Bangkok Shutdown - decree still an option: govt

[webfact]

BANGKOK SHUTDOWN
Decree still an option: govt
The Nation

Emergency security law may be imposed if violence breaks out, PM's aide says

BANGKOK: -- A KEY STRATEGIST of the caretaker government hinted yesterday of the possibility of imposing an emergency decree to prevent violence during the "Bangkok Shutdown" campaign by anti-government protesters next Monday.

PM's secretary general Suranand Vejjajiva said it was possible the government could opt for an emergency decree if there was violence, if an "ill-intentioned" third party provoked violence.

He said police had worked hard over the past two months and the government would like support from the military to keep security in a defensive role.

"We do not want the military to play a role as they did in the 2010 political riot," he said.

The government respected the military's neutral political stance but it wanted the military to protect the law and democracy.

The military top brass last week opposed a move to invoke the security law. The top brass didn't want a repeat of the painful experience of the crackdown on red-shirt protesters in May 2010, which has seen the Army blamed for many deaths and injuries.

Caretaker Information and Communications Technology Minister Anudith Nakornthap, speaking at another press conference, said intelligence agencies had learnt that certain protesters may resort to violence. They also feared that third-party groups may take advantage of the rallies to foment violence, he claimed.

"The government is concerned for the safety of the people. If the demonstration is peaceful and lawful, it can go ahead. But several earlier rallies saw a number of groups violate the law - including the rights of others - by stirring up violence. The government would therefore like to implore those intent on using violence to think again," Anudith said.

Leader of the People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) Suthep Thaugsuban yesterday led thousands of protesters on a march through the western part of Bangkok to warm up for their "Shutdown" starting on January 13.

Green group coordinator Suriyasai Katasila has expressed confidence that the shutdown rally would draw the largest ever anti-government protest because not only it would be the final showdown of the political struggle but a national graft agency is about to reveal graft cases at the same time.

"This could lead to a political change before the general election is held," he said.

He urged PM Yingluck Shinawatra against resorting to a tactic of using mobs against mobs. "Do not be a hypocrite by saying 'I don't want to see violence' but allowing aides to create situation and instigate violence," he said.

Meanwhile, Pheu Thai Party claimed there were plans to mobilise thousands of hardcore supporters, who would use violence during the "Shutdown".

Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit alleged that the 6,000 extremists would be dispatched to stir up violence during the mass rallies in Bangkok

during the Shutdown. The PDRC has vowed to hold simultaneous rallies to paralyse Bangkok and pressure the caretaker government into aborting the February 2 poll.

Prompong alleged the violence would be worse than the December 26 clashes between police and protesters at the Bangkok Youth Centre, also known as the Thai-Japanese Stadium. On that day, a policeman and a protester were fatally shot and over 100 people injured.

However, Democrat deputy leader Ongart Klampaibul dismissed fears of 6,000 radicals being mobilised as a ploy to discredit the PDRC. He said it was part of the government's ongoing campaign to frame PDRC leaders and frighten protesters so that they don't join the rallies. Instead the number of protesters was growing. The caretaker PM should stop resorting to underhand tactics, Ongart said.

He also said the government should tell the red shirts not to organise rallies in provinces around Bangkok on Thursday as this may lead to clashes between the groups.

-- The Nation 2014-01-06

[EricBerg]

Now I'm getting confused. Suthep wants the army to move in. The army doesn't like the idea. Now the government wants to force the army with a decree to move in. Does that mean the big fight is over? Both sides fighting the army now?

[JRSoul]

"Meanwhile, Pheu Thai Party claimed there were plans to mobilise thousands of hardcore supporters, who would use violence during the "Shutdown".Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit alleged that the 6,000 extremists would be dispatched to stir up violence during the mass rallies in Bangkok"

My bet is they will be wearing red.

[DrTuner]

Now I'm getting confused. Suthep wants the army to move in. The army doesn't like the idea. Now the government wants to force the army with a decree to move in. Does that mean the big fight is over? Both sides fighting the army now?

