I don't often post in this section but this topic concerns someone who reads the general section.

The way I was brought up was to never grass your friends and never hit a woman - two golden rules of life. I've proud to say I have never done so.

But, there are a couple of farang who I don't trust and they would certainly grass me up if they only knew anything about my past.

In fact they are definately no friends. Would it be right to grass them up.

One boasts about commiting a fairly serious crime in the UK - credit card fraud.

The other is claiming benefit in the UK, whilst working here.

Both of these crimes would be easily proved with a quick simple letter to the authorities.

One of these guys is very close to getting a punch on the nose - something just feels not right in grassing him up even though I detest the guy.

What would you do?

One boasts about commiting a fairly serious crime in the UK - credit card fraud.

The other is claiming benefit in the UK, whilst working here.

Yes grass them up.

What are you a man or a mouse??

credit card fraud costs everybody money in higher card charges , service charges , exchange rate commissions , interest rate charges. the card companies just increase their charges to decrease their exposure to fraud. the increased security that they have to put into place also costs money and it is the card holders who end up paying more.

reporting the crime is your public duty.

benefit fraud just takes money away from those who really do need the benefits , the old , the sick , schools etc. and it is the taxpayers , the ones who actually do work and pay tax that foot the bill.

an anonymous letter or two to the authorities , naming and shaming is well in order.

is your loyalty more to a couple of dishonest lowrent toerags , or more to the good and the honest of the world.

to me its no contest.

i am surprised that you even have a dilemma with this.

right beats wrong every time.

However their diastasteful their crimes - they have not committed any violent acts, so personally I would not grass on them. Violent crimes, criminal abuse, or crimes in which individuals may suffer (fraud etc) would be a different matter.

If I was you, I would disassociate myself from them and try to find more law abiding, better types of farang to mix with.

If they are such low lifes, they will alomost certainly get their "cumuppance" sooner or later in the LOS, and one day will probably wish they were back, doing time in England.

I appreciate my position is not particularly tenable, but that's the way I feel - there's quite enough "big Brother" police state mentality at the moment, without me adding to it. Where do you draw the line? Might as well report someone for jay walking.

I'd leave them be. Why inflame the situation?

You wouldn't want to be known as a grass in expat circles if it all comes back on you.

However their diastasteful their crimes - they have not committed any violent acts, so personally I would not grass on them. Violent crimes, criminal abuse, or crimes in which individuals may suffer (fraud etc) would be a different matter.

If I was you, I would disassociate myself from them and try to find more law abiding, better types of farang to mix with.

If they are such low lifes, they will alomost certainly get their "cumuppance" sooner or later in the LOS, and one day will probably wish they were back, doing time in England.

I appreciate my position is not particularly tenable, but that's the way I feel - there's quite enough "big Brother" police state mentality at the moment, without me adding to it. Where do you draw the line? Might as well report someone for jay walking.

I wouldn't rat on them unless they caused me a fair amount of personal grief.

Ruining people's lives should only be done in self-defence.

I wouldn't rat on them unless they caused me a fair amount of personal grief.

Ruining people's lives should only be done in self-defence. cool.gif

I think I agree with this answer the most. One of them is very near.

being labeled a grass will cost you many future friends you have yet to meet

At the end of the day, if you knock someone out, it can be forgotten as a heat of the moment thing.

A premeditated and thought out grassing isn't going to paint you in a very good light if it is known that you were behind it.

My advice, give him a belt, and then its done.

being labeled a grass will cost you many future friends you have yet to meet

I hadn't even considered the possible repercussions on the grasser.

What about if there was a number you could ring (like in the UK) and you could be 100% sure no-one would kinow who had done the grassing? Would that change your viewpoint?

For me I wouldn't do it, either way - not for this sort of crime.

Anonimity is one thing but would people here be able to put two and two together?

If they know there is bad blood between Neeranam and this bloke, then very possibly.

As I said, if you give someone a cuff, its soon forgotten about. If you grass on someone then it will not be forgotten in a hurry.

whether you shout it out or whisper it in someones ear it's still the same.

A grass is a grass !

whether you shout it out or whisper it in someones ear it's still the same.

A grass is a grass !

If that's the case, why go on about losing friends?

What about someone who has killed, say - a child in cold blood?

Still no grassing? Or would you still worry about losing friends?

whether you shout it out or whisper it in someones ear it's still the same.

A grass is a grass !

If that's the case, why go on about losing friends?

What about someone who has killed, say - a child in cold blood?

Still no grassing? Or would you still worry about losing friends?

He's not talking about a kiddie killer though is he

whether you shout it out or whisper it in someones ear it's still the same.

A grass is a grass !

If that's the case, why go on about losing friends?

What about someone who has killed, say - a child in cold blood?

Still no grassing? Or would you still worry about losing friends?

He's not talking about a kiddie killer though is he

No, but the point I was making is that it depends on the nature of the crime whether I would grass or not.

