Non-EU citizens will be able to work in Britain after Bulgarian restrictions lifted

[JoeLing]

If they're working what's the problem? They'll pay tax and contribute to the economy just as the Poles and other EU citizends have done.

Depends which jobs they take. What do our unemployed do? Move to Eastern Europe?

No don't be silly man

They educate their children how to get to scavenge the most of our social system.

I guarantee you, in order to achieve that, you need at least two generations of

British experience to do so. Absolute no chance as a genuine unemployed

British worker who used to pay tax until unemployed or for any foreigner who

enters the UK for the first time.

An average British worker working his 45 hours per week plus numerous overtime

will be worse off then the average British unemployed person (mostly doing the

odd, regular cash in hand job) who knows how to get all kind of benefits - benefits

paid by his neighbour.

Now if you're British, are unemployed and subsequently have 7 children, you will

definitely better of then the average Doctor or a GP working in a hospital, maybe,

just maybe even better off then the average Brit living here in Thailand

BUT I suppose it's easier to blame foreigners then ones own kind.

The average wage for a GP £100,000 a year. Jobseeker's allowance is currently £71.70 a week.

For the GP you forgot to deduct:

First off all TAX - fairly high tax and NI payments

Study loan repayments

Professional Body fees

BMA Membership fees

Indemnity insurances

All the tests and certifications need to be paid for

Further education (although they used to be paid by some drug companies) today you have to pay for yourself.

Not enough, you'll have to pay for all your children's transport to school. All the meals or trips they have.

You will need Dental insurance, as social will not pay for a GP or his family.

If you're sick, you'll pay for most of your medication.

If you should suffer a "stress related illness" as many doctors do, insurance will not pay.

And if you get to be unemployed, you can't even go on the dole.

If your fridge brakes, you have to buy a new one yourself.

If your matrass is a few years old, you have to pay that one by yourself.

In fact, nothing for free apart from some pencils and key rings from your drugrep.

As for the unemployed, you forget to add:

No TAX to pay

Income from the job as night security guard (cash in hand of course)

Income from repairing the GP's second hand car (paid him in cash too)

Free fridge, matress or other "necessities" when needed,

Free dental treatment

Free transport to school, free meals, free trips

Subsidised this and free that.

And yeah, I do speak from experience, not from tabloid press.

[EDIT] Sorry, got a bit to over excited, forgot to say to ad childbenefit for those 7 kids I mentioned before.

Edited January 1, 2014 by JoeLing

[MJP]

Some GP's earn a lot but not that many.

My best friend in Blighty (oh no wait, he's in Aus now) is a GP. Before tax he was on £60k a year. Drove a 13 year old Ford Fiesta, couldn't afford to buy a house in Dorset and was still paying off student loans. He was 36 at this time.

His wife was a specialist nurse. Both now in Aus. Gave up with Blighty.

[folium]

With your study of economics at university would you care to address the lump of labour fallacy you introduced earlier?

No I rather hear your explanation why my position is "lump of labor fallacy"

I am waiting with bated breath, professor Folium

As someone so keen to advertise your qualifications it seems strange that you don't know about or understand such a basic concept of economics.

PS Professor is an earned academic title (at least it is in Europe) and is thus deserving of a capital P.

Again with the grammatical corrections

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull S*#t "

"But answer came there none".....

[MJP]

Say millions do arrive.

Where are they going to live?

Is there not a housing crisis in the UK due to the lowest house building output for decades?

There's not even sufficient 'accommodation'.

[sustento]

For the GP you forgot to deduct:

First off all TAX - fairly high tax and NI payments

Study loan repayments

Professional Body fees

BMA Membership fees

Indemnity insurances

All the tests and certifications need to be paid for

Further education (although they used to be paid by some drug companies) today you have to pay for yourself.

Not enough, you'll have to pay for all your children's transport to school. All the meals or trips they have.

You will need Dental insurance, as social will not pay for a GP or his family.

If you're sick, you'll pay for most of your medication.

