Carlsberg is Danish isn't it?

As some of you know, I've recently returned from working in a muslim country (Afghanistan) for just over 2 years.

Most of the people I got to know while there were common folk. Construction workers, low-level police and immigration officials, market vendors and so on.

One thing that stuck me while there, and we see it in Thailand a lot, is the hypocrisy. On one hand, these people want their women covered from head to toe, then they ask me for CDs and magazines that show "sexy" photos. They don't allow alcohol sales, but every second person (in Afghanistan) would ask me to bring them beer or vodka.

As for religion ? Well, that was a taboo subject, sure to spark angry debate if ever brought up. It is amazing how fast seemingly well adjusted people would turn on you when the subject of religion was brought up.

Islam is supposedly a religion of peace and tolerance. Moderate muslim leaders keep repeating this on various news channels every time there is a riot or other incident. One does not have to look too far or too hard to see how untrue this really is. What those muslim leaders really mean is that Islam would be a religion of peace and tolerance, if everyone else converted (or was eliminated).

Even then, it is unlikely there would be peace or tolerance. Look at the Sunni and Shi-ites in Iraq and tell me again about peace and tolerance.

I do know muslims that are fairly progressive (moderate) in their thinking, but they are few and far between. In a society where you have to believe what your religious leaders tell you or face possibly fatal repercussions, many moderates are afraid to speak out.

I dont think anyone ever believed otherwise? But that's not really the point, is it?

The point is that for sunni muslims, an insult to the prophet is an insult on their person, because he is held up as |the| shining example.

We probably agree that this in itself is not a healthy state of affairs, but nevertheless it is naive of a newspaper editor to not try to fully research and understand the repercussions of such caricatures before publishing them.

A spark was lit for no good reason, giving the fanatics an excuse to run out and rampage. Why appeal to those elements? Why not show restriction?

In these cases, I think the West has something to learn from Thailand.

I dont think anyone ever believed otherwise? But that's not really the point, is it?

The point is that for sunni muslims, an insult to the prophet is an insult on their person, because he is held up as |the| shining example.

We probably agree that this in itself is not a healthy state of affairs, but nevertheless it is naive of a newspaper editor to not try to fully research and understand the repercussions of such caricatures before publishing them.

A spark was lit for no good reason, giving the fanatics an excuse to run out and rampage. Why appeal to those elements? Why not show restriction?

In these cases, I think the West has something to learn from Thailand.

Yes your'e right here...but....it's the same way around for the Arabian/Muslim newpapers in many Muslim-countries, publishing the same shameless cartoons about the West ands their religions and/or Political leaders...

...and as for your second remark: I fully and totally agree with you here....but...that's the press. Even tonight there will be a very big live discussion -TVprogram in my country about....the cartoons.

If the press would neglect the whole issue...the whole matter would soon vanish.

LaoPo

How about Prophets?

Behind the cartoon protests

The Christian Science Monitor's View

The clash over the Muhammad cartoons isn't just between "the West" and Islam. It's more between Muslims. Protests over the derogatory cartoons were purposely fanned by Arab leaders who need to look like mightier defenders of Islam than the jihadists who want to overthrow them and unite all Muslims.

Many actions by the West serve as merely a foil in a long intra-Muslim struggle over whether to return the Middle East to some bygone Islamic unity of centuries past. The cartoons published in a Danish newspaper were used as an excuse to score points in a bigger game.

This Muslim struggle over whether to create an Islamic empire reappeared in modern times with the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran. Now, after more than two decades of trying to export their revolution through terrorist groups and oil money, Iran's Shiite mullahs are losing the battle. They were drained by a long war with Iraq during the 1980s but, most of all, by the misrule of their own, now disenchanted people.

Besieged at home by youthful dissent, Iran's clerics have reverted to Persian nationalism, Israel baiting, and a quest for the ultimate tool against those who oppose its claim to Islamic leadership, nuclear weapons.