Army is likely to take over anyway, my guess is next Sunday. Both sides are just trying to cozy up to them, probably in hopes of sneaking their own into the next technocrat government.

[Tatsujin]

"Meanwhile, Pheu Thai Party claimed there were plans to mobilise thousands of hardcore supporters, who would use violence during the "Shutdown".Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit alleged that the 6,000 extremists would be dispatched to stir up violence during the mass rallies in Bangkok"

My bet is they will be wearing red.

. . . or black . . . ?

[webfact]

Security chief: Emergency Decree probable if turmoil deepens
By Digital Content

BANGKOK, Jan 6 - The government will not impose an emergency decree in Bangkok unless the political turmoil escalates to casualties or terrorism, according to the National Security Council (NSC).

NSC secretary general Paradorn Pattanatabut said a state of emergency is a normal procedure of preparations in case of a critical situation and, if enforced, the army will not object to it.

In an urgent security meeting last week, the army reportedly disagreed with the government’s proposed imposition of the emergency decree to deal with seizure of Bangkok on Jan 13 as announced by protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban, self-appointed secretary general of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC).

Lt Gen Paradorn said the Internal Security Operations Command and the National Police Bureau have jointly mapped out deployment of personnel in the capital to cope with anticipated massive Jan 13 rallies.

They have yet to work out details on assigning areas for responsible units, he said, adding that security will be beefed up at residences of the caretaker prime minister and key Cabinet members

PDRC protesters have threatened to cut electricity and water supplies to their residences and government properties on January 13. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2014-01-06

[Toscano]

We wait and see . I read that the army is moving into Bangkok this evening with tanks and artilery , not as a coup , but to keep the peace and to prevent a shut down of the city planned for 13th January .

[bushwacker]

In summary ... blah, blah, blah.

In conclusion ... blah, blah, blah.

Stay tuned ... tomorrow we will have several important announcements concerning ... blah, blah, blah.

[Baerboxer]

Interesting that Prompong - a convicted criminal supposedly serving a non parolable prison sentence is still out and about making veiled threats.

Seems that PTP is the party for convicted criminals who never get to serve any sentence.

Maybe the caretaker PM/DM should show her desire for peace and reform in actions. First one could be to make sure convicted criminal fugitives are arrested and incarcerated. Any overseas would require extradition proceedings. Then she could instruct the police to action all outstanding warrants to bring those charged before the courts. After that, she may care to answer directly questions concerning the illegal acts of her government.

Maybe not....................... safer to lay low and hope to cling to power long enough to fix another election or at least until the whitewash bill can be rammed through to "zero" everything.

It's like children being caught out telling many lies. Let's start fresh and pretend it never happened. We won'd do it again! Yeah, right.

[Ricardo]

Interesting to see the caretaker-PM's secretary-general describe 2010 as a "political riot" here ! Perhaps Tharit's DSI should pursue some of the leading rioters, and charge them with murder, too ?

And "the government would therefore like to implore those intent on using violence to think again", perhaps the caretaker-ICT-Minister should ensure that this message reaches any black-costumed police armed with gas-grenades positioned on the roof-tops of government buildings, and those armed with rubber-bullets, or manning their water-cannon ?

The whole thing is fraught with danger, the army understandably want nothing to do with it, if at all possible.

[tingtongteesood]

Emergency security law may be imposed if violence breaks out, PM's aide says

BANGKOK: -- A KEY STRATEGIST of the caretaker government hinted yesterday of the possibility of imposing an emergency decree to prevent violence during the "Bangkok Shutdown" campaign by anti-government protesters next Monday.

PM's secretary general Suranand Vejjajiva said it was possible the government could opt for an emergency decree if there was violence, if an "ill-intentioned" third party provoked violence.

He said police had worked hard over the past two months and the government would like support from the military to keep security in a defensive role.

"We do not want the military to play a role as they did in the 2010 political riot," he said.

The government respected the military's neutral political stance but it wanted the military to protect the law and democracy.

