Can Coming To Thailand Make You Bisexual?

[sunshine51]

I'm pretty sure that many men are being attracted to them. Last time I've been in Pattya, I saw a Kathoey bar full with foreign customers.

The World Wide Web is full with dating websites. The porno industry seems to make good money too.

Guess not just Thailand has a lot of them. People shouldn't make jokes about those who like them, because they are so straight.

Coming to Thailand could help many guys to live their sexuality as they want to.

My cat likes to eat mice, I don't. But I like my cat.......

Good analogy lostinissan....

[thenervoussurgeon]

I'm pretty sure that many men are being attracted to them. Last time I've been in Pattya, I saw a Kathoey bar full with foreign customers.

The World Wide Web is full with dating websites. The porno industry seems to make good money too.

Guess not just Thailand has a lot of them. People shouldn't make jokes about those who like them, because they are so straight.

Coming to Thailand could help many guys to live their sexuality as they want to.

My cat likes to eat mice, I don't. But I like my cat.......

Good analogy lostinissan....

I still like my mate ,not my problem who he wants to shag , as for gay men again nothing against someones sexuall preferences as long as they dont want to get married in church or adopt children ,that i am against

Edited August 21, 2012 by thenervoussurgeon

[chiangmaikelly]

So, if a male dresses up and acts like a female and so completely fools another "straight" guy that he gets the hots for the former, would you define the fooled guy as a homosexual just because he got attracted to a person with a Y chromosome ??

All this analysis misses the basic point that sexual orientation is all in the mind and the psyche. If a person is getting attracted by the feminine characteristics of the LB it is not a homosexual thing at all (not that being homosexual is a thing to be abhorred or be frightened of).

I will not pretend to understand different people's sexual proclivity or what games they play in their little heads to justify their behavior. All I am pointing out is that a man is a man is a man. No more, no less. If someone is attracted to a pipe fitter that has a 5 o'clock shadow, but is wearing a frock and tucks his junk away, then more power to them.

In your example, the "straight" guy was under the impression that he was indeed interested in a female based on the outward appearance. At the time he finds out that the she is actually a he, then that's where he has to do some soul searching to either move forward with a liaison or go to the bog and throw up...

I have noticed that an overwhelming number of LB patrons do tend to be the muscled-up farang with chips on their shoulders, which has always made me curious.

"Muscled up Falangs with chips on their shoulders"?

Where are you making you canny observations from? Walking Street? Bangla Road? Soi Nana? Manchester?

You are so far from having even the vaguest clue of what you are talking about.

I am not one to do the sex tourist thing, as stated in previous posts, I live in TH am in an LTR with a Ladyboy and have been for a long time.

However perhaps if you were to go to any of the 5 big ladyboy bars around Soi Nana on any night, you would find that ladyboy lovers tend to be in the middle aged and older bracket, a large smattering of Japanese and Koreans, and really the most average Joe Punters from around the world you ever expect to meet. I think you are thinking of gay culture, where there is for sure a "beautiful body" cachet.

As for your comment about "Someone being attracted to a Pipe-fitter with a 5 O'clock shadow"... again... you either have no concept of how truly beautiful some ladyboys are, or you are being extreme to try to make a point which is not particularly worth making.

If you can download stuff ,i just downloaded "accused" from tv nova ,its a bbc series ,and its got Shaun Bean as a tranny ,and another hard man actor (forget his name) who falls in love with him ,now Sean Bean ,is a pipe fitter with five o clock shadow in a dress annd if you wanted to roger him ,you would definatly be gay.

So it is appearance of the partner that determines sexual preference? Like, if I like the photo below I am straight because it is a woman?

[chiangmaikelly]

I'm pretty sure that many men are being attracted to them. Last time I've been in Pattya, I saw a Kathoey bar full with foreign customers.

The World Wide Web is full with dating websites. The porno industry seems to make good money too.

Guess not just Thailand has a lot of them. People shouldn't make jokes about those who like them, because they are so straight.

Coming to Thailand could help many guys to live their sexuality as they want to.