That latter move has only widened the split between Islam's rival camps, the Shiites and the Sunnis, who are divided over who should have led the faith after the prophet Muhammad's passing. Arab leaders have sought the West's help in thwarting Iran's nuclear ambition.

Competing with Iran for Islamic leadership since the 1990s has been Sunni-dominated Al Qaeda.

Its leaders, now on the run, may still believe terrorist attacks on the West, such as 9/11, can rally the faithful under its flag or bring a flood of followers into Afghanistan and Iraq. But the group's violent tactics, especially beheadings or killings of Muslim bystanders in bombings, have turned off the "umma," or the wider community of Muslims.

Al Qaeda's internal memos have admitted its tactical mistakes. "We are in a race for the hearts and minds of our umma," wrote the group's ideologue, Ayman Zawahiri, last year. And in a recently released audio tape, the fugitive Osama bin Laden tried to restore his slipping legitimacy with Muslims.

Strangely, the jihadists on the ascendency are those using a Western import, democracy. The Palestinian group Hamas and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood have won impressive gains in recent elections. Reflecting the views of their voters, they're now mainly occupied with how to govern well. Both appear to be moderating their rhetoric.

The mistake of many jihadists is to think that Islamic unity through the sword can bring the dignity and respect sought by Arabs and Iranians from their governments and the West. But religion can't be imposed.

And to always create an enemy out of Western actions is no way to uplift Islam's image. While the West can do more not to antagonize Muslims, it is really up to Muslims to resolve their internal conflict. So far, the radicals appear on the run, with some at least running toward the ballot box rather than the ammunition box.

The extreme reactions to the cartoons seems to be occuring in the Arab and Persian communities.....on the other hand the largest Muslim country by population (Indonesia) does not seem to be haveing such an extreme reaction. Could this be seen as evidence that these extreme reactions might be products of the Arab and Persian cultures not strictly a Muslim based phenomenon?

The extreme reactions to the cartoons seems to be occuring in the Arab and Persian communities.....on the other hand the largest Muslim country by population (Indonesia) does not seem to be haveing such an extreme reaction. Could this be seen as evidence that these extreme reactions might be products of the Arab and Persian cultures not strictly a Muslim based phenomenon?

Well, if the reports I've heard are true, this fiasco was initiated by a group of Danish Imams who travelled through the Mid-East trying to stir up trouble. (I wonder how many Danish flags they took with them in their checked baggage ?) It probably never crossed the minds of those Danish Imams to travel to Indonesia to try and incite some violence there.

Truth be told, I don't think a lot of the Arab Muslims think of the Indonesians as "true believers", and if it weren't for the distance seperating them, you'd see clashes between the various Arab sects and the Indo's just like you see the clashes between the Sunnis and Shi-ites.

Here’s an excerpt of a piece by an American Muslim who 'gets it'

Read the whole thing.

Dreams & Realities

Cartoon problems.

By M. Zuhdi Jasser

“The Muslim mobs we see inflamed are not al-Qaeda, but they are enraged Islamists driven by a fear of losing the ideological world war to the West. They fear the West, which honors the individual first and the community second — put another way, America first, and the ummah second. They fear more than anything having to compete in a non-theological legislature by the legal merit of the logic of their principles, rather than from behind the corrupt cloak of their theological monopoly on sharia.”

There it is, right in a nutshell; losing the ideological war to the west.

There it is, right in a nutshell; losing the ideological war to the west.

I agree whole-heartedly. I've maintained for ages now that all religions are/were about power. Those that couldn't gain power by might (conquest) or right (elections), sought instead to gain that power through religion.

Look back at history over the last couple of thousand of years. Look at the power that religion commanded, even in societies ruled by dictators and kings. Popes, priests, bishops, cardinals, shaman and Imams commanded power that often exceeded that of the rulers. In some places, that is still the case.

In ancient Egypt, the Pharoah may have ruled the land, but if he upset the priesthood, his rule was often shorter than he would have liked.