If you should suffer a "stress related illness" as many doctors do, insurance will not pay.

And if you get to be unemployed, you can't even go on the dole.

If your fridge brakes, you have to buy a new one yourself.

If your matrass is a few years old, you have to pay that one by yourself.

In fact, nothing for free apart from some pencils and key rings from your drugrep.

As for the unemployed, you forget to add:

No TAX to pay

Income from the job as night security guard (cash in hand of course)

Income from repairing the GP's second hand car (paid him in cash too)

Free fridge, matress or other "necessities" when needed,

Free dental treatment

Free transport to school, free meals, free trips

Subsidised this and free that.

And yeah, I do speak from experience, not from tabloid press.

You obviously have little idea how remuneration works in the NHS. Most GPs are actually self-employed. Each surgery is run as a private business to make a profit which is shared out by the partners. The difference between a private business and a GP surgery is that the staffing and utilities costs for the surgery are paid for by government (you and me).

There's also the Cost Rent scheme where a GP practice raise a mortgage to build a new surgery. They then get their local PCT to pay the mortgage using the Cost Rent scheme. When the mortgage is paid the Doctors, not the PCT, own the surgery (probably worth a million or two) that's been paid for by you and me.

GP salary = £100,000 p.a. Jobseeker's Allowance = £3728.4 p.a. You're telling me that the unemployed are getting £97,000 a year of other benefits on top of JSA?

Edited January 1, 2014 by sustento

[sirineou]

Again with the grammatical corrections

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull S*#t "

"But answer came there none".....

Answers will come your way when you stop responding with, personal opinion, innuendo, and anecdotal BS

until such time I will ignore you

Go stalk some one else

[JoeLing]

Say millions do arrive.

Where are they going to live?

Is there not a housing crisis in the UK due to the lowest house building output for decades?

There's not even sufficient 'accommodation'.

No worries, Milton Keynes 2 on Dartmoor, MK 3 on Exmoor and MK4 in the lake district will take care of

a million. Maybe one more somewhere in Lincolnshire to welcome all those millions of immigrants. Maybe

somewhere around Boston just to give it a bit of a historical flair. That would even stimulate the economy,

create new jobs and those "foreign invaders" wouldn't need to queue in front of us in the benefits offices.

[MJP]

For the GP you forgot to deduct:

First off all TAX - fairly high tax and NI payments

Study loan repayments

Professional Body fees

BMA Membership fees

Indemnity insurances

All the tests and certifications need to be paid for

Further education (although they used to be paid by some drug companies) today you have to pay for yourself.

Not enough, you'll have to pay for all your children's transport to school. All the meals or trips they have.

You will need Dental insurance, as social will not pay for a GP or his family.

If you're sick, you'll pay for most of your medication.

If you should suffer a "stress related illness" as many doctors do, insurance will not pay.

And if you get to be unemployed, you can't even go on the dole.

If your fridge brakes, you have to buy a new one yourself.

If your matrass is a few years old, you have to pay that one by yourself.

In fact, nothing for free apart from some pencils and key rings from your drugrep.

As for the unemployed, you forget to add:

No TAX to pay

Income from the job as night security guard (cash in hand of course)

Income from repairing the GP's second hand car (paid him in cash too)

Free fridge, matress or other "necessities" when needed,

Free dental treatment

Free transport to school, free meals, free trips

Subsidised this and free that.

And yeah, I do speak from experience, not from tabloid press.

You obviously have little idea how remuneration works in the NHS. Most GPs are actually self-employed. Each surgery is run as a private business to make a profit which is shared out by the partners. The difference between a private business and a GP surgery is that the staffing and utilities costs for the surgery are paid for by government (you and me).

There's also the Cost Rent scheme where a GP practice raise a mortgage to build a new surgery. They then get their local PCT to pay the mortgage using the Cost Rent scheme. When the mortgage is paid the Doctors, not the PCT, own the surgery (probably worth a million or two) that's been paid for by you and me.

GP salary = £100,000 p.a. Jobseeker's Allowance = £3728.4 p.a. You're telling me that the unemployed are getting £97,000 a year of other benefits on top of JSA?

