PM asked to step down

[pmugghc]

Thailand needs a compromise solution. At least Abhisit put a proposal on the table. It's obviously not perfect but neither is it the disaster that many reds here argue. Time is running out, we'll have a lot more unrest and probable violence unless someone come up with a better proposal.

How is it a proposal for christ sake. It is exactly what the PDRC have been saying for the past 6 months which has been laughed at as both unrealistic and illegal under their beloved constitution.

You really think this was a proper proposal by Abhisit!?? He is just trying to justify the Democrats non participation in the election. They knew full well it was a joke proposal!

If it's exactly what the PDRC has been saying then why is the PDRC rejecting the proposal?

You say it's not even a proper proposal, so why is the PTP saying they are studying the proposal?

Edited May 4, 2014 by pmugghc

[smutcakes]

Thailand needs a compromise solution. At least Abhisit put a proposal on the table. It's obviously not perfect but neither is it the disaster that many reds here argue. Time is running out, we'll have a lot more unrest and probable violence unless someone come up with a better proposal.

How is it a proposal for christ sake. It is exactly what the PDRC have been saying for the past 6 months which has been laughed at as both unrealistic and illegal under their beloved constitution.

You really think this was a proper proposal by Abhisit!?? He is just trying to justify the Democrats non participation in the election. They knew full well it was a joke proposal!

If it's exactly what the PDRC has been saying then why is the PDRC rejecting the proposal?

You say it's not even a proper proposal, so why is the PTP saying they are studying the proposal?

The PDRC are playing games. You, me and every other person knows that the PDRC and the Democrats are closely aligned, however they want to try and disguise that or try and cloud it. It makes no difference if they like or dislike it, as they know its complete rubbish.

The PTP will study it to portray that they are seriously considering it. If they out of hand dismissed it, reactionaries like you would be the first on here saying that they won't negotiate, wont listen etc etc

[The Deerhunter]

I do not comment,but she is dearly loved around here.

In country 65 klicks north of CM.

No surprises there. She is the golden daughter of the CM Amart.

[WoopyDoo]

I do not comment,but she is dearly loved around here.

In country 65 klicks north of CM.

No surprises there. She is the golden daughter of the CM Amart.

And Chiang Mai is NOT Thailand either.

[WoopyDoo]

I do not comment,but she is dearly loved around here.

In country 65 klicks north of CM.

No surprises there. She is the golden daughter of the CM Amart.

And Chiang Mai is NOT Thailand either.

[rubl]

Thailand needs a compromise solution. At least Abhisit put a proposal on the table. It's obviously not perfect but neither is it the disaster that many reds here argue. Time is running out, we'll have a lot more unrest and probable violence unless someone come up with a better proposal.

How is it a proposal for christ sake. It is exactly what the PDRC have been saying for the past 6 months which has been laughed at as both unrealistic and illegal under their beloved constitution.

You really think this was a proper proposal by Abhisit!?? He is just trying to justify the Democrats non participation in the election. They knew full well it was a joke proposal!

If it's exactly what the PDRC has been saying then why is the PDRC rejecting the proposal?

You say it's not even a proper proposal, so why is the PTP saying they are studying the proposal?

The PDRC are playing games. You, me and every other person knows that the PDRC and the Democrats are closely aligned, however they want to try and disguise that or try and cloud it. It makes no difference if they like or dislike it, as they know its complete rubbish.

The PTP will study it to portray that they are seriously considering it. If they out of hand dismissed it, reactionaries like you would be the first on here saying that they won't negotiate, wont listen etc etc

Playing games and delaying and obfuscating seems a Pheu Thai treat some like to accuse the others of.

Didn't some caretaker cabinet members already reject the proposal as unconstitutional and illegal? Pheu Thai study to portray seriousness?

So, pray tell, who's playing games?

[bigbamboo]

I'm a little concerned for Yingluck given the last time she stepped down in public she had the freakiest foot injury ever.

[Tatsujin]

Pheu Thai willing to listen to Abhisit’s proposal

BANGKOK, 4 May 2014 (NNT) – The ruling Pheu Thai Party says it is willing to hear from Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva about his political roadmap, which is aimed at ending the ongoing political conflict.