The Catholic church was a prime example of the abuse of power for 1,500+ years ! From Rome in 300 AD to France in the 1800's. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch hunts, all inspired and/or orchestrated by the Church, led by people who never had to answer to the public for their actions.

This is the power that the Imams are worried about losing if their countries become more progressive and modern. Keeping a large portion of their populations uneducated in anything but the Koran, and in a perpetual state of poverty, makes them slaves to their religious leaders.

We were brought up to hate - and we do

By Nonie Darwish - Daily Telegraph

(Filed: 12/02/2006)

The controversy regarding the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed completely misses the point. Of course, the cartoons are offensive to Muslims, but newspaper cartoons do not warrant the burning of buildings and the killing of innocent people. The cartoons did not cause the disease of hate that we are seeing in the Muslim world on our television screens at night - they are only a symptom of a far greater disease.

I was born and raised as a Muslim in Cairo, Egypt and in the Gaza Strip. In the 1950s, my father was sent by Egypt's President, Gamal Abdel Nasser, to head the Egyptian military intelligence in Gaza and the Sinai where he founded the Palestinian Fedayeen, or "armed resistance". They made cross-border attacks into Israel, killing 400 Israelis and wounding more than 900 others.

My father was killed as a result of the Fedayeen operations when I was eight years old. He was hailed by Nasser as a national hero and was considered a shaheed, or martyr. In his speech announcing the nationalisation of the Suez Canal, Nasser vowed that all of Egypt would take revenge for my father's death. My siblings and I were asked by Nasser: "Which one of you will avenge your father's death by killing Jews?" We looked at each other speechless, unable to answer.

In school in Gaza, I learned hate, vengeance and retaliation. Peace was never an option, as it was considered a sign of defeat and weakness. At school we sang songs with verses calling Jews "dogs" (in Arab culture, dogs are considered unclean).

Criticism and questioning were forbidden. When I did either of these, I was told: "Muslims cannot love the enemies of God, and those who do will get no mercy in hel_l." As a young woman, I visited a Christian friend in Cairo during Friday prayers, and we both heard the verbal attacks on Christians and Jews from the loudspeakers outside the mosque. They said: "May God destroy the infidels and the Jews, the enemies of God. We are not to befriend them or make treaties with them." We heard worshippers respond "Amen".

My friend looked scared; I was ashamed. That was when I first realised that something was very wrong in the way my religion was taught and practised. Sadly, the way I was raised was not unique. Hundreds of millions of other Muslims also have been raised with the same hatred of the West and Israel as a way to distract from the failings of their leaders. Things have not changed since I was a little girl in the 1950s.

Palestinian television extols terrorists, and textbooks still deny the existence of Israel. More than 300 Palestinians schools are named after shaheeds, including my father. Roads in both Egypt and Gaza still bear his name - as they do of other "martyrs". What sort of message does that send about the role of terrorists? That they are heroes. Leaders who signed peace treaties, such as President Anwar Sadat, have been assassinated. Today, the Islamo-fascist president of Iran uses nuclear dreams, Holocaust denials and threats to "wipe Israel off the map" as a way to maintain control of his divided country.

Indeed, with Denmark set to assume the rotating presidency of the UN Security Council, the flames of the cartoon controversy have been fanned by Iran and Syria. This is critical since the International Atomic Energy Agency is expected to refer Iran to the Security Council and demand sanctions. At the same time, Syria is under scrutiny for its actions in Lebanon. Both Iran and Syria cynically want to embarrass the Danes to achieve their dangerous goals.

But the rallies and riots come from a public ripe with rage. From my childhood in Gaza until today, blaming Israel and the West has been an industry in the Muslim world. Whenever peace seemed attainable, Palestinian leaders found groups who would do everything to sabotage it. They allowed their people to be used as the front line of Arab jihad. Dictators in countries surrounding the Palestinians were only too happy to exploit the Palestinians as a diversion from problems in their own backyards. The only voice outside of government control in these areas has been the mosques, and these places of worship have been filled with talk of jihad.

