Voting fraud by MP helped kill loan bill

[winstonc]

What is the US Ambassador saying about this type of democracy?

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Like prbkk and others of their ilk on here, this type of action is ok apparently in democratic redland...their silence speaks volumes.

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From what I have read of prbkk (and his ilk) they would not support these actions.

The biggest difference that I have noticed between the supporters of each side on these forums is the willingness of only the prbkk side to accept the flaws of those that they support whilst the Suthepsta's seem to think they are on the side of angels.

Blind fools if ever there were.

I guess accepting the flaws is an easier proposition for prbkk as his side only has about 1 or 2 for every 100 by the Suthepsta's.

obviously havnt read all their posts before your dreamt up attempt to cleanse them..rich teacher... troll on lad..

[HonestQuietBob]

Too true.

Now that Suthep has utterly failed and been ring-fenced in Lumpini Park there has been a great many jumping off the wagon.

(It seems the only real protestors that remain are the PDRC guards who have been ripping off the local prostitutes).

The support has swung behind the push for a judicial coup.

It too will fail and the anti-government forces will be in search of a new "wagon".

There is a reason why the entire international community does not support the methods of the movement to remove the government of Thailand.

Those inside Thailand that support the overthrow refuse to see the facts as they are - they are blind to the flaws of the cause they support.

They are forced to remain in denial and defend the indefensible in order to continue on with their illigitimate actions.

So irrespective of whichever faction of the "yellow" side an individual supports - denial of the flaws within is required as there so much that is wrong and so little that is right within the movement.

Your funny

Reds usually are because their statements are so crazy

The international comunity does not know what they want.. they support Ukraine anti government but not here.. why because Ukraine anti government is anti Russian and the current Thai government is quite pro USA. Its not about right or wrong but they support just those who share their views.

As far as I'm aware,

Not a single government in any nation on the entire globe supports the methods of the ongoing efforts to overthrow the Thai government.

Many governments have diplomatically voiced their disapproval of the movement

Further, not one of these governments is under any domestic pressure to alter their position by their respective parliamentary oppositions.

The disapproval is pretty much universal,across the board and clear cut.

What separates the Thai street mobs from the other active movements currently in the streets of various countries is that in Thailand the protest movement wants less democracy - not more. Thus - there is no support for them.

Protest movements are generally majorities getting rid of minorities - the Suthepsta's have got it ass backwards and that is why they are failing.

[robblok]

Too true.

Now that Suthep has utterly failed and been ring-fenced in Lumpini Park there has been a great many jumping off the wagon.

(It seems the only real protestors that remain are the PDRC guards who have been ripping off the local prostitutes).

The support has swung behind the push for a judicial coup.

It too will fail and the anti-government forces will be in search of a new "wagon".

There is a reason why the entire international community does not support the methods of the movement to remove the government of Thailand.

Those inside Thailand that support the overthrow refuse to see the facts as they are - they are blind to the flaws of the cause they support.

They are forced to remain in denial and defend the indefensible in order to continue on with their illigitimate actions.

So irrespective of whichever faction of the "yellow" side an individual supports - denial of the flaws within is required as there so much that is wrong and so little that is right within the movement.

Your funny

Reds usually are because their statements are so crazy

The international comunity does not know what they want.. they support Ukraine anti government but not here.. why because Ukraine anti government is anti Russian and the current Thai government is quite pro USA. Its not about right or wrong but they support just those who share their views.

As far as I'm aware,

Not a single government in any nation on the entire globe supports the methods of the ongoing efforts to overthrow the Thai government.

Many governments have diplomatically voiced their disapproval of the movement

Further, not one of these governments is under any domestic pressure to alter their position by their respective parliamentary oppositions.

The disapproval is pretty much universal,across the board and clear cut.

What separates the Thai street mobs from the other active movements currently in the streets of various countries is that in Thailand the protest movement wants less democracy - not more. Thus - there is no support for them.

Protest movements are generally majorities getting rid of minorities - the Suthepsta's have got it ass backwards and that is why they are failing.

You are indeed funny and deluded.

The people on the street are the same who ousted the president for corruption in the Okraine. But in this case the western governments just like this current goverment more as what might come.