My cat likes to eat mice, I don't. But I like my cat.......

Good analogy lostinissan....

I still like my mate ,not my problem who he wants to shag , as for gay men again nothing against someones sexuall preferences as long as they dont want to get married in church or adopt children ,that i am against

Can they get married in a Wat?

[thenervoussurgeon]

I dont care if it is a woman ,to be honest if i fancied a woman who had a moustache and looked like that i would be worried i was turning gay

[tropo]

Actually, forgetting the genetic theories which are works in progress, strong scientific evidence shows that males are indeed hard wired to their sexual orientation at a young age, while females are MUCH more flexible. This accounts for the phenom of "college lesbians" where most of them five years later are with a man.

According the documentary I presented earlier, Nok Yollada was wearing dresses as a young boy and used to steal her mother's makup.

[Tatsujin]

Can Coming To Thailand Make You Bisexual?

No . . . but it can make you intolerant, bigoted, opinionated, stupid etc as evidenced from many of the posts previously.

Oh, hang on, these people were that way before they came to Thailand

[f0xxee]

For chrisinth, regarding his post #475.

Happy to make the input, because it frustrates me to hear so many opinions based on so little actual experience... or so many of the posters claim. I suspect there may be the odd lurker in the woodwork.

I did explain how most guys who love ladyboys feel about thier own sexuality in an early post back on around page 14 or 15.

Simply we see ourselves as straight-...ish. Not truly bisexual, because the male physique holds no sexual interest for us. Not straight, as we like our girls with extra bits. So ... straightish. The best way I can explain it is this way. For me Salma Hayak is one of the most beautiful women in the world. Voluptuous Latina looks. I give her 9/10. Now if she were a pre-op ladyboy she would be 10/10. Maybe that makes no sense to most of you. But it does to me. I love women. I don't sleep with them anymore, I jumped that fence a long long time ago. But I still find them sexy, appealing and gorgeous. I do not feel that way about any man I have ever met, or am likely to meet.

Here's a surprise for you. When i first came hurtling out of the closet on this one, I was in my home country. My straight male mates were really supportive. Yep they took the piss. But that is what I expected and it was pretty funny and not degrading. Its how mates treat each other. My female friends went toxic on me: not liking the fact I had found an alternative to the worship of womanhood, and my gay mates thought I had turned gay. It took a few harsh words to make them understand that I was not int he least into men then, and still am not.

Ladyboys are a gateway to becoming gay in the same way as pot is a gateway to heroin. It may happen for some, but the majority have found what they want.

[f0xxee]

I'm pretty sure that many men are being attracted to them. Last time I've been in Pattya, I saw a Kathoey bar full with foreign customers.

The World Wide Web is full with dating websites. The porno industry seems to make good money too.

Guess not just Thailand has a lot of them. People shouldn't make jokes about those who like them, because they are so straight.

Coming to Thailand could help many guys to live their sexuality as they want to.

My cat likes to eat mice, I don't. But I like my cat.......

Good analogy lostinissan....

I still like my mate ,not my problem who he wants to shag , as for gay men again nothing against someones sexuall preferences as long as they dont want to get married in church or adopt children ,that i am against

Get married in a church... like... by a priest? Rather not... never know where he has been.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

I still like my mate ,not my problem who he wants to shag , as for gay men again nothing against someones sexuall preferences as long as they dont want to get married in church or adopt children ,that i am against

You're relatively fortunate, in that you can still go out in roughly the same areas and bars. Because ladyboys are usually intermixed with girls who were also born as girls. If he was gay then you'd have a problem if you wanted to enjoy nightlife together; because places like boyztown and other gay areas are a *really* traumatic experience to the non gay. (And some gays as well I suppose, but that's another matter).

In your case there are plenty bars that employ both genders, or even if the bar is exclusively one or the other then they're intermixed with all the other bars.

Think about it.

[sirchai]

I'm pretty sure that many men are being attracted to them. Last time I've been in Pattya, I saw a Kathoey bar full with foreign customers.

