Australian Tourist Visa Application

[Ooladolla]

Sorry you had a bad experience, I took my partner through two times that way, no problem

[Surin13]

On 11/11/2017 at 9:18 PM, Silvermane said:

Haha, early days still Surin, but appreciate the sentiment :)

Yeah no problems, I am sure you understand that the visa has given you options many wish for. 

[MrPatrickThai]

On 11/12/2017 at 11:02 AM, Ooladolla said:

Sorry about this but I'm writing as I go through the forms..the signatures on Part N ? Did you have to print the form sign them and then send a photo of the form ? 

I've said that I financially looking after my wife, is there an online version of this form?

[kylebrent21]

Hi,Im doing all my application for Tourist visa for Australia online..I think you need to fill out the form,scan and attached on your application...

[MrPatrickThai]

47 minutes ago, kylebrent21 said:

Hi,Im doing all my application for Tourist visa for Australia online..I think you need to fill out the form,scan and attached on your application...

Yeah, you do, sign it and attach.

[Menyang]

Newbie here so please bear with me. Ive booked an appointment for my son and I at Trendy House for next week. I am a Uk passport holder and my 13 year old son carries a Thai Passport. We are applying for an Aussie tourist visa for next year.

I am in information meltdown but I'm sure thats my fault rather than the websites I'm trying to view.

Is there anybody here , who likes writing, that can explain to me the process from a point of entering Trendy House and queuing for the elevator.  What information I should be carrying (remembering my son is 13). I dont have debit or credit cards so what is the best method of payment for my visa as I understand I can pay vfs charges in cash. Any information is much appreciated. Thanks in advance

[simple1]

On 03/12/2017 at 4:41 PM, Menyang said:

Newbie here so please bear with me. Ive booked an appointment for my son and I at Trendy House for next week. I am a Uk passport holder and my 13 year old son carries a Thai Passport. We are applying for an Aussie tourist visa for next year.

I am in information meltdown but I'm sure thats my fault rather than the websites I'm trying to view.

Is there anybody here , who likes writing, that can explain to me the process from a point of entering Trendy House and queuing for the elevator.  What information I should be carrying (remembering my son is 13). I dont have debit or credit cards so what is the best method of payment for my visa as I understand I can pay vfs charges in cash. Any information is much appreciated. Thanks in advance

 

http://www.vfsglobal.com/Australia/Thailand/contact_us.html

[xerostar]

Just had a refusal to grant my TGF an Oz tourist visa.

We submitted a well prepared application at visa centre.

The reason for refusal ?

They believed my gf would

overstay because their were not enough reasons for her to return to Thailand.

It was very disappointing as she had never travelled outside Thailand and she was going to fly with me. I sent an email of complaint and they answered but simply reiterated the rules. No right of appeal and no refund.

How do you convince them ?

 

 

 

[Will27]

1 hour ago, xerostar said:

Just had a refusal to grant my TGF an Oz tourist visa.

We submitted a well prepared application at visa centre.

The reason for refusal ?

They believed my gf would

overstay because their were not enough reasons for her to return to Thailand.

It was very disappointing as she had never travelled outside Thailand and she was going to fly with me. I sent an email of complaint and they answered but simply reiterated the rules. No right of appeal and no refund.

How do you convince them ?

 

 

 

It would help if you gave the details of your application.

 

How long was the holiday requested? Work, family and relationship

history will all play a part.

 

Reasons to return to Thailand is one of the major things they look at.

 

Again, it's hard to give good advice if we can't see the application.

Can you post the refusal letter and block out the names etc?

[Surin13]

On 12/5/2017 at 2:06 PM, Will27 said:

It would help if you gave the details of your application.

 

How long was the holiday requested? Work, family and relationship

history will all play a part.

 

Reasons to return to Thailand is one of the major things they look at.

 

Again, it's hard to give good advice if we can't see the application.

Can you post the refusal letter and block out the names etc?

Agree with the above. 

[Sparkles]

On ‎12‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 8:12 AM, xerostar said:

Just had a refusal to grant my TGF an Oz tourist visa.

We submitted a well prepared application at visa centre.

The reason for refusal ?

They believed my gf would

overstay because their were not enough reasons for her to return to Thailand.

It was very disappointing as she had never travelled outside Thailand and she was going to fly with me. I sent an email of complaint and they answered but simply reiterated the rules. No right of appeal and no refund.

How do you convince them ?

 

 

 

Can imagine your frustration but to be honest you really didnt have a chance.Not married and if GF did not have a job or some real estate very predictable.Of course they should advise you this at intervew/submission time but they never do.Money for jam.

