So why is Netanhayu so desperate to get the US involved?

It is pretty obvious that it would be much safer and effective to have the US involved. America has many more advanced jets and stronger bunker busters. There are other sources that say Israel could do it alone, but not nearly as decisively. Netanhayu wants to completely destroy Iran's nuclear capability for as long as possible.

And because the IDF most likely could not remove the entirety of Iran's nuclear set-up, perhaps even Netanhayu is quietly hoping for a "deal" with Tehran as the US are unlikely to join in a "1000 bomber raid" any time soon.

I think that almost everyone is hoping for a deal, but a real one, not just pseudo-negotiations to keep Obama happy while Iran keeps building its nuclear weapons program.

Israel is peeing its pants because of Iran decides to be reasonable then the same could well be expected of them.

Horse manure. Iran signed a treaty that it would not build nuclear weapons. Israel did not.

Building on disputed territory is nowhere near the same league - especially since the countries that Israel took it away from, after being attacked, were occupying it by miltary force themselves.

ridiculous horse manure² is referring constantly to a "treaty" like a broken record.

name any country/nation that did not renege, amend, broke, ignored dozens of treaties.

This is a rather important treaty. They better honor their word or suffer the consequences

This might seem to show the contempt Rouhani has for the current President.

In other words..."Don't call me, I'll call you."

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IRAN'S ROUHANI BOASTS: I REJECTED OBAMA FIVE TIMES

by JOEL B. POLLAK 3 Oct 2013, 5:43 AM PDT

Iran's President Hassan Rouhani told reporters on Wednesday that he turned down five requests from U.S. President Barack Obama to meet at the United Nations, according to Iran's semi-official Fars News Agency.

Rouhani said:

"Before my trip (to New York), the Americans had sent 5 messages to arrange a meeting between me and Obama, but I turned them down."

"Then they raised a plan for a brief meeting, but I didn’t agree (with it) much; we didn’t disagree with (the idea to have) a meeting, but its grounds weren’t prepared."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/10/03/Iran-s-Rouhani-Boasts-I-Rejected-Obama-Five-Times

I think that almost everyone is hoping for a deal, but a real one, not just pseudo-negotiations to keep Obama happy while Iran keeps building its nuclear weapons program.

On that we can agree, as no one sane wants to see a clash between Israel and Iran.

If a proper deal is arrived at it will then be interesting to see what Israel then does with its nuclear weapons. A totally nuclear-free Middle East would be a great outcome coupled with a recognition of Israel's right to exist, particularly if chemical weapons are also cleansed from Syria.

I think that almost everyone is hoping for a deal, but a real one, not just pseudo-negotiations to keep Obama happy while Iran keeps building its nuclear weapons program.

On that we can agree, as no one sane wants to see a clash between Israel and Iran.

If a proper deal is arrived at it will then be interesting to see what Israel then does with its nuclear weapons. A totally nuclear-free Middle East would be a great outcome coupled with a recognition of Israel's right to exist, particularly if chemical weapons are also cleansed from Syria.

Israel has nuclear weapons? one of the typical anti-zionist blatant lies!

A totally nuclear-free Middle East would be a great outcome coupled with a recognition of Israel's right to exist

An honest recognition of Israel's right to exist amongst Muslim countries is nothing but a pipe-dream at this point in time. Israel is still there after numerous attacks by their neighbors only because of their military superiority.

If this is true then nothing will happen.

World powers negotiating with Tehran over its disputed nuclear programme must come up with new proposals before talks in Geneva on October 15-16, Iran's foreign minister said.

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Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States - the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council - plus Germany, the so-called P5+1, said in February they want Iran to stop enrichment of uranium to 20 percent, ship out some stockpiles and shutter a facility where such enrichment is done.

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"The previous P5+1 plan given to Iran belongs to history and they must enter talks with a new point of view," Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said in an interview with Iranian state television late on Saturday.

With the possible exception of Israel, I don't think anyone will object to Iran's low level uranium enrichment so long as the IAEA has full unrestricted access. The question on most peoples minds is why does Iran have such a large stockpile of higher 20% enriched and why does Iran keep upgrading to produce even more at a faster rate.