In response to Mr. Abhisit’s nine-point political roadmap, Pheu Thai Deputy Spokesperson Anusorn Aimsaard said the Pheu Thai Party would be willing to study Mr. Abhisit’s proposal as long as it did not breach the Constitution, adding that the party would be supportive if Mr. Abhisit’s roadmap was really meant to solve the ongoing political unrest in the country.

However, he said that the Pheu Thai Party would announce whether or not it would take Mr. Abhisit’s advice after a thorough study.

The roadmap proposed by the Opposition party leader suggests that Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra resign and that the election be postponed in order to avoid the possibility of future violence and a military coup d’etat. The proposal also calls for a neutral interim government, which will be in charge of a political reform.

According to Mr. Abhisit’s political roadmap, the reform process should take about 18 months while the election should be organized within 150-180 days upon the completion of the reform.

-- NNT 2014-05-04

I'm getting confused (yes, I know before you say it, it's not hard to do) . . . but up until this article/statement, haven't ALL PT MP's and the party itself dismissed Abhisit's proposal out of hand? There's been a raft of PT MP's making statements dismissing his proposal. What's changed for them now to consider it? Are they even (PT I am referring to) talking to each other or have some form of cohesive "mission" and or being on the same page for once?

[Tatsujin]

I do not comment,but she is dearly loved around here.

In country 65 klicks north of CM.

No surprises there. She is the golden daughter of the CM Amart.

And Chiang Mai is NOT Thailand either.

Not yet, but some people would love to see it as the new capital of their own independent fantasyland country . . . I mean "republic".

[h90]

This is the plan.

Just give power to Suthep and the PDRC because they are poo dee and will do the right thing?

Has anyone ever heard anything quite so stupid in all their life?

So, where did k. Abhisit say to hand over power to k. Suthep and the PDRC ?

He didn't. He won't.

3) The National Reform Network and the People's Democratic Reform Committee must draft a master plan of reforms within 30 days.

yes he did he mentioned his fascist mates the PDRC and the NRN and EXCLUDED all others so adds up to the same thing

I am no native English speaker but "draft a master plan" means for me that they have to state exactly what they want, it does not say that they get it or that they are the decision maker.

And for the "fascist": Adding fascist, nazi, communist, racist randomly in a discussion isn't really helpful

[Thaiisnotrequired]

Curious that we havnt heard any comment from YL on this proposal yet.

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It gets curiouser and curiouser. How doth I buy a Burberry tail when in CM?

[h90]

Thailand needs a compromise solution. At least Abhisit put a proposal on the table. It's obviously not perfect but neither is it the disaster that many reds here argue. Time is running out, we'll have a lot more unrest and probable violence unless someone come up with a better proposal.

No compromises are the reason where Thailand has these problems. Thailand need strong anti corruption anti vote buying laws not any half solutions and continue like before....

[ikke]

Why not hand the power to a group of dangerous, corrupt fascists that have strangled the country for the past 6 months because the poor little things could never be voted into power democratically.

You've been reading too many comic books. PTP strangled the country over the last 3 years before your FASCISTS existed.

It seems you don't have any clue about business and economy.

Thailand economy was quite stable during the last 3 year and investors did like the politic stability and so invested huge amount in the industry .

NOW since YOUR fascist is bringing the politics down and is advocating dictatorship, the investors are pulling back and economy is falling fast.

So if if one is reading comic books it must be you !

[siampolee]

Do in reality any of groups and individuals here and abroad involved in the current matters actually desire change that may affect their personal gravy train? Somehow I doubt it.

There are certainly sections of the proposals that are worrying to those intent on serving their own personal interests as opposed to serving both Thailand and its peoples.

Certainly though it is refreshing to read that the deputy leader of the P.T.P. is it seems willing that the party should actually study the proposals as opposed to rejecting out of hand with nary a look at them or a thought about them.

Remember they are but ''PROPOSALS'', thus they should be considered the ground breaking foundation work for a somewhat more robust reform system.

