Tomboy Gik

[kerryk]

I think that 90% of Thai women have a relationship with a Tom at some stage in their life, and then move on to a boyfriend/husband, but it is very difficult to convince the Tom that the relationship is over. Too many male hormones I think.

90%? ... 90%? ... I think not.

Don't keep us in suspense Nigel. What percent is it?

[KeyserSoze01]

It's always interesting how guys biatch and moan about women wanting their money, yet they rather avoid western women who are considered a bit too emancipated/independent. You get what you give...

You know, I've been searching my whole life for a liberated woman that will provide me with money, security, a nice home and basically anything I want for little or nothing in return. Much like searching for an elusive unicorn.

You comments are really very humorous, especially on a Thai centric website where the majority of men are either with or seeking a relationship with a Thai woman. The minute a man tries to reverse the roles, we get replies like yours. Men, after 50 years of being belittled and used by the liberated fairer sex are finally starting to push back on the lopsided dynamic where men give and women receive. You wanted equality and respect, well it works both ways.

[mauGR1]

Thai wives ... they're just like American wives, German wives, Canadian wives, and Australian wives ... They ALL want your money.

But unlike those other wives, the Thai wives seem to want sex as well, a lot of sex.

Anyway back to the OP

If you want rid of Tom, start to get a bit attracted to her in front of the wife. wife will quickly become jealous and Tom will no longer be welcome.

This is sound advice. The next time the Tom puts her hands all over your wife, you do the same. Start fondling the Tom and see what the reaction is. If she complains, tell her that if she is going to manhandle your wife, you are going to get some too. If you all wind up in a sweaty pile on the bed, then everyone wins.

Uhm.. i disagree, the poor man could possibly find himself having troubles with 2 angry Thai women.

[kerryk]

Well, here's my advice:

1. Keep out of it;

2. Ask your mate to keep out if it too;

3. Women know what they want. His wife knows what she wants. She seems to be refusing the tom. She probably worked hard to get her man. She'd work hard to stop a girl taking her man too. She'll work hard to stop this tom getting in the middle of the relationship. She'll deal with it;

4. His wife may talk about it, but not to seek his help or advice, only to "share" - which seems to be a girl thing.

5. If your mate feels he must do something it should be indirect, such as simply suggesting a new restaurant for dinner, or a new place for a picnic or a new activity, but not tackle the issue head on.

6. You might reassure your friend by suggesting that if his wife had an inclination to spend time with another woman the altercation by the car might not have happened.

Nigel, my gosh 6 points. I assume this has happened to you many times. Yes? Or are you just making up the answers to see if they work?

[kerryk]

Your friend's wife doesn't have a husband, she has an ATM, simple as that!

Goodness... are you suggesting most Thai wives are "gold diggers"? Well I never, what is Thaivisa coming to????

Thai wives ... they're just like American wives, German wives, Canadian wives, and Australian wives ... They ALL want your money.

Nigel, have you had an American, German, Canadian, Australian and Thai wife? If not how do you know?

[kerryk]

Thai wives ... they're just like American wives, German wives, Canadian wives, and Australian wives ... They ALL want your money.

But unlike those other wives, the Thai wives seem to want sex as well, a lot of sex.

Anyway back to the OP

If you want rid of Tom, start to get a bit attracted to her in front of the wife. wife will quickly become jealous and Tom will no longer be welcome.

It should also be pointed out that the Toms want sex too.

[kerryk]

It's always interesting how guys biatch and moan about women wanting their money, yet they rather avoid western women who are considered a bit too emancipated/independent. You get what you give...

Thai women not not independent ya right. How long you been in town baby? 1 or 2 hours?

[KeyserSoze01]

Thai womens interest in Farang men is purely for money and a materially better life . I believe my thai wife does actually love me .

My wife has been doing Thai lovelinks for a widowed friend ; then she thought she would try herself . She has lots of response for herself , but little for her friend .

There has been Bill clearly a wealthy man . I had to write all the E Mails , with which more and more I pinned him down to be not ready for a relationship .

Now there is a frenchman , I have had to write more E Mails . They have started to Skype , but not too much activity lately .

My wife says that if she goes off with the frenchman , I will have to marry her younger sister , who is a very butch Tom .