But the anti goverment only want reforms and then an ellection to clean the system up more. It has been shown how corrupt and crooked the current government is and how they have constantly attacked indipendent agencies that check them.

Point in case the rice scam, the loan and many others.

Anyone supporting this government is as morally corrupt as they are.

[Morch]

The report says the ruling party were ' nailed '.

Oh really, and just what will happen to the offending MP ?

Can i open by suggesting NOTHING ?

Back to the topic at hand...^

House Speaker Somsak Kiatsuranont on Thursday said a hearing would be convened to look into the scandal in which a number of coalition MPs allegedly asked their colleagues to cast electronic votes on their behalf when they were not in the chamber during the voting session.

To cast a vote, MPs have to insert an official identification card into a balloting slot. The scandal broke after certain senators and MPs pointed out that some Pheu Thai MPs were not present but had been able to vote by surrendering their IDs.

Somsak said he doubted if the scandal would void the vote on the charter amendment bill, arguing the majority support for the bill should outpace a few invalid ballots.

He said the opposition had the right to petition the Constitution Court for a judicial review on the issue but he did not think the court battle would alter the passage of the bill.

The second reading of the bill is taking place over eight days, he said, revealing that the debate will adjourn for the weekend and resume on Monday.

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said all sides should check the facts before drawing a conclusion on the scandal.

If MPs unwittingly made a mistake, they should be cautioned, Yingluck said, adding that in the case of a clear violation of House rules, the Pheu Thai Party will punish them.

Pheu Thai MP Samart Kaewmechai said penalties for violating House rules ranged from a caution to denying the nomination for re-election.

Pheu Thai MP Jirayu Huangsub said he was willing to submit his resignation if the allegations were true.

He said that the voting scandal was a fabricated story because the Pheu Thai MPs involved had surrendered their IDs.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/House-ethics-committee-to-look-into-voting-scandal-30180672.html

That was end of April 2012. I don't recall any drastic measures taken, though.

Not too clear why the PM asserted that in case of clear violation on house rules the offender is to be punished by his own party, but have to admit I don't know the rules and penalties on this one.

[Baerboxer]

Hey Vorachai - if your mate is on the taxpayers payroll he has to vote for himself - not go attend to his own biz on taxpayers time. If u don't understand that basic rule then <deleted> of parliament you freeloader :-)

Yep.

But typical PTP response. The Law isn't convenient for us so we ignored it. We're the government don't you know? We come from election and can do what we like.

How many times have we heard these words or seen actions that illustrate them?

[northernjohn]

The report says the ruling party were ' nailed '.

Oh really, and just what will happen to the offending MP ?

Can i open by suggesting NOTHING ?

Back to the topic at hand...^

House Speaker Somsak Kiatsuranont on Thursday said a hearing would be convened to look into the scandal in which a number of coalition MPs allegedly asked their colleagues to cast electronic votes on their behalf when they were not in the chamber during the voting session.

To cast a vote, MPs have to insert an official identification card into a balloting slot. The scandal broke after certain senators and MPs pointed out that some Pheu Thai MPs were not present but had been able to vote by surrendering their IDs.

Somsak said he doubted if the scandal would void the vote on the charter amendment bill, arguing the majority support for the bill should outpace a few invalid ballots.

He said the opposition had the right to petition the Constitution Court for a judicial review on the issue but he did not think the court battle would alter the passage of the bill.

The second reading of the bill is taking place over eight days, he said, revealing that the debate will adjourn for the weekend and resume on Monday.

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said all sides should check the facts before drawing a conclusion on the scandal.

If MPs unwittingly made a mistake, they should be cautioned, Yingluck said, adding that in the case of a clear violation of House rules, the Pheu Thai Party will punish them.

Pheu Thai MP Samart Kaewmechai said penalties for violating House rules ranged from a caution to denying the nomination for re-election.

Pheu Thai MP Jirayu Huangsub said he was willing to submit his resignation if the allegations were true.

He said that the voting scandal was a fabricated story because the Pheu Thai MPs involved had surrendered their IDs.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/House-ethics-committee-to-look-into-voting-scandal-30180672.html

That was end of April 2012. I don't recall any drastic measures taken, though.

Not too clear why the PM asserted that in case of clear violation on house rules the offender is to be punished by his own party, but have to admit I don't know the rules and penalties on this one.