I have no idea as to the proportions, but most long term unemployed are not just receiving the basic dole. I have no idea about UK benefits, what they are, how much, what they cover, but if the long term unemployed were only on £71 a week to cover everything they'd have been dead long ago.

[JoeLing]

For the GP you forgot to deduct:

First off all TAX - fairly high tax and NI payments

Study loan repayments

Professional Body fees

BMA Membership fees

Indemnity insurances

All the tests and certifications need to be paid for

Further education (although they used to be paid by some drug companies) today you have to pay for yourself.

Not enough, you'll have to pay for all your children's transport to school. All the meals or trips they have.

You will need Dental insurance, as social will not pay for a GP or his family.

If you're sick, you'll pay for most of your medication.

If you should suffer a "stress related illness" as many doctors do, insurance will not pay.

And if you get to be unemployed, you can't even go on the dole.

If your fridge brakes, you have to buy a new one yourself.

If your matrass is a few years old, you have to pay that one by yourself.

In fact, nothing for free apart from some pencils and key rings from your drugrep.

As for the unemployed, you forget to add:

No TAX to pay

Income from the job as night security guard (cash in hand of course)

Income from repairing the GP's second hand car (paid him in cash too)

Free fridge, matress or other "necessities" when needed,

Free dental treatment

Free transport to school, free meals, free trips

Subsidised this and free that.

And yeah, I do speak from experience, not from tabloid press.

You obviously have little idea how remuneration works in the NHS. Most GPs are actually self-employed. Each surgery is run as a private business to make a profit which is shared out by the partners. The difference between a private business and a GP surgery is that the staffing and utilities costs for the surgery are paid for by government (you and me).

There's also the Cost Rent scheme where a GP practice raise a mortgage to build a new surgery. They then get their local PCT to pay the mortgage using the Cost Rent scheme. When the mortgage is paid the Doctors, not the PCT, own the surgery (probably worth a million or two) that's been paid for by you and me.

GP salary = £100,000 p.a. Jobseeker's Allowance = £3728.4 p.a. You're telling me that the unemployed are getting £97,000 a year of other benefits on top of JSA?

Sustento - as obviously you do have a real good idea how the NHS works -

(although GP's are not really part of the NHS anymore, as you said, private, government controlled businesses).

Maybe you could explain how I can get my insurance to pay for stress related illness?

Maybe you could advice me to which doll office to go in order to get benefits as a self-unemployed person?

Maybe you could advice me how to get the money back we paid in to the surgery, if you and me paid it already?

Maybe you could even help me getting a 9th of that "millions worth" of surgery, once its paid off in 25 years time?

To get back to the topic, what I could complain about is those foreign eastern block doctors coming to the UK

to work weekends or a couple of months. Sure they must take British doctors work away as they get so well

paid,( £100,000 p.a - taxfree?) or could there be any other reason why our so well educated and highly paid

doctors and nurses move to other countries? Whilst we only get unskilled scavengers abusing our welfare state,

aggressively begging and excrementing our streets. Wearing strange clothes and exercising weird customs.

De-colonializing our good western society.

Dohhhh ............

Edited January 1, 2014 by JoeLing

[Phil Water]

Of course Canadians and other citizens of commonwealth nation will still be banned from working in the U.K. without special Visas.

[folium]

Again with the grammatical corrections

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull S*#t "

"But answer came there none".....

Answers will come your way when you stop responding with, personal opinion, innuendo, and anecdotal BS

until such time I will ignore you

Go stalk some one else

And meanwhile you still seem to find it hard to respond to the "fallacy of the lump of labour" concept, something most undergraduate economics students grasp in their first year. This is fundamental to understanding the impact of immigration, which funnily enough is what this thread is all about.

Read up and respond. Silence speaks volumes. Up to you....

[Maestro]

Removed an off-topic post.