You said "a grass is a grass", but I would grass on a child killer, but I wouldn't grass on a benefit cheat, and neither standpoint has anything to do with whether or not people knew I was the grass.

unsure as to why you have any contact with them at all.

the peanut who is boasting about his misdeeds is not a smart criminal - sounds like the law will catch up to him sooner rather than later.

for the record - I wouldn't dob them in - unless of course they had intentionally done something to me or my kin.

Maybe we know the same guy, credit card fraud and owes the revenue office a lot of money. I figure it will eventually catch up with him and justice will be served. He has made enough of a mess of his life all be himself so I don't have to help him further even though he cheated me too.

What does that mean, to "grass"? I am unfamiliar with that term. Is it the same as ratting on someone or telling a person when someone else is doing something wrong?

What does that mean, to "grass"? I am unfamiliar with that term. Is it the same as ratting on someone or telling a person when someone else is doing something wrong?

yes... grass = rat out = Narc on

What does that mean, to "grass"? I am unfamiliar with that term. Is it the same as ratting on someone or telling a person when someone else is doing something wrong?

yes... grass = rat out = Narc on

Comes from the pommie slang:"snake in the grass"

What does that mean, to "grass"? I am unfamiliar with that term. Is it the same as ratting on someone or telling a person when someone else is doing something wrong?

yes... grass = rat out = Narc on

Comes from the pommie slang:"snake in the grass"

Started with 'to shop' someone, derived from the concept of the Coppers' shop (police station). Someone who habitually informed to the police became a shopper and rhyming slang produced a grasshopper which was then shortened to grass.

Stay out of it - not your business as the Thai(s) say. If it was something serious then I would say its your duty, but I don't think any of what you mentioned fits that description.

Write them off, and cut them out of your life, making sure they know why. You can then be doing something about it without having to worry about being labelled a grass. Ultimately it's up to you where your breaking point is for going to the authorities.

cv

I would certainly distance myself from them in any event.

While you may not be guilty of "aiding and abetting", if they are ever caught, it wouldn't look good for you back home if it got out that you knew about them all along and did nothing.

It certainly wouldn't help the reputation of the ex-pat community here either, if it were perceived that they knowingly allowed criminals to hide in their presence.

No one likes a stool pigeon and you have no idea what will be done about these guys if you do report them. If they figure out you are the one who sang they may come after you. Only report them if they have already become a huge problem. Try to handle your issues with them without involving the police or just stay away from them.

I don't often post in this section but this topic concerns someone who reads the general section.

The way I was brought up was to never grass your friends and never hit a woman - two golden rules of life. I've proud to say I have never done so.

But, there are a couple of farang who I don't trust and they would certainly grass me up if they only knew anything about my past.

In fact they are definately no friends. Would it be right to grass them up.

One boasts about commiting a fairly serious crime in the UK - credit card fraud.

The other is claiming benefit in the UK, whilst working here.

Both of these crimes would be easily proved with a quick simple letter to the authorities.

One of these guys is very close to getting a punch on the nose - something just feels not right in grassing him up even though I detest the guy.

What would you do?

I'd leave them be. Why inflame the situation?

You wouldn't want to be known as a grass in expat circles if it all comes back on you.

ProfFart; I WOULD agree. I DO agree. The Old Rules all come to mind, in Neeranam´s Situation.

Mind your own business. Look out for your own ass. Do not unto others what you would not have them do to you. What goes around comes around, perhaps, mostly.

HOWEVER, and this is a dilemma of a altered nature. Something that took place in a distant land that I know well.

Three friends, (names altered) Bob, Jack and Peter, all live in the same appartment complex. All are over fifty, and good friends with everybody in the village.

Bob is a regular travelling visitor, cool dude to hang out with.

Jack owns a restaurant in the village and is everybody´s best friend.

Peter cooks in various restaurants and helps a variety of local street urchins with books, study, etc...

All of them, like most of the rest of us, have an unspoken past. Some for serious things, no doubt, and most for stupid petty mistakes of youth.

Peter has held a cloud over his head, in this world of fear of peadophiles, that he has just managed to keep from breaking, by repeatedly and believably confiding in his friends that "NO, Never!". And so we, benefit of doubters, believe for two years.

Bob the traveller came back recently and stayed in their complex. >He overheard, VERY DISTINCTLY, the sounds of refusal of a 9 nine year old girl who was involved in a case and arrest of a man last year. Then he hears VERY DISTINCTLY, the sounds of intercourse taking place.

And finally, the door slam, Peter leave, And the little girl alone crying in a darkened room.

Bob talks to fellow resident and everybody´s friend, Jack. Jack claims to know nothing, but it is apparent that Jack does, in fact, know.

Jack is not involved directly, Neither is he protecting anybody´s crime. What he is doing is protecting his own ass, his restaurant, livelihood, ex wife and own child.

This to Bob, although he can understand it, Bob feels this crime goes beyond that. Bob was a father to a little girl he was never allowed to see, not once from birth.

.... and dutifully makes a few phone calls.

Peter know is being held in the Guate Hilton. (transferred quickly to the capital). He is indeed wanted in many countries for many things.