Can't say as I recall any thing then either. I am fairly sure that no one was censured for it if indeed it was done. Knowing the actions of the PTP it is easy to believe it happened and nothing was done about it.

I liked what Yingluck said

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said all sides should check the facts before drawing a conclusion on the scandal.

If MPs unwittingly made a mistake, they should be cautioned, Yingluck said, adding that in the case of a clear violation of House rules, the Pheu Thai Party will punish them.

If not attending a parliament voting session and handing your card to another member is "unwittingly" that would explain a lot of what they have done.

Unwittingly didn't know it was wrong to empty the countries treasury to the point where it could not pay it's bills as a result people selling their equipment borrowing money to eat at ridicules interest rates and in some cases committing suicide. All because the Government promised them 120 billion baht that they could not pay.

It was of course an unwitting mistake. Or how about go buy a new car and further clog up the traffic and we will give you your tax money back. NOT But on the plus side they did manage to raise the minimum income along with the cost of living and household debt load.

It is OK though the PTP members showed a large gain in their holdings with out having to go into debt.

[rickirs]

Just plain stupid, even if given permission to use voting card by the cardholder, especially with the opposition.

[khunken]

Too true.

Now that Suthep has utterly failed and been ring-fenced in Lumpini Park there has been a great many jumping off the wagon.

(It seems the only real protestors that remain are the PDRC guards who have been ripping off the local prostitutes).

The support has swung behind the push for a judicial coup.

It too will fail and the anti-government forces will be in search of a new "wagon".

There is a reason why the entire international community does not support the methods of the movement to remove the government of Thailand.

Those inside Thailand that support the overthrow refuse to see the facts as they are - they are blind to the flaws of the cause they support.

They are forced to remain in denial and defend the indefensible in order to continue on with their illigitimate actions.

So irrespective of whichever faction of the "yellow" side an individual supports - denial of the flaws within is required as there so much that is wrong and so little that is right within the movement.

Your funny

Reds usually are because their statements are so crazy

The international comunity does not know what they want.. they support Ukraine anti government but not here.. why because Ukraine anti government is anti Russian and the current Thai government is quite pro USA. Its not about right or wrong but they support just those who share their views.

As far as I'm aware,

Not a single government in any nation on the entire globe supports the methods of the ongoing efforts to overthrow the Thai government.

Many governments have diplomatically voiced their disapproval of the movement

Further, not one of these governments is under any domestic pressure to alter their position by their respective parliamentary oppositions.

The disapproval is pretty much universal,across the board and clear cut.

What separates the Thai street mobs from the other active movements currently in the streets of various countries is that in Thailand the protest movement wants less democracy - not more. Thus - there is no support for them.

Protest movements are generally majorities getting rid of minorities - the Suthepsta's have got it ass backwards and that is why they are failing.

Every single one of your posts are off topic. The old 'but, but the Dems.....' syndrome used by those attempting to excuse yet more dishonest behaviour by the PTP mob.

Can I take it that you support this dishonesty which reveals what PTP think of one-man-one-vote?

[phantomfiddler]

These people should be charged and put away !

[HonestQuietBob]

Too true.

Now that Suthep has utterly failed and been ring-fenced in Lumpini Park there has been a great many jumping off the wagon.

(It seems the only real protestors that remain are the PDRC guards who have been ripping off the local prostitutes).

The support has swung behind the push for a judicial coup.

It too will fail and the anti-government forces will be in search of a new "wagon".

There is a reason why the entire international community does not support the methods of the movement to remove the government of Thailand.

Those inside Thailand that support the overthrow refuse to see the facts as they are - they are blind to the flaws of the cause they support.

They are forced to remain in denial and defend the indefensible in order to continue on with their illigitimate actions.

So irrespective of whichever faction of the "yellow" side an individual supports - denial of the flaws within is required as there so much that is wrong and so little that is right within the movement.

Your funny

Reds usually are because their statements are so crazy

The international comunity does not know what they want.. they support Ukraine anti government but not here.. why because Ukraine anti government is anti Russian and the current Thai government is quite pro USA. Its not about right or wrong but they support just those who share their views.