The military top brass last week opposed a move to invoke the security law. The top brass didn't want a repeat of the painful experience of the crackdown on red-shirt protesters in May 2010, which has seen the Army blamed for many deaths and injuries.

Caretaker Information and Communications Technology Minister Anudith Nakornthap, speaking at another press conference, said intelligence agencies had learnt that certain protesters may resort to violence. They also feared that third-party groups may take advantage of the rallies to foment violence, he claimed.

"The government is concerned for the safety of the people. If the demonstration is peaceful and lawful, it can go ahead. But several earlier rallies saw a number of groups violate the law - including the rights of others - by stirring up violence. The government would therefore like to implore those intent on using violence to think again," Anudith said.

Leader of the People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) Suthep Thaugsuban yesterday led thousands of protesters on a march through the western part of Bangkok to warm up for their "Shutdown" starting on January 13.

Green group coordinator Suriyasai Katasila has expressed confidence that the shutdown rally would draw the largest ever anti-government protest because not only it would be the final showdown of the political struggle but a national graft agency is about to reveal graft cases at the same time.

"This could lead to a political change before the general election is held," he said.

He urged PM Yingluck Shinawatra against resorting to a tactic of using mobs against mobs. "Do not be a hypocrite by saying 'I don't want to see violence' but allowing aides to create situation and instigate violence," he said.

Meanwhile, Pheu Thai Party claimed there were plans to mobilise thousands of hardcore supporters, who would use violence during the "Shutdown".

Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit alleged that the 6,000 extremists would be dispatched to stir up violence during the mass rallies in Bangkok

during the Shutdown. The PDRC has vowed to hold simultaneous rallies to paralyse Bangkok and pressure the caretaker government into aborting the February 2 poll.

Prompong alleged the violence would be worse than the December 26 clashes between police and protesters at the Bangkok Youth Centre, also known as the Thai-Japanese Stadium. On that day, a policeman and a protester were fatally shot and over 100 people injured.

However, Democrat deputy leader Ongart Klampaibul dismissed fears of 6,000 radicals being mobilised as a ploy to discredit the PDRC. He said it was part of the government's ongoing campaign to frame PDRC leaders and frighten protesters so that they don't join the rallies. Instead the number of protesters was growing. The caretaker PM should stop resorting to underhand tactics, Ongart said.

He also said the government should tell the red shirts not to organise rallies in provinces around Bangkok on Thursday as this may lead to clashes between the groups.

-- The Nation 2014-01-06

TRANSLATION : There will be violence, the caretaker government guarantees it, of course they will make sure it is people not wearing red shirts so they can deny all knowledge, then they will invoke the emergency decree to up the ante. Detritus the lot of them !

This is plainly a veiled threat to try and dissuade protestors from coming out, then PT can go 'haha nobody cares' - nothing to do with their threats of violence of course.....

[siampolee]

As commented on by other posters in this tonic and a S.M.S. from ''The Nation.'' It appears that the military are moving heavy artillery into Bangkok so as not to be hindered by the proposed shutdown his coming week. Now is this purely an innocent logistic move or is it a not too subtle warning to all involved as to the fact that the military are still in the picture, albeit sitting on the reserves bench so to speak?

The police seem to be as effective and as useful and in fact unwilling to actually contain and control the crowds, basically the police are as effective as ''a fart in a colander?

Therefore are the military being briefed to step in and keep the peace, or is there a far longer reaching tactic involved in this military equipment and personnel movement?.,,

It's going to be an interesting development to see what, or which avenue (s) the military might take or feel obliged to take in the very near future

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http://media4.picsearch.com/is?BJPHWxQwtVjnsAfshGZJtdYSOkzwUO8UJkmbYH60i94&height=266

Edited January 6, 2014 by siampolee

[rreddin]

As commented on by other posters in this tonic and a S.M.S. from ''The Nation.'' It appears that the military are moving heavy artillery into Bangkok so as not to be hindered by the proposed shutdown his coming week. Now is this purely an innocent logistic move or is it a not too subtle warning to all involved as to the fact that the military are still in the picture, albeit sitting on the reserves bench so to speak?