 

You cant convince them,they are totally inflexible

 

Some of the requirements are plain stupid .My Thai wife of 13 years has been 4 times to Oz but our latest application,which was successful, they insisted on a photo copy of her Bangkok Bank savings acccount even I was the sponsor,.This meant a trip back to our house and host of photo copies and the balance on each page never exceeded 25,000 baht.Not sure that would take you far in Oz or here for that matter.When I asked why ?it was met with a blank look

 

Fees for permanent settlement in Australia for both of us ,if we wanted it, and letters re income etc  from our embassy etc have sky rocketed and will continue to rise IMO

[Will27]

10 minutes ago, Sparkles said:

Can imagine your frustration but to be honest you really didnt have a chance.Not married and if GF did not have a job or some real estate very predictable.Of course they should advise you this at intervew/submission time but they never do.Money for jam.

 

You cant convince them,they are totally inflexible

 

Some of the requirements are plain stupid .My Thai wife of 13 years has been 4 times to Oz but our latest application,which was successful, they insisted on a photo copy of her Bangkok Bank savings acccount even I was the sponsor,.This meant a trip back to our house and host of photo copies and the balance on each page never exceeded 25,000 baht.Not sure that would take you far in Oz or here for that matter.When I asked why ?it was met with a blank look

 

Fees for permanent settlement in Australia for both of us ,if we wanted it, and letters re income etc  from our embassy etc have sky rocketed and will continue to rise IMO

To be fair, plenty of people get a visa with no job or property.

 

It all depends on the quality of the application.

The refusal rate for visitor visas from Thailand is very small.

[MrPatrickThai]

11 minutes ago, Sparkles said:

Can imagine your frustration but to be honest you really didnt have a chance.Not married and if GF did not have a job or some real estate very predictable.Of course they should advise you this at intervew/submission time but they never do.Money for jam.

 

You cant convince them,they are totally inflexible

 

Some of the requirements are plain stupid .My Thai wife of 13 years has been 4 times to Oz but our latest application,which was successful, they insisted on a photo copy of her Bangkok Bank savings acccount even I was the sponsor,.This meant a trip back to our house and host of photo copies and the balance on each page never exceeded 25,000 baht.Not sure that would take you far in Oz or here for that matter.When I asked why ?it was met with a blank look

 

Fees for permanent settlement in Australia for both of us ,if we wanted it, and letters re income etc  from our embassy etc have sky rocketed and will continue to rise IMO

Strange, I'm not even Australian and my wife was not asked for that. I was not even asked for any financial proof. 

[xerostar]

My gf was denied a tourist visa early December by Woraporn R.
My gf is 41 and a doting grandmother of her first grandchild. She is self employed. She has a tyre shop run by her son-in-law the other is hair salon where she works with her two 19 year old children. Woraporn R. stated that she wasnt convinced my gf had genuine employment and "did not need to read the application any further" to determine my gf would not return to Thailand.
I wrote an email complaining to the embassy but got the standard reply.
I recently made an online complaint to Canberra with suggestions as how they could improve the vetting process. I received a reply with the usual thanks but doubtful anything will change.

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[simple1]

21 hours ago, weri said:

Hi,

just a question, has anyone ever had any dealings with a "Atchima" with position number 60038761 ???

This person is the decision maker who decides if you get an Australian Tourist Visa for a Thai National.

Background story: I (76 year old married Australian) was invited by a Thai National in 2015 and 2016 to visit Thailand by this 52 year old female Thai, married with 1 son and property in Thailand, out of gratitude, I invited her back to see my Australia with sponsoring her holiday over in Australia and also to help with the difficult visa application.

I lodged the application on 13. Dec. 17 and this "Atchima" refused the application on 20. Dec. 17 with reason given, that "Atchima" does not believe that my Thai friend would return to Thailand !!! ?? !!

I feel very much offended and insulted by this reasoning, simple for the fact that "Atchima"  did not based his/her? decision on facts without checking and waiting for further evidence which we wanted to provide on my forthcoming visit to the Embassy in March 18.

Also standard procedure for an interview at the Embassy was not followed, furthermore as the decision is final, there is no re-evaluation and the fee of $AUS 140.- is also not refunded. My complaints achieved nothing and ended in repeating their bla-bla about Visa- subclass etc. pp.  

I believe very strongly that people like this "Atchima" should not be employed in a position of decision making power and should be better monitored by more experienced Embassy staff!!

I shall continue to complain to the newly Department of Homeaffairs, and consider the blatant response from the Australian Embassy in Bangkok as unacceptable.

Would like to hear anyone's thoughts on this decision that was done as "Atchima" stated "after careful consideration" ???  