The World Wide Web is full with dating websites. The porno industry seems to make good money too.

Guess not just Thailand has a lot of them. People shouldn't make jokes about those who like them, because they are so straight.

Coming to Thailand could help many guys to live their sexuality as they want to.

My cat likes to eat mice, I don't. But I like my cat.......

Good analogy lostinissan....

I'd think many tourists stay with ladyboys for days and never find/feel the difference. Only happens at night. ............

Edited August 21, 2012 by sirchai

[RogueLeader]

Attraction of a straight man to a ladyboy is generally heterosexual. Doesn't make him bisexual.

I have some news for you and the nine people who liked this comment...

[Colonel_Mustard]

But man-man sex is gay sex, no matter how it's presented. I never understood this concept that a 'straight' man can get serviced by another man and still consider himself exclusively heterosexual. "No, it's the one performing the act that's gay!" Umm, well, it's the 'straight' guy who is getting aroused by another man, no? It is what it is.

Just about sums it up.

[chrisinth]

For chrisinth, regarding his post #475.

Happy to make the input, because it frustrates me to hear so many opinions based on so little actual experience... or so many of the posters claim. I suspect there may be the odd lurker in the woodwork.

I did explain how most guys who love ladyboys feel about thier own sexuality in an early post back on around page 14 or 15.

Simply we see ourselves as straight-...ish. Not truly bisexual, because the male physique holds no sexual interest for us. Not straight, as we like our girls with extra bits. So ... straightish. The best way I can explain it is this way. For me Salma Hayak is one of the most beautiful women in the world. Voluptuous Latina looks. I give her 9/10. Now if she were a pre-op ladyboy she would be 10/10. Maybe that makes no sense to most of you. But it does to me. I love women. I don't sleep with them anymore, I jumped that fence a long long time ago. But I still find them sexy, appealing and gorgeous. I do not feel that way about any man I have ever met, or am likely to meet.

Here's a surprise for you. When i first came hurtling out of the closet on this one, I was in my home country. My straight male mates were really supportive. Yep they took the piss. But that is what I expected and it was pretty funny and not degrading. Its how mates treat each other. My female friends went toxic on me: not liking the fact I had found an alternative to the worship of womanhood, and my gay mates thought I had turned gay. It took a few harsh words to make them understand that I was not int he least into men then, and still am not.

Ladyboys are a gateway to becoming gay in the same way as pot is a gateway to heroin. It may happen for some, but the majority have found what they want.

Thanks f0xxee, that is the best descriptiive text on this subject I have read in this whole thread

[sirchai]

For chrisinth, regarding his post #475.

Happy to make the input, because it frustrates me to hear so many opinions based on so little actual experience... or so many of the posters claim. I suspect there may be the odd lurker in the woodwork.

I did explain how most guys who love ladyboys feel about thier own sexuality in an early post back on around page 14 or 15.

Simply we see ourselves as straight-...ish. Not truly bisexual, because the male physique holds no sexual interest for us. Not straight, as we like our girls with extra bits. So ... straightish. The best way I can explain it is this way. For me Salma Hayak is one of the most beautiful women in the world. Voluptuous Latina looks. I give her 9/10. Now if she were a pre-op ladyboy she would be 10/10. Maybe that makes no sense to most of you. But it does to me. I love women. I don't sleep with them anymore, I jumped that fence a long long time ago. But I still find them sexy, appealing and gorgeous. I do not feel that way about any man I have ever met, or am likely to meet.

Here's a surprise for you. When i first came hurtling out of the closet on this one, I was in my home country. My straight male mates were really supportive. Yep they took the piss. But that is what I expected and it was pretty funny and not degrading. Its how mates treat each other. My female friends went toxic on me: not liking the fact I had found an alternative to the worship of womanhood, and my gay mates thought I had turned gay. It took a few harsh words to make them understand that I was not int he least into men then, and still am not.

Ladyboys are a gateway to becoming gay in the same way as pot is a gateway to heroin. It may happen for some, but the majority have found what they want.