The police seem to be as effective and as useful and in fact unwilling to actually contain and control the crowds, basically the police are as effective as ''a fart in a colander?

Therefore are the military being briefed to step in and keep the peace, or is there a far longer reaching tactic involved in this military equipment and personnel movement?.,,

It's going to be an interesting development to see what, or which avenue (s) the military might take or feel obliged to take in the very near future

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http://media4.picsearch.com/is?BJPHWxQwtVjnsAfshGZJtdYSOkzwUO8UJkmbYH60i94&height=266

If the military are moving in heavy artillery as you suggest, such weapons would be of little practical use as, the last time I looked, Bangkok is a densly built up urban area. Could it be the movements , if indeed there are any such weapons movements, are being made for two reasons:

1. to send a not so subtle message; and

2. to put them out of reach of others who might seek to take them?

[Scamper]

The administration's repeated efforts to get the army on the streets will not succeed. They are opposed to doing that, and have stated so flatly. The only instance in which the army might conceivably find themselves involved would be if they find the people on the streets in need of protection. But certainly not the administration. In terms of Pheu Thai's apparently ongoing election strategy to instill fear and intimidation among the people - these are simply the vestiges of an administration fast running out of steam, or credibility.

[h90]

Now I'm getting confused. Suthep wants the army to move in. The army doesn't like the idea. Now the government wants to force the army with a decree to move in. Does that mean the big fight is over? Both sides fighting the army now?

Army is likely to take over anyway, my guess is next Sunday. Both sides are just trying to cozy up to them, probably in hopes of sneaking their own into the next technocrat government.

After 15 years in Thailand I would say the Surayud government was the best I have seen so far.....Lets have military backed technocrat government!

[h90]

As commented on by other posters in this tonic and a S.M.S. from ''The Nation.'' It appears that the military are moving heavy artillery into Bangkok so as not to be hindered by the proposed shutdown his coming week. Now is this purely an innocent logistic move or is it a not too subtle warning to all involved as to the fact that the military are still in the picture, albeit sitting on the reserves bench so to speak?

The police seem to be as effective and as useful and in fact unwilling to actually contain and control the crowds, basically the police are as effective as ''a fart in a colander?

Therefore are the military being briefed to step in and keep the peace, or is there a far longer reaching tactic involved in this military equipment and personnel movement?.,,

It's going to be an interesting development to see what, or which avenue (s) the military might take or feel obliged to take in the very near future

.

http://media4.picsearch.com/is?BJPHWxQwtVjnsAfshGZJtdYSOkzwUO8UJkmbYH60i94&height=266

If the military are moving in heavy artillery as you suggest, such weapons would be of little practical use as, the last time I looked, Bangkok is a densly built up urban area. Could it be the movements , if indeed there are any such weapons movements, are being made for two reasons:

1. to send a not so subtle message; and

2. to put them out of reach of others who might seek to take them?

Well tanks, while not of much use for a peaceful takeover look impressive, and my old father is happy when he sees them, they remind him when was young and he is amazed that they can still move.....

[Publicus]

Now I'm getting confused. Suthep wants the army to move in. The army doesn't like the idea. Now the government wants to force the army with a decree to move in. Does that mean the big fight is over? Both sides fighting the army now?

Army is likely to take over anyway, my guess is next Sunday. Both sides are just trying to cozy up to them, probably in hopes of sneaking their own into the next technocrat government.

After 15 years in Thailand I would say the Surayud government was the best I have seen so far.....Lets have military backed technocrat government!

The coup government with Gen Surayud as PM did nothing because the military is educated, trained and prepared to fight wars, not to govern civil society as the functioning and permanent government. Anyone who praises a military coup's ruling dictators who brutalize constitutionalism completely fails to recognize or be aware of their temporary caretaker status and role and the fact that, if the military were to remain in command of the civil government and civil society, that would create the miserable and pathetic dictatorship that was the illegitimate ruling power in Burma/Myanmar which until only recently had existed the past 40 years.