You can reapply. This time with all the required doco and reasons why would not overstay with the application. 

 

https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/600-/Visitor-visa-(subclass-600)-Tourist-Stream-document-checklist

[Will27]

21 hours ago, weri said:

Hi,

just a question, has anyone ever had any dealings with a "Atchima" with position number 60038761 ???

This person is the decision maker who decides if you get an Australian Tourist Visa for a Thai National.

Background story: I (76 year old married Australian) was invited by a Thai National in 2015 and 2016 to visit Thailand by this 52 year old female Thai, married with 1 son and property in Thailand, out of gratitude, I invited her back to see my Australia with sponsoring her holiday over in Australia and also to help with the difficult visa application.

I lodged the application on 13. Dec. 17 and this "Atchima" refused the application on 20. Dec. 17 with reason given, that "Atchima" does not believe that my Thai friend would return to Thailand !!! ?? !!

I feel very much offended and insulted by this reasoning, simple for the fact that "Atchima"  did not based his/her? decision on facts without checking and waiting for further evidence which we wanted to provide on my forthcoming visit to the Embassy in March 18.

Also standard procedure for an interview at the Embassy was not followed, furthermore as the decision is final, there is no re-evaluation and the fee of $AUS 140.- is also not refunded. My complaints achieved nothing and ended in repeating their bla-bla about Visa- subclass etc. pp.  

I believe very strongly that people like this "Atchima" should not be employed in a position of decision making power and should be better monitored by more experienced Embassy staff!!

I shall continue to complain to the newly Department of Homeaffairs, and consider the blatant response from the Australian Embassy in Bangkok as unacceptable.

Would like to hear anyone's thoughts on this decision that was done as "Atchima" stated "after careful consideration" ???  

A few things. The decision maker is not required to wait for further evidence as you put it.

Once you  submit the application, unless asked for extra information, that's pretty much it.

 

What do you mean by "standard procedure" for an interview?

 

With due respect, you have no idea how long the decision maker has been employed or her/his experience level.

Rather than taking it so personally, you would be better off, reapplying as suggested by simple,1 instead of wasting

your time complaining to the authorities TBH.

 

If you want others opinion on the refusal, post the letter without the personal details so it can be looked at.

It's hard to give an opinion without looking at the facts.

 

 

 

 

 

[Peterw42]

22 hours ago, weri said:

Hi,

just a question, has anyone ever had any dealings with a "Atchima" with position number 60038761 ???

This person is the decision maker who decides if you get an Australian Tourist Visa for a Thai National.

Background story: I (76 year old married Australian) was invited by a Thai National in 2015 and 2016 to visit Thailand by this 52 year old female Thai, married with 1 son and property in Thailand, out of gratitude, I invited her back to see my Australia with sponsoring her holiday over in Australia and also to help with the difficult visa application.

I lodged the application on 13. Dec. 17 and this "Atchima" refused the application on 20. Dec. 17 with reason given, that "Atchima" does not believe that my Thai friend would return to Thailand !!! ?? !!

I feel very much offended and insulted by this reasoning, simple for the fact that "Atchima"  did not based his/her? decision on facts without checking and waiting for further evidence which we wanted to provide on my forthcoming visit to the Embassy in March 18.

Also standard procedure for an interview at the Embassy was not followed, furthermore as the decision is final, there is no re-evaluation and the fee of $AUS 140.- is also not refunded. My complaints achieved nothing and ended in repeating their bla-bla about Visa- subclass etc. pp.  

I believe very strongly that people like this "Atchima" should not be employed in a position of decision making power and should be better monitored by more experienced Embassy staff!!

I shall continue to complain to the newly Department of Homeaffairs, and consider the blatant response from the Australian Embassy in Bangkok as unacceptable.

Would like to hear anyone's thoughts on this decision that was done as "Atchima" stated "after careful consideration" ???  

OP, its no use getting personal and calling for the sacking of Atchima, they all follow the same criteria and your application failed the criteria, if Somechai did your application it would be Somchai's name on the refusal.

 

It comes down to flight risk, reasons to return to Thailand. then funds for the trip.

 

Returning an invitation to a Thai friend means nothing.

 

They look at Job and kids etc as reasons to return, regular income (from a job) and funds in a bank book, or funds from a sponsor. Funds from a sponsor they then look at the relationship with the sponsor.

 

You dont mention your Thai friend having a Job, that would be 90% of the failure.

 

There are no interviews for tourist Visa's, not sure were you get that from.

 

Think of it as a points system, you need 100 points to get a Visa, a job maybe 30 points, young kids maybe 30 points, a longterm boyfriend sponsor (and proof) maybe another 30 points etc.

