gone further and refused to work with the Junta at all. But then that wouldn't have helped anyone really.

I suspect that he might have been more damning in his opposition to the coup had the army drawn up the laws needed to absolve the coup-makers before actually executing the coup, as Chalerm did in Yinglak's convenient absence.

It's difficult for Abhisit because his path to power was launched from the barracks.The Junta and the indolent and incompetent quisling government that followed had long gone when Abhisit came to power (quite legitimately I would stress under a parliamentary system).But this was the result the unelected elites had worked toward with the aid of directed judicial interventions, a rigged constitution and military heavy handedness.His problem is that each time the Thai people are asked to endorse the unelected elites' agenda, they just knock it out of the ball park.Someone as bright as Abhisit might hopefully have been expected to get the message.So what we want to know now do the old elites accept the position or not.

For the record I hope Thaksin doesn't get his pardon.If he had as much sensitivity and self awareness as the average bog roll, he should have realised that he has actually already won.Now he should just shut the .... up.

I think both of you are right.

The return of Thaksin will probably be a disaster for the country but all we can do is watch from the wings, as a totally selfish agenda unwinds.

The problem is the selfish blindness is on all sides.

Who knows how this will all end, let's just hope commen sense and moderation will win out.

Another coup and some sort of Government of national unity is now an increasing possibility but will not be good for the country and could tip us down an even dirtier road.

If it happens, i think it will be fast.

I don't think there are any winners in the current politics and the loser, sadly, is the ordinary Thai people.

Hope calm heads prevail.

[whybother]

I think both of you are right.

The return of Thaksin will probably be a disaster for the country but all we can do is watch from the wings, as a totally selfish agenda unwinds.

The problem is the selfish blindness is on all sides.

Who knows how this will all end, let's just hope commen sense and moderation will win out.

Another coup and some sort of Government of national unity is now an increasing possibility but will not be good for the country and could tip us down an even dirtier road.

If it happens, i think it will be fast.

I don't think there are any winners in the current politics and the loser, sadly, is the ordinary Thai people.

Hope calm heads prevail.

A coup will not be good for the country, and a government of national unity actually needs at least a little bit of unity.

I don't think Thaksin or his supporters will accept anything except having Thaksin or his proxy in power. His opposition might accept a proxy if Thaksin is out of the lime light, but they won't accept him up front.

[LuckyLew]

For this amnesty decree, would taksin still need a royal pardon?

can the person giving the pardons say "No"?

[kutjebu]

I think both of you are right.

The return of Thaksin will probably be a disaster for the country but all we can do is watch from the wings, as a totally selfish agenda unwinds.

The problem is the selfish blindness is on all sides.

Who knows how this will all end, let's just hope commen sense and moderation will win out.

Another coup and some sort of Government of national unity is now an increasing possibility but will not be good for the country and could tip us down an even dirtier road.

If it happens, i think it will be fast.

I don't think there are any winners in the current politics and the loser, sadly, is the ordinary Thai people.

Hope calm heads prevail.

A coup will not be good for the country, and a government of national unity actually needs at least a little bit of unity.

I don't think Thaksin or his supporters will accept anything except having Thaksin or his proxy in power. His opposition might accept a proxy if Thaksin is out of the lime light, but they won't accept him up front.

The majority of Thais want Thaksin back.They call that Democracy.The most of you guys never hear about that word.

[hammered]

I agree wholeheartedly. Still, whilst he may have condemned the coup as undemocratic, he could have gone further and refused to work with the Junta at all. But then that wouldn't have helped anyone really.

I suspect that he might have been more damning in his opposition to the coup had the army drawn up the laws needed to absolve the coup-makers before actually executing the coup, as Chalerm did in Yinglak's convenient absence.

It's difficult for Abhisit because his path to power was launched from the barracks.The Junta and the indolent and incompetent quisling government that followed had long gone when Abhisit came to power (quite legitimately I would stress under a parliamentary system).But this was the result the unelected elites had worked toward with the aid of directed judicial interventions, a rigged constitution and military heavy handedness.His problem is that each time the Thai people are asked to endorse the unelected elites' agenda, they just knock it out of the ball park.Someone as bright as Abhisit might hopefully have been expected to get the message.So what we want to know now do the old elites accept the position or not.