[Mosha]

I think this is wonderful news. It is an opportunity for Britain to gain more diversity and enjoy vibrant new cultures. Just think of all the great new cuisine that will now be on offer, too. And more people driving up the population so the UK can out produce Germany and be the most competitive country in the EU in terms of salaries and providing a good climate for business, banking, and capital formation for the job providing class. Paradise is right around the corner!

And the funny thing is how well exactly that scenario has worked for the USA over the last couple of centuries....

It's actually not fair on a lot of immigrants to open the door like this.

I had Nigerian security guards on some sites in the UK. One evening I asked one of them about coming to the UK and what their thoughts were after say, two weeks of being here. "Disappointment", was the answer. Then I got told a whole raft of Dickensian horror stories regaling how families had moved to the UK to better their lives only to 1. end up living in deeper poverty and worse housing conditions than from whence they came, and 2. being economically trapped in this mire, no longer having the means to get home, and 3. in some cases families being separated for years because of point 2.

Add to this, is it fair to take other countries people? Many countries have the demographic time bomb problem, skills and labour shortages and in taking these people are we not stunting the growth, development and prosperity of these other nations?

I thought the streets were paved with gold.

[folium]

I think this is wonderful news. It is an opportunity for Britain to gain more diversity and enjoy vibrant new cultures. Just think of all the great new cuisine that will now be on offer, too. And more people driving up the population so the UK can out produce Germany and be the most competitive country in the EU in terms of salaries and providing a good climate for business, banking, and capital formation for the job providing class. Paradise is right around the corner!

And the funny thing is how well exactly that scenario has worked for the USA over the last couple of centuries....

It's actually not fair on a lot of immigrants to open the door like this.

I had Nigerian security guards on some sites in the UK. One evening I asked one of them about coming to the UK and what their thoughts were after say, two weeks of being here. "Disappointment", was the answer. Then I got told a whole raft of Dickensian horror stories regaling how families had moved to the UK to better their lives only to 1. end up living in deeper poverty and worse housing conditions than from whence they came, and 2. being economically trapped in this mire, no longer having the means to get home, and 3. in some cases families being separated for years because of point 2.

Add to this, is it fair to take other countries people? Many countries have the demographic time bomb problem, skills and labour shortages and in taking these people are we not stunting the growth, development and prosperity of these other nations?

I thought the streets were paved with gold.

They can be if you just share with me your bank details so the necessary funds can be transferred......

[simon43]

I am sure that Spain and Thailand are really grateful for some of the cultural enrichers that have washed up on their shores.

The difference between Spain and Thailand is that those cultural enrichers on Spanish shores are (if EU citizens), fully entitled to live and work in Spain.

The same who wash up on Thailand shores are visitors, with almost all of them having no legal right to reside permanently or work in the country. With very few exceptions, they are not immigrants.

Try coming to Thailand and taking the jobs of Thais, or claiming benefits etc. You won't last long

Simon

[NeverSure]

I think this is wonderful news. It is an opportunity for Britain to gain more diversity and enjoy vibrant new cultures. Just think of all the great new cuisine that will now be on offer, too. And more people driving up the population so the UK can out produce Germany and be the most competitive country in the EU in terms of salaries and providing a good climate for business, banking, and capital formation for the job providing class. Paradise is right around the corner!

And the funny thing is how well exactly that scenario has worked for the USA over the last couple of centuries....

That is exactly what worked for the USA for a couple of centuries. Diversification. Great engineers from Germany and other places including Einstein for example. The US was called a melting pot and has, on the Statue of Liberty the sign:

"Give me your tired, your poor, your wretched refuse yearning to be free, the huddled masses of your teeming shores. Send them, the homeless, tempest tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

This is where millions of people of all nationalities first arrived and were processed into the US.

But these were people who came to be self sufficient and there was no welfare or free food.

What changed was the introduction of entitlements which now take up more than 1/2 the budget as people sit on their asses. Why not? It pays more than working for many and the bigger the family the more they get.

The problem is the entitlements. When they get overwhelming, then there isn't money to pay the important bills. Also government grows, new laws are passed, and someone must be hired to enforce these laws. The government grows.

