Buying And Installing A Water Filter

[Bicko]

Our village water supply is only available for a couple of hours a day so I have installed a deep bore and submersible pump. This works well and gives us plenty of water for the garden and the house. Unfortunately the water has a very high iron content and this causes an allergy problem for my wife.

Can any one recommend a good filter supplier/servicing agent for a large commercial type filter suitable for filtering sufficient water for showers, laundry, washing up etc in the Korat, Buri Ram area.

I believe I may be looking at about Bt15,000. Can anyone comment on cost and recommended capacity for the above use.

Thanks,

Bicko

[Jai Yen Yen]

http://www.aecasia.com/thailand/company/20892-en.htm

Mazuma (Thailand) Co., Ltd.

Address : 747/96 Bangkok-Nonthaburi Rd.

Bangsue, Bangsue

City : Bangkok

Country : Thailand

Zip Code : 10800

Tel : +66 (0) 2911 4100-3, +66 (0) 2911 4100-3

Fax : +66 (0) 2586 9743, +66 (0) 2586 9743

Lots of houses round here have them. Don't know how good they are because the well water here is <deleted>, and it's still <deleted> after going through the filter. Maybe the filter needs new activated carbon.

[Crossy]

For iron you need a green manganese filter, check out this thread

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=65726

I expect a visit to your local plumber chap will yield the necessary item, you won't be the only one with problems.

[Bicko]

Thanks for your comments. I have followed up on both suggestions.

Going to drive over to Nakhon Ratchasima today and see if there are any shops there to get some brochures and cost.

cheers,

Bicko

[blue eyes]

Check out www.coolthaihouse.com There is some talk on there about filtering water if I remember right.

[silk123]

I just bought a normal size uv drinking water filter today on sale for 6,000 in homepro. It says it's american but i would not be surprised if it was a copy.

I saw them big ones there that you'd be looking at.

I see the new fridges have uv water filters in them now too. good idea.

Another thing i saw that i was thinking was a good idea was some fridges that had how much kw a year they use(189kw one was). good idea for all fridges rather than that 5 energy saving rating that means nothing. the thinest insulated ones have the same 5 rating which is bull of course.

water filters.

[Bicko]

After some investigation I purchased the Mazuma (made in Thailand) filter. Provides up to 1800 litres of filtered water a day at 30 PSI (7 BAR) and it is working well. Our water is much "softer" and the foul odour has gone. One word of warning if you are considering buying a big filter-the unit for filtering bore or water from underground is more expensive and the filtering material is very different from that used for cleaning up dam, river or rainwater.

Undergound water contains minerals which need to be removed or changed. The filter material to do this needs to be changed every 2 to 3 years and will cost about Bt5,000.

Thanks for all your comments.

Bicko

[kuronservice]

After some investigation I purchased the Mazuma (made in Thailand) filter. Provides up to 1800 litres of filtered water a day at 30 PSI (7 BAR) and it is working well. Our water is much "softer" and the foul odour has gone. One word of warning if you are considering buying a big filter-the unit for filtering bore or water from underground is more expensive and the filtering material is very different from that used for cleaning up dam, river or rainwater.

Undergound water contains minerals which need to be removed or changed. The filter material to do this needs to be changed every 2 to 3 years and will cost about Bt5,000.

Thanks for all your comments.

Bicko

I am from China. Happy that you bought a right system for water. Acttaully, Mazuma import some from China. I know them when we was in Canton Fair.

[Gary A]

My advice is to be very careful what you buy. Iron is VERY difficult to remove from water and the water coming out of an expensive filter may be as bad coming out as when it went in. A friend of mine had well water with a lot of iron. Be bought a huge and expensive black sand stainless steel filter and it made absolutely no difference. He removed the sand and filled it with activated charcoal. That removed the odor but not all the iron. The problem with that is replacing that much activated charcoal every six months is very expensive.