Thanks f0xxee, that is the best descriptiive text on this subject I have read in this whole thread

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[mca]

All you need to do is to come up to Issan at Songkran and join in the festivities in one of the bigger cities when the buffalo katoey come in from the boonies to celebrate. That'd knock anybody's Nong Poy fantasies straight out of the ballpark.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

I'd think many tourists stay with ladyboys for days and never find/feel the difference. Only happens at night. ............

Almost all of them know, approaching 100% for those staying together for more than one night.

It's completely intentional for most people, save for the odd freak drunk encounter.

That's also why 'warning' someone he's with a ladyboy is such a thoroughly bad idea; both of them likely take a very dim view of that; the guy because he knows and doesn't want his masculinity challenged, and the ladyboy because you'd be standing in between her and both her income, her chosen gender identity and a potential 'boyfriend'. That's never a good place to be.

Edited August 21, 2012 by WinnieTheKhwai

[Docno]

I have three good friends who are in to the ladyboy thing to various extents. One guy (Aussie) will go out of his way to look for ladyboys when he comes to Thailand; another (Yank) has had the very occasional 'hook up' with them; and the third (Indian) simply likes talking to them. All of them are very heterosexual... lot's of 'real' women in their lives, and they probably chase skirts more than the average guy. But the Aussie is the most 'diverse' and even 'deviant' in his tastes, followed by the Yank. So I suspect that this phenomenon is more about the thrill of difference / novelty / deviance / kink than it is about sexual orientation. To each their own...

Well they are bi.

Nothing wrong with it, people seem to just having a problem with excepting it.

I think it has more to do with what people will think of you because of what it is perceived in the west.

If they were 'bi', they would also be interested in men not modified to look like women.

[chiangmaikelly]

For chrisinth, regarding his post #475.

Happy to make the input, because it frustrates me to hear so many opinions based on so little actual experience... or so many of the posters claim. I suspect there may be the odd lurker in the woodwork.

I did explain how most guys who love ladyboys feel about thier own sexuality in an early post back on around page 14 or 15.

Simply we see ourselves as straight-...ish. Not truly bisexual, because the male physique holds no sexual interest for us. Not straight, as we like our girls with extra bits. So ... straightish. The best way I can explain it is this way. For me Salma Hayak is one of the most beautiful women in the world. Voluptuous Latina looks. I give her 9/10. Now if she were a pre-op ladyboy she would be 10/10. Maybe that makes no sense to most of you. But it does to me. I love women. I don't sleep with them anymore, I jumped that fence a long long time ago. But I still find them sexy, appealing and gorgeous. I do not feel that way about any man I have ever met, or am likely to meet.

Here's a surprise for you. When i first came hurtling out of the closet on this one, I was in my home country. My straight male mates were really supportive. Yep they took the piss. But that is what I expected and it was pretty funny and not degrading. Its how mates treat each other. My female friends went toxic on me: not liking the fact I had found an alternative to the worship of womanhood, and my gay mates thought I had turned gay. It took a few harsh words to make them understand that I was not int he least into men then, and still am not.

Ladyboys are a gateway to becoming gay in the same way as pot is a gateway to heroin. It may happen for some, but the majority have found what they want.

Thanks f0xxee, that is the best descriptiive text on this subject I have read in this whole thread

f0xxee said, "I did explain how most guys who love ladyboys feel about thier own sexuality in an early post back on around page 14 or 15." How does he know that? Does he know mosst guys who love ladyboys? Or should he have confined his remarks to himself instead of trying to speak for thousands or millions of other people? Just asking.

[forumuser10]

They've invented it. It's called "closeted gay". Sorry, closeted bisexual... little surprise... lol

You're wrong. A closeted gay man likes MEN. But is closeted. A ladyboy isn't the kind of man that most gay men like, closeted or not. Please stop confusing the concepts.

Not gay men, but bisexual men.