My wife and other Thai women are very pretty and alluring , but really all they want is money .

I find it interesting that Ladyboys very often seem to live with a girl/woman in what seems to be a male and female lesbian relationship , perhaps with some heterosex thown in .

Do you not have any self respect?

[kerryk]

I sometimes wonder if I live in a different Thailand to others, I am frequently "flirted" with by the wives of Thai friends and in front of their husbands, not only that but the husbands and my partner encourage and enjoy this. Sexual pleasures and problems are openly publicly discussed and everyone wants to know how the farang shapes up in bed. All these taboos about touching that guide books talk about don't seem to exist, if I was to judge by what I see, most Thais in my village, male and female, are gay.

You have to realize most of the posters on Thai Visa don't live in Thailand and those who do are blind. That they type so well always amazes me.

[KeyserSoze01]

Thai wives ... they're just like American wives, German wives, Canadian wives, and Australian wives ... They ALL want your money.

But unlike those other wives, the Thai wives seem to want sex as well, a lot of sex.

Anyway back to the OP

If you want rid of Tom, start to get a bit attracted to her in front of the wife. wife will quickly become jealous and Tom will no longer be welcome.

This is sound advice. The next time the Tom puts her hands all over your wife, you do the same. Start fondling the Tom and see what the reaction is. If she complains, tell her that if she is going to manhandle your wife, you are going to get some too. If you all wind up in a sweaty pile on the bed, then everyone wins.

Uhm.. i disagree, the poor man could possibly find himself having troubles with 2 angry Thai women.

Then at least he knows where he stands and can move on with his life. I for one will not compete with anyone else for a woman's affections. Not man, woman nor beast.

[kerryk]

Why doesn't this guy just ask his wife why her friend keeps grabbing her boobs?

Foam rubber fetish.

[HowardH]

Thailand is sounding more horrible all the time, it all seems to be immersed in sexuality, and little else, i have been looking for a thai for a long time, i have have a lot of offers but i just didnt trust the ones i met, but now i am going off the idea of being in Thailand and marrying a Thai girl.

All sounds so mangy, and low class, seems like it would be near impossible to get an honorable girl to be and honerable Wife.

So much death and crime in Thailand, what a hole

Sorry but i hate what it has become there, once the Thai were the most honerable and proud people

Look at them now

Assuming you are correct when were they honorable and proud?

From what i have gleaned, before the very first American man stepped foot on their soil, this could be a long conversation kerryk, perhaps just look into the history of Thailand.

Thailand only 60 years ago was a very different landscape to now. Only 40 years ago they were known for their generosity and kindness only, where-as now, the Brothel of south-east asia, the land of giks, and lady-boys, bar girls and sleazy old farang.

Edited May 3, 2012 by HowardH

[kerryk]

Thai womens interest in Farang men is purely for money and a materially better life . I believe my thai wife does actually love me .

My wife has been doing Thai lovelinks for a widowed friend ; then she thought she would try herself . She has lots of response for herself , but little for her friend .

There has been Bill clearly a wealthy man . I had to write all the E Mails , with which more and more I pinned him down to be not ready for a relationship .

Now there is a frenchman , I have had to write more E Mails . They have started to Skype , but not too much activity lately .

My wife says that if she goes off with the frenchman , I will have to marry her younger sister , who is a very butch Tom .

My wife and other Thai women are very pretty and alluring , but really all they want is money .

I find it interesting that Ladyboys very often seem to live with a girl/woman in what seems to be a male and female lesbian relationship , perhaps with some heterosex thown in .

Boy are you new. The ladies would be up for it but a lady boy never.

[DP25]

Thai womens interest in Farang men is purely for money and a materially better life . I believe my thai wife does actually love me .

My wife has been doing Thai lovelinks for a widowed friend ; then she thought she would try herself . She has lots of response for herself , but little for her friend .

There has been Bill clearly a wealthy man . I had to write all the E Mails , with which more and more I pinned him down to be not ready for a relationship .

Now there is a frenchman , I have had to write more E Mails . They have started to Skype , but not too much activity lately .

My wife says that if she goes off with the frenchman , I will have to marry her younger sister , who is a very butch Tom .