Is it any surprise that after decades of indoctrination in a culture of hate, that people actually do hate? Arab society has created a system of relying on fear of a common enemy. It's a system that has brought them much-needed unity, cohesion and compliance in a region ravaged by tribal feuds, instability, violence, and selfish corruption. So Arab leaders blame Jews and Christians rather than provide good schools, roads, hospitals, housing, jobs, or hope to their people.

For 30 years I lived inside this war zone of oppressive dictatorships and police states. Citizens competed to appease and glorify their dictators, but they looked the other way when Muslims tortured and terrorised other Muslims. I witnessed honour killings of girls, oppression of women, female genital mutilation, polygamy and its devastating effect on family relations. All of this is destroying the Muslim faith from within.

It's time for Arabs and Muslims to stand up for their families. We must stop allowing our leaders to use the West and Israel as an excuse to distract from their own failed leadership and their citizens' lack of freedoms. It's time to stop allowing Arab leaders to complain about cartoons while turning a blind eye to people who defame Islam by holding Korans in one hand while murdering innocent people with the other.

Muslims need jobs - not jihad. Apologies about cartoons will not solve the problems. What is needed is hope and not hate. Unless we recognise that the culture of hate is the true root of the riots surrounding this cartoon controversy, this violent overreaction will only be the start of a clash of civilis-ations that the world cannot bear.

* Nonie Darwish is a freelance writer and public speaker.

The extreme reactions to the cartoons seems to be occuring in the Arab and Persian communities.....on the other hand the largest Muslim country by population (Indonesia) does not seem to be haveing such an extreme reaction. Could this be seen as evidence that these extreme reactions might be products of the Arab and Persian cultures not strictly a Muslim based phenomenon?

Well, if the reports I've heard are true, this fiasco was initiated by a group of Danish Imams who travelled through the Mid-East trying to stir up trouble. (I wonder how many Danish flags they took with them in their checked baggage ?) It probably never crossed the minds of those Danish Imams to travel to Indonesia to try and incite some violence there.

Truth be told, I don't think a lot of the Arab Muslims think of the Indonesians as "true believers", and if it weren't for the distance seperating them, you'd see clashes between the various Arab sects and the Indo's just like you see the clashes between the Sunnis and Shi-ites.

I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or not. Does the fact that the Imams didn't even think of going to Indonesia mean that they knew that they could stir up trouble in the Arab and Persian cultures but not in Indonesia? Does the fact that Muslims in the Arab and Persian cultures do not consider Muslims in Indonesia to be real Muslims point out how narrow minded and unaccepting the Muslims in the Arab and Persian cultures are? Both of these seem to agree with what I've said but somehow it seems from reading your post that you disagree....maybe I'm only imagining that you disagree?

The point is that for sunni muslims, an insult to the prophet is an insult on their person, because he is held up as |the| shining example.

We probably agree that this in itself is not a healthy state of affairs, but nevertheless it is naive of a newspaper editor to not try to fully research and understand the repercussions of such caricatures before publishing them.

A spark was lit for no good reason, giving the fanatics an excuse to run out and rampage. Why appeal to those elements? Why not show restriction?

In these cases, I think the West has something to learn from Thailand.

I don't agree with that because the utter notion of having the lowest denominator set the rules for what can be posted in a newspaper is utter BS.

Freedom of speech isn't limited by 'if' someone gets offended by the posting, it STARTS when someone is offended. There is no reason to PROTECT freedom of speech otherwise, if everyone agreed with what was being said.

And again, I dare anyone to write an article, 5 sentences or more, that doesn't offend ANYONE. If you succeed, now write a topical political piece of the same size. Not so easy is it?

Besides, since when does laws in other countries apply to your own country?

Or are we automatically supposed to alter our beliefs to not hurt anyone that is more then normally interested in some fiction novel? Be it Christian or muslim or Lord of the Rings.