 

There are 100s of applications every week where a guy on 2 weeks holiday wants to bring a bar girl home. The process is to filter those applications out.

 

Calling for the sacking of the person who refused the application is like calling for sacking the bank employee who refused your loan application.

[Sparkles]

On ‎12‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 3:32 PM, Will27 said:

To be fair, plenty of people get a visa with no job or property.

 

It all depends on the quality of the application.

The refusal rate for visitor visas from Thailand is very small.

Not sure what you mean by the quality of the application.Yes most people do get approved but for those that dont and there is a substantial percentage the reasons are in a very "grey" area,see post 435.If priority is given to those Thai ladies having  a good job that is pretty meaningless jobs can be gone tomorrow.

Our application was done in Chiang Mai and I found it quite frustrating that the employee had very little grasp of English and all questions were directed to my wife when I was the sponsor.Having to copy every page of my wifes savings account was to my mind totally unecessary.After 3 previous approvals this was never a requirement but I know Thais love paper

[Will27]

2 hours ago, Sparkles said:

Not sure what you mean by the quality of the application.Yes most people do get approved but for those that dont and there is a substantial percentage the reasons are in a very "grey" area,see post 435.If priority is given to those Thai ladies having  a good job that is pretty meaningless jobs can be gone tomorrow.

Our application was done in Chiang Mai and I found it quite frustrating that the employee had very little grasp of English and all questions were directed to my wife when I was the sponsor.Having to copy every page of my wifes savings account was to my mind totally unecessary.After 3 previous approvals this was never a requirement but I know Thais love paper

In my opinion, the vast majority of applications that get refused submit substandard applications.

I agree you do get the occasional one where it makes no sense, but I think the majority are just poor applications.

 

Post 435 is just the opinion of the poster. Unless you can see the refusal letter, it's pretty hard to make a call on whether you

think it's a good or bad decision.

 

Not sure what you mean by a "substantial percentage". I think the refusal rate is less than 4% for tourist visas.

 

The application is your wife's and they really have no need to discuss anything with you.

You're just providing financial support.

In a lot of occasions, the sponsor isn't even allowed at the interview.

[xerostar]

Can somebody tell me:
After a failed application and submitting a new application, is it necessary to submit all photographs and documents such as communication records again ? After all they already have about 40 pages of our info that has not changed since the first application.


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[Will27]

15 hours ago, xerostar said:

Can somebody tell me:
After a failed application and submitting a new application, is it necessary to submit all photographs and documents such as communication records again ? After all they already have about 40 pages of our info that has not changed since the first application.


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Yep, it's a brand new application I'm afraid.

 

Why on earth someone would feel the need to submit 40 pages of information though is beyond me.

The decision makes isn't going to read it all.

 

If you're going to reply, make sure you address the reasons why the application was refused in the first

place or you will just be wasting time and money again.

[Flying Ace]

Hi guys,

thanks so much for all the information on here, it’s been invaluable going through it all!

I’m hoping someone could give some advice:

 

I’m currently engaged to my Vietnamese fiancée, and have been for just over a year. We’ve been together since 2014 and I have travelled to Vietnam 6 times over that time, this last trip we both went to Thailand together. We talk two-three times a day on the phone, and she regularly talks to my parents and other family members. My parents came with me to Vietnam for our engagement.

 

We engaged the services of a migration agent here in Australia around a year ago to get the ball rolling for a partner visa, but we still haven’t put an application in due to many different circumstances. I did ask the agent during my first meeting with them about allowing my fiancée to come to Australia on a visitor visa, but she advised against that saying that the possibility of her getting the visitor visa would be minimal. I realise now that migration agents aren’t interested in people looking to get a visitor visa which is why she steered us towards the $7,000 partner visa, and not the $140 visitor visa.

 

Having discovered this forum though, and after talking with a close family member who has a Thai girlfriend and has successfully applied and been granted visitor visas for Europe for her, he suggested we just try the visitor visa option and see how we go, and reading this forum has given me fresh impetus to bring her here for a little while whilst we get all the paperwork together for the partner application. 

 

She works in a restaurant and is paid cash weekly or fortnightly, it is of course a minimal paying job so her take home pay is very small, but I gathered from reading this forum that that is not an issue in itself. Problem probably will be my situation - I recently left my full time job due to stress, and now I am currently only working a few hours a week as an in-house graphic designer. I don’t have many savings, but am expecting my hours to be increased in the new year when my company is back up and running after the new year break. However even then my salary won’t be as high as I was earning with my full time job.