For the record I hope Thaksin doesn't get his pardon.If he had as much sensitivity and self awareness as the average bog roll, he should have realised that he has actually already won.Now he should just shut the .... up.

I think both of you are right.

The return of Thaksin will probably be a disaster for the country but all we can do is watch from the wings, as a totally selfish agenda unwinds.

The problem is the selfish blindness is on all sides.

Who knows how this will all end, let's just hope commen sense and moderation will win out.

Another coup and some sort of Government of national unity is now an increasing possibility but will not be good for the country and could tip us down an even dirtier road.

If it happens, i think it will be fast.

I don't think there are any winners in the current politics and the loser, sadly, is the ordinary Thai people.

Hope calm heads prevail.

A coup wont result in a national unity government. The other problem with a coup is the obvious military divisions. Last April and May it seemed every military decision was known by the red shirts before it happened and the reshuffles since probably leave even more upset.

[philw]

I agree wholeheartedly. Still, whilst he may have condemned the coup as undemocratic, he could have gone further and refused to work with the Junta at all. But then that wouldn't have helped anyone really.

I suspect that he might have been more damning in his opposition to the coup had the army drawn up the laws needed to absolve the coup-makers before actually executing the coup, as Chalerm did in Yinglak's convenient absence.

It's difficult for Abhisit because his path to power was launched from the barracks.The Junta and the indolent and incompetent quisling government that followed had long gone when Abhisit came to power (quite legitimately I would stress under a parliamentary system).But this was the result the unelected elites had worked toward with the aid of directed judicial interventions, a rigged constitution and military heavy handedness.His problem is that each time the Thai people are asked to endorse the unelected elites' agenda, they just knock it out of the ball park.Someone as bright as Abhisit might hopefully have been expected to get the message.So what we want to know now do the old elites accept the position or not.

For the record I hope Thaksin doesn't get his pardon.If he had as much sensitivity and self awareness as the average bog roll, he should have realised that he has actually already won.Now he should just shut the .... up.

I think both of you are right.

The return of Thaksin will probably be a disaster for the country but all we can do is watch from the wings, as a totally selfish agenda unwinds.

The problem is the selfish blindness is on all sides.

Who knows how this will all end, let's just hope common sense and moderation will win out.

Another coup and some sort of Government of national unity is now an increasing possibility but will not be good for the country and could tip us down an even dirtier road.

If it happens, i think it will be fast.

I don't think there are any winners in the current politics and the loser, sadly, is the ordinary Thai people.

Hope calm heads prevail.

A coup wont result in a national unity government. The other problem with a coup is the obvious military divisions. Last April and May it seemed every military decision was known by the red shirts before it happened and the reshuffles since probably leave even more upset.

Yes, I agree , on the face of it a coup is very unlikely and extremely bad for all.

Notwithstanding that, powerful emotions are being awoken and there are a lot of loonies out there.

One or two salient events and the picture changes again, quickly.

It's probably gone way beyond the Thaksin issue anyway.

I think people are starting to question that what was previously beyond question.

The military must know and dislike that and i think they have to act.

Otherwise their very essence is in question.

Hope I am wrong.

Either way, it has to be accepted that Thaksin is still a player.

Right or wrong he is in the field.

[gregb]

I think both of you are right.

The return of Thaksin will probably be a disaster for the country but all we can do is watch from the wings, as a totally selfish agenda unwinds.

The problem is the selfish blindness is on all sides.

Who knows how this will all end, let's just hope commen sense and moderation will win out.

Another coup and some sort of Government of national unity is now an increasing possibility but will not be good for the country and could tip us down an even dirtier road.

If it happens, i think it will be fast.

I don't think there are any winners in the current politics and the loser, sadly, is the ordinary Thai people.

Hope calm heads prevail.

A coup will not be good for the country, and a government of national unity actually needs at least a little bit of unity.

I don't think Thaksin or his supporters will accept anything except having Thaksin or his proxy in power. His opposition might accept a proxy if Thaksin is out of the lime light, but they won't accept him up front.

The majority of Thais want Thaksin back.They call that Democracy.The most of you guys never hear about that word.

I have a thought experiment for you. Assume we live on an island that is nominally democratic. I want to rape your daughter, but naturally you and she are opposed to it. But I promise everyone else on the island 1000 baht if they promise to follow me. Then I go ahead and rape your daughter against her will. A court tries me and convicts me, but I ignore that and a popular vote is taken on my guilt. I win a majority and am declared innocent.