Praising a military dictatorship means one is looking at the shadows on the wall instead of at the fire - a military government is incompetent as the self-appointed replacement government of any civil society in a modern nation-state.

Indeed, Suthep's still anonymous "People's Council" of autocratic elitist rule would appeal to such a mindset as might think a temporary military dictatorship with a specified purpose for a defined period of time could rule over a country, its economy, financial system, educational system, conduct foreign policy and affairs, relate to regional organizations and their elected civil governments such as Asean, provide for the social welfare and human rights of its domestic population and so on.

Praising a military ruling dictatorship is either mindless or, if one has truly thought about and believes it is good, fascist.

[Smokemachine]

Heard the REDs coming out again.

5000 into bangkok for the next anti-govt protest.

Pls don't let 2010 happen again.

[paz]

The administration's repeated efforts to get the army on the streets will not succeed. They are opposed to doing that, and have stated so flatly. The only instance in which the army might conceivably find themselves involved would be if they find the people on the streets in need of protection. But certainly not the administration. In terms of Pheu Thai's apparently ongoing election strategy to instill fear and intimidation among the people - these are simply the vestiges of an administration fast running out of steam, or credibility.

Senseless, biased, patronizing, Scamper's posting has it all, a must read for the fascist aficionado.

[slipperylobster]

The military, as I see it, will have a tough job. Perhaps the best thing is to just have them occupy all positions, and enforce the law equally. I know it sounds naive, but does anybody have any other ideas? Nobody is backing down. Congratulations (so far) for the restraint the military has had (referring to present circumstances and not the past). I am afraid martial law will be imposed....and nobody likes that. Tourism will surely be ruined, but a Government shutdown seems imminent.

[Johnnie99]

As commented on by other posters in this tonic and a S.M.S. from ''The Nation.'' It appears that the military are moving heavy artillery into Bangkok so as not to be hindered by the proposed shutdown his coming week. Now is this purely an innocent logistic move or is it a not too subtle warning to all involved as to the fact that the military are still in the picture, albeit sitting on the reserves bench so to speak?

The police seem to be as effective and as useful and in fact unwilling to actually contain and control the crowds, basically the police are as effective as ''a fart in a colander?

Therefore are the military being briefed to step in and keep the peace, or is there a far longer reaching tactic involved in this military equipment and personnel movement?.,,

It's going to be an interesting development to see what, or which avenue (s) the military might take or feel obliged to take in the very near future

.

http://media4.picsearch.com/is?BJPHWxQwtVjnsAfshGZJtdYSOkzwUO8UJkmbYH60i94&height=266

If the military are moving in heavy artillery as you suggest, such weapons would be of little practical use as, the last time I looked, Bangkok is a densly built up urban area. Could it be the movements , if indeed there are any such weapons movements, are being made for two reasons:

1. to send a not so subtle message; and

2. to put them out of reach of others who might seek to take them?

Au contraire, surely. A densely built area is exactly that in which the heavy artillery would shine.

[paz]

Au contraire, surely. A densely built area is exactly that in which the heavy artillery would shine.

What an inane comment! The Syrian Army should be decorated then ?!?

[fab4]

As commented on by other posters in this tonic and a S.M.S. from ''The Nation.'' It appears that the military are moving heavy artillery into Bangkok so as not to be hindered by the proposed shutdown his coming week. Now is this purely an innocent logistic move or is it a not too subtle warning to all involved as to the fact that the military are still in the picture, albeit sitting on the reserves bench so to speak?

The police seem to be as effective and as useful and in fact unwilling to actually contain and control the crowds, basically the police are as effective as ''a fart in a colander?

Therefore are the military being briefed to step in and keep the peace, or is there a far longer reaching tactic involved in this military equipment and personnel movement?.,,

It's going to be an interesting development to see what, or which avenue (s) the military might take or feel obliged to take in the very near future

.

http://media4.picsearch.com/is?BJPHWxQwtVjnsAfshGZJtdYSOkzwUO8UJkmbYH60i94&height=266

If the military are moving in heavy artillery as you suggest, such weapons would be of little practical use as, the last time I looked, Bangkok is a densly built up urban area. Could it be the movements , if indeed there are any such weapons movements, are being made for two reasons:

1. to send a not so subtle message; and

2. to put them out of reach of others who might seek to take them?