He was advised by a water specialist to install a resin filter and back flush it with salt water every week or so. He didn't like that because he didn't want to contaminate his land or the water table with salt.

Edited March 16, 2008 by Gary A

[wildoates]

After some investigation I purchased the Mazuma (made in Thailand) filter. Provides up to 1800 litres of filtered water a day at 30 PSI (7 BAR) and it is working well. Our water is much "softer" and the foul odour has gone. One word of warning if you are considering buying a big filter-the unit for filtering bore or water from underground is more expensive and the filtering material is very different from that used for cleaning up dam, river or rainwater.

Undergound water contains minerals which need to be removed or changed. The filter material to do this needs to be changed every 2 to 3 years and will cost about Bt5,000.

Thanks for all your comments.

Bicko

Where id you buy the Mazuma?

[mahtin]

http://www.pure-pro.com/sample_order.htm

I recently bought a "sample" ioniser from the Taiwan factory.

Note that this price includes DHL express delivery, and cuts out the middleman - less than half the US price.

I'm happy with its quality.

Ssshh - the declared price on the invoice is creative - a plus for customs

[MJP]

Our village water supply is only available for a couple of hours a day so I have installed a deep bore and submersible pump. This works well and gives us plenty of water for the garden and the house. Unfortunately the water has a very high iron content and this causes an allergy problem for my wife.

Can any one recommend a good filter supplier/servicing agent for a large commercial type filter suitable for filtering sufficient water for showers, laundry, washing up etc in the Korat, Buri Ram area.

I believe I may be looking at about Bt15,000. Can anyone comment on cost and recommended capacity for the above use.

Thanks,

Bicko

Bicko,

Don't go and buy anything yet, I'm going to put together a system at my place. I need to find a source of activated carbon is all.

If you ask for a large commercial system, the price will be at least 15,000,000 Baht and be sufficient to run an industrial estate.

If it's just for showers, laundry etc, get a couple of lined 45 gallon drums, fill one with a coarse sand, another with granular activated carbon, this should do it. Set your valves and primary filters between barrels up. Easy. Cheap. For drinking water just get a standard system from Home Pro, about 6000 Baht.

Another good one, see pics attached and PM me if you want more details. These are standard 750 Baht Thai Jars, that sit on soakaways. Hold 1500 Litres each, then when full flow over the pot, through the pebbles and into a set of concrete rings and into the ground. Fed from the roof gutters. I use a 2000 Baht submersible pump with hosepipe for moving/using the water as I need to. Each pot and soakaway set up cost about 2500 Baht including the downpipe. Well worth it.

Got a 15m well and town water supply as well.

EDIT: Oh you've got iron. I'll work on that one.

Pots_on_soakaways.pdf

Edited May 21, 2009 by MJP

[Texpat]

Homepro has a cracking sales staff that will quickly lead you to the most expensive filter they sell.

Irrespective of your water woes, the deluxe, super magma, hypo good-tasting, ionic super-did-I-mention-long-lasting gizmo, will solve all your problems, look how many goddamn valves this mofo has .... this is the filter you MUST HAVE. And it's only 25,000 baht.

An absolute idiot with nothing more than an internet connection and the ability to spell w-a-t-e-r is more informed than these imbeciles.

Sorry, but it's true.

HomePro has little more in mind than sales. period. They really could give a shit what you want.

Edited May 21, 2009 by Texpat

[MJP]

Homepro has a cracking sales staff that will quickly lead you to the most expensive filter they sell.

Irrespective of your water woes, the deluxe, super magma, hypo good-tasting, ionic super-did-I-mention-long-lasting gizmo, will solve all your problems, look how many goddamn valves this mofo has .... this is the filter you MUST HAVE. And it's only 25,000 baht.

An absolute idiot with nothing more than an internet connection and the ability to spell w-a-t-e-r is more informed than these imbeciles.

Sorry, but it's true.

HomePro has little more in mind than sales. period. They really could give a shit what you want.