My wife and other Thai women are very pretty and alluring , but really all they want is money .

I find it interesting that Ladyboys very often seem to live with a girl/woman in what seems to be a male and female lesbian relationship , perhaps with some heterosex thown in .

Make sure you get a cut of whatever your wife gets from her internet boyfriends. You deserve of percentage of each sin sot

[kerryk]

Thailand is sounding more horrible all the time, it all seems to be immersed in sexuality, and little else, i have been looking for a thai for a long time, i have have a lot of offers but i just didnt trust the ones i met, but now i am going off the idea of being in Thailand and marrying a Thai girl.

All sounds so mangy, and low class, seems like it would be near impossible to get an honorable girl to be and honerable Wife.

So much death and crime in Thailand, what a hole

Sorry but i hate what it has become there, once the Thai were the most honerable and proud people

Look at them now

Assuming you are correct when were they honorable and proud?

From what i have gleaned, before the very first American man stepped foot on their soil, this could be a long conversation kerryk, perhaps just look into the history of Thailand.

Thailand only 60 years ago was a very different landscape to now. Only 40 years ago they were known for their generosity and kindness only, where-as now, the Brothel of south-east asia, the land of giks, and lady-boys, bar girls and sleazy old farang.

When my father was a young man the majority of Thais were still serfs and slavery was still legal in Thailand with one third of the population slaves in some areas. Serfs and slaves are seldom known to be very proud. Maybe you should go back and gleaning.

Oh and I was here 40 years ago. Thailand also had a large and well established brothel trade when the Portuguese first arrived in sailing ships. Way back when it was sleazy old Portuguese.

[anterian]

I sometimes wonder if I live in a different Thailand to others, I am frequently "flirted" with by the wives of Thai friends and in front of their husbands, not only that but the husbands and my partner encourage and enjoy this. Sexual pleasures and problems are openly publicly discussed and everyone wants to know how the farang shapes up in bed. All these taboos about touching that guide books talk about don't seem to exist, if I was to judge by what I see, most Thais in my village, male and female, are gay.

You have to realize most of the posters on Thai Visa don't live in Thailand and those who do are blind. That they type so well always amazes me.

Indeed so. Actually I can guarantee that any social get together amongst Thais gets increasingly sexual both in tone and behaviour as the evening wears on. I am not a prude by any means but I find this constant sexualisation as an invariable adjunct to socialising irritating.

[HowardH]

Thailand is sounding more horrible all the time, it all seems to be immersed in sexuality, and little else, i have been looking for a thai for a long time, i have have a lot of offers but i just didnt trust the ones i met, but now i am going off the idea of being in Thailand and marrying a Thai girl.

All sounds so mangy, and low class, seems like it would be near impossible to get an honorable girl to be and honerable Wife.

So much death and crime in Thailand, what a hole

Sorry but i hate what it has become there, once the Thai were the most honerable and proud people

Look at them now

Assuming you are correct when were they honorable and proud?

From what i have gleaned, before the very first American man stepped foot on their soil, this could be a long conversation kerryk, perhaps just look into the history of Thailand.

Thailand only 60 years ago was a very different landscape to now. Only 40 years ago they were known for their generosity and kindness only, where-as now, the Brothel of south-east asia, the land of giks, and lady-boys, bar girls and sleazy old farang.

When my father was a young man the majority of Thais were still serfs and slavery was still legal in Thailand with one third of the population slaves in some areas. Serfs and slaves are seldom known to be very proud. Maybe you should go back and gleaning.

Oh and I was here 40 years ago. Thailand also had a large and well established brothel trade when the Portuguese first arrived in sailing ships. Way back when it was sleazy old Portuguese.

I disagree completely with your last point, but i am not interested in arguing with you, you seem to be the type of person that goes from thread to thread and making smart comments to perhaps make yourself feel smarter than you really are.

You seem to have an answer for everyone Kerryk, and most ignore your comments

You even try to erode any good memory or pride for the Thai people with your acid remarks, just for your own amusement, or maybe to show off

I like the others will ignore your comments from now on.