I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or not. Does the fact that the Imams didn't even think of going to Indonesia mean that they knew that they could stir up trouble in the Arab and Persian cultures but not in Indonesia? Does the fact that Muslims in the Arab and Persian cultures do not consider Muslims in Indonesia to be real Muslims point out how narrow minded and unaccepting the Muslims in the Arab and Persian cultures are? Both of these seem to agree with what I've said but somehow it seems from reading your post that you disagree....maybe I'm only imagining that you disagree?

Yes !

I don't think Indonesia saw the same kind of problems because those Imams didn't go there to stir it up.

I think the reason the Imams didn't go there is that it never occured to them. It didn't occur to them because they (deep down) don't consider anyone other than Arabs as true believers.

Danes urged to leave Indonesia over cartoon protests

12.02.06 5.00pm

By Kim McLaughlin

COPENHAGEN - Denmark has urged its citizens to leave Indonesia, warning of "clear and present danger" from Muslim extremists seeking revenge for Danish newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

The foreign ministry said all Danes should leave the world's most populous Muslim country as soon as possible.

"Concrete information indicates than an extremist group wishes to actively seek out Danes in protest for the publication of the Prophet Muhammad cartoons," a ministry statement said.

Denmark has been the target of protests in Islamic countries since cartoons of the Prophet, first published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten in September, were reprinted by other European newspapers in January.

They were also printed by some papers in New Zealand. The Herald has not published them.

The threat to Danes was concentrated in eastern Java "but it is feared that it can spread to the rest of the country, including Bali", the ministry statement said.

Bomb attacks on the holiday island of Bali killed 202 people in 2002. Last October suicide bombers killed 20 people. Indonesian officials have blamed militants from the Southeast Asian militant network Jemaah Islamiah, considered a regional arm of al Qaeda, for the attacks.

Denmark said it had withdrawn diplomats and staff from Indonesia and Iran because of security threats.

Their departure follows that of Danish embassy staff in Syria who left on Friday on the grounds that the security provided by Syrian authorities was inadequate.

At the Winter Olympics in Italy, plainclothes guards accompanied the Danish team at the opening ceremony on Friday.

Muslims held demonstrations in European cities over the cartoons. French police estimated that 7,200 people took part in a march through central Paris, waving banners and chanting, but the atmosphere was peaceful and many families took part.

France's Muslim Council had urged the country's 5 million Muslims to stay calm. The council had tried in vain to block the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo from reprinting the cartoons earlier this week.

In London, up to 4,000 demonstrators converged on Trafalgar Square on Saturday, joining the capital's Mayor Ken Livingstone in a protest against the publication of the cartoons.

In marked contrast to angry demonstrations outside the Danish embassy in the British capital last week, the protest was good-natured and there was no sign of the extreme anti-Western placards brandished at the embassy protest.

No British newspapers have printed the cartoons.

About 2,500 Muslims marched peacefully through the German city of Duesseldorf, past the Danish consulate, and in Berlin about 1,200 gathered outside the Danish embassy.

In the Swiss capital, Berne, about 1,000 people held a peaceful protest outside the parliament building.

Demonstrators carried signs saying "You stepped over the line" and "Have respect for Muslims' feelings." Several Swiss newspapers have published some of the cartoons in recent weeks.

Beyond Europe's borders, angry protesters in the Chadian capital N'Djamena set fire to two cars, including one belonging to an expatriate, and wrecked several bars.

In Indonesia, about 400 protesters from the radical Hizbut Tahrir group held a noisy but peaceful rally at a Jakarta intersection, demanding that Denmark apologise for what they said was an insult to Islam.

At least 11 people have been killed this year in protests over the cartoons, one of which showed the Prophet wearing a bomb-shaped turban. Muslims consider any portrayal of the Prophet blasphemous, let alone one showing him as a terrorist.

No British newspapers have printed the cartoons.

Just to put things in perspective, the UK still has a blasphemy law on its books. About 15 years ago some Christian group (I think it was the Rev. Fred Nile) brought a blasphemy charge against a poet who had depicted Christ as gay - and he was found guilty. The fine was nominal, but conservative Christians considered it a moral victory. I don't know how the law is worded, but it's possible a British newspaper reprinting the Mohammed cartoons could be violating the law.