To quote Sir Winston Churchill's words ''better to talk jaw to jaw than have war,” This nation (Thailand) and its peoples are in a state of flux, which if it goes on for much longer could result in far more serious civil disorder than we are currently seeing and experiencing.,

We are all well aware that certain sections of the political movements have been promoting vigorously the ideal of secession and civil disorder.

Do we really wish to see Thailand travelling down the same violence ridden road that we are currently seeing in the Ukraine twixt the pro and anti Russian movements?

Not too difficult to substitute the current pro government movement and the P.R.D.C. for the pro and the anti Russian groups in the Ukraine is it?

​It is said that the tongue is the worlds most dangerous thing ''words once spoken cannot be recalled.''

However in the current situation I (and I am sure I am not alone in my thoughts either) would prefer words over ordinance or any other instruments blunt or otherwise that can and do and will inflict fatal injuries upon the people of Thailand and thus subsequently Thailand itself.

Again I quote,....... better to talk jaw to jaw than have war,”

Edited May 4, 2014 by siampolee

[jayboy]

Don't be silly. The plan is

1- Elected PM needs to leave.

2- A "god person" (aka an hysterical royalist) is appointed

3- End of story

The plan is to make the temporary gvt lasting until something important enough happens to postpone any political life in the country for years. Thus the temporary gvt will have at least 3 years to organize the new constitution which will have nothing to do with Democracy.

There is a precise and analytical discussion of the Abhisit proposals on the Bangkok Pundit blog.The tone is cool and forensic, devoid of emotional posturing and all the more effective for that.The conclusions are devastating.

And we all know how neutral and nonpartisan the Bangkok Pundit is.

Since when is it necessary to be neutral and nonpartisan when matters of principle are concerned?

If you wish to be constructive rather than make inane comments, you would specifically address the arguments that Bangkok Pundit has made, ideally in the same forensic intelligent way as the original.Then there might be a basis for a discussion.But of course that will never happen.

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[Thaddeus]

However, he said that the Pheu Thai Party would announce whether or not it would take Mr. Abhisit’s advice after a thorough study.

Even if it looks like PTP are warming to the idea, one quick Skype call from Dubai will change their minds.

[rubl]

Don't be silly. The plan is

1- Elected PM needs to leave.

2- A "god person" (aka an hysterical royalist) is appointed

3- End of story

The plan is to make the temporary gvt lasting until something important enough happens to postpone any political life in the country for years. Thus the temporary gvt will have at least 3 years to organize the new constitution which will have nothing to do with Democracy.

There is a precise and analytical discussion of the Abhisit proposals on the Bangkok Pundit blog.The tone is cool and forensic, devoid of emotional posturing and all the more effective for that.The conclusions are devastating.

And we all know how neutral and nonpartisan the Bangkok Pundit is.

Since when is it necessary to be neutral and nonpartisan when matters of principle are concerned?

If you wish to be constructive rather than make inane comments, you would specifically address the arguments that Bangkok Pundit has made, ideally in the same forensic intelligent way as the original.Then there might be a basis for a discussion.But of course that will never happen.

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Correct, matters of principles touch upon what someone strongly feels about.

Mind you, arguments coming from a non-neutral, partisan position tend to be coloured by emotions rather than by investigative powers and intelligence. Objectiveness gets lost easily from such a partisan position.

[givenall]

PM asked to step down

Chanon Wongsatayanont,

Kornchanok Raksaseri

The Sunday Nation

BANGKOK: -- Abhisit urges Yingluck, Cabinet to quit before court verdict; outlines proposal

Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva, unveiling his plan to bring the country out of the political impasse, yesterday asked Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and her Cabinet to resign before a Constitutional Court ruling.

The first of the 10 steps proposed in his plan is that the election tentatively set for July 20 must be delayed.

"All Yingluck has to answer is whether she can step back from power for five to six months," Abhisit said, referring to the time before the next election would take place.

The Cabinet's resignation would pave the way for an unelected interim government to be in charge while civil society, including the Reform Now Network and the People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), jointly work on guidelines and the plan for national reforms.