Peter would kill Bob iof their paths were to cross, with his bare hands. Bob did not hide or anonymise himself. In fact, he gave a passionate statement against his ex-friend.

I am 26, not over fifty, am still quite happy with woman my age (they keep getting better with age).

But they are all characters I{ve known and liked for almost two years now. Peter, of course has been crossed straight off christmas card list.

However, I´ve my own livelihood here to protect too.

As well as anonymity of my past.

So frankly, I do not know what I would have done, in either Bob´s or Jack´s shoes.

Any idea´s. Was any of them right, or wrong or is there a gray. Is there other input??

I don't often post in this section but this topic concerns someone who reads the general section.

The way I was brought up was to never grass your friends and never hit a woman - two golden rules of life. I've proud to say I have never done so.

But, there are a couple of farang who I don't trust and they would certainly grass me up if they only knew anything about my past.

In fact they are definately no friends. Would it be right to grass them up.

One boasts about commiting a fairly serious crime in the UK - credit card fraud.

The other is claiming benefit in the UK, whilst working here.

Both of these crimes would be easily proved with a quick simple letter to the authorities.

One of these guys is very close to getting a punch on the nose - something just feels not right in grassing him up even though I detest the guy.

What would you do?

I'd leave them be. Why inflame the situation?

You wouldn't want to be known as a grass in expat circles if it all comes back on you.

ProfFart; I WOULD agree. I DO agree. The Old Rules all come to mind, in Neeranam´s Situation.

Mind your own business. Look out for your own ass. Do not unto others what you would not have them do to you. What goes around comes around, perhaps, mostly.

HOWEVER, and this is a dilemma of a altered nature. Something that took place in a distant land that I know well.

Three friends, (names altered) Bob, Jack and Peter, all live in the same appartment complex. All are over fifty, and good friends with everybody in the village.

Bob is a regular travelling visitor, cool dude to hang out with.

Jack owns a restaurant in the village and is everybody´s best friend.

Peter cooks in various restaurants and helps a variety of local street urchins with books, study, etc...

All of them, like most of the rest of us, have an unspoken past. Some for serious things, no doubt, and most for stupid petty mistakes of youth.

Peter has held a cloud over his head, in this world of fear of peadophiles, that he has just managed to keep from breaking, by repeatedly and believably confiding in his friends that "NO, Never!". And so we, benefit of doubters, believe for two years.

Bob the traveller came back recently and stayed in their complex. >He overheard, VERY DISTINCTLY, the sounds of refusal of a 9 nine year old girl who was involved in a case and arrest of a man last year. Then he hears VERY DISTINCTLY, the sounds of intercourse taking place.

And finally, the door slam, Peter leave, And the little girl alone crying in a darkened room.

Bob talks to fellow resident and everybody´s friend, Jack. Jack claims to know nothing, but it is apparent that Jack does, in fact, know.

Jack is not involved directly, Neither is he protecting anybody´s crime. What he is doing is protecting his own ass, his restaurant, livelihood, ex wife and own child.

This to Bob, although he can understand it, Bob feels this crime goes beyond that. Bob was a father to a little girl he was never allowed to see, not once from birth.

.... and dutifully makes a few phone calls.

Peter know is being held in the Guate Hilton. (transferred quickly to the capital). He is indeed wanted in many countries for many things.

Peter would kill Bob iof their paths were to cross, with his bare hands. Bob did not hide or anonymise himself. In fact, he gave a passionate statement against his ex-friend.

I am 26, not over fifty, am still quite happy with woman my age (they keep getting better with age).

But they are all characters I{ve known and liked for almost two years now. Peter, of course has been crossed straight off christmas card list.

However, I´ve my own livelihood here to protect too.

As well as anonymity of my past.

So frankly, I do not know what I would have done, in either Bob´s or Jack´s shoes.

Any idea´s. Was any of them right, or wrong or is there a gray. Is there other input??

Well if you would stand back and do nothing in the case of a peadophile abusing a young child i would say you are as guilty as the peadophile.

How you could have any doubt as to the right thing to do in this instance is beyond belief and quite frankly sick. Shame on you.

Give them a slap if needs be, if you ever need to grass you'll know the time is right, like Noodles says above.

I don't think this is that time though.

redrus

Aye, fair nuff. Thyis example wasn´t my story, and I lived no where near them, so only saw them as my customers in my bar (kid´s don´t come into my bar much, and are not allowed in at night, but I and the village sort of saw it developing as it was being wrapped up (Ie: Cop cars everywhere and people in hanbdcuffs and stuff. And Undoubtebdly, yeah, DRUSSSSSSSSSS, I{d know if it was my moment to make that decision.

Aye, fair nuff. Thyis example wasn´t my story, and I lived no where near them, so only saw them as my customers in my bar (kid´s don´t come into my bar much, and are not allowed in at night, but I and the village sort of saw it developing as it was being wrapped up (Ie: Cop cars everywhere and people in hanbdcuffs and stuff. And Undoubtebdly, yeah, Daley, I{d know if it was my moment to make that decision.

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