Yes, HomePro is the only place I've seen them for sale here.

I'd sooner build my own.

Last one I built would do 40 cubic metres an hour.

[rjhklein]

Dear All,

Why not try to use a water filter by Stiebel Eltron. It's very compact and does not use UV. UV breaksdown without you noticing it and cost a lot to replace. More important it only paralizes the bacteria and does not kill.

I moved from Clarte to Stiebel Eltron and the taste is so much better.

By the way the Stiebel Eltron filter can be used for 8 month's when you use 12 liters a day. The Clarte had good quality water for only 2 week and after that you are drinking worse water then the water that comes from the tap. ( bacteria nest in the filters)

Anyway look for untra filtration 0.01 Micron, takes all bacteria out.

Edited January 12, 2010 by rjhklein

[blackcountryboing]

Dont bother with any of these filters.

I to have a sub pump that I use for my house, I have a problem with excesive lime in the water. I have previously installed to of these undersink water filter units for drinking water and what a complete waste of money. Like is said above you get this from Home Pro "this one is the best" use it for a couple of months and then need to change the filters.

I have not just got a water chiller that you put the big bottles of water onto. Far cheaper and easy to use.

I recently added a AC powered coil device that is meant to break down the deposits in the water, it takes a couple of months to see the results so awaiting the outcome.

[rjhklein]

Dont bother with any of these filters.

I to have a sub pump that I use for my house, I have a problem with excesive lime in the water. I have previously installed to of these undersink water filter units for drinking water and what a complete waste of money. Like is said above you get this from Home Pro "this one is the best" use it for a couple of months and then need to change the filters.

I have not just got a water chiller that you put the big bottles of water onto. Far cheaper and easy to use.

I recently added a AC powered coil device that is meant to break down the deposits in the water, it takes a couple of months to see the results so awaiting the outcome.

Yes you have the point. I was advised that a drinking water filter for household purpose should only be installed when your house have standard tap water (pre-treated water) (like in Bangkok metropolitan and its surrounding areas). If tap water is not good enough (“hard” water, rust, big particles like sand, soil…), the filter cartridges with small pores will be clogged before its lifetime and therefore as you said, waste of time and money. Water from wells, rivers … is not recommended to use with this kind of water filter either, even with a small pre-filter that some filter brands advise to install before the water filter inlet. This pre-filter will also be clogged even sooner and therefore keep changing it too many times.

If your water supply is “hard”, you should use “a water softener” before it enter the this drinking water filter. (http://homerepair.about.com/od/plumbingrep...er_softener.htm) A “water softener” will “soften” inlet water first then a water filter will do its duty. In this case, your drinking water filter can perform as the manufacturer’s claim.

Big water bottles on a water dispensers are widely used in Thailand. But you can’t always control its water quality. At least, for the water filter I bought, I know its approved by official testing institutes and double checked by a German company. No silly ISO stickers or fake certification (I personally checked it). When the lifetime of the cartridge is expired, water will not flow out or flow out slowly because they use Ultra-Filtration system with good hollow fiber membrane (not made in China), no electricity needed, no tank, no pump needed.

Not like U.V system or R.O system (water still has output while U.V light is broken with a possible 2^nd contamination)…

I also found out that drinking water from my water filter is even cheaper than the big bottle with its water dispenser machine. The more water you use, the more you will save. The investment for the machine will be the same, but the cartridge will eventually cost you less:

My water filter cartridges: 5495 Baht/ 1 year using, can filter ~ 4880 L (max limit at standard tap water) = 1.13 Baht/L (we used for cooking too)

Big bottle: 35 Baht/ 1 bottle of 18.9 L = 1.84 Baht/L

You save 0.7 Baht/L, plus save buying time and get realizable water quality

But again as you mentioned, it depends on your water supply standard.

[rizla]

Hi, please help.....

I need a cheap filter for general use...

My water comes straight from a bore hole, and the main issue is the staining(white spots on my motorbike/car, glasses etc), i dont know if it is salt or lime causing this, but is there a single canister type inline filter for this issue, i dont need it for drinking i just want it for washing the car etc without those nasty residue spots when it drys off...please help i`m in surin area (where to go for such a thing...

[klikster]

"Filtration" will not remove "dissolved solids" such as sodium, calcium, etc. Some form of higher level separation is required. Reverse osmosis works well on some, less so on others. (R.O. has more to do with chemistry than mechanical filtration.)

Many of " .. those nasty residue spots when it drys .." come from dissolved solids like calcium.

De-ionization (cation & anion exchange resins)works on pretty much everything excepts organics, but is quite expensive. The resins need to be regenerated / replaced. And D.I. needs good pre-filtration so that particulate matter doesn't foul the resin beds.

Ultra-filtration is an "in between" that removes large pathogens and fine particulates but not dissolved solids.

Some organics will cause undesirable odors and tastes. Activated charcoal is the normal media used. UV is not a filtration process, but a means of creating ozone (O²) which, in sufficient concentrations, is a very powerful oxidizer and kills bacteria.

Trying to find a "one size fits all" solution is usually frustrating, expensive and is too often ineffective. It's a better idea to sort filters for purposes and use the most appropriate and cost effective solution.

Also, hype and outlandish claims are rife about water treatment.

[rizla]

Has anyone tried these

à¤Ã×èͧ¡Ãͧ¹éÓ, water filter, à¤Ã×èͧ¡Ãͧ¹éÓãªé

looking at the M7, as my feed is from a bore hole and has many white spots when water is left to dry on metal/paint/plastics etc...for sale in IQ and others:jap:

[powderpuff]

Those look good.

[klikster]

Has anyone tried these

à¤Ã×èͧ¡Ãͧ¹éÓ, water filter, à¤Ã×èͧ¡Ãͧ¹éÓãªé

looking at the M7, as my feed is from a bore hole and has many white spots when water is left to dry on metal/paint/plastics etc...for sale in IQ and others:jap:

It would be interesting to know how a "Water Atomizer" removes dissolved solids, heavy metals, creates environments, etc. I always thought an atomizer was another description for a mister. Please note the sales pitch " .. designed to .."

One method of removing scale-causing solids is the use a "water softener" .. a calcium, et.al., exchange with sodium. It does remove calcium but adds significantly greater amounts of sodium than the minerals it removes. How harmful that might be depends on the water.

Trying to do advanced water treatment without knowing what is in it is not a good idea. Test it before you even think about a solution.

[kansan]

Sorry to reply to a very old post, but I found it, and was interested since I have a Clarte filter with UV. I just changed the filter today (I'm a couple months over the recommended 6). There was some kind of slimy light green gunk (bacteria I assume) in the canisters. I have noticed serious water taste degradation over the last few months more and more. It freaked me out. My family has been sick a lot, and I've no idea whether that would have anything to do with it, but it sure cannot help. I've kind of lost my enthusiasm about the filter I have when I discovered the slimy gunk in the canisters. Thank you for the info, I'm going to investigate where to purchase a Stiebel Eltron starting today.

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Why not try to use a water filter by Stiebel Eltron. It's very compact and does not use UV. UV breaksdown without you noticing it and cost a lot to replace. More important it only paralizes the bacteria and does not kill.

I moved from Clarte to Stiebel Eltron and the taste is so much better.

By the way the Stiebel Eltron filter can be used for 8 month's when you use 12 liters a day. The Clarte had good quality water for only 2 week and after that you are drinking worse water then the water that comes from the tap. ( bacteria nest in the filters)

Anyway look for untra filtration 0.01 Micron, takes all bacteria out.

[superdave]

rjhklein,

Where did you buy your Steibel filter and how much was it?

[kamalabob2]

A good Thai building contractor or a good local Thai run "pump / tank" shop can design, sell and install a long lasting series of filtering stainless steel tanks and a stainless steel pressure tank to clean WELL water and maintain proper pressure in a two story home in Isaan. Not from a large a/c mall type location, but the pump shop staff or smart Thai building contractors who also build larger homes for Thai business owners. As it was explained to me, one tank is for the magnesium, one tank for the carbon and one tank for the resin. At "Do Home" outside of Korat the cost to buy

25 kilos of Magnesium is 1540 baht, 25 kilos of Resin is 2184 baht and 50 kilos of Carbon for filter systems is 2050 baht. I bought two Mazuma brand stainless steel tanks for my house which is supplied with municipal water. However the homeowner who has only well water outside a village near Korat had the system installed in these photos along with three 2000 liter quality water tanks and he has excellent water pressure and clean water inside his home.

The tanks in the photo are not Mazuma, in fact they have a wider opening at the top for the annual change of the Magnesium or Carbon or Resin than the Mazuma tanks I have at my home. There certainly are quality building contractors and sub contractors in Isaan who have years of experience with clean water solutions that are a far lower cost to initially purchase and maybe even more important, to maintain, than filters you might see at a modern trade store.

[kamalabob2]

In my earlier post I neglected the control panel for the water system.

[rjhklein]

rjhklein,

Where did you buy your Steibel filter and how much was it?

I am sorry for my late reply and perhaps i even answered you already. Just go to HomePro Boonthavorn or Home work.

[writeshack]

I have a similar problem in Isan and I recently came across this company in the UK, on the web. They will examine a water sample if you send it and recommend filter systems, which they clearly sell, including big ones for an entire house. I haven't contacted them yet, but it's certainly on my list of things to do. The sediment-heavy water I get through the taps is ruining everything it passes through.

http://www.advancedw...bon-filter.html

Edited March 22, 2011 by writeshack

[rjhklein]

I have a similar problem in Isan and I recently came across this company in the UK, on the web. They will examine a water sample if you send it and recommend filter systems, which they clearly sell, including big ones for an entire house. I haven't contacted them yet, but it's certainly on my list of things to do. The sediment-heavy water I get through the taps is ruining everything it passes through.

http://www.advancedw...bon-filter.html

Hi, I checked out the link and I noticed that it is not ultra filtration. Bacteria will not pass through 0.2 micron but the filter it inner core is 1 micron. I noticed that the price is also very high. The main suppliers of water filters in Asia is coming out of Korea. (The ones from China are still not good enough) and they are very good. I am still swearing by the Stiebel Elron Filter which filter down to 0.01 to 0.1 micron. Please note that the water in Isan and other UPC places is probably not as good as in Bangkok so you would be better of with a 10 micron pre filter to prevent the drinking water filter from clogging up to fast. I think Fujika is selling those blocks you can put infront of it.

Any in BKK no need.

[writeshack]

I have a similar problem in Isan and I recently came across this company in the UK, on the web. They will examine a water sample if you send it and recommend filter systems, which they clearly sell, including big ones for an entire house. I haven't contacted them yet, but it's certainly on my list of things to do. The sediment-heavy water I get through the taps is ruining everything it passes through.

http://www.advancedw...bon-filter.html

Hi, I checked out the link and I noticed that it is not ultra filtration. Bacteria will not pass through 0.2 micron but the filter it inner core is 1 micron. I noticed that the price is also very high. The main suppliers of water filters in Asia is coming out of Korea. (The ones from China are still not good enough) and they are very good. I am still swearing by the Stiebel Elron Filter which filter down to 0.01 to 0.1 micron. Please note that the water in Isan and other UPC places is probably not as good as in Bangkok so you would be better of with a 10 micron pre filter to prevent the drinking water filter from clogging up to fast. I think Fujika is selling those blocks you can put infront of it.

Any in BKK no need.

Thanks for the valuable feedback rjhklein. Appreciate your response.