The interim government would run the country and solve immediate problems but would not have a mandate to pass laws because there would be no elected House of Representa-tives. During this period, no politicians would be involved in either the reform council or the country's administration, Abhisit said.

In the meantime, the Election Commission (EC) would work on amending related laws and regulations to make the election free and fair, he said. It might include regulations on election campaigns, dealing with electoral fraud and breaking election campaign promises.

In doing this, political parties that run in the next poll must agree to push for upcoming national reforms.

Only after a referendum on the reforms would an election to select another interim government be held, according to his plan. With a House of Representatives elected, laws could be amended to implement the reforms, as approved by the referendum. However, the interim government's term would last only for a year.

Abhisit said he would submit his details of his proposal to Yingluck and PDRC leader Suthep Thaug-suban on Tuesday.

He wanted an answer from Yingluck before the Constitutional Court delivers its ruling on her status in relation to the transfer of National Security Council chief Thawil Pliensri.

"If the government announces an election [by issuing the Royal Decree for the election on July 20], I will take that as the answer [for no].

"But if the government sees this plan as interesting - not necessarily accepting it - it must come and make it happen," he said.

"The main principle to get the new government to replace the current one is that it must be a government that comes from the consent [of the people involved], not being forced by the situation or anything."

Earlier, Abhisit announced that he would not take part in the next election if his plan was accepted, but his party would cooperate by running in the poll.

"If the government doesn't accept, the same thing will continue. No one can answer what will happen next," he said.

A Democrat spokesman said previously that the party may boycott the election if Abhisit's proposal was not accepted.

Abhisit insisted that his plan was completely legal. It upheld the Constitution and democratic principles.

He said his plan was different from the PDRC's reform proposal in that the unelected interim government would have no authority to amend laws as that mandate belonged only to the elected House of Representatives, while the PDRC's People's Council would be a legislative organisation.

He did not elaborate on how the unelected interim government would be set up, only saying that it would be under the mandate of the Senate Speaker, the head of the remaining legislative institution at the moment.

He said the red shirts would not lose anything except the Yingluck government having to take a break before the next election.

As Thai citizens, they could also take part in filing opinions for national reform.

"I'm aware that not everyone will be happy with this proposal, but I think it will satisfy all sides to a degree," Abhisit said.

He believes that the government will be satisfied with the eventual election and the PDRC will be happy with the opportunity to reform.

-- The Nation 2014-05-04

He was the head of government and did nothing. What's changed now

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[Morch]

Abhisit's proposal looks entirely reasonable. And it will look even more reasonable six months from now, after its long been rejected. It's a way out of the current dilemma. It actually concedes a Yingluck Pheu Thai victory in November. By resigning now before the Constitutional Court's ruling, she retains her future options. Abhisit is actually providing her with not only a path out of the current dilemma, but a chance for a future PM bid. This is really an enormous gift for Pheu Thai, though they - and their supporters - are too blinded by hate to see it. If the Constitutional Court removes her from her position, her future as PM is finished. If the Constitutional Court removes her cabinet, the Pheu Thai administration is finished. Life would therefore look very different after such a ruling than before. Abhisit explicitly says that Pheu Thai will be happy with the election six months from now. He says that because he knows, Pheu Thai knows, Pheu Thai supporters know, and most everyone else concedes - that the next administration would likely be a Pheu Thai administration. What else is offered here ? Abhisit would step down. That is something Pheu Thai have wanted for ages. The Democratic party would contest the election. That is also something Pheu Thai has wanted, because it means that a quorum for a Pheu Thai administration would be enabled. Pheu Thai gets all of that. And yet still they sling verbal hate at Abhisit - without discussing any - any - of his ideas. Pheu Thai are throwing out an enormous opportunity here - for themselves. The concession that Abhisit suggests are a six month voluntary abdication from power. In actual fact, Pheu Thai are already without power because they do not have a parliamentary quorum. They can't do anything. Is that so big a concession ? Abhisit's proposal includes no wish to ban the Shinawatra family from prime ministerial office. Does Pheu Thai realize how difficult it will be for Democrats to swallow that ? Have they any conception ? Also part of Abhisit's plan is that there would be no laws enacted in the next six months - because there is no parliamentary quorum. Does Pheu Thai realize how far this is from Suthep's wild proposal ? Those who say that Abhisit and Suthep are joined at the hip are flying in the face of logic over this profound difference.