If Iran is playing a game here then locations such as Fordo WILL be taken out. Is the US doesn't do it then Israel will which will be worse for the Iranian people because they will not be able to 'just' use precision strikes so will carpet bomb large swathes of the country.

If this is true then nothing will happen.

World powers negotiating with Tehran over its disputed nuclear programme must come up with new proposals before talks in Geneva on October 15-16, Iran's foreign minister said.

[...]

Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States - the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council - plus Germany, the so-called P5+1, said in February they want Iran to stop enrichment of uranium to 20 percent, ship out some stockpiles and shutter a facility where such enrichment is done.

[...]

"The previous P5+1 plan given to Iran belongs to history and they must enter talks with a new point of view," Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said in an interview with Iranian state television late on Saturday.

With the possible exception of Israel, I don't think anyone will object to Iran's low level uranium enrichment so long as the IAEA has full unrestricted access. The question on most peoples minds is why does Iran have such a large stockpile of higher 20% enriched and why does Iran keep upgrading to produce even more at a faster rate.

If Iran is playing a game here then locations such as Fordo WILL be taken out. Is the US doesn't do it then Israel will which will be worse for the Iranian people because they will not be able to 'just' use precision strikes so will carpet bomb large swathes of the country.

Not quite sure how the IDF could "carpet-bomb large swathes of the country" given the distances involved and the scale/capability of forces available, even if cruse firing subs joined in the long range air force strikes. Israel, unless it went nuclear from the onset, can only conduct limited operations against the dispersed and hardened nuclear targets of Iran.

That's why Netantahu needs the US to join in as only they have the capability for an all-out attack on all nuclear, nuclear delivery, C3 centres, air force, army and naval bases.

Given that the simple truth is that unless Iran is 100% crippled in any initial onslaught the likely retribution will be both symmetric and asymmetric falling on Israel, regional allies of the US, and US interests both regionally and globally. The likelihood of Russian and even Chinese involvement cannot be overlooked. Melodramatic...? Hopefully but given what could be at stake, seems like a deal is a far better option for all concerned.

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With the possible exception of Israel, I don't think anyone will object to Iran's low level uranium enrichment so long as the IAEA has full unrestricted access. The question on most peoples minds is why does Iran have such a large stockpile of higher 20% enriched and why does Iran keep upgrading to produce even more at a faster rate.

If Iran is playing a game here then locations such as Fordo WILL be taken out. Is the US doesn't do it then Israel will which will be worse for the Iranian people because they will not be able to 'just' use precision strikes so will carpet bomb large swathes of the country.

20% enrichment is a level that is quite easily achievable, but is a level far below that required for weapons grade material (95% preferred).

If the Western Powers are so keen on helping Iran to achieve a civilian nuclear development programme, why do they not join with Iran in developing a thorium/hot salt generator, which will produce electricity by turbine-generation without all the safety issues of a 'conventional' nuclear power plant? The only drawback to a thorium plant that I can see is that it is very difficult to get any weapons grade material from it. Otherwise it is very good on ecological issues, when compared to the plants in use today.

20% enrichment is a level that is quite easily achievable, but is a level far below that required for weapons grade material (95% preferred).

Which doesn't answer the question of why such a large amount of 20% enriched is required nor does it explain the need for next generation cascades which can enrich to 20% much faster. Sure, 20% enriched is used by various countries but in small amounts. Iran had enough a year or so ago to supply the entire planet for a 100 years.

20% enrichment is a level that is quite easily achievable, but is a level far below that required for weapons grade material (95% preferred).

Which doesn't answer the question of why such a large amount of 20% enriched is required nor does it explain the need for next generation cascades which can enrich to 20% much faster. Sure, 20% enriched is used by various countries but in small amounts. Iran had enough a year or so ago to supply the entire planet for a 100 years.

You'll have to ask the Iranians - my best suggestion is that they will cut it into bite-size chunks and throw them at the Israelis.

Perhaps they want to sell the material to the rest of the world over the next 100 years?

Or maybe they need to use the 'STOP' button on the centrifuge arrays?

20% enrichment is a level that is quite easily achievable, but is a level far below that required for weapons grade material (95% preferred).

