I don't have to hate the guy to laugh that he got what he had coming to him served up in a super sized value lunch.

You can play the karma game all you want. Why should people not express their feelings? I'm not about to get bound up by dogma. I won't stuff my emotions and get colon cancer over a turd like Zarqawi.

A Google definition of karma: A major violation of another person that limits his choices, resulting in a compelling debt. Read more about karma. www.michaelteachings.com/glossary.html

Feel free to put forth what you will, but be cognizant of the fact that it will come back to you.

Dude your post attempts to limit my choices of expression. I can interpret your words as a heavy mumbo jumbo hand on my shoulder to silence me to suit yourself. You play a passive agressive game of 'do what you want but I'm telling you you're going to get it, but mind you not by my hand'. Dress it up anyway you want but persuasion is a selfish act and you're seeking to persuade others not to make fun of his death. There. There's my mumbo jumbo back to you.

Sorry if my statement seemed to imply karma, Aughie, but I'm not at all referring to karma, nor any other form of dogma.

I don't have a need to silence anyone, nor do I have the slightest desire to prevent you from expressing yourself one way or the other, nor would I ever suggest or even recommend the supression of anyone's emotions.

Understanding them, yes. Where they come from and the effects they have on your life. Comprehension doesn't limit your choices. It greatly expands your choices beyond the limited choices of what you have been taught. Is that so terrible?

I'm only having fun Tip. Here's an image of my little joke about explaining karma induces karma.

It's all loosely wrapped around the Google definition.

Time for me to take a little nap. Nitey nite everyone.

Is Tippaporn the only sane or compassionate poster in Bedlam?

Did your mother, father, priest or shaman not teach you any decency?

Tip is right; it's HATRED that many of you eat for three meals a day.

God bless the terrorists, and God bless the terrorists who kill the terrorists because they kill the terrorists who....

Love your enemies, so that you BE the children of God.

Sermon's over. Sounds like you guys are singing along with Peter Paul and Mary, in a perverse way, at the end of "The Great Mandella" - "He is dead now; we can kill now. And it's been this way for a thousand years."

P.S. Can you explain what makes your hatred any better than the terrorists' hatred?

Love and hate are two sides of the same coin. Hate all you want, it matters little to others. Perhaps it will give you drive. So, hating your enemy isn't wrong, it's disrespecting them that is. Your enemy will teach you more about yuorself than a friend ever would or could. So, hate him and perform a victory dance because you came (I am speaking subjectivly here) out the victor, but do not disrespect him. For he brought you to this point, he made you stronger.

So, in the case of Zarqawi, he fought he lost. He lived by the ssword and is now dead by it. There is nothing to mourn, only celebrate for our sword was sharper.

I'm only having fun Tip. Here's an image of my little joke about explaining karma induces karma.

It's all loosely wrapped around the Google definition.

Time for me to take a little nap. Nitey nite everyone.

Chawp mak mak, aughie.

I'm only having fun Tip. Here's an image of my little joke about explaining karma induces karma.

It's all loosely wrapped around the Google definition.

Time for me to take a little nap. Nitey nite everyone.

Chawp mak mak, aughie.

My carma ran over my dogma....

Love and hate are two sides of the same coin. Hate all you want, it matters little to others. Perhaps it will give you drive. So, hating your enemy isn't wrong, it's disrespecting them that is. Your enemy will teach you more about yuorself than a friend ever would or could. So, hate him and perform a victory dance because you came (I am speaking subjectivly here) out the victor, but do not disrespect him. For he brought you to this point, he made you stronger.

So, in the case of Zarqawi, he fought he lost. He lived by the ssword and is now dead by it. There is nothing to mourn, only celebrate for our sword was sharper.

Cheers to you, Bops. You're always admirably open for genuine, respectful and thoughtful dissussion. Ever a pleasure.

I'll agree with you on multiple counts, Bops. We live in a world of opposites and they are the flipsides of the same coin. And it is true that your enemies have much to teach. Considering those two points they can be your greatest friends.

Respect is something most believe must be earned. Is that true? I've learned that respect is unconditional and intrinsic. Is that true? If it's not obviously clear as to the reasons why then it's easy enough to put to the test. Try both and see which creates problems and which doesn't. There's no right or wrong to any of it, really, and it's only the judgment of it in terms of 'good' and 'bad' that tends to become mistaken as the core issue. It either works well or it doesn't. If it works it's 'good.' If it doesn't it's 'bad.'

Hatred doesn't work well at all. Again, try it and see what you get. You're guaranteed to get feedback. This world has a reflective nature. You throw something out there (you're ideas) and the world will reflect back (feedback) to you in the form of experience. You either like the experience or you don't. And either way the feedback serves the purpose of giving you information with which to make future choices.