The concession - and this is the part that Thaksin won't like - and the reason why this outreach will be scuttled - is that the reform process during the next six months would likely include provisions that would make it illegally impossible to yield the kind of influence Thaksin has been practicing. Therefore - like the amnesty bill - everything will be funneled through the wishes of what Thaksin wants, and will be rejected as such. In the meantime, Pheu Thai will never see an offer this good. Ever. They have decided - which means that Thaksin has decided - to let the conflict and divisions escalate. But what Thaksin, Pheu Thai, and their supporters don't realize - is that that will yield them nothing of what they want. But they will still manage to take everyone else down with them in the process.

how is it 'reasonable' to include the PDRC but not the government side? it's moronic and doomed to failure (as is Abhisit/Suthep)

the judicial coup will force Yingluck out but Thais will be furious and it solves NOTHING

Does the proposal stipulate that either government/PTP/UDD is barred from the decision making process regarding reforms?

It does seem unclear who will participate and who will have a say, but did not notice in includes an direct exclusion.

3) The National Reform Network and the People's Democratic Reform Committee must draft a master plan of reforms within 30 days.

​where are they mentioned? if this was TRULY a serious attempt why not bring all sides??? why include the UNELECTED PDRC but not the elected government?

it's a farce encased in a pathetic trickery

The proposal is certainly not clear.

But it does not actively state anywhere that the government/PTP/UDD are barred from the decision making process.

I have no idea what Abhisit had in mind on this front, but I seriously doubt he imagines that a reform proposal solely sponsored by the PDRC would have any chance of being accepted. Therefore, perhaps a different way to read this is that the PDRC better get a move on and make clear what they been talking about the past six months, so it could be taken into account.

The PDRC is not elected, but does get sizable support, in the same way that the UDD does. I would think that if partisan bodies were to be represented at the reform forum, both should be there.

[wolf5370]

Why not hand the power to a group of dangerous, corrupt fascists that have strangled the country for the past 6 months because the poor little things could never be voted into power democratically.

You've been reading too many comic books. PTP strangled the country over the last 3 years before your FASCISTS existed.

It seems you don't have any clue about business and economy.

Thailand economy was quite stable during the last 3 year and investors did like the politic stability and so invested huge amount in the industry .

NOW since YOUR fascist is bringing the politics down and is advocating dictatorship, the investors are pulling back and economy is falling fast.

So if if one is reading comic books it must be you !

This is the point of political protest - to put pressure on the government. The same way it was in 2006 - or does that make the Red Shorts facists too? To me it is the opposite - it is what democracy is all about. The ability to stand up against a bad government - the numbers of supporters will determine the success or failure. During "good times" (economy wise) people ignore corruption unless it is blatant and overt - when the pressure is on, and the economy is straining, then corruption and poor policy light up like a billboard - the economy will recover after, Thailand is a producer, it has goods, produce, resources and cheap labour to sell - this is why hitting the countries finances as a way of protest is a good option for protestors. The alternative is armed revolt - nothing anyone would want.

No one is advocating dictatorship - neither side - all sides want a democracy, but one in which they can prosper and that is not too geared to the opposition - the attempts to do this was the cause of the protests well before Suthep or the Dems even joined the fray. Everything else is just hogwash, hyperbole and propaganda - twisting words, and sentiment to scare the children - nothing more.

[Bakseeda]

some of you arm chair critics should learn how to read before posting your nonsense, and also if you don't like what Abhisit saying then why don't you offer your own solution to the current impass (and it is not an election) this country is slowly going down the shitter at the hands of PTP with their corruption - lies - theft - blatant stupidity - and incompetency that has no rival in the world today.