You honestly think that is democracy do you? You have a lot to learn. Red democracy is something this country can do without. Thaksin is a criminal. It doesn't matter how many people want him back nor how he managed to hoodwink many into liking him. And pardoning him is just making a mockery of what little justice Thailand has ever had. Reds don't understand things like equality, justice and fairness though. They only understand greed and handouts.

A coup is completely justified if the reds continue to insist on this subversion of justice.

[philw]

I think both of you are right.

The return of Thaksin will probably be a disaster for the country but all we can do is watch from the wings, as a totally selfish agenda unwinds.

The problem is the selfish blindness is on all sides.

Who knows how this will all end, let's just hope commen sense and moderation will win out.

Another coup and some sort of Government of national unity is now an increasing possibility but will not be good for the country and could tip us down an even dirtier road.

If it happens, i think it will be fast.

I don't think there are any winners in the current politics and the loser, sadly, is the ordinary Thai people.

Hope calm heads prevail.

A coup will not be good for the country, and a government of national unity actually needs at least a little bit of unity.

I don't think Thaksin or his supporters will accept anything except having Thaksin or his proxy in power. His opposition might accept a proxy if Thaksin is out of the lime light, but they won't accept him up front.

The majority of Thais want Thaksin back.They call that Democracy.The most of you guys never hear about that word.

I have a thought experiment for you. Assume we live on an island that is nominally democratic. I want to rape your daughter, but naturally you and she are opposed to it. But I promise everyone else on the island 1000 baht if they promise to follow me. Then I go ahead and rape your daughter against her will. A court tries me and convicts me, but I ignore that and a popular vote is taken on my guilt. I win a majority and am declared innocent.

You honestly think that is democracy do you? You have a lot to learn. Red democracy is something this country can do without. Thaksin is a criminal. It doesn't matter how many people want him back nor how he managed to hoodwink many into liking him. And pardoning him is just making a mockery of what little justice Thailand has ever had. Reds don't understand things like equality, justice and fairness though. They only understand greed and handouts.

A coup is completely justified if the reds continue to insist on this subversion of justice.

Sorry mate, total nonsense.

You forgot the consent part..........

Your penultimate sorry, 3rd to last sentence is a complete insult to the Thai electorate.

All 35 million of them.

( and nonsensical )

Edited November 16, 2011 by philw

[whybother]

The majority of Thais want Thaksin back.They call that Democracy.The most of you guys never hear about that word.

I must have missed that poll.

Your response: The election blah blah.

a ) 48%

b ) People voting for PTP didn't necessarily want Thaksin back.

[gregb]

A coup will not be good for the country, and a government of national unity actually needs at least a little bit of unity.

I don't think Thaksin or his supporters will accept anything except having Thaksin or his proxy in power. His opposition might accept a proxy if Thaksin is out of the lime light, but they won't accept him up front.

The majority of Thais want Thaksin back.They call that Democracy.The most of you guys never hear about that word.

I have a thought experiment for you. Assume we live on an island that is nominally democratic. I want to rape your daughter, but naturally you and she are opposed to it. But I promise everyone else on the island 1000 baht if they promise to follow me. Then I go ahead and rape your daughter against her will. A court tries me and convicts me, but I ignore that and a popular vote is taken on my guilt. I win a majority and am declared innocent.

You honestly think that is democracy do you? You have a lot to learn. Red democracy is something this country can do without. Thaksin is a criminal. It doesn't matter how many people want him back nor how he managed to hoodwink many into liking him. And pardoning him is just making a mockery of what little justice Thailand has ever had. Reds don't understand things like equality, justice and fairness though. They only understand greed and handouts.

A coup is completely justified if the reds continue to insist on this subversion of justice.

Sorry mate, total nonsense.

You forgot the consent part..........

Your penultimate sorry, 3rd to last sentence is a complete insult to the Thai electorate.

All 35 million of them.

( and nonsensical )

You are very wrong there philw old boy. The fact that there are not 35 million people rising up in horror at what the government just did shows my statement is completely justified. What is being done is against fairness and justice for me and people like me that Thaksin (metaphorically) raped.