Hatred can and does serve as impetus, as drive to create something much more preferred. But it's the vision of the preferred that then requires the attention, and not the hatred which inspired the vision.

While there's more I'd like to offer I'll try to keep my posts brief to at least avoid distractions over my long-windedness.

Love and hate are two sides of the same coin. Hate all you want, it matters little to others. Perhaps it will give you drive. So, hating your enemy isn't wrong, it's disrespecting them that is. Your enemy will teach you more about yuorself than a friend ever would or could. So, hate him and perform a victory dance because you came (I am speaking subjectivly here) out the victor, but do not disrespect him. For he brought you to this point, he made you stronger.

So, in the case of Zarqawi, he fought he lost. He lived by the ssword and is now dead by it. There is nothing to mourn, only celebrate for our sword was sharper.

Cheers to you, Bops. You're always admirably open for genuine, respectful and thoughtful dissussion. Ever a pleasure.

I'll agree with you on multiple counts, Bops. We live in a world of opposites and they are the flipsides of the same coin. And it is true that your enemies have much to teach. Considering those two points they can be your greatest friends.

Respect is something most believe must be earned. Is that true? I've learned that respect is unconditional and intrinsic. Is that true? If it's not obviously clear as to the reasons why then it's easy enough to put to the test. Try both and see which creates problems and which doesn't. There's no right or wrong to any of it, really, and it's only the judgment of it in terms of 'good' and 'bad' that tends to become mistaken as the core issue. It either works well or it doesn't. If it works it's 'good.' If it doesn't it's 'bad.'

Respect given is respect earned. Respect is not a measure of the person it is given to, but rather the person that is giving it. Bow your head to the man who wishes your death, it shows lack of fear and self-control. It shows that you are Chun-Tze and win or lose Honor was a trait of yours. If you must die at the hands of your enemy do so with Honor, if your enemy must die by your hand, you do so with Honor. That is what separates us from beasts.

Hatred doesn't work well at all. Again, try it and see what you get. You're guaranteed to get feedback. This world has a reflective nature. You throw something out there (you're ideas) and the world will reflect back (feedback) to you in the form of experience. You either like the experience or you don't. And either way the feedback serves the purpose of giving you information with which to make future choices.

When I was a little boy I made friends with an old man. His name was Ernie. Ernie was a wise man and I was always surprised that he would use his time to talk to an annoying kid with too many questions. Ernie told me that if someone hates you, take is as a compliment. The fact that they waste so much energy on you through their hateful thoughts means that you are special. You got to them, you are something they fear, or someone they are jealous of. The fact they give out their hate so freely means you are a threat to them, and thus you have the power. Power they do not have because they gave it to you through their hate. Ernie was in his late 60's when I knew him. He was a crosswalk guard that I spoke to before and after school. Ernie was a Black American. When he talked about hate, I listened.

Hatred can and does serve as impetus, as drive to create something much more preferred. But it's the vision of the preferred that then requires the attention, and not the hatred which inspired the vision.

Anger is a gift, it is pure and it is a motivator. Anger can be controlled and channeled. hatred is a corrupt form of anger and will consume it's host. Anger is tool, hatred is a weakness, a poison.

While there's more I'd like to offer I'll try to keep my posts brief to at least avoid distractions over my long-windedness.

Is Tippaporn the only sane or compassionate poster in Bedlam?

Did your mother, father, priest or shaman not teach you any decency?

Tip is right; it's HATRED that many of you eat for three meals a day.

God bless the terrorists, and God bless the terrorists who kill the terrorists because they kill the terrorists who....

Love your enemies, so that you BE the children of God.

Sermon's over. Sounds like you guys are singing along with Peter Paul and Mary, in a perverse way, at the end of "The Great Mandella" - "He is dead now; we can kill now. And it's been this way for a thousand years."

P.S. Can you explain what makes your hatred any better than the terrorists' hatred?

Love and hate are two sides of the same coin. Hate all you want, it matters little to others. Perhaps it will give you drive. So, hating your enemy isn't wrong, it's disrespecting them that is. Your enemy will teach you more about yuorself than a friend ever would or could. So, hate him and perform a victory dance because you came (I am speaking subjectivly here) out the victor, but do not disrespect him. For he brought you to this point, he made you stronger.

So, in the case of Zarqawi, he fought he lost. He lived by the ssword and is now dead by it. There is nothing to mourn, only celebrate for our sword was sharper.

Not true.