This proposal by Abhisit is actually quite reasonable and probably the best solution yet to the current political impass which whether you like it or not does exist and no amount of elections will solve it - it is similar to what the president of the BOT said during a recent interview

An election right now without changes is not the answer - why is PTP not taking the initiative on this they may actually gain some credit if they did - oh yeh I forgot - they are too busy extorting billions of baht from the good people of Thailand to care

To be fair amongst all the fan fair prior to the proposal being put out there surely even you were expecting something a little more detailed and believable? Anyone of us if asked to jot down a funny proposal could have come up with that in 5 mins on the back of a fag pack!

I do not have answers to the problems, but as the proposal suggests for the PM to step down, and then the PDRC to oversee reforms, are quite clearly an unconstitutional and not serious proposal.They know full well this would be roundly laughed at. (well at least i hope they did- they cannot be that far out of touch from reality)

I would like to think that the way out would be for the army to read them the ultimate riot act. ie.Sought the shit out within 6 months or we will remove all of them for good. Obviously more detailed than that, but you can see the picture.

I am not against reform, and not really against reform before an election, but it is just impossible to see how it can be done, who can do it etc, and no one has even put up a realistic non partisan idea.

Smutcakes.... invite Mango Bob.... I'm sure the 2 of you guys will have fun with the pack of fags...

[GeckosDiving]

Oh ya the red buffalo's are out today

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[casualbiker]

However, he said that the Pheu Thai Party would announce whether or not it would take Mr. Abhisit’s advice after a thorough study.

Even if it looks like PTP are warming to the idea, one quick Skype call from Dubai will change their minds.

That MAY have happened already hence the warming.

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[binjalin]

The proposal is certainly not clear.

But it does not actively state anywhere that the government/PTP/UDD are barred from the decision making process.

I have no idea what Abhisit had in mind on this front, but I seriously doubt he imagines that a reform proposal solely sponsored by the PDRC would have any chance of being accepted. Therefore, perhaps a different way to read this is that the PDRC better get a move on and make clear what they been talking about the past six months, so it could be taken into account.

The PDRC is not elected, but does get sizable support, in the same way that the UDD does. I would think that if partisan bodies were to be represented at the reform forum, both should be there.

I guess what I'm saying is that the PDRC are ACTIVELY mentioned and so everyone can see the bias

any 'neutral' proposal would be drafted carefully to include ALL

[ginjag]

PM asked to step down

Chanon Wongsatayanont,

Kornchanok Raksaseri

The Sunday Nation

BANGKOK: -- Abhisit urges Yingluck, Cabinet to quit before court verdict; outlines proposal

Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva, unveiling his plan to bring the country out of the political impasse, yesterday asked Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and her Cabinet to resign before a Constitutional Court ruling.

The first of the 10 steps proposed in his plan is that the election tentatively set for July 20 must be delayed.

"All Yingluck has to answer is whether she can step back from power for five to six months," Abhisit said, referring to the time before the next election would take place.

The Cabinet's resignation would pave the way for an unelected interim government to be in charge while civil society, including the Reform Now Network and the People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), jointly work on guidelines and the plan for national reforms.

The interim government would run the country and solve immediate problems but would not have a mandate to pass laws because there would be no elected House of Representa-tives. During this period, no politicians would be involved in either the reform council or the country's administration, Abhisit said.

In the meantime, the Election Commission (EC) would work on amending related laws and regulations to make the election free and fair, he said. It might include regulations on election campaigns, dealing with electoral fraud and breaking election campaign promises.

In doing this, political parties that run in the next poll must agree to push for upcoming national reforms.

Only after a referendum on the reforms would an election to select another interim government be held, according to his plan. With a House of Representatives elected, laws could be amended to implement the reforms, as approved by the referendum. However, the interim government's term would last only for a year.

Abhisit said he would submit his details of his proposal to Yingluck and PDRC leader Suthep Thaug-suban on Tuesday.

He wanted an answer from Yingluck before the Constitutional Court delivers its ruling on her status in relation to the transfer of National Security Council chief Thawil Pliensri.

"If the government announces an election [by issuing the Royal Decree for the election on July 20], I will take that as the answer [for no].