[chiangmaikelly]

All you need to do is to come up to Issan at Songkran and join in the festivities in one of the bigger cities when the buffalo katoey come in from the boonies to celebrate. That'd knock anybody's Nong Poy fantasies straight out of the ballpark.

True true true! If you speak Thai this is even better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPVNPzP5JWQ

Edited August 21, 2012 by chiangmaikelly

[f0xxee]

I'd think many tourists stay with ladyboys for days and never find/feel the difference. Only happens at night. ............

Almost all of them know, approaching 100% for those staying together for more than one night.

It's completely intentional for most people, save for the odd freak drunk encounter.

That's also why 'warning' someone he's with a ladyboy is such a thoroughly bad idea; both of them likely take a very dim view of that; the guy because he knows and doesn't want his masculinity challenged, and the ladyboy because you'd be standing in between her and both her income, her chosen gender identity and a potential 'boyfriend'. That's never a good place to be.

All; The above is very good advice. I have had it happen in Phuket, which is par for the course. Me? I was mildly embarrassed, my playmate however went ballistic.

I have had it happen at home too, with my partner of 3 years: never a local falang, always some dipshit straight off a Qantas flight. "Hey, you know your girl is a ladyboy?" "Yes, and you know that fat thing beside you with bingo wings is your wife?"

That was never going to end well.....

Edited August 21, 2012 by f0xxee

[elliss]

there are so many varied opinions on this topic ,

i am going to ask you guys , whichever you swing ,

lets get straight to the point , anal sex ,

be it with your female partner, a kartoey , or another male ,whats the difference ?

why should moral judgements , be an issue , about your individual choice.

[krisb]

Such a stupid question and soooo many stupid answers and over 18000 views! <deleted>. The gays on this site love thisd cause theres something new to look at. Yes Im right I know. The thread should have started with why does there seem to be so many ladyboys in Thailand? answer is cause theres so many takers. Supply and demand.

[krisb]

I wonder how many parents are really proud of their kids.

[chrisinth]

For chrisinth, regarding his post #475.

Happy to make the input, because it frustrates me to hear so many opinions based on so little actual experience... or so many of the posters claim. I suspect there may be the odd lurker in the woodwork.

I did explain how most guys who love ladyboys feel about thier own sexuality in an early post back on around page 14 or 15.

Simply we see ourselves as straight-...ish. Not truly bisexual, because the male physique holds no sexual interest for us. Not straight, as we like our girls with extra bits. So ... straightish. The best way I can explain it is this way. For me Salma Hayak is one of the most beautiful women in the world. Voluptuous Latina looks. I give her 9/10. Now if she were a pre-op ladyboy she would be 10/10. Maybe that makes no sense to most of you. But it does to me. I love women. I don't sleep with them anymore, I jumped that fence a long long time ago. But I still find them sexy, appealing and gorgeous. I do not feel that way about any man I have ever met, or am likely to meet.

Here's a surprise for you. When i first came hurtling out of the closet on this one, I was in my home country. My straight male mates were really supportive. Yep they took the piss. But that is what I expected and it was pretty funny and not degrading. Its how mates treat each other. My female friends went toxic on me: not liking the fact I had found an alternative to the worship of womanhood, and my gay mates thought I had turned gay. It took a few harsh words to make them understand that I was not int he least into men then, and still am not.

Ladyboys are a gateway to becoming gay in the same way as pot is a gateway to heroin. It may happen for some, but the majority have found what they want.

Thanks f0xxee, that is the best descriptiive text on this subject I have read in this whole thread

f0xxee said, "I did explain how most guys who love ladyboys feel about thier own sexuality in an early post back on around page 14 or 15." How does he know that? Does he know mosst guys who love ladyboys? Or should he have confined his remarks to himself instead of trying to speak for thousands or millions of other people? Just asking.

I didn't get to read the earlier post, I was refering to the one above. Perhaps he shouldn't generalize, but he is the only one (I have seen) to have given a hint at what the self-confessed other side think. Even though its not my thing, Good on him/them, hope they have a happy life.