If America self destructed, I predict it would be because of entitlements, and growing bureaucracy to manage and enforce entitlements and other new laws.

Things used to be so simple. Get a job or put an apple cart on a street corner until you can do better. In the meantime, people were free to invent, create, prosper, build, hire, succeed, and generally be free. America has therefore led the world in economy and innovation. But it didn't come from those who were given handouts. It came from those who strived to succeed through hard work.

[Scott]

A bunch of off-topic and inflammatory posts have been removed along with replies.

Stick to the topic.

[me313]

Europe is dying a slow death inflicted by the Europeans themselves. Apart from those "domestic" issues there is a never-ending flow of Eritreans, Ethiopians, Sudanese and all those North Africans taking the Lampedua-express. The collapse is predictable

Which will result, as an intended consequence, a rise in racist rhetoric, nationalism, and Immigration "reform" due to national outrage.

[GAZZPA]

For the GP you forgot to deduct:

First off all TAX - fairly high tax and NI payments

Study loan repayments

Professional Body fees

BMA Membership fees

Indemnity insurances

All the tests and certifications need to be paid for

Further education (although they used to be paid by some drug companies) today you have to pay for yourself.

Not enough, you'll have to pay for all your children's transport to school. All the meals or trips they have.

You will need Dental insurance, as social will not pay for a GP or his family.

If you're sick, you'll pay for most of your medication.

If you should suffer a "stress related illness" as many doctors do, insurance will not pay.

And if you get to be unemployed, you can't even go on the dole.

If your fridge brakes, you have to buy a new one yourself.

If your matrass is a few years old, you have to pay that one by yourself.

In fact, nothing for free apart from some pencils and key rings from your drugrep.

As for the unemployed, you forget to add:

No TAX to pay

Income from the job as night security guard (cash in hand of course)

Income from repairing the GP's second hand car (paid him in cash too)

Free fridge, matress or other "necessities" when needed,

Free dental treatment

Free transport to school, free meals, free trips

Subsidised this and free that.

And yeah, I do speak from experience, not from tabloid press.

You obviously have little idea how remuneration works in the NHS. Most GPs are actually self-employed. Each surgery is run as a private business to make a profit which is shared out by the partners. The difference between a private business and a GP surgery is that the staffing and utilities costs for the surgery are paid for by government (you and me).

There's also the Cost Rent scheme where a GP practice raise a mortgage to build a new surgery. They then get their local PCT to pay the mortgage using the Cost Rent scheme. When the mortgage is paid the Doctors, not the PCT, own the surgery (probably worth a million or two) that's been paid for by you and me.

GP salary = £100,000 p.a. Jobseeker's Allowance = £3728.4 p.a. You're telling me that the unemployed are getting £97,000 a year of other benefits on top of JSA?

I have no idea as to the proportions, but most long term unemployed are not just receiving the basic dole. I have no idea about UK benefits, what they are, how much, what they cover, but if the long term unemployed were only on £71 a week to cover everything they'd have been dead long ago.

You can claim other benefits but make no mistake you are not wealthy on the welfare system in the UK. (You are much better off in some other countries in Scandinavia for example) There maybe some exceptions as you are able to claim an allowance for each child you have (so you can feed them but not much else) so if you have 7 kids as some people have quoted on this forum then you will get some housing benefits so the kids are not homeless and you would receive some income for each child.

So, if you have 7 kids and if you were stupid enough to have them without any suitable income to support such a huge family, and if you are inclined to claim benefits rather then actually work then may be you can claim enough money that some people will be pissed. But how many people have 7 kids? And if you do know them how many have bred 7 kids without a suitable income to support them? Clearly these people are few and no strain on the welfare system.. It's a stupid example that people are using.

To compare GP's income to someone claiming welfare is also ridiculous. As I said you are not wealthy on the welfare system at all,, full stop. You are basically stuck going nowhere until you find a new job.

[JoeLing]

One of the many reasons why I left England to live here. The whole country has been sinking into a quagmire for at least 10 years now. That video is awesome !