"But if the government sees this plan as interesting - not necessarily accepting it - it must come and make it happen," he said.

"The main principle to get the new government to replace the current one is that it must be a government that comes from the consent [of the people involved], not being forced by the situation or anything."

Earlier, Abhisit announced that he would not take part in the next election if his plan was accepted, but his party would cooperate by running in the poll.

"If the government doesn't accept, the same thing will continue. No one can answer what will happen next," he said.

A Democrat spokesman said previously that the party may boycott the election if Abhisit's proposal was not accepted.

Abhisit insisted that his plan was completely legal. It upheld the Constitution and democratic principles.

He said his plan was different from the PDRC's reform proposal in that the unelected interim government would have no authority to amend laws as that mandate belonged only to the elected House of Representatives, while the PDRC's People's Council would be a legislative organisation.

He did not elaborate on how the unelected interim government would be set up, only saying that it would be under the mandate of the Senate Speaker, the head of the remaining legislative institution at the moment.

He said the red shirts would not lose anything except the Yingluck government having to take a break before the next election.

As Thai citizens, they could also take part in filing opinions for national reform.

"I'm aware that not everyone will be happy with this proposal, but I think it will satisfy all sides to a degree," Abhisit said.

He believes that the government will be satisfied with the eventual election and the PDRC will be happy with the opportunity to reform.

-- The Nation 2014-05-04

He was the head of government and did nothing. What's changed now

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Talking from the rear end, was you here ??? did you see what he was doing ??? you don't want to know or you would find out before letting your daft out.

[ginjag]

The proposal is certainly not clear.

But it does not actively state anywhere that the government/PTP/UDD are barred from the decision making process.

I have no idea what Abhisit had in mind on this front, but I seriously doubt he imagines that a reform proposal solely sponsored by the PDRC would have any chance of being accepted. Therefore, perhaps a different way to read this is that the PDRC better get a move on and make clear what they been talking about the past six months, so it could be taken into account.

The PDRC is not elected, but does get sizable support, in the same way that the UDD does. I would think that if partisan bodies were to be represented at the reform forum, both should be there.

I guess what I'm saying is that the PDRC are ACTIVELY mentioned and so everyone can see the bias

any 'neutral' proposal would be drafted carefully to include ALL

Hey how do you know anything about being neutral???

[gabruce]

some of you arm chair critics should learn how to read before posting your nonsense, and also if you don't like what Abhisit saying then why don't you offer your own solution to the current impass (and it is not an election) this country is slowly going down the shitter at the hands of PTP with their corruption - lies - theft - blatant stupidity - and incompetency that has no rival in the world today.

This proposal by Abhisit is actually quite reasonable and probably the best solution yet to the current political impass which whether you like it or not does exist and no amount of elections will solve it - it is similar to what the president of the BOT said during a recent interview

An election right now without changes is not the answer - why is PTP not taking the initiative on this they may actually gain some credit if they did - oh yeh I forgot - they are too busy extorting billions of baht from the good people of Thailand to care

To be fair amongst all the fan fair prior to the proposal being put out there surely even you were expecting something a little more detailed and believable? Anyone of us if asked to jot down a funny proposal could have come up with that in 5 mins on the back of a fag pack!

I do not have answers to the problems, but as the proposal suggests for the PM to step down, and then the PDRC to oversee reforms, are quite clearly an unconstitutional and not serious proposal.They know full well this would be roundly laughed at. (well at least i hope they did- they cannot be that far out of touch from reality)

I would like to think that the way out would be for the army to read them the ultimate riot act. ie.Sought the shit out within 6 months or we will remove all of them for good. Obviously more detailed than that, but you can see the picture.

I am not against reform, and not really against reform before an election, but it is just impossible to see how it can be done, who can do it etc, and no one has even put up a realistic non partisan idea.

What's unconstitutional about having a non-governmental body write a reform proposal? Nothing!

I don't know if a referendum is constitutional in Thailand, and if so, what body has the power to propose one. The Abhisit plan doesn't say who would start the referendum, but I think it would be the EC that would conduct the referendum.