Ho Chi Minh was a enemy that deserved respect. Zarcawi was an inept, blood-thirsty pig.

May he rot in hel_l!

Is Tippaporn the only sane or compassionate poster in Bedlam?

Did your mother, father, priest or shaman not teach you any decency?

Tip is right; it's HATRED that many of you eat for three meals a day.

God bless the terrorists, and God bless the terrorists who kill the terrorists because they kill the terrorists who....

Love your enemies, so that you BE the children of God.

Sermon's over. Sounds like you guys are singing along with Peter Paul and Mary, in a perverse way, at the end of "The Great Mandella" - "He is dead now; we can kill now. And it's been this way for a thousand years."

P.S. Can you explain what makes your hatred any better than the terrorists' hatred?

Love and hate are two sides of the same coin. Hate all you want, it matters little to others. Perhaps it will give you drive. So, hating your enemy isn't wrong, it's disrespecting them that is. Your enemy will teach you more about yuorself than a friend ever would or could. So, hate him and perform a victory dance because you came (I am speaking subjectivly here) out the victor, but do not disrespect him. For he brought you to this point, he made you stronger.

So, in the case of Zarqawi, he fought he lost. He lived by the ssword and is now dead by it. There is nothing to mourn, only celebrate for our sword was sharper.

Not true.

Ho Chi Minh was a enemy that deserved respect. Zarcawi was an inept, blood-thirsty pig.

May he rot in hel_l!

Read my last post. Enemy is enemy, he just wasn't a good one.

To the guys who are knocking others for laughing at this justice done to this vile MF; would you be so argumentative and bloody down right pc if it had been your father, brother, son that had had their head sliced off by this complete and utter, evil piece of <deleted>? No.

To the guys who are knocking others for laughing at this justice done to this vile MF; would you be so argumentative and bloody down right pc if it had been your father, brother, son that had had their head sliced off by this complete and utter, evil piece of <deleted>? No.

I'm not knocking others, jackr. People think thoughts but the thoughts are not the people. People are people. Thoughts are thoughts. The two are not the same thing. Yet people commonly and erroneously identify themselves with their thoughts to the point where they believe that they are their thoughts. Makes for a near impossible situation when trying to simply discuss ideas from an emotionally detached position.

The root of the conflict in this thread parallels greatly the unquestioning nature of so many religions in that people have reached a point with their beliefs where they absolutely refuse to question the validity of what they believe any longer. And so the resistance from many posters on this thread to allow themselves even the slightest mental leeway in even hearing perspectives other than their own is mind boggling. It is an attitude of conviction that there is nothing more to learn or to understand.

Just as my questioning and perspectives here are instantly shunned, even frowned upon I can well imagine, can anyone understand how the same would hold true for people in Zarqawi's camp? Mental rigor mortis exists on both sides of the fence. An utter refusal to understand anything other than what is already thought to be understood. Complete conviction on the part of both factions that their respective perspectives are unquestionly, unerringly correct. Neither side has any longer the slightest willingness to reconsider the validity of their beliefs and ideologies. What other end result can be expected but the slaughter of those who disagree?

My aim here is not to bash anyone. I undertand only too well the many reasons why not to. My only interest in posting in this thread is to stimulate others to truly question what they believe. Is that so terrible?

As I see it, this bears repeating. At least you all know where my heart is.

I see here on this thread and others like it only gleeful, hate inspired revelry over another's justified death, and little discussion towards any kind of comprehension regarding the nature of who we are so that we may make genuine and lasting strides, as individuals and as a race, in manifesting a world that reflects our best and most cherished human aspects.

P.S. Can you explain what makes your hatred any better than the terrorists' hatred?

If you follow the rhetoric used by many nations and the leaders of those nations over the years, it is quite easy to explain.

"God is on our side"

That's it.

As long as you believe your God is on your side, it's easy to explain away all sorts of cruelty and hatred.

Just ask history over the past couple of thousand years. How much hatred and cruelty (and terror, misery, hardship, torture, ect) were the direct result of religion ?

And people wonder why I don't believe in God.

I see here on this thread and others like it only gleeful, hate inspired revelry over another's justified death, and little discussion towards any kind of comprehension regarding the nature of who we are so that we may make genuine and lasting strides, as individuals and as a race, in manifesting a world that reflects our best and most cherished human aspects.

We can not understand the nature of evil without becoming part of it.

Trying to understand it, simply makes it easier for those who worship it to manipulate others with lies. They have no "reasons"; They have rationalizations.

Charles Manson didn't kill all those people for a purpose - although he offered his disciples one. He killed innocent people because he wanted chaos. He wanted power. He wanted death.