Which doesn't answer the question of why such a large amount of 20% enriched is required nor does it explain the need for next generation cascades which can enrich to 20% much faster. Sure, 20% enriched is used by various countries but in small amounts. Iran had enough a year or so ago to supply the entire planet for a 100 years.

what doesn't answer the question why it is anybody's business to question or condemn and threaten Iran's right of enriching Uranium even asuming that the supply will be sufficient for 10,000 years or more.

when was the last time U.S. stockpile of nuclear weapons was questioned and/or condemned?

when was the last time U.S. stockpile of biochemical weapons was questioned and/or condemned?

when was the last time Israel's stockpile of nuclear weapons was questioned and/or condemned?

You mean Israel (or Iran for that matter) doesn't have biochemical weapons, Naam?

This is a rather important treaty. They better honor their word or suffer the consequences

the Shah-en-Shah signed the treaty in 1968, the treaty was ratified in 1970. the "important" signatory was kicked out of Iran because his friends in Washington let him down. until now the treaty was honoured even though various criminal states (who started wars based on blatant lies that killed millions and still maim thousands) claim "any time from now the important™ treaty will be broken and Iran will have nuclear devices!"

history fast forward: Iran will exercise its right and enrich Uranium and the time will come when Iran will test its first nuclear device and detonate it on Iranian soil. period!

The treaty was "honored" because the rogue regime in Iran had no choice in the matter and hopefully, that will not change anytime until these thugs are long gone.

A totally nuclear-free Middle East would be a great outcome coupled with a recognition of Israel's right to exist

An honest recognition of Israel's right to exist amongst Muslim countries is nothing but a pipe-dream at this point in time. Israel is still there after numerous attacks by their neighbors only because of their military superiority.

A collapse of the Soviet Empire in 1988 or for a resolution in N. Ireland in 1988 were also pipe-dreams. Funny how things can work out if you keep up the pressure.

PS Israel's continued existence also has just a little to do with the support of the US in all key fields.

Israel won wars in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, and 2008. And they were often outnumbered as much as 20-1 in terms of size of army, number of tanks, planes, and equipment. The US helped them very little before 1973.
America gets some credit for helping them with arms and equipment - none for the actual fighting - but their enemies were armed by our enemies, which is why we became allies in the first place.

history fast forward: Iran will exercise its right and enrich Uranium and the time will come when Iran will test its first nuclear device and detonate it on Iranian soil. period!

The cold war never escalated to nuclear for the sole reason of mutual annihilation. Could any thinking person feel the same about Shia Iran? You can see it in their eyes and hear it in their talk, they cannot wait for the destruction of civilisation so the problem of living with each other can be done with. If the theocratic Iran could build a nuke big enough to take out the entire planet detonated on its own soil then they would do it in order to bring about the end times.

Exactly. They long to bring forth the 12th Mahdi, foretold to arrrive in the midst of chaos.

history fast forward: Iran will exercise its right and enrich Uranium and the time will come when Iran will test its first nuclear device and detonate it on Iranian soil. period!

The cold war never escalated to nuclear for the sole reason of mutual annihilation. Could any thinking person feel the same about Shia Iran? You can see it in their eyes and hear it in their talk, they cannot wait for the destruction of civilisation so the problem of living with each other can be done with. If the theocratic Iran could build a nuke big enough to take out the entire planet detonated on its own soil then they would do it in order to bring about the end times.

Captain Picard! Crewman Chicken Little reports "the sky is falling!" what are your orders?

history fast forward: Iran will exercise its right and enrich Uranium and the time will come when Iran will test its first nuclear device and detonate it on Iranian soil. period!

The cold war never escalated to nuclear for the sole reason of mutual annihilation. Could any thinking person feel the same about Shia Iran? You can see it in their eyes and hear it in their talk, they cannot wait for the destruction of civilisation so the problem of living with each other can be done with. If the theocratic Iran could build a nuke big enough to take out the entire planet detonated on its own soil then they would do it in order to bring about the end times.

Captain Picard! Crewman Chicken Little reports "the sky is falling!" what are your orders?

Sorry - I'll get my coat..