[kerryk]

I sometimes wonder if I live in a different Thailand to others, I am frequently "flirted" with by the wives of Thai friends and in front of their husbands, not only that but the husbands and my partner encourage and enjoy this. Sexual pleasures and problems are openly publicly discussed and everyone wants to know how the farang shapes up in bed. All these taboos about touching that guide books talk about don't seem to exist, if I was to judge by what I see, most Thais in my village, male and female, are gay.

You have to realize most of the posters on Thai Visa don't live in Thailand and those who do are blind. That they type so well always amazes me.

Indeed so. Actually I can guarantee that any social get together amongst Thais gets increasingly sexual both in tone and behaviour as the evening wears on. I am not a prude by any means but I find this constant sexualisation as an invariable adjunct to socialising irritating.

I agree with you except I enjoy it. I gave up jealously after my third divorce. Not worth the time and money and emotional hassle. I have only dated a couple of Tom's. They both liked to dance.

Actually fun ladies if approached right. They are right up there patting the girls on the bottom and watching football, getting drunk and acting like an Aussie.

[dekbahnnok]

get a new wife....the Tom is there for a reason.....no reason no Tom

[Beetlejuice]

Tom, Dee or however some describe them, they are lesbians. All too weird for me.

If this guy’s wife is a lesbian or has lesbian tendencies, than he has two choices.

Live with it or give the wife an ultimatum, either her friend goes or the marriage is over.

I guess that if both these women are middle aged and one is extremely butch, than seeing them together can’t be a pleasant sight.

I think perhaps that people who suddenly find themselves in these sorts of situations are afraid to lay down the law because the wife may just decide she would rather be with the friend rather than the husband. So the best way is to not become involved and just leave the guy alone to play it his way and let nature take it`s course.

[smokie36]

I really want to read all twenty pages but....I just can't do it....please can someone just edit for me the best posts.....just number 'em cheers....it sounds well....mmmmmmmmmm

[Ulysses G.]

I disagree completely with your last point, but i am not interested in arguing with you, you seem to be the type of person that goes from thread to thread and making smart comments to perhaps make yourself feel smarter than you really are.

Why the unnecessary personal attack? kerryk is right. There has been sex for sale here for centuries.

[FOODLOVER]

I really want to read all twenty pages but....I just can't do it....please can someone just edit for me the best posts.....just number 'em cheers....it sounds well....mmmmmmmmmm

There is one about British teenage girls riding horses in order to stimulate themselves sexually and someones 14 year old daughter getting banged by her tomboy friend. The usual.

[nocturn]

Thailand is sounding more horrible all the time, it all seems to be immersed in sexuality, and little else, i have been looking for a thai for a long time, i have have a lot of offers but i just didnt trust the ones i met, but now i am going off the idea of being in Thailand and marrying a Thai girl.

All sounds so mangy, and low class, seems like it would be near impossible to get an honorable girl to be and honerable Wife.

So much death and crime in Thailand, what a hole

Sorry but i hate what it has become there, once the Thai were the most honerable and proud people

Look at them now

From what i have gleaned, before the very first American man stepped foot on their soil, this could be a long conversation kerryk, perhaps just look into the history of Thailand.

Thailand only 60 years ago was a very different landscape to now. Only 40 years ago they were known for their generosity and kindness only, where-as now, the Brothel of south-east asia, the land of giks, and lady-boys, bar girls and sleazy old farang.

When my father was a young man the majority of Thais were still serfs and slavery was still legal in Thailand with one third of the population slaves in some areas. Serfs and slaves are seldom known to be very proud. Maybe you should go back and gleaning.

Oh and I was here 40 years ago. Thailand also had a large and well established brothel trade when the Portuguese first arrived in sailing ships. Way back when it was sleazy old Portuguese.

I disagree completely with your last point, but i am not interested in arguing with you, you seem to be the type of person that goes from thread to thread and making smart comments to perhaps make yourself feel smarter than you really are.

You seem to have an answer for everyone Kerryk, and most ignore your comments

You even try to erode any good memory or pride for the Thai people with your acid remarks, just for your own amusement, or maybe to show off

I like the others will ignore your comments from now on.

i find it amusing that you feel you have your finger on the pulse of the forum, and have appointed yourself spokesman for the board.

I would like to point out also, that it was you who made a butchery of the word "honerable" whilst claiming that Thais had lost theirs.