[f0xxee]

All you need to do is to come up to Issan at Songkran and join in the festivities in one of the bigger cities when the buffalo katoey come in from the boonies to celebrate. That'd knock anybody's Nong Poy fantasies straight out of the ballpark.

Yeah... done a few temple festivals up Udon way, with an ex GF. Found myself wondering how they got the kwai to stand still while they got a frock on it and applied the eyeliner...

BUT: it makes the point that not all ladyboys become ladyboys for the glamour or so they can get to Bangla to part Falangs from their hard earned. These rougher models are obviously sincere about their sexuality and do the ladyboy thing because it makes them feel good about themselves, for their own reasons, and certainly not as a honey trap for tourists. It tends to validate the idea that some people really are born into the wrong gendered body. There are many many reasons why Thailand has so many ladyboys, and financial reasons are (IMHO) the least of them.

[zzdocxx]

Is this a record for a thread?

21 pages in I am not exactly sure how long, a day or two?

[chiangmaikelly]

Such a stupid question and soooo many stupid answers and over 18000 views! <deleted>. The gays on this site love thisd cause theres something new to look at. Yes Im right I know. The thread should have started with why does there seem to be so many ladyboys in Thailand? answer is cause theres so many takers. Supply and demand.

No, no, no. It is because guys who like lady boys have sex more often. They have a higher sex drive than the men who don't like lady boys. Then there is the supply and demand of, well you know stuff. Women can fake it. Lady boys can't. You just need to run out and get another one. See what I am saying?

[f0xxee]

For chrisinth, regarding his post #475.

Happy to make the input, because it frustrates me to hear so many opinions based on so little actual experience... or so many of the posters claim. I suspect there may be the odd lurker in the woodwork.

I did explain how most guys who love ladyboys feel about thier own sexuality in an early post back on around page 14 or 15.

Simply we see ourselves as straight-...ish. Not truly bisexual, because the male physique holds no sexual interest for us. Not straight, as we like our girls with extra bits. So ... straightish. The best way I can explain it is this way. For me Salma Hayak is one of the most beautiful women in the world. Voluptuous Latina looks. I give her 9/10. Now if she were a pre-op ladyboy she would be 10/10. Maybe that makes no sense to most of you. But it does to me. I love women. I don't sleep with them anymore, I jumped that fence a long long time ago. But I still find them sexy, appealing and gorgeous. I do not feel that way about any man I have ever met, or am likely to meet.

Here's a surprise for you. When i first came hurtling out of the closet on this one, I was in my home country. My straight male mates were really supportive. Yep they took the piss. But that is what I expected and it was pretty funny and not degrading. Its how mates treat each other. My female friends went toxic on me: not liking the fact I had found an alternative to the worship of womanhood, and my gay mates thought I had turned gay. It took a few harsh words to make them understand that I was not int he least into men then, and still am not.

Ladyboys are a gateway to becoming gay in the same way as pot is a gateway to heroin. It may happen for some, but the majority have found what they want.

Thanks f0xxee, that is the best descriptiive text on this subject I have read in this whole thread

f0xxee said, "I did explain how most guys who love ladyboys feel about thier own sexuality in an early post back on around page 14 or 15." How does he know that? Does he know mosst guys who love ladyboys? Or should he have confined his remarks to himself instead of trying to speak for thousands or millions of other people? Just asking.

Since you are just asking (in a rather aggressive tone I might ad) I am just replying:

How do I know? Did you read my post before jumping into print? Its how I feel...and I might ad, how many others feel too. Not all, but many. Some have different tastes, but we are basically the same.

And how do I know? Well surprise surprise, there are forums dedicated to ladyboys out there.( I am sure you are aware of that and have "accidently" spent an hour or two on them) And the #1 question on nearly everyone of those forums is: "I like ladyboys... does that make me gay?" In the 15 years or so of being of this persuasion I have thought about it, talked about it with the like minded. So I guess I am allowed the same broad scope of generalisation that you enjoy with your posts.

And lastly, nice to know there are thousands, possibly millions of us out there...

Edited August 21, 2012 by f0xxee