We will never see the PTP step down from their caretaker role, maybe not even if they lost an election.

[gabruce]

some of you arm chair critics should learn how to read before posting your nonsense, and also if you don't like what Abhisit saying then why don't you offer your own solution to the current impass (and it is not an election) this country is slowly going down the shitter at the hands of PTP with their corruption - lies - theft - blatant stupidity - and incompetency that has no rival in the world today.

This proposal by Abhisit is actually quite reasonable and probably the best solution yet to the current political impass which whether you like it or not does exist and no amount of elections will solve it - it is similar to what the president of the BOT said during a recent interview

An election right now without changes is not the answer - why is PTP not taking the initiative on this they may actually gain some credit if they did - oh yeh I forgot - they are too busy extorting billions of baht from the good people of Thailand to care

To be fair amongst all the fan fair prior to the proposal being put out there surely even you were expecting something a little more detailed and believable? Anyone of us if asked to jot down a funny proposal could have come up with that in 5 mins on the back of a fag pack!

I do not have answers to the problems, but as the proposal suggests for the PM to step down, and then the PDRC to oversee reforms, are quite clearly an unconstitutional and not serious proposal.They know full well this would be roundly laughed at. (well at least i hope they did- they cannot be that far out of touch from reality)

I would like to think that the way out would be for the army to read them the ultimate riot act. ie.Sought the shit out within 6 months or we will remove all of them for good. Obviously more detailed than that, but you can see the picture.

I am not against reform, and not really against reform before an election, but it is just impossible to see how it can be done, who can do it etc, and no one has even put up a realistic non partisan idea.

Smutcakes.... invite Mango Bob.... I'm sure the 2 of you guys will have fun with the pack of fags...

Are you stoned or something? What does this topic have to do with cigarettes? I realize that you seem to be trying to insult them, however that's also not appropriate, even if I don't get it. Please do try to be civil and polite.

[bkkgooner]

The plan doesn't seem the worst in the world so long as the PT have a say in the reform process and also involved in deciding who will be in charge of the interim government

The leaders have to be united in order for it to happen and it is something that would move Thailand forward a huge step, the election on July 20 is just nonsense again as the Democrats won't contest it and the same nonsense will happen again

[Publicus]

Abhisit, back to his usual tricks, has just cemented his place as the worst opposition leader in Thai political history.

...and there you have it folks, history has just been rewritten by the most respected political commentator in the country.

I see however Abhisit still can't stop destroying himself because now he's trying blackmail, fear, outright threats.

Wut? Where in the OP does he attempt blackmail, instil fear or threaten? Beelocks!

In the OP and in Abhisit's announcement yesterday of his sincerely bogus plan AV has done all three and more, I simply mentioned three genuinely duplicitous laughers he drolled off his lips...

In AV's statement yesterday AV said there would be no coup if the government stepped down by resigning. This implies Abhisit has specific knowledge in this regard especially since the supreme commander of the armed forces was one of the people AV met with the past week to discuss his proposals. The supreme commander has remained silent which in Thailand means not to sit with your back to the door and not to bend over if you drop anything.

Abhisit said if the government doesn't resign the same situation would continue, which is hardly the government's fault to begin with and has been as much Abhisit's creation as anyone else.

The PDRC and the RNN have not accepted AV's bogus proposals yet AV's scheme would turn the country over to them and to the Senate leaders rather than directly or immediately to the voters to make their sovereign decision. AV needs first to get the agreement of these two groups, the cave man PDRC especially, before pressuring the government to resign.

AV is trying to take the pressure off the judges by seeking to force the government out of office prior to the rulings of both the CC and the NACC. Abhisit at least knows a case of cold feet in the judiciary when he sees one, and he is well aware of the immediate consequences of an impending judicial coup d'état.

And here's the kicker - the resignation of the government will only mean YL and Thai voters will not lose anything except "having to take a break before the next election". The next election YL will be a grandmother three times over and AV will be gazing into the mirror still wearing his white uniform with the gold shoulder boards of prime minister-for-life..

Next AV will start selling prime properties at a special price for you today only in Dubai.