You even manage to get a dig in at the americans.

The fact remains it is you who has proven unable to find a mate, and denigrated an entire culture as a result of that failure.

KerryK is at least amusing. you, well, you are just miserable.

[kerryk]

I disagree completely with your last point, but i am not interested in arguing with you, you seem to be the type of person that goes from thread to thread and making smart comments to perhaps make yourself feel smarter than you really are.

Why the unnecessary personal attack? kerryk is right. There has been sex for sale here for centuries.

I think it is because I questioned his value system. Thailand outlawed slavery in the early 1900's. The ladies who were slaves with no place to go became hookers. It is like one of those catch 22 things. Sure it is a good thing not to have slaves but where do the slaves go after they are free? After that the depression of the 1930's hit which created more economic havoc for Thailand and more ladies getting jobs as hookers. Add that to the Chinese ladies that were already hookers in Thailand (At least two temples built by Chinese prostitutes still stand in Bangkok's Chinatown.) and you have a lot of hookers.

Thailand has always been unique in the GFE and that started hundreds of years ago there are even laws for the relationships between the GF and the client in olden times.

Some naive guys have a problem realizing their GF is actually a GFE and that is a Thai tradition dating back hundreds of years.

It reminds me of that American country song by Hank Williams JR.

Lordy, I have loved some ladies

and I have loved Jim Beam

and they both tried to kill me

in 1973

when that doctor asked me

Son how did you get in this condition

I said hey sawbones I'm just carryin on

an old family tradition.

It's the same thing in Thailand. People think there is some way some 19 year old farm boy from the American Midwest or the Australian Northern territories changed the direction and or corrupted the women in Bangkok. Yea right.

[Screws]

"Remember you are the boss, if only because you have the money."

Ex advice from masterbiker. And money is in two forms - income & assets.

Have all the income you like, leave your assets elsewhere. Bring your assets here, them 'n yer ass will soon be gone -

[pxlgirl]

Tom, Dee or however some describe them, they are lesbians. All too weird for me.

I guess that if both these women are middle aged and one is extremely butch, than seeing them together can’t be a pleasant sight.

What is so weird about lesbians? And why should it be a pleasant sight for you (or guys in general)? Is it because men have this fantasy of being irreplaceable?

[edwinclapham]

I sometimes wonder if I live in a different Thailand to others, I am frequently "flirted" with by the wives of Thai friends and in front of their husbands, not only that but the husbands and my partner encourage and enjoy this. Sexual pleasures and problems are openly publicly discussed and everyone wants to know how the farang shapes up in bed. All these taboos about touching that guide books talk about don't seem to exist, if I was to judge by what I see, most Thais in my village, male and female, are gay.

You have to realize most of the posters on Thai Visa don't live in Thailand and those who do are blind. That they type so well always amazes me.

Indeed so. Actually I can guarantee that any social get together amongst Thais gets increasingly sexual both in tone and behaviour as the evening wears on. I am not a prude by any means but I find this constant sexualisation as an invariable adjunct to socialising irritating.

I agree with you except I enjoy it. I gave up jealously after my third divorce. Not worth the time and money and emotional hassle. I have only dated a couple of Tom's. They both liked to dance.

Actually fun ladies if approached right. They are right up there patting the girls on the bottom and watching football, getting drunk and acting like an Aussie.

Educate me, what is acting like an Aussie?

[mauGR1]

Tom, Dee or however some describe them, they are lesbians. All too weird for me.

I guess that if both these women are middle aged and one is extremely butch, than seeing them together can’t be a pleasant sight.

What is so weird about lesbians? And why should it be a pleasant sight for you (or guys in general)? Is it because men have this fantasy of being irreplaceable?

Nothing weird at all..

But suppose you were married with a man, and few months later you had a male friend of him groping him in front of you...

Would that be weird for you or not ?

And the fantasy of being irreplaceable...Well, some women have that too..

Just to be fair, eh...

[edwinclapham]

Why heterosexual guys think they'd get off watching their GF with a masculine looking tom, I have no idea.

A lot of Thai "toms" are much more feminine than most "regular" girls back home. I am all for watching.

Goodness where is home?