Or

3. Moving the tanks and artillery to be in position ready for Childrens Day, which is the real reason.

I love these conspiracy theories - Just goes to show what happens when you read (and sadly, believe) too many articles written by cartalucci...............

[sawadee1947]

Y. should have done this after the first week already

[HAL9000]

A protest is a lawful expression of opinion. A shutdown is an unlawful infringement on the rights of others and the state. I support any and all action by the police to prevent any illegitimate persons from moving into the city.

[marcusd]

As commented on by other posters in this tonic and a S.M.S. from ''The Nation.'' It appears that the military are moving heavy artillery into Bangkok so as not to be hindered by the proposed shutdown his coming week. Now is this purely an innocent logistic move or is it a not too subtle warning to all involved as to the fact that the military are still in the picture, albeit sitting on the reserves bench so to speak?

The police seem to be as effective and as useful and in fact unwilling to actually contain and control the crowds, basically the police are as effective as ''a fart in a colander?

Therefore are the military being briefed to step in and keep the peace, or is there a far longer reaching tactic involved in this military equipment and personnel movement?.,,

It's going to be an interesting development to see what, or which avenue (s) the military might take or feel obliged to take in the very near future

.

http://media4.picsearch.com/is?BJPHWxQwtVjnsAfshGZJtdYSOkzwUO8UJkmbYH60i94&height=266

If the military are moving in heavy artillery as you suggest, such weapons would be of little practical use as, the last time I looked, Bangkok is a densly built up urban area. Could it be the movements , if indeed there are any such weapons movements, are being made for two reasons:

1. to send a not so subtle message; and

2. to put them out of reach of others who might seek to take them?

the artillery movement is for children's day of course as reported on Thai visa yesterday.

Silly to think otherwise

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[marcusd]

Now I'm getting confused. Suthep wants the army to move in. The army doesn't like the idea. Now the government wants to force the army with a decree to move in. Does that mean the big fight is over? Both sides fighting the army now?

Army is likely to take over anyway, my guess is next Sunday. Both sides are just trying to cozy up to them, probably in hopes of sneaking their own into the next technocrat government.

After 15 years in Thailand I would say the Surayud government was the best I have seen so far.....Lets have military backed technocrat government!

The coup government with Gen Surayud as PM did nothing because the military is educated, trained and prepared to fight wars, not to govern civil society as the functioning and permanent government. Anyone who praises a military coup's ruling dictators who brutalize constitutionalism completely fails to recognize or be aware of their temporary caretaker status and role and the fact that, if the military were to remain in command of the civil government and civil society, that would create the miserable and pathetic dictatorship that was the illegitimate ruling power in Burma/Myanmar which until only recently had existed the past 40 years.

Praising a military dictatorship means one is looking at the shadows on the wall instead of at the fire - a military government is incompetent as the self-appointed replacement government of any civil society in a modern nation-state.

Indeed, Suthep's still anonymous "People's Council" of autocratic elitist rule would appeal to such a mindset as might think a temporary military dictatorship with a specified purpose for a defined period of time could rule over a country, its economy, financial system, educational system, conduct foreign policy and affairs, relate to regional organizations and their elected civil governments such as Asean, provide for the social welfare and human rights of its domestic population and so on.

Praising a military ruling dictatorship is either mindless or, if one has truly thought about and believes it is good, fascist.

Whilst what you state is in general true... May I take you to recent Spain where military dictatorship worked and now democracy thrives

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[h90]

Now I'm getting confused. Suthep wants the army to move in. The army doesn't like the idea. Now the government wants to force the army with a decree to move in. Does that mean the big fight is over? Both sides fighting the army now?

Army is likely to take over anyway, my guess is next Sunday. Both sides are just trying to cozy up to them, probably in hopes of sneaking their own into the next technocrat government.