Rubbish. Every country is changing and it is a "global" fact that most countries (there are a few exceptions) have many more foreigners in them then previous generations. The world is smaller and people are working abroad due to global trading and manufacturing.

As each country allows foreigners to work in their country there will always be people like you who see this a negative thing, sure there are downsides but what about the upsides? For example more taxpayers in the country, (I am sure I pay much more tax then the average Thai for example), new skills and shared learning, stronger trade agreements and basically support for the countries growth. Have you thought of those? Seems not..

It is also ironic that as you complain about the influx on foreigners in the the UK, which you site as one of your reasons for leaving, you have actually moved abroad yourself and plonked yourself in Thailand. It's hypocritical, it's a brave new world, get used to it, try and accept it because it's not going to change.

When the government is paying money printing leaflets in Polish language instructing them how to claim money on the dole meanwhile ignoring much more important things and claiming there is no money to pay for them, you know there is something wrong. I have no problem with foreigners as long as they don't try to chest the system. Don't try and pick a fight with me as I am not interested. Save your vitriolic speeches for someone else who gives a crap...There are many more important reasons why I left but this was one small part of it.

Well that's now one thing I do have to agree with you.

If a country wants to stop the influx of foreign immigrants from "Sub-standard" countries,

why is just about any leaflet from the government translated in to :

- Polish,

- Urdu,

- Russian,

- Gujarati,

- Hindi,

- Bengali,

- Farsi,

- Bengali,

- Pushto,

- Somali,

- Punjabi,

- Turkish,

- Welsh

- Spanish

- Portuguese

- even French.

Are those the desirable countries?

Now I haven't seen any leaflets translated in to German or Italian.

So, must be that it's the Italians, Germans, Austrians, Swiss and the people from Lichtenstein

that are the real undesirables, scavenging our social welfare state?

Edited January 2, 2014 by JoeLing

[MJP]

For the GP you forgot to deduct:

First off all TAX - fairly high tax and NI payments

Study loan repayments

Professional Body fees

BMA Membership fees

Indemnity insurances

All the tests and certifications need to be paid for

Further education (although they used to be paid by some drug companies) today you have to pay for yourself.

Not enough, you'll have to pay for all your children's transport to school. All the meals or trips they have.

You will need Dental insurance, as social will not pay for a GP or his family.

If you're sick, you'll pay for most of your medication.

If you should suffer a "stress related illness" as many doctors do, insurance will not pay.

And if you get to be unemployed, you can't even go on the dole.

If your fridge brakes, you have to buy a new one yourself.

If your matrass is a few years old, you have to pay that one by yourself.

In fact, nothing for free apart from some pencils and key rings from your drugrep.

As for the unemployed, you forget to add:

No TAX to pay

Income from the job as night security guard (cash in hand of course)

Income from repairing the GP's second hand car (paid him in cash too)

Free fridge, matress or other "necessities" when needed,

Free dental treatment

Free transport to school, free meals, free trips

Subsidised this and free that.

And yeah, I do speak from experience, not from tabloid press.

You obviously have little idea how remuneration works in the NHS. Most GPs are actually self-employed. Each surgery is run as a private business to make a profit which is shared out by the partners. The difference between a private business and a GP surgery is that the staffing and utilities costs for the surgery are paid for by government (you and me).

There's also the Cost Rent scheme where a GP practice raise a mortgage to build a new surgery. They then get their local PCT to pay the mortgage using the Cost Rent scheme. When the mortgage is paid the Doctors, not the PCT, own the surgery (probably worth a million or two) that's been paid for by you and me.

GP salary = £100,000 p.a. Jobseeker's Allowance = £3728.4 p.a. You're telling me that the unemployed are getting £97,000 a year of other benefits on top of JSA?

I have no idea as to the proportions, but most long term unemployed are not just receiving the basic dole. I have no idea about UK benefits, what they are, how much, what they cover, but if the long term unemployed were only on £71 a week to cover everything they'd have been dead long ago.