As far as I'm aware,

Not a single government in any nation on the entire globe supports the methods of the ongoing efforts to overthrow the Thai government.

Many governments have diplomatically voiced their disapproval of the movement

Further, not one of these governments is under any domestic pressure to alter their position by their respective parliamentary oppositions.

The disapproval is pretty much universal,across the board and clear cut.

What separates the Thai street mobs from the other active movements currently in the streets of various countries is that in Thailand the protest movement wants less democracy - not more. Thus - there is no support for them.

Protest movements are generally majorities getting rid of minorities - the Suthepsta's have got it ass backwards and that is why they are failing.

Every single one of your posts are off topic. The old 'but, but the Dems.....' syndrome used by those attempting to excuse yet more dishonest behaviour by the PTP mob.

Can I take it that you support this dishonesty which reveals what PTP think of one-man-one-vote?

Please refer to post #31

Thank you very much

[bigbamboo]

Even after all these multiple infractions have been duly recorded over a period of months, Pheu Thai still manages to defend the practice. It's little wonder that Pheu Thai is in the predicament it's in, being surrounded by legal challenges right and left. They simply don't recognize any infractions of the law whatsoever. And if this happened on multiple occasions, why aren't those bills similarly nullified ? Pheu Thai have absolutely no concept of what a parliament is all about.

They know. This is Thai politics. It is how Thai politics is played.

What gets me is some of the diplomats, who represent countries, are so poor at understanding Thai politics. Maybe they don't care, but any diplomat who thinks these days they can slide into Thailand for 3+ years and slide out onto another easy posting is mistaken. These days it takes more.

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There are three simple rules to being a diplomat in Thailand.

Rule one : Smile a lot.

Rule two : Don't get involved in what passes for politics in Thailand.

Rule three ; Obey all the rules.

Edited March 16, 2014 by bigbamboo

[daboyz1]

This is common practice here in the great state of Texas.

[SOTIRIOS]

....how about criminal charges.....???

[dickyknee]

This is common practice here in the great state of Texas.

ah the USA, the model of democracy.

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[ChrisY1]

My goodness.....they really are a bunch of dickheads.....all of them and both sides.....complete bunch of misfits that couldn't manage a knock-shop...let alone a country!!!

[Cuchulainn]

What else do you expect from scum?

[monkeycountry]

What is the US Ambassador saying about this type of democracy?

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Like prbkk and others of their ilk on here, this type of action is ok apparently in democratic redland...their silence speaks volumes.

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From what I have read of prbkk (and his ilk) they would not support these actions.

The biggest difference that I have noticed between the supporters of each side on these forums is the willingness of only the prbkk side to accept the flaws of those that they support whilst the Suthepsta's seem to think they are on the side of angels.

Blind fools if ever there were.

I guess accepting the flaws is an easier proposition for prbkk as his side only has about 1 or 2 for every 100 by the Suthepsta's.

With all your reading, how have you managed not to notice that most of the anti-government posters do not support Suthep himself, but simply support the anti government establishments effort to stop and expose the PTP

Too true.

Now that Suthep has utterly failed and been ring-fenced in Lumpini Park there has been a great many jumping off the wagon.

(It seems the only real protestors that remain are the PDRC guards who have been ripping off the local prostitutes).

The support has swung behind the push for a judicial coup.

It too will fail and the anti-government forces will be in search of a new "wagon".

There is a reason why the entire international community does not support the methods of the movement to remove the government of Thailand.

Those inside Thailand that support the overthrow refuse to see the facts as they are - they are blind to the flaws of the cause they support.

They are forced to remain in denial and defend the indefensible in order to continue on with their illigitimate actions.

So irrespective of whichever faction of the "yellow" side an individual supports - denial of the flaws within is required as there so much that is wrong and so little that is right within the movement.

Fortunately TV posts are dated, so try and look back at posts from last year, well before Suthep was "ring-fenced in lumpini park". You will quite a few, including many from me, which support the anti government establishment, but not suthep.

Feel free to ridicule all you want, but why corner yourself by stating things that can so easily be disproven if someone would bother to look back at old posts and quote them here? Fortunately for you I doubt anyone will bother, as there is little reward in embarassing an anonymous TV poster :-)

[djjamie]

When the PTP and their coalition parties have 300 seats (out of 500 seats) in parliament and they can't be bothered to muster the votes without committing voting fraud it is a true reflection of their contempt in the only principle of democracy they purport to respect and just plain lazy or stupid. No wonder this is the only principle of democracy they adhere too. They can manipulate it!!!