Zarcawi was just Muslim version of Manson. A serial killer with a better line of bull-sh*t.

Don't waste any tears on human garbage. He was an worthless, evil piece of sh*t!

A witness is claiming Zaqawi was alive when found, but was removed from an ambulance and beaten to death by American soldiers.

I guess that is something that is possible, or designed to discredit the USA.

A witness is claiming Zaqawi was alive when found, but was removed from an ambulance and beaten to death by American soldiers.

I guess that is something that is possible, or designed to discredit the USA.

That would be a real shame.

Where is the fingers crossed emoticon?

I see here on this thread and others like it only gleeful, hate inspired revelry over another's justified death, and little discussion towards any kind of comprehension regarding the nature of who we are so that we may make genuine and lasting strides, as individuals and as a race, in manifesting a world that reflects our best and most cherished human aspects.

We can not understand the nature of evil without becoming part of it.

Trying to understand it, simply makes it easier for those who worship it to manipulate others with lies. They have no "reasons"; They have rationalizations.

Charles Manson didn't kill all those people for a purpose - although he offered his disciples one. He killed innocent people because he wanted chaos. He wanted power. He wanted death.

Zarcawi was just Muslim version of Manson. A serial killer with a better line of bull-sh*t.

Don't waste any tears on human garbage. He was an worthless, evil piece of sh*t!

Evil is an interpretation, not a fact, UG. There isn't a soul out there who could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt it's existence. Yet evil is a powerful concept to those who would be willing to use it for their own argument's sake. It is purported to be fact and anyone who disagrees with that 'fact' is open to ridicule and having their sanity questioned. Zarqawi obviously believed in evil, too. And just as you so fervently believe as fact that Zarqawi is evil those who share his ideology would argue as well that it is a plain fact, far, far beyond questioning, that the west is evil.

It is a bit humourous to consider the fact that, while there are definite differences in ideologies between the west and the wayward Islamic faction there exist unmistakable parallels and similarities of thought which neither camp has any awareness of. Hate, injustice, righteousness and powerlessness are a few of the more conspicuous ideas that both factions subscribe to, but play out in differing roles. Does that constitute any type of attraction?

I like you, UG, and the I feel the same sentiment towards the great majority of posters on TV, so don't take any of the above as a personal attack on your person. I'm merely game to expose the fallicies and logical shortcomings of poor ideas that, from my understanding, are the true culprits in the production of this world drama. Apart from that I must admit that I care little for which way anyone's wind blows.

Hi, Boonie.

Quick post before bedtime....

Someone asked if I'd feel the same way if it was my loved one or friend who was killed by terrorists. Well, unless the killers of Tom Fox, an American Quaker and peace activist, were funded by CIA Black Operatives, a friend of mine was, indeed, killed by terrorists in Iraq this year. I did the same work Tom Fox did, for the same organization. I love Tom Fox's killers, and am required to love my enemies. If you're not a Christian, maybe you're not required to love your enemies. Of course, I often disobey Jesus, but when you volunteer to serve unarmed, in a conflict zone, for Christ, you're ready to die, without striking back.

I'm no better than the next sinner, but I hope I'm obedient to my LORD. This wasn't meant as a sermon, just a reply to an enquiry.

Good night. Say a prayer for your enemies!!

To the guys who are knocking others for laughing at this justice done to this vile MF; would you be so argumentative and bloody down right pc if it had been your father, brother, son that had had their head sliced off by this complete and utter, evil piece of <deleted>? No.

You are a fool to think to know what is in the mind of any one person at any time and after any event. PC, these ideas expressed are as old as the violence itself. Humans have attempted many way over the years to rationalize violence. I suggest you find your own means of doing so and leave others to theirs. I already have my answers.

I'd do a dance on his body if I could. Humans deserve respect, but this lad was no human.

I'd do a dance on his body if I could. Humans deserve respect, but this lad was no human.

Had you more understanding, Brit, you won't dare consider the idea.

Good night. Say a prayer for your enemies!!

That's right Blondie.

Hold your friends close but your enemies even closer?

Maybe not what you meant...my bad.

Good night. Say a prayer for your enemies!!

That's right Blondie.

Hold your friends close but your enemies even closer?

Maybe not what you meant...my bad.

Wow, you really are holding yourself in check, Boon. That was so mild I actually yawned while reading it.

Evil is an interpretation, not a fact, UG. There isn't a soul out there who could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt it's existence.

There is no such thing as evil? You are wrong.

"Interpret" these guys. They are just terrorists who don't bother with (political) excuses.