You can claim other benefits but make no mistake you are not wealthy on the welfare system in the UK. (You are much better off in some other countries in Scandinavia for example) There maybe some exceptions as you are able to claim an allowance for each child you have (so you can feed them but not much else) so if you have 7 kids as some people have quoted on this forum then you will get some housing benefits so the kids are not homeless and you would receive some income for each child.

So, if you have 7 kids and if you were stupid enough to have them without any suitable income to support such a huge family, and if you are inclined to claim benefits rather then actually work then may be you can claim enough money that some people will be pissed. But how many people have 7 kids? And if you do know them how many have bred 7 kids without a suitable income to support them? Clearly these people are few and no strain on the welfare system.. It's a stupid example that people are using.

To compare GP's income to someone claiming welfare is also ridiculous. As I said you are not wealthy on the welfare system at all,, full stop. You are basically stuck going nowhere until you find a new job.

These discussions always end up comparing extremes. It's part of Godwin's Law I believe.

There exists a serious problem in the UK of the career welfare claimant. I do know of people in their forties who've never had a job yet have 'a bad knee'. Well, I'm chronically diabetic with heart disease and somehow I manage it and there's often long periods between projects, being self-employed I have no access to the system. I am of course obliged to pay for them.

You can see why I get pi$$ed off with this.

[JoeLing]

Of course Canadians and other citizens of commonwealth nation will still be banned from working in the U.K. without special Visas.

Sorry, they are to highly qualified, to well educated and we could not complain about them

[zydeco]

I just can't wait until we have an homogeneous world. Every place will be like every other place. No different. Basically, a giant fast food court.

[belg]

the UK is going to get a taste what the rest of west europe has for far too long: many many non willing people bringing in all their family and all living on social welfare

[7by7]

Of course Canadians and other citizens of commonwealth nation will still be banned from working in the U.K. without special Visas.

Can British citizens work in Canada, or any other Commonwealth nation, without a visa?

Can't say for all, but certainly for Canada and most others: no.

Whereas British citizens have the same freedom of movement rights in other EEA states as other EEA nationals have in the UK.

Rights currently being exercised by approximately 1 million Brits.

[a99az]

Yes work, they are no longer able to claim benefits for the first three months. So have a job and house lined up before you come.

[ravip]

I remember reading some where an idiom that goes something like this...

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Maybe we should change it to...

What's sauce for the goose is definitely NOT sauce for the gander.

Edit

"Sub-standard" countries,

This statement SURE comes from a sub-standard source!

What is the "standard"?

Edited January 2, 2014 by ravip

[MJP]

Of course Canadians and other citizens of commonwealth nation will still be banned from working in the U.K. without special Visas.

Can British citizens work in Canada, or any other Commonwealth nation, without a visa?

Can't say for all, but certainly for Canada and most others: no.

Whereas British citizens have the same freedom of movement rights in other EEA states as other EEA nationals have in the UK.

Rights currently being exercised by approximately 1 million Brits.

Yup. But it takes some doing. Canada is desperate for highly skilled people at the moment and I know Brits who've been very happy out there many years now.

It took my GP friend over a year to get his Aus visa mind and they're short of medical staff there. In the end he called 'em up and gave the Embassy an ultimatum. Either we get the visa this week or you can forget it. Visa was with him the next day!

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If they're working what's the problem? They'll pay tax and contribute to the economy just as the Poles and other EU citizends have done.

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Yes work, they are no longer able to claim benefits for the first three months. So have a job and house lined up before you come.

This has actually always effectively been the case. As already said, EEA migrants have no automatic right to most benefits until they have PR, and they need to have lived in the UK for at least 5 years without being an unreasonable burden upon the state to get that.

The 'legislation' you refer to is merely a cosmetic exercise by Cameron in a feeble effort to show that he is 'doing something' about immigration.

His, and his government's, time on this issue would be far better spent educating the British public about the actual facts; rather than knee jerk reactions to anti immigration propaganda by the Mail and similar papers and rants by Farage and others.