After 15 years in Thailand I would say the Surayud government was the best I have seen so far.....Lets have military backed technocrat government!

The coup government with Gen Surayud as PM did nothing because the military is educated, trained and prepared to fight wars, not to govern civil society as the functioning and permanent government. Anyone who praises a military coup's ruling dictators who brutalize constitutionalism completely fails to recognize or be aware of their temporary caretaker status and role and the fact that, if the military were to remain in command of the civil government and civil society, that would create the miserable and pathetic dictatorship that was the illegitimate ruling power in Burma/Myanmar which until only recently had existed the past 40 years.

Praising a military dictatorship means one is looking at the shadows on the wall instead of at the fire - a military government is incompetent as the self-appointed replacement government of any civil society in a modern nation-state.

Indeed, Suthep's still anonymous "People's Council" of autocratic elitist rule would appeal to such a mindset as might think a temporary military dictatorship with a specified purpose for a defined period of time could rule over a country, its economy, financial system, educational system, conduct foreign policy and affairs, relate to regional organizations and their elected civil governments such as Asean, provide for the social welfare and human rights of its domestic population and so on.

Praising a military ruling dictatorship is either mindless or, if one has truly thought about and believes it is good, fascist.

YES....And now think what we can learn from the fact that the military appointed Surayud government (which indeed didn't do much) government was the best one in the last 15 years?

That all the other government were even worse as they only filled their own pockets. The Surayud government did nothing, the others did damage...

At: "educated, trained and prepared to fight wars, not to govern civil society" right. Now you tell me where Yingluck, Chalerm, Banharn, etc etc were educated and trained to govern civil society.....Thaksin is policeman and we know: because the POLICE is educated, trained and prepared to fight criminals (at least theoretically), not to govern civil society. And Yingluck isn't educated at all.

Beside that half the parliament is full with former army and policemen.

Military ruling dictatorship is fascist??????????????????????????????

Tito the fascist

Gaddafi the fascist

Assad the fascist

There was a good share of socialist and communist military dictators....

[Publicus]

No military dictator who seizes state power by conducting a military mutiny, ie. a coup d'état, gives the public the opportunity to vote for them. This is in direct contradiction to any fair and clean electoral process which produces popular governments that have a mandate from the governed to govern.

A coup is by definition an extra-constitutional action, the opposite of an election.

The Surayud coup government sat on the country for slightly more than 12 months while the coup council accomplished its purpose of formally, i.e., legally, condemning the deposed tyrant prime minister. Is that what coups are for? It's okay then, izzit?

I reiterate, people who like Suthep's openly declared street insurrection would equally like a military coup if it suited their own selfish purposes.

Franco's fascist military dictatorship over Spain for 30 or so years, which you vaguely reference, was in fact - guess what? It was a fascist military dictatorship over the country for some 30 years, and it is a fair warning to Thailand concerning Suthep's feudal council of anonymous elitists who would be appointed for just a short time to rule arbitrarily and in a summary fashion over the country.

I can't believe people here are arguing for fascist militarism in Thailand, but they apparently are doing exactly that. There appears to be more fascists around here than I'd thought.

[Thait Spot]

999 were a new wave band during the 70s and 80s.

One song of theirs was "Emergency"

We've heard it all before

We've learning to ignore

You must confess this awful mess

Isn't just a bore

It's more than we could bear

But you don't really care

Kiss of live to save our life

All you do is stare

Sell yourself for cheap

Make our mother weep

Loosing pride is hard to hide

And harder still to keep

I'm back in full attack

Never give in until they crack

Emercency

Raiders strike but where

Panic in the air

Running scared oh im so scared

It gets you everywhere

Heard it on the news

Rebels get accused

Fighting for another cause

But why and where and whose

Carry out their plan

Release us if you can

Whats your worth to a pile of earth

Youre just another man

Black jack wanna quack

Never get your money back

Pack attack in the back

By a bloody maniac

Better see industry

Take it fast and make it last

Go away make them pay

Never make the same misstakes

Sometimes care sometimes not

See 'em bleed and see them rot

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