Danes urged to leave Indonesia over cartoon protests

12.02.06 5.00pm

By Kim McLaughlin

COPENHAGEN - Denmark has urged its citizens to leave Indonesia, warning of "clear and present danger" from Muslim extremists seeking revenge for Danish newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

The foreign ministry said all Danes should leave the world's most populous Muslim country as soon as possible.

"Concrete information indicates than an extremist group wishes to actively seek out Danes in protest for the publication of the Prophet Muhammad cartoons," a ministry statement said.

Denmark has been the target of protests in Islamic countries since cartoons of the Prophet, first published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten in September, were reprinted by other European newspapers in January.

They were also printed by some papers in New Zealand. The Herald has not published them.

The threat to Danes was concentrated in eastern Java "but it is feared that it can spread to the rest of the country, including Bali", the ministry statement said.

Bomb attacks on the holiday island of Bali killed 202 people in 2002. Last October suicide bombers killed 20 people. Indonesian officials have blamed militants from the Southeast Asian militant network Jemaah Islamiah, considered a regional arm of al Qaeda, for the attacks.

Denmark said it had withdrawn diplomats and staff from Indonesia and Iran because of security threats.

Their departure follows that of Danish embassy staff in Syria who left on Friday on the grounds that the security provided by Syrian authorities was inadequate.

At the Winter Olympics in Italy, plainclothes guards accompanied the Danish team at the opening ceremony on Friday.

Muslims held demonstrations in European cities over the cartoons. French police estimated that 7,200 people took part in a march through central Paris, waving banners and chanting, but the atmosphere was peaceful and many families took part.

France's Muslim Council had urged the country's 5 million Muslims to stay calm. The council had tried in vain to block the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo from reprinting the cartoons earlier this week.

In London, up to 4,000 demonstrators converged on Trafalgar Square on Saturday, joining the capital's Mayor Ken Livingstone in a protest against the publication of the cartoons.

In marked contrast to angry demonstrations outside the Danish embassy in the British capital last week, the protest was good-natured and there was no sign of the extreme anti-Western placards brandished at the embassy protest.

No British newspapers have printed the cartoons.

About 2,500 Muslims marched peacefully through the German city of Duesseldorf, past the Danish consulate, and in Berlin about 1,200 gathered outside the Danish embassy.

In the Swiss capital, Berne, about 1,000 people held a peaceful protest outside the parliament building.

Demonstrators carried signs saying "You stepped over the line" and "Have respect for Muslims' feelings." Several Swiss newspapers have published some of the cartoons in recent weeks.

Beyond Europe's borders, angry protesters in the Chadian capital N'Djamena set fire to two cars, including one belonging to an expatriate, and wrecked several bars.

In Indonesia, about 400 protesters from the radical Hizbut Tahrir group held a noisy but peaceful rally at a Jakarta intersection, demanding that Denmark apologise for what they said was an insult to Islam.

At least 11 people have been killed this year in protests over the cartoons, one of which showed the Prophet wearing a bomb-shaped turban. Muslims consider any portrayal of the Prophet blasphemous, let alone one showing him as a terrorist.

I can't tell if you are disagreeing with me or not. Since the article doesn't mention any demonstrations in Indonesia I guess that the Muslims in Indonesia by and large have a different mind set and are not quite so rabid like the Muslims in the Arab and Persian nations which is what I said. On the other hand the fact that Denmark has suggested that its citizens leave Indonesia this does mean that there are some extremists that might cause problems....so this seems like you are disagreeing with me. Am I only imagining that you disagree with me?

Which Cartoons Are More Scornful and More Likely to Instigate Hatred?

This one?

Or, this one, eh?

They are both offensive.

What's your point?

On second thought, don't bother answering, it's a rethoric question.