 

What would be the best way to go about this application? Can another family member sponsor her?

Many thanks for any advice!

 

Edit: should add this is the first time she would be coming to Australia.

[Surin13]

On 12/31/2017 at 2:11 PM, weri said:

Would like to hear anyone's thoughts on this decision that was done as "Atchima" stated "after careful consideration" ???  

Its sounds like your friend submitted a poor application and Atchima did her job well by refusing to grant a visa to them.  

 

Given your rather poor knowledge of the process (and your friends) maybe next time do some research or hire a registered immigration agent if your friend decides to apply again.  

[Surin13]

On 1/1/2018 at 2:54 PM, Sparkles said:

Not sure what you mean by the quality of the application.Yes most people do get approved but for those that dont and there is a substantial percentage

I wouldn't call 6.5% refusal rate over the last year a substantial percentage! 

 

On 1/1/2018 at 2:54 PM, Sparkles said:

the reasons are in a very "grey" area,see post 435.

The reason aren't "grey" I have post the assessment requirements before,  your application needs to address these requirements. Did they address these requirements?

 

On 1/1/2018 at 2:54 PM, Sparkles said:

Our application was done in Chiang Mai and I found it quite frustrating that the employee had very little grasp of English and all questions were directed to my wife when I was the sponsor.Having to copy every page of my wifes savings account was to my mind totally unecessary.After 3 previous approvals this was never a requirement but I know Thais love paper

The employee is just a document receiver and has no say in the decision or process except for receiving document.  

 

The questions where directed to your wife as she is the applicant, not you. Unless you completed the form 956 with the application they shouldn't be discussing the application with you at all or with you present. 

[Surin13]

On 1/2/2018 at 5:45 PM, Flying Ace said:

We engaged the services of a migration agent here in Australia around a year ago to get the ball rolling for a partner visa, but we still haven’t put an application in due to many different circumstances. I did ask the agent during my first meeting with them about allowing my fiancée to come to Australia on a visitor visa, but she advised against that saying that the possibility of her getting the visitor visa would be minimal.

Seeing that you have engaged an migration agent, it would be best to put your questions to them as they should know your circumstance in depth. If they have advised not to apply for a tourist visa then I would follow that advice. What is the reason they gave you for this?

 

Their advice wouldn't be about making money as they would be making money either way, the fee's you state are the application fees not the agents fees which go on top of thoses. Their primary goal is (should be) getting you a successful outcome. 

 

 

 

[Flying Ace]

1 hour ago, Surin13 said:

Seeing that you have engaged an migration agent, it would be best to put your questions to them as they should know your circumstance in depth. If they have advised not to apply for a tourist visa then I would follow that advice. What is the reason they gave you for this?

The reason they gave was that Vietnam is a high risk (of overstayers) country, nothing to do with our personal circumstances as such. Whilst I don't doubt this is the case, both my fiancée and I know of several Vietnamese who have successfully been granted visitor visas for Australia. Irrespective of the agent's views, is there any other advice people who have been through a similar situation have?

 

[Will27]

1 hour ago, Flying Ace said:

The reason they gave was that Vietnam is a high risk (of overstayers) country, nothing to do with our personal circumstances as such. Whilst I don't doubt this is the case, both my fiancée and I know of several Vietnamese who have successfully been granted visitor visas for Australia. Irrespective of the agent's views, is there any other advice people who have been through a similar situation have?

 

Just research the posts here and pop in an application.

 

Apart from the application fee, you really don't have anything to lose TBH.

 

 

[xerostar]

Yesterday we made our 2nd attempt to get a tourist visa.
We had prepared a lovely photo album with two postcard size photos per page with hand written notes under each photo. You know how convenient it is to look at photos that way, like reading a book?
Flatly rejected ! Albums not allowed !!
We had to quickly remove all pages from the album and hand them over as a stack of sheets in no particular order.
Hope this info will save other applicants some time in preparation.

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[Flying Ace]

I was just reading the Form 1149 which states that:

 

Quote

 

Who cannot sponsor?

There are no provisions for fiancés, cousins, friends or in-laws and New Zealand citizens to sponsor.

 

 

So I can't sponsor my fiancée, and neither can my parents?

[Will27]

1 hour ago, xerostar said:

Yesterday we made our 2nd attempt to get a tourist visa.
We had prepared a lovely photo album with two postcard size photos per page with hand written notes under each photo. You know how convenient it is to look at photos that way, like reading a book?
Flatly rejected ! Albums not allowed !!
We had to quickly remove all pages from the album and hand them over as a stack of sheets in no particular order.
Hope this info will save other applicants some time in preparation.

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