Serial Killers

New: Night Stalker by David Lohr. (11/05/03)

Richard Ramirez was a spineless, gutless punk who terrorized Los Angeles for five months in 1985. His frenzied nighttime murder spree of random targets was as senseless and pointless as his life.

Richard Speck by David Lohr. (08/20/03)

Speck's murders of eight young women -- all in nurse's training and rooming together in a quiet apartment house on Chicago's Southside -- stands as one of the most horrific and shocking crimes in U.S. history. During the mayhem of the killings, a ninth student nurse wedged herself under a bed and went undetected. Her description of the intruder with the "Born to Raise hel_l" tattoo on his arm, led to Speck's capture. Her testimony at trial got him the death sentence. Murdering women was nothing new to Richard Speck. He had done it often before.

Ted Bundy: The Poster Boy of Serial Killers by David Lohr. (10/06/02)

Ted Bundy didn't have it all but he had most of it: good looks, charm, smarts, and ambition. He could have been anything he wanted to be. Instead he became the poster boy for serial killers, killing as many as 40 young women and girls as young as 12 years old during a four-year rampage in the mid 1970s. He was so mainstream that the Washington State Republican Party hired him, so cunning that twice he escaped from jail, and so dashing a figure that women sent marriage proposals to him on death row.

Jack the Ripper’s Victims by Denise M. Clark. Jack the Ripper lives in lore, an icon of butchery, the most infamous murderer in history. But what of his hapless victims? Who were they?

The Serial Killer the Cops Ignored by Jason Lapeyre. Serial killers are among the most reckless of murderers. Their need to keep killing far outweighs their need to be cunning or discreet. What allows many serial killers to keep killing is that their carelessness is dwarfed by police and investigative incompetence. The great majority of serial killers, like John Wayne Gacy, are well known to the police as violent sexual offenders long before their murders finally catch up with them. Such is the case of Henry Louis Wallace, a black serial killer who killed young black women the police just didn't seem to care about.

Boy Killer: John Wayne Gacy by David Lohr. Serial killer John Wayne Gacy was a born salesman with a natural charm. Kids loved him, parents trusted him, First Lady Rosalyn Carter posed in a picture with him. All the while, over a seven-year period, he sexually assaulted and murdered 33 teenage boys and young men, burying 28 of them under his house and garage in a Chicago suburb.

The Molalla Forest Killer by David Lohr. For serial killers, prostitutes make easy targets. Dayton Leroy Rogers bound and stabbed to death at least eight of them before his rampage ran its course.

America’s First Known Serial Killers: The Harps, Big and Little by Doris Lane. The first known serial killers in American history were the Harp boys. During the years of the Revolutionary War, the two cousins went on an indiscriminate killing rampage, killing anyone who got in their way. They killed infants, including their own, children, women and numerous men. They killed for the sake of killing.

Randy Kraft: The Southern California Strangler by J. J. Maloney. The reporter who coined the phrase "Freeway Killer," sets the record straight about why serial-killer Randy Kraft should not be confused with William Bonin.

Henry Lee Lucas is frequently touted as the ultimate serial killer, because he ultimately claimed to have killed more than 600 people.

One of the most horrific serial killers of modern times was William Bonin, a/k/a the Freeway Killer.

Evil is like beauty, it's in the eye of the beholder. Many thought the Church was doing good when it burned women for witches alive. Or when they tortured Jews to make them convert. Zarqawi though he was doing good, and some agree with him. Some think the US is doing good, and some agree with us. Sometimes to do good, one must first do evil. Other times evil comes for doing good.

It's all point of view, which is why the good guys will never be that good and the bad guys will always get some sympathy.

Evil is like beauty, it's in the eye of the beholder.

It's all point of view, which is why the good guys will never be that good and the bad guys will always get some sympathy.

I'm sure that Charles Ng and Leonard Lake will be happy to hear that.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers.../ng/call_1.html

Of course, there is something evil inside every person, including a "saint" like Mother Teresa. And, as the Quakers like to say, "There is something of God in every person."

When we demonize our enemy, we blind ourselves to the bit of God that is in that person.

Good night. Say a prayer for your enemies!!

That's right Blondie.

Hold your friends close but your enemies even closer?

Maybe not what you meant...my bad.

Wow, you really are holding yourself in check, Boon. That was so mild I actually yawned while reading it.

I'll try to spice 'em up a bit more...but then cv & p1p will be all over me again...

Of course, there is something evil inside every person, including a "saint" like Mother Teresa. And, as the Quakers like to say, "There is something of God in every person."

When we demonize our enemy, we blind ourselves to the bit of God that is in that person.

Kill them ALL and let God sort them out!