Repspect my vote??? In the words of a pattaya ladyboy "Respect my ass"!!!!

Hello everyone where is or are all those red democracy supporters defending THIS as the TRUE democracy. If you think voting for others is democracy - oh my god I want to stop the world and get off!

Democracy my rear end! (I have to be careful as I got banned for speaking the truth and calling someone an idiot...)

You won't find too many "red democracy supporters" on this topic, they are like hyenas looking for easy pickings. Fabio and friends are probably trolling other topics where it is easier to attack Suthep, Abhisit, yellow shirts, hi-sos, elites etc.

I would suggest that they are wise enough to not "defend the indefensible".

A skill a great many of your ilk on this forum are yet to learn.

Nahhhhh. I have already proven that one wrong..

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/710762-chonburi-hardcore-redshirt-leaders-home-bombed/?p=7559517

[diehard60]

To all of you that are bashing the PTP try reading the whole artical first. You might find out that it is not just the PTP but ALL parties have been doing this this. It is like standard procedure for them.

[kuthow]

To all of you that are bashing the PTP try reading the whole artical first. You might find out that it is not just the PTP but ALL parties have been doing this this. It is like standard procedure for them.

Have a re-read of the OP.

The MP's illegally voting were members of the Pheu Thai Party and a government coalition party MP.

That is NOT all parties, it's just Yingluck's party and her partners that are cheating, but, yes, that does appear to be standard practice for them.

[Mosha]

What is the US Ambassador saying about this type of democracy?

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Like prbkk and others of their ilk on here, this type of action is ok apparently in democratic redland...their silence speaks volumes.

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From what I have read of prbkk (and his ilk) they would not support these actions.

The biggest difference that I have noticed between the supporters of each side on these forums is the willingness of only the prbkk side to accept the flaws of those that they support whilst the Suthepsta's seem to think they are on the side of angels.

Blind fools if ever there were.

I guess accepting the flaws is an easier proposition for prbkk as his side only has about 1 or 2 for every 100 by the Suthepsta's.

Sounds like something prbkk would post !

... or, Man of Reason. Where is he ?

Prbkk and I disagree often.

Suthep and his supporters have been saying that democracy doesn't begin and end at the ballot box. This issue of one man multiple votes was brought up during the censor debate by the Democrats. This is before the US Ambassador openly supported the PTP's style of democracy. This is not democracy and I just don't see how diplomats from democratic countries can openly support this.

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Just a guess, but I think he meant HonestQuietBob

[JamesDean3]

Hey Vorachai - if your mate is on the taxpayers payroll he has to vote for himself - not go attend to his own biz on taxpayers time. If u don't understand that basic rule then <deleted> of parliament you freeloader :-)

Exactimo !

[Jonmarleesco]

Vorachai Hema, Pheu Thai's former MP for Samut Prakan, claimed no MP could possibly sit in the House for 24 hours non-stop. Since most of them sleep in the House, that is neither here nor there. But they are not elected to then either cast another MP's vote or to have another MP cast a vote for them. That would, by default, entitle the electorate to have their neighbours/friends/relatives cast a vote on their behalf, in a general election.

[Dogmatix]

I wonder why they bothered with the voting fraud when they had more than enough numbers to pass the bill. I suppose it was for fear of discipline by the party whips.

[Old Man River]

I wonder why they bothered with the voting fraud when they had more than enough numbers to pass the bill. I suppose it was for fear of discipline by the party whips.

Probably something they had got used to doing.

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[Wombat6]

What is the US Ambassador saying about this type of democracy?

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Who cares. I think every time the US meddles in other countries affairs, they get a bloody nose.. Their time as a world Policeman has passed.

[tomacht8]

This is corruption high end.

"I give you my voting card for 1 Million ok?"
Whery clean. No dirty farmer hands.

Nice shirts, suits and lovely watches.

One people = One vote?
Or 2 people = 8 votes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFe_6WtYC8U

Edited March 17, 2014 by tomacht8