The extreme reactions to the cartoons seems to be occuring in the Arab and Persian communities.....on the other hand the largest Muslim country by population (Indonesia) does not seem to be haveing such an extreme reaction. Could this be seen as evidence that these extreme reactions might be products of the Arab and Persian cultures not strictly a Muslim based phenomenon?

What you say makes a lot of sense. Most of these countries can't stand each other's guts with respect to everything except dealing with the west. Their next best thing next to hating and killing the west, is hating and killing each other.

It is not really that different with what a lot of western countries have done for decades. That is, while the countries may disagree on many things, they are definitely allied for some common purposes (e.g., NATO, trade treaties, etc.)

What really separates these examples from the current radical Islamic movement, is that the former is a democratic movement supported by the vast majority of the population, whereas the latter is small minority radical sect which is trying to force a rigid theocracy on to the majority population.

Majority - democracy

Minority - theocracy

Big difference.

As the days go by it becomes more and more obvious that the whole Danish cartoon fiasco was part of a planned strategy to generate interest and violence on behalf of the radical Islamo-facist wacko mini-movement.

http://freedomforegyptians.blogspot.com/20...tures-that.html

Just when I thought I'd seen it all, here is a link to someone who claims that at least one of same cartoons causing the stink now, was published in an Egytian newspaper during the holy period of Ramadan, without so much as causing a ripple of negative sentiment in the radical movement.

Here's another good one. A prominent Lebanese leader believes that most of the Syrian demonstrators were actually soldiers in the Syrian army. Makes sense. Syria is a police state. Nothing happens there without explicit government approval.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=48716

So let's take this whole fiasco for what it really is .... nothing about nothing. It is just a few inspired rabble-rousers trying to stir up the shit.

Fortunately the whole world is tiring of the game. It's hard to find a steady supply of people who want to blow themselves up. People have to be brainwashed and convinced to do something like that. It is not a natural thought. The only way to generate radical behaviour is with radical behavior.

The mainstream media needs to quit overblowing the exposure to these minority extreme elements and concentrate the focus where it belongs, which is is on the radical regimes like Iran and Syria whose primary goal is destabilization of the entire region between Haifa and Islamabad.

Here we go again:

Anger in Iran over German football cartoon.

"Earlier Sunday, the Iranian newspaper 90 published the cartoon, calling it “shameless” and demanded the Iranian football federation to lodge an official protest."

“It is now clear that the Germans are under the influence of the Zionists (Israel) and have lowered themselves to become their scarecrows."

If the bomb belt fits, wear it. I don't understand why they're upset; I thought they were proud of being suicidal maniacs.

No-one expects you to understand, Boon Mee..., relax!

No-one expects you to understand, Boon Mee...

Well, why don't you try to enlighten me then O Wise One!

Because I wouldn't expect you to understand.

If you still haven't got a clue what others think (after how many k posts?), what could humble ME tell you?

They’re attacking the graven image of the infidel colonel again in Pakistan: Protesters Ravage Two Pakistani Cities.

LAHORE, Pakistan - Thousands rampaged Tuesday through two Pakistani cities to protest cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, burning buildings housing a hotel, banks and a KFC and breaking windows at a Holiday Inn and a Pizza Hut.

Col. Sanders is a Zionist? Who knew?

No mercy for the infidel Ronald McDonald neither!

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060214/481/lhr...OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA

They’re attacking the graven image of the infidel colonel again in Pakistan: Protesters Ravage Two Pakistani Cities.

LAHORE, Pakistan - Thousands rampaged Tuesday through two Pakistani cities to protest cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, burning buildings housing a hotel, banks and a KFC and breaking windows at a Holiday Inn and a Pizza Hut.

Col. Sanders is a Zionist? Who knew?

No mercy for the infidel Ronald McDonald neither!

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060214/481/lhr...OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA

Wonder if they burned the hundreds of Millions of $'s also the West donated for the victims of the horrible Earthquake in Nothern Pakistan with so many dead and wounded....

Short memory they have

LaoPo

Plus all the earthquake aide we gave in Iran?

Here's a relevant way of looking at another aspect of the situation?: