Older Guys, Younger Ladies, An Alternative View......"Maybe You Die"

[itchybum]

I sometimes think that some of the posters on here are braindead.,better if you know nothing say nothing.

I don't agree with you Claudius, this is a very interesting post, just as the Blethers always are, and I'm not just saying this because he is a fellow Scot. There is no poster braindead on this thread that I can see.

Was I Claudius having a go at me?

Love is a luxury in the Third World.

Only the advent of social mobility has made it possible in the West.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is brain dead.

To eat or not to eat, that is the question.

In your case...not....unless that was a trick question.

[NoshowJones]

I sometimes think that some of the posters on here are braindead.,better if you know nothing say nothing.

I don't agree with you Claudius, this is a very interesting post, just as the Blethers always are, and I'm not just saying this because he is a fellow Scot. There is no poster braindead on this thread that I can see.

Was I Claudius having a go at me?

Love is a luxury in the Third World.

Only the advent of social mobility has made it possible in the West.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is brain dead.

To eat or not to eat, that is the question.

Rather than having a go at you Blether, I would think he is having a go at the thread and the posters, and as far as I can see so far there are none of the posters brain dead. They are all making for a very interesting thread.

[robblok]

Well in my experience only desperate girls marry old men, most women like fit men, they like muscles, and flat bellies -specially in this part of the globe-, I've had lovers married to olders men(thai,japanese and westerners) and they do it just for money or a passport, but in the end they use the money of the old guys to expend it with somebody that they really like(in this case , me). In rca I've had many girls from isaan and the north that are this situation, and after two or three days getting in her beds they start to open they hearts and let all the frustraition go out, no wonder they fall in love so easilly, it must be horrible to get in bed with somene that you don't like.

Is it impossible to be both old and fit?

No it is not. Its easy to look fitter as the average and even younger foreigner.

[theblether]

I sometimes think that some of the posters on here are braindead.,better if you know nothing say nothing.

I don't agree with you Claudius, this is a very interesting post, just as the Blethers always are, and I'm not just saying this because he is a fellow Scot. There is no poster braindead on this thread that I can see.

Was I Claudius having a go at me?

Love is a luxury in the Third World.

Only the advent of social mobility has made it possible in the West.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is brain dead.

To eat or not to eat, that is the question.

Rather than having a go at you Blether, I would think he is having a go at the thread and the posters, and as far as I can see so far there are none of the posters brain dead. They are all making for a very interesting thread.

To be honest I was just waiting for my chance to use the "Love is a luxury" line. Once I saw the opening well, you know, I had to use it.

You know what I'm like.

ps. Behave yourself bum scratcher.

[jocko]

Well in my experience only desperate girls marry old men, most women like fit men, they like muscles, and flat bellies -specially in this part of the globe-, I've had lovers married to olders men(thai,japanese and westerners) and they do it just for money or a passport, but in the end they use the money of the old guys to expend it with somebody that they really like(in this case , me). In rca I've had many girls from isaan and the north that are this situation, and after two or three days getting in her beds they start to open they hearts and let all the frustraition go out, no wonder they fall in love so easilly, it must be horrible to get in bed with somene that you don't like.

Not necessarily, you go to bed with yourself every night.

Hahaha, I dont think that going to bed with me is not horrible at all, otherwise why women go to bed with me for free ?

Beats me.

But of course you know the answer.

[Om85]

Well in my experience only desperate girls marry old men, most women like fit men, they like muscles, and flat bellies -specially in this part of the globe-, I've had lovers married to olders men(thai,japanese and westerners) and they do it just for money or a passport, but in the end they use the money of the old guys to expend it with somebody that they really like(in this case , me). In rca I've had many girls from isaan and the north that are this situation, and after two or three days getting in her beds they start to open they hearts and let all the frustraition go out, no wonder they fall in love so easilly .......

Is it impossible to be both old and fit?

........ it must be horrible to get in bed with somene that you don't like.

I managed it for 20 years in the UK!

Sure u can be old and fit, and man how could u endure 20 years like that? what a waste of time.

[transam]

Well in my experience only desperate girls marry old men, most women like fit men, they like muscles, and flat bellies -specially in this part of the globe-, I've had lovers married to olders men(thai,japanese and westerners) and they do it just for money or a passport, but in the end they use the money of the old guys to expend it with somebody that they really like(in this case , me). In rca I've had many girls from isaan and the north that are this situation, and after two or three days getting in her beds they start to open they hearts and let all the frustraition go out, no wonder they fall in love so easilly .......

Is it impossible to be both old and fit?

........ it must be horrible to get in bed with somene that you don't like.

I managed it for 20 years in the UK!

Sure u can be old and fit, and man how could u endure 20 years like that? what a waste of time.

Perhaps his children came first eh.

[FiftyTwo]

Sure u can be old and fit, and man how could u endure 20 years like that? what a waste of time.

You're right, but at the time I loved my house, pension and children.

[grimblegrumble]

It's the Family Tree Game!

Can you name your Great Grandparents? Bonus point if you can name any Great Grandmothers maiden name.

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What's my point?, Your Great Grandmother will recognize the choices faced by young women here. Anyone before her would absolutely have recognized it.

Here's one for you.......do any of you recognize this?

When Debt Comes Through The Front Door, Love Goes Out The Back Door.

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Maybe I am one of the odd ones out. I even know Tom Kirby who set out to America (Wilmington in Delaware) during the civil war there in the USA. He married an American woman (Keturah) and brought her back to England to work and live on his farm. All their family are buried in the same cemetary. My grandaughter carries Keturah as her middle name

I have the records of very many marriages and it is rare indeed for there to be a large age gap. Most married at a young age. They married young and started families young too especially as many children died too young. From tin miners to gamekeepers, to those who set off for Australia to start life in that brave new world there are many stories of hardship.

From the 1800's to the 1960's many lived in small places. The children slept top to tail in one bed or on a straw mattress. Widows struggling to make ends meet taking in lodgers. A husband dies and the family are made homeless because the houses (cottages) were owned by the company the man worked for. When he died the company took the house back for a man with family who took the dead mans place.

Hardship has been there for the greatest majority, yet many people today are scared or ashamed to admit their heritage and ancestry. I am proud to have such a diversity in my heritage. They struggled through life in many cases. They moved to where the work was. In the case of the tin miners they moved up north on trains that were laid on and took literally everything with them except the bricks and mortar to a very uncertain future.

Wilmington cemetary in Delaware has many headstones too. As do places in Australia.

I think that knowing your ancestors past can help you understand the mindset of many poor Thai people who live in tin shacks or houses of breeze block with no plaster on the walls, no water pump or water storage. An old motor, no air con, the odd fan. Scared of the next electric bill. Living hand to mouth day after day. Sharing food as many of our ancestors did. Helping each other out. Families working and living together to survive.

Is it no wonder some send their daughters out to work in Phuket or Pattaya and similar places. Is it no wonder many young women see us as ultra rich and would marry us at the drop of a hat to get a better life. That many try to scam us thinking we will not miss a few tens of thousands of Baht.

I could go on.....

[Bluetongue]

Well Blether I dusted off the family tree (only on Mum's side) and I have their names. On granddad's side Wally Naylor was 5 years younger than Annie Hansard, he married her when he was 20. On grandma's side Ferdinand Eichler was 9 years older than Elizabeth Plowright, he married her when he was 33. Going back to the generations above and beyond I couldn't find a single example of a greater age difference. Half a watermelon thanks.

Mind you I accept the wisdom contained within your post in general.

[Scully]

So let me get this right theblether says its OK to date a really young girl if she is incredibly poor and is doing it for survival. Then on the other hand he is saying don't help out the family, who are too in poverty. Any Thai girl who has family values (yet to meet one that hasn't) will want to help her family out, what next?.

[Kudel]

It's the Family Tree Game!

Can you name your Great Grandparents? Bonus point if you can name any Great Grandmothers maiden name.

...................................................................................................................................................................................................

What's my point?, Your Great Grandmother will recognize the choices faced by young women here. Anyone before her would absolutely have recognized it.

Here's one for you.......do any of you recognize this?

When Debt Comes Through The Front Door, Love Goes Out The Back Door.

......................................................................................................................................................................................................

Maybe I am one of the odd ones out. I even know Tom Kirby who set out to America (Wilmington in Delaware) during the civil war there in the USA. He married an American woman (Keturah) and brought her back to England to work and live on his farm. All their family are buried in the same cemetary. My grandaughter carries Keturah as her middle name

I have the records of very many marriages and it is rare indeed for there to be a large age gap. Most married at a young age. They married young and started families young too especially as many children died too young. From tin miners to gamekeepers, to those who set off for Australia to start life in that brave new world there are many stories of hardship.

From the 1800's to the 1960's many lived in small places. The children slept top to tail in one bed or on a straw mattress. Widows struggling to make ends meet taking in lodgers. A husband dies and the family are made homeless because the houses (cottages) were owned by the company the man worked for. When he died the company took the house back for a man with family who took the dead mans place.

Hardship has been there for the greatest majority, yet many people today are scared or ashamed to admit their heritage and ancestry. I am proud to have such a diversity in my heritage. They struggled through life in many cases. They moved to where the work was. In the case of the tin miners they moved up north on trains that were laid on and took literally everything with them except the bricks and mortar to a very uncertain future.

Wilmington cemetary in Delaware has many headstones too. As do places in Australia.

I think that knowing your ancestors past can help you understand the mindset of many poor Thai people who live in tin shacks or houses of breeze block with no plaster on the walls, no water pump or water storage. An old motor, no air con, the odd fan. Scared of the next electric bill. Living hand to mouth day after day. Sharing food as many of our ancestors did. Helping each other out. Families working and living together to survive.

Is it no wonder some send their daughters out to work in Phuket or Pattaya and similar places. Is it no wonder many young women see us as ultra rich and would marry us at the drop of a hat to get a better life. That many try to scam us thinking we will not miss a few tens of thousands of Baht.

I could go on.....

Many good paying jobs are available in the automotive sector in Chonburi said company's are complaining because they cant find enough staff,one does not have to be a rocket scientist to work on an assembly line in a car factory,most of the time it's not about poverty but sheer lazyness.

[JLCrab]

A favorite of the young Thai girls these days from Hikaru Utada:

See I don't need a freeloader

No I don't want a freeloader

If you want a piece of this stuff

Got to give, got to give something

[i claudius]

Lets face it most of the old guys you see here in Pattaya with a 20 something hottie are a punter with a bar girl ,nearly all the guys that i know are married to pleasant but ordinary looking women ,my wife is 24 years younger than me ,and we have a 20 year old son ,and to the guy who said that all younger women are sleeping around ,you must be shacked up with a bar girl or hooker as they are known in the UK ,because if my misses is sleeping around it must be while i am upstairs on the computer as she never goes anywhere without me ,,as i said earlier some people on here spout a load of bullshit. they know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

[harryfrompattaya]

Lets be honest- Bui would not have married Herb if he was a bank manager (or plumber)- no way, no how.

Love can of course exist in old man/young lady marriages- but the reality is that in every case i know of old farang/young thai wife, his young wife will be sleeping around behind his back.

Listen I am 82 not gay but I would marry Herb How about you?

[theblether]

So let me get this right theblether says its OK to date a really young girl if she is incredibly poor and is doing it for survival. Then on the other hand he is saying don't help out the family, who are too in poverty. Any Thai girl who has family values (yet to meet one that hasn't) will want to help her family out, what next?.

I did not say that.

[jocko]

Lets face it most of the old guys you see here in Pattaya with a 20 something hottie are a punter with a bar girl ,nearly all the guys that i know are married to pleasant but ordinary looking women ,my wife is 24 years younger than me ,and we have a 20 year old son ,and to the guy who said that all younger women are sleeping around ,you must be shacked up with a bar girl or hooker as they are known in the UK ,because if my misses is sleeping around it must be while i am upstairs on the computer as she never goes anywhere without me ,,as i said earlier some people on here spout a load of bullshit. they know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Spot on the only way i can get rid of the wife for a while is go for a walk in the sun.

And delusion can effect the young as well as the old.

[cpofc]

'Trophy Wives' - The male of the species is, by evolution, is hardwired for it. Been going on since the dawn of time. Yin and Yang - Etc., Ad Infinitum.

Love? Or just Gold digging? Here is another old saying for you Blether. Women give sex for love. Men give love for sex

The wise say we should not be cynical about Love. But true, unconditional love is extremely elusive, if not, rare. And then there many who would confuse elusive with illusive.

I have a few acquaintances back in Aust who still refer to, and introduce their younger spouses quite openly in social environments, as their 'Child Bride'. Male ego insecurity?

Thailand, plus all the other developing and 3rd world countries provide a resource for 'Trophy Wives' to those, non rich and rather average men, who otherwise would not be able to afford the same where they come from. Under normal circumstances young, hard bodied, attractive females do not, as a rule, marry fat, bald, unfit, middle aged, POOR men who cannot provide for them..

You can go back through history to the dawn of time and find many examples of 'Trophy Wives', but here a few recent ones.

So do you have love? Or a Trophy?

What about starting a topic on 'Cougars'.

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/05/what-if-men-stopped-chasing-much-younger-women/275916/

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[TheSpade]

Maybe the reason some of the marriages/GFs with an older farang an a young Thai girl work these days -- contrary to a post above -- is that if the young girl has any sexual interest outside of that relationship she is more likely to hunt down another girl rather than another guy

In your fantasies perhaps?

Sure there seems to be a rise in toms / lesbian couples around recently but still a very small minority and most girls are not going to go shack up with another girl.

[Scully]

So let me get this right theblether says its OK to date a really young girl if she is incredibly poor and is doing it for survival. Then on the other hand he is saying don't help out the family, who are too in poverty. Any Thai girl who has family values (yet to meet one that hasn't) will want to help her family out, what next?.

I did not say that.

OK my apologies, you would never write something so short and to the point

You do a very good job of justifying an age gap for the poor Thai girl, which we all understand. The point that tvf is obsessed with is the fact that most men don't see this. The part I don't understand is, a girl automatically is seen as a bad one if she wants to help her family out when from the very start its obvious the relationship is financial.

My advice is don't start any relationship when the lady can't look after herself financially, I wouldn't date a girl in the west without a good work ethic so same rules apply here.

[robblok]

So let me get this right theblether says its OK to date a really young girl if she is incredibly poor and is doing it for survival. Then on the other hand he is saying don't help out the family, who are too in poverty. Any Thai girl who has family values (yet to meet one that hasn't) will want to help her family out, what next?.

I did not say that.

OK my apologies, you would never write something so short and to the point

You do a very good job of justifying an age gap for the poor Thai girl, which we all understand. The point that tvf is obsessed with is the fact that most men don't see this. The part I don't understand is, a girl automatically is seen as a bad one if she wants to help her family out when from the very start its obvious the relationship is financial.

My advice is don't start any relationship when the lady can't look after herself financially, I wouldn't date a girl in the west without a good work ethic so same rules apply here.

Problem with that is many of the guys here ONLY have money to get girls no social skills or looks to speak about so they go for the ones that are impressed by money nr 1. And they believe the hansum man thing ect ect.

Id say to each his or her own if they are happy like that and can keep it going (making sure the girl does not find a way to get the money without having to be with him) the go for it.

Just not my cup of tea but others might like it.

[Neeranam]

So let me get this right theblether says its OK to date a really young girl if she is incredibly poor and is doing it for survival. Then on the other hand he is saying don't help out the family, who are too in poverty. Any Thai girl who has family values (yet to meet one that hasn't) will want to help her family out, what next?.

I did not say that.

OK my apologies, you would never write something so short and to the point

You do a very good job of justifying an age gap for the poor Thai girl, which we all understand. The point that tvf is obsessed with is the fact that most men don't see this. The part I don't understand is, a girl automatically is seen as a bad one if she wants to help her family out when from the very start its obvious the relationship is financial.

My advice is don't start any relationship when the lady can't look after herself financially, I wouldn't date a girl in the west without a good work ethic so same rules apply here.

Hardly fair comparing farang in Thailand with our great grandparents. Wake up and see that most old farang meet poor Thai girls half their age in brothels disguised as pubs. This is the reason most marriages are doomed, nothing to do with the age difference.

[tingtong]

my simple view:

if a girl, age 20-30yrs, bargirl, or otherwise , decided to marry her "grandfather" thai or farang, age 65-85 yrs.....well, enjoy both party, i dont mind.

it is their choice. and the older guy's.

but i dont want to hear neither party crying about their decision later

[Om85]

Lets face it most of the old guys you see here in Pattaya with a 20 something hottie are a punter with a bar girl ,nearly all the guys that i know are married to pleasant but ordinary looking women ,my wife is 24 years younger than me ,and we have a 20 year old son ,and to the guy who said that all younger women are sleeping around ,you must be shacked up with a bar girl or hooker as they are known in the UK ,because if my misses is sleeping around it must be while i am upstairs on the computer as she never goes anywhere without me ,,as i said earlier some people on here spout a load of bullshit. they know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Oldman, If u r talking about my post I never said that all younger women are sleeping around, I said : in my experience , maybe you are one of the lucky ones,besides that according to what you said ur wife must be in the 40ies so she's old, u hav nothing to worry about and don't get so sentimental. I do hav slept with some barlgirls(always free of charge) must of them married to farrang, japanese and thais, so what? I just wonder where you met ur lovely wife that apparently doesn't do anything but atking care of you

[krisb]

Well all I can say is when I'm an older gent, and if my lovely wife has left me by then, I'm gonna be a dirty old womanizing bastid. Tally ho.

[Neeranam]

Well all I can say is when I'm an older gent, and if my lovely wife has left me by then, I'm gonna be a dirty old womanizing bastid. Tally ho.

Me too, if I have any money left.

[HardenedSoul]

I'm sure it is possible for a young woman to genuinely love a far older man for who he is inside but I remain of the opinion that those relationships are as rare as hen's teeth despite the efforts of some members to convince themselves otherwise.

There are quite a few old men in Thailand who are fully aware of the nature of their relationships with local women but there are far more who prefer to delude themselves.

Still, if they're happy, delude away.

[JLCrab]

So now we have 'delude' and 'fantasies' from the usual suspects checking in like punching a time clock within an hour or 2 of each other and it only took 4 pages.

[HardenedSoul]

Oh <deleted>, Crabby's gonna chuck his toys out of the pram again

[itchybum]

Lets face it most of the old guys you see here in Pattaya with a 20 something hottie are a punter with a bar girl ,nearly all the guys that i know are married to pleasant but ordinary looking women ,my wife is 24 years younger than me ,and we have a 20 year old son ,and to the guy who said that all younger women are sleeping around ,you must be shacked up with a bar girl or hooker as they are known in the UK ,because if my misses is sleeping around it must be while i am upstairs on the computer as she never goes anywhere without me ,,as i said earlier some people on here spout a load of bullshit. they know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Oldman, If u r talking about my post I never said that all younger women are sleeping around, I said : in my experience , maybe you are one of the lucky ones,besides that according to what you said ur wife must be in the 40ies so she's old, u hav nothing to worry about and don't get so sentimental. I do hav slept with some barlgirls(always free of charge) must of them married to farrang, japanese and thais, so what? I just wonder where you met ur lovely wife that apparently doesn't do anything but atking care of you

Thai girls can be